And again, like your understanding of me disrespecting Chris kyle, at common hunting ranges, I'd rather have a 6.5 135 combo than any .284.... Savvy???? Is that clear??? Comprende??? Remember the last elk i killed, 3 months ago, was a 80 grain ballistic tip, know guides want flat landers to think elk are bullet proof, but that's what I did..... Fairly fuuckin simple process really....