Originally Posted by antlers
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin

Yeah, that hoary old quote again. Nice rhetoric and of meaning in the broader strokes (to which it is attributed) but are you gonna tell me old Ben NEVER obeyed the king's law when he felt it ran against his natural rights? Ben was a pragmatist par excellence in accomplishing his goals - why he was the toast of the courts of Europe in lobbying on behalf of the colonies.


The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh

Which explains a lot.