Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by reelman
Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by reelman
So if you wouldn't use a gun for self defense that wouldn't reliably kill a deer what are you carrying? A 44Mag, 500S&W, 460S&W? Because you beloved 45acp or 357 is not exactly a deer killer and in the hunting word they would both be considered the bare minimum.



This is total and complete BS. If you think that with the correct bullets that a 45 ACP and a 357 is not adequate for deer then you or sadly mistaken. I have taken a few deer and a lot of hogs with the 357 mag and the 45 ACP and every one that I killed thought they were perfectly adequate



BULL! They may kill a deer or hog at close range but they are the bare minimum for deer sized game. Standard rule of thumb is 1000 ft/lbs for deer and neither of those comes close. People have killed deer with 22lr's but I wouldn't call them adequate for deer would you? It seems when it comes to hogs people pull out all kinds of odd stuff to shoot them with that they wouldn't consider to shoot a deer with and that aren't even legal to shoot a deer with in a lot of states.


More BS you nor anyone else can rate lethality with FPE complete and utter nonsense


This is the exit of a 300 win mag in a bull elks rib cage the 180 grain bullet impacted with about 2600 FPS impact velocity which calculates to 2700 FPE

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This is the exit in the same elk's rib cage of a 440 grain flat point hard cast bullet at 950 FPS muzzle velocity which calculates to 888 FPE

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The the 300 win had 1812 FP more energy yet produced the smaller wound channel

So much for needing X amount of energy


I can assure you from experience the a proper bullet through the rib cage of a deer from a 45 ACP makes the lungs into jell-o and if one did not know better would swear that the damage was caused be a 30-06



Was there some ballistic geliten in that elk that you could see the wound channel or are you just going by the hole? Pushing a 2x4 through it's lungs will make a bigger hole than the 300 but have a much smaller wound channel.