Oldelkhunter, I would also prefer a bold #4 (like Meopta’s) over the Forceplex. But I think they can do better than that. Give me 95% of the dark timber capability of the #4 and some windage reference, 4-5 MOA max, and I’ll be very happy.

George, I agree with you on nearly all accounts. I will say that I have found the SHV on my 84M to be a very nice combination (reticle aside). Certainly not as light as all the other scopes I’ve run on it, but the overall package feels surprisingly good. Mine is 6lb 9oz with SHV. With a few other scopes it was right at 6lb. Would I prefer if the scope was 12-15oz, yes, but I can live with it in that instance. My real issue with weight comes when putting the SHV on a rifle that isn’t as light to start, such as my walnut stocked Fieldcraft. That rifle feels better with a lighter scope than with the SHV.