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Christians didn't kill Christ, God the Father willingly sent him to die on a cross because of his love for us.

Please explain how sending your only son to his death is a sign of love?
Dude, you're using up my bandwidth. I'll give you the verse again...

John 3:16 For God so LOVED the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And this,
Romans 5:8-10
But God demonstrates his own LOVE for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

Why the need for the blood, torture, and human sacrifice?

If He's God he could skip all of that a move straight to Grace.


So the most innocent one could suffer the ultimate pain and disgrace so that HIS suffering and blood could atone for your sins and shortcomings. There was a price to be paid for your salvation to be avaliable, whether you reject it or not.

HE suffered and died knowing many would not appreciate His greatest efforts in order to give them the greatest gift of all. HIS blood was so clean it could wash away your most evil transgressions if you only asked.

Should he have given HIS blood to any for free? HIS cleansing blood was the most precious in the world and HE only asked you a pittance for it.
It wasn't nearly as much suffering for Jesus as it would be for a normal person. He had full knowledge that it wasn't really the end for him and that he was merely passing from one place to another. In the new place he would be worshipped, respected for evermore. Sure, there was some temporary pain, but he knew he would transcend all that.

Completely wrong. Jesus suffered even more than anyone realizes. God left him while he was suffering on the cross. At his worst moment he had no comfort, no assurance, because God had forsaken him completely. According to Jewish writers of that period, Jesus was beaten to the point where it was impossible to tell if there was even a human hanging on the cross. At his worst moment, he did not have the comfort of knowing he was rising again.His God, his father, and all hope had left him.

Last edited by RHClark; 03/13/24.