On another Note,Last night i was watching 3 real nice bucks all over 160 b&c and in walks this little buck with a pot belly and crappy antlers, went to water and then was just standing around, watched him for about 20 min. decided to take him off, just before last light, brought him in and he was a 8 1/2 yr old ,no teeth left, scored him 84" b&c. never know what you will see around here. rio7