If I'm i bear country, I'd load extreme penetrators in a glock 19 with a +3 mag extension and have 19 rounds of deep penetrating ammo

For people though, the federal HST tests so damn good in every single test I've seen in 9mm, I just can tjustify these bullets for the 9mm or anything above it

In 380 they do intrigue me for my glock 42. THE extreme defenDer IL would be my choice there

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered."
― George Orwell, 1984