I was just eating lunch and seen a commercial asking for donations for holocaust survivors . Now I'm not trying to be a dick but aren't they taken care of by several government programs from several countries ?
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
Then you think all those photo's of dead people lying there ready to be put in the furnaces along with the boxes of gold dentures are fake? You are saying that everyone that survived from those specific camps were just making the whole thing up? That guards trying to save their lives after the war were making up those stories to make themselves look better? Sorry...it happened. Maybe not the numbers they claim since it is reported that there were not six million Jews in Europe at the time. But it was horrible... and it sadly did happen.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
Then you think all those photo's of dead people lying there ready to be put in the furnaces along with the boxes of gold dentures are fake? You are saying that everyone that survived from those specific camps were just making the whole thing up? That guards trying to save their lives after the war were making up those stories to make themselves look better? Sorry...it happened. Maybe not the numbers they claim since it is reported that there were not six million Jews in Europe at the time. But it was horrible... and it sadly did happen.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
Then you think all those photo's of dead people lying there ready to be put in the furnaces along with the boxes of gold dentures are fake? You are saying that everyone that survived from those specific camps were just making the whole thing up? That guards trying to save their lives after the war were making up those stories to make themselves look better? Sorry...it happened. Maybe not the numbers they claim since it is reported that there were not six million Jews in Europe at the time. But it was horrible... and it sadly did happen.
...Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
And you are the biggest anti-Semite on this site. You are so full of scheit.
Eisenhower specifically ordered photographs, videos, and interviews be done because, he said, there will be people in the future who will deny this ever happened.
Your irrational, unbridled hatred for Jews is disgusting and repugnant.
As to the number of Jews in Europe at the time, there were also non-European Jews there who had fled the Soviet Union after the rise of Communism, and yes, there were that many. The Nazi's own records puts them at that number, not some made-up Soviet construct.
Learn your history from some other source, because the ones you are referencing are nothing but racist propaganda.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
Then you think all those photo's of dead people lying there ready to be put in the furnaces along with the boxes of gold dentures are fake? You are saying that everyone that survived from those specific camps were just making the whole thing up? That guards trying to save their lives after the war were making up those stories to make themselves look better? Sorry...it happened. Maybe not the numbers they claim since it is reported that there were not six million Jews in Europe at the time. But it was horrible... and it sadly did happen.
People died in huge numbers. The war was a horrible thing. Jews died in large numbers in the camps, as did other people, particularly in the last months. But there was no extermination program. In fact, there was a camp commandant who was hanged during the war, by the German military, for murdering two Jews in his camp. If the camps' purposes were extermination of the Jews, that makes no sense.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
Then you think all those photo's of dead people lying there ready to be put in the furnaces along with the boxes of gold dentures are fake? You are saying that everyone that survived from those specific camps were just making the whole thing up? That guards trying to save their lives after the war were making up those stories to make themselves look better? Sorry...it happened. Maybe not the numbers they claim since it is reported that there were not six million Jews in Europe at the time. But it was horrible... and it sadly did happen.
Germany Austria Belgium Romania Switzerland Holland Italy Czechoslovakia Hungary France USSR Latvia Lithuania Slovakia Greece Belgium Bulgaria Finland Norway Estonia Luxemburg 5,962,129 Killed 3,546,211 Survivors The entire population of 3.3 million Polish Jews was wiped out. 90% killed. The rest deported or escaped.
[quote=ro1459][quote=The_Real_Hawkeye] People died in huge numbers. The war was a horrible thing. Jews died in large numbers in the camps, as did other people. But there was no extermination program. In fact, there was a camp commandant who was hanged during the war, by the German military, for murdering two Jews in his camp. If the camps' purposes were extermination of the Jews, that makes no sense.
[quote=ro1459][quote=The_Real_Hawkeye] People died in huge numbers. The war was a horrible thing. Jews died in large numbers in the camps, as did other people. But there was no extermination program. In fact, there was a camp commandant who was hanged during the war, by the German military, for murdering two Jews in his camp. If the camps' purposes were extermination of the Jews, that makes no sense.
PS Show me one actual extermination gas chamber.
You are a FPHUCKING MORON!
If I were to question particulars regarding the deaths of ethnic Russians during Bolshevik rule, would you be as enraged? What about if I were to question particulars regarding the deaths of Christian Armenians during the rule of the Young Turks over European Turkey?
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
Then you think all those photo's of dead people lying there ready to be put in the furnaces along with the boxes of gold dentures are fake? You are saying that everyone that survived from those specific camps were just making the whole thing up? That guards trying to save their lives after the war were making up those stories to make themselves look better? Sorry...it happened. Maybe not the numbers they claim since it is reported that there were not six million Jews in Europe at the time. But it was horrible... and it sadly did happen.
Germany Austria Belgium Romania Switzerland Holland Italy Czechoslovakia Hungary France USSR Latvia Lithuania Slovakia Greece Belgium Bulgaria Finland Norway Estonia Luxemburg 5,962,129 Killed 3,546,211 Survivors The entire population of 3.3 million Polish Jews was wiped out. 90% killed. The rest deported or escaped.
By Allan Hall In Berlin for MailOnline Published: 05:02 EST, 17 January 2018 German prosecutors today said an 11th hour plea for clemency by a former SS guard dubbed the Bookkeeper of Auschwitz has failed and that he is headed to jail. Oskar Groening, 94, had been fighting against his four-year sentence for being an accessory to the murder of 300,000 camp detainees on the ground that he was too unwell to serve it. But prosecutors in Luneburg now say his last appeal for clemency has failed and they expect him to be behind bars by the end of January. He was first sentenced in July 2015 for his part in running the death camp, where he was involved collating and shipping back to Berlin the possessions of the dead. Groening never denied being at Auschwitz in Nazi occupied Poland and admitted it was an extermination centre where inmates were not expected to survive. In 1942, when he was 21, Groening was sent to Auschwitz. He saw the horrors that took place there almost immediately. 'I was standing at the ramp,' he says, 'and my task was to be part of the group supervising the luggage from an incoming transport. 'Sick people were lifted on to lorries. Red Cross lorries—they always tried to create the impression that people had nothing to fear. ... 'It was completely understood by all that the majority were going straight to the gas chamber, although some believed they were only going to be showered before going to work. Many Jews knew they were going to die. 'On one night in January 1943 I saw for the first time how the Jews were actually gassed. It was in a half-built farmyard near to the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp. 'A gas chamber was built there. We were searching the wood nearby for prisoners who had escaped. 'There were more than 100 prisoners and soon there were panic-filled cries as they were herded into the chamber and the door was shut. 'Then a sergeant with a gas mask went to a hole in the wall and from a tin shook Zyklon B gas pellets inside. In that moment the cries of the people inside rose to a crescendo, a choir of madness. 'These cries I have ringing in my ears to this day. This guilt will never leave me. I can only plead for forgiveness and pray for atonement.'
there were also non-European Jews there who had fled the Soviet Union after the rise of Communism,
?? That would be like Mexicans fleeing Mexico because of the rise of Burritos.
When the Soviets started cracking down on all religions and either executing them or sending them to the labor camps in Siberia, many Jews, as well as Christians, fled the Soviet Union. There were many Jews who were Communists and spread that plague throughout the rest of the world, including the new Israel when it was formed.
August 30, 2010 How many of the Nazi gas chambers are still in existence? Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: Auschwitz, Dachau, gas chambers, Hartheim Castle, Majdanek, Mauthausen, Sachsenhausen — furtherglory @ 7:34 am This morning I read on a blog that there are only four Nazi gas chambers still in existence in all of Europe. It took me a minute to think of which four gas chambers, to which this blogger might be referring. It is universally accepted by Holocaust historians that there were six extermination camps where Jews were gassed during the Holocaust: Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka. The gas chambers at Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were destroyed more than 65 years ago and nothing remains of them. Three of the four gas chambers at Birkenau were destroyed by the Nazis in January 1945 and one was destroyed by the prisoners in October 1944. There were also gas chambers at Mauthausen, Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrück and Stutthof. The original gas chambers at Mauthausen, Dachau and Stutthof are still there, as are the gas chambers in Building No. 41 at Majdanek. There are also reconstructed gas chambers at Majdanek and the main Auschwitz camp. One of the euthanasia gas chambers, the one at Hartheim Castle, was also used to gas concentration camp prisoners from Dachau and Mauthausen. There is a building located about a mile from the Natzweiler camp, which is alleged to have been a gas chamber where 86 Jews from Auschwitz were brought to be killed; you can read about it on another blog post that I wrote. I have visited and photographed five of the remaining gas chambers in Europe: Auschwitz, Majdanek, Dachau, Mauthausen and Hartheim. I also visited the site of “the little white house” which was used at Birkenau before the four large gas chambers were built. The location of “the little red house,” which was the first gas chamber at Birkenau, is unknown.
...If I were to question particulars regarding the deaths of ethnic Russians during Bolshevik rule, would you be as enraged? What about if I were to question particulars regarding the deaths of Christian Armenians during the rule of the Young Turks over European Turkey?
Diversion, instead of reasoned response. The favorite tactic of the indefensible position, often favored by fascists and communists.
August 30, 2010 How many of the Nazi gas chambers are still in existence? Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: Auschwitz, Dachau, gas chambers, Hartheim Castle, Majdanek, Mauthausen, Sachsenhausen — furtherglory @ 7:34 am This morning I read on a blog that there are only four Nazi gas chambers still in existence in all of Europe. It took me a minute to think of which four gas chambers, to which this blogger might be referring. It is universally accepted by Holocaust historians that there were six extermination camps where Jews were gassed during the Holocaust: Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka. The gas chambers at Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were destroyed more than 65 years ago and nothing remains of them. Three of the four gas chambers at Birkenau were destroyed by the Nazis in January 1945 and one was destroyed by the prisoners in October 1944. There were also gas chambers at Mauthausen, Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrück and Stutthof. The original gas chambers at Mauthausen, Dachau and Stutthof are still there, as are the gas chambers in Building No. 41 at Majdanek. There are also reconstructed gas chambers at Majdanek and the main Auschwitz camp. One of the euthanasia gas chambers, the one at Hartheim Castle, was also used to gas concentration camp prisoners from Dachau and Mauthausen. There is a building located about a mile from the Natzweiler camp, which is alleged to have been a gas chamber where 86 Jews from Auschwitz were brought to be killed; you can read about it on another blog post that I wrote. I have visited and photographed five of the remaining gas chambers in Europe: Auschwitz, Majdanek, Dachau, Mauthausen and Hartheim. I also visited the site of “the little white house” which was used at Birkenau before the four large gas chambers were built. The location of “the little red house,” which was the first gas chamber at Birkenau, is unknown.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
You are the sorriest piece of excrement I have seen in a long while. Where the fugg do you get stupid damn nonsense like this??? What the fugg causes you to make this shidt up???
Crawl back under rock you crawled out from under and don't come back out.
I grew up with friend (older friends) with numbers on their arms. I had family members who were there when they liberated the camps. Every time you repeat the lies you should be beaten almost but not quite to death. The utter depravity should be visited upon your sorry ass until such time as you at the least learn that it is not a good thing to be making that shidt up. At that time execution for such a sorry ass crime should be administered in the same fashion as the worst of those experienced by the victims of the camps. JESUS! What the fugg is the matter between your ears!!!
Eisenhower had real forethought. When he saw his 1st death camp, he knew in an instant that deniers would be along shortly. He requested that Washington & London send large numbers of reporters to see them. He marched allied soldiers through them. He marched German citizens through them. He wanted as many witnesses that he could find to what had happened. He was sure right about the deniers.
I just came back inside from my yard. The ground and grass is bone dry. So naturally, the only logical explanation I can come up with is that it has never rained on my place.... How weird is that?
...Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
And you are the biggest anti-Semite on this site. You are so full of scheit.
Eisenhower specifically ordered photographs, videos, and interviews be done because, he said, there will be people in the future who will deny this ever happened.
Your irrational, unbridled hatred for Jews is disgusting and repugnant.
As to the number of Jews in Europe at the time, there were also non-European Jews there who had fled the Soviet Union after the rise of Communism, and yes, there were that many. The Nazi's own records puts them at that number, not some made-up Soviet construct.
Learn your history from some other source, because the ones you are referencing are nothing but racist propaganda.
Ed
This is the guy who you are trying to talk to...lots of luck....
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye #9053788 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.
Eisenhower had real forethought. When he saw his 1st death camp, he knew in an instant that deniers would be along shortly. He requested that Washington & London send large numbers of reporters to see them. He marched allied soldiers through them. He marched German citizens through them. He wanted as many witnesses that he could find to what had happened. He was sure right about the deniers.
Denier of what? I don't think there's anyone who denies massive deaths in the camps, with tons of emaciated and sick survivors, along with piles of emaciated corpses, a la Andersonville or Belle Isle. Many, however, are still waiting for a shred of evidence of a national policy of extermination. German military personnel didn't do anything without orders coming down to them along the proper chain of command. This being the case, there should be a huge paper trail. But there is not only not a huge paper trail, but there's also not a shred of evidence of any such orders running down the chain of command to anyone regarding an extermination program.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
Then you think all those photo's of dead people lying there ready to be put in the furnaces along with the boxes of gold dentures are fake? You are saying that everyone that survived from those specific camps were just making the whole thing up? That guards trying to save their lives after the war were making up those stories to make themselves look better? Sorry...it happened. Maybe not the numbers they claim since it is reported that there were not six million Jews in Europe at the time. But it was horrible... and it sadly did happen.
People died in huge numbers. The war was a horrible thing. Jews died in large numbers in the camps, as did other people, particularly in the last months. But there was no extermination program. In fact, there was a camp commandant who was hanged during the war, by the German military, for murdering two Jews in his camp. If the camps' purposes were extermination of the Jews, that makes no sense.
PS Show me one actual extermination gas chamber.
Your level of hate and dumfukitude knows no boundaries. When you say stuff like this, you even manage to make Steelhead look civilized, How can you possibly believe this crap?
Every time this maggot posts on any thread on any of the forums I will post for this piece of shidt to crawl back under his rock and derail the entire thread until he is gone.
There is no place among honorable men for him.
Rick, It is time to ban this piece of trash before he goes any further.
...Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
And you are the biggest anti-Semite on this site. You are so full of scheit.
Eisenhower specifically ordered photographs, videos, and interviews be done because, he said, there will be people in the future who will deny this ever happened.
Your irrational, unbridled hatred for Jews is disgusting and repugnant.
As to the number of Jews in Europe at the time, there were also non-European Jews there who had fled the Soviet Union after the rise of Communism, and yes, there were that many. The Nazi's own records puts them at that number, not some made-up Soviet construct.
Learn your history from some other source, because the ones you are referencing are nothing but racist propaganda.
Ed
This is the guy who you are trying to talk to...lots of luck....
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye #9053788 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.
Like it or not, the Jews are STILL God's chosen people, for reasons known only to himself. They're his meat and to the rest of us, it's hands off. God will deal with them in his own time and own way. In the end, millions of Jews will wake up to who Jesus is.
In a former job where I was in contact with the public every day, I had the honor of meeting several Holocaust survivors. All were humble to a fault and sincerely grateful to be alive. Their outlook on life was contagious.
None of them ever presented themselves as Holocaust survivors. I am an ardent student of history and knew all about the tatoos done in the camps. In every case, this is how I picked them out.
As we would ease into conversation about their business at hand I would, with the greatest sensitivity I could muster, express condolences for their experiences in the camps. All of them were surprised that I knew anything about the origin of the tatoos. I remember one gentleman asking me how I put 2 and 2 together with the tatoo and I joked with him that I didn't think he'd ever give himself that bad a marking.
I will always remember one particular diminuitive gentleman. I asked him what he thought enabled him to survive. He said he spoke German and was able to produce the accent associated with Bavaria. All the Nazis loved Bavaria. Hitler and his cronies built homes in Obersalzburg, Austria. So, they all had a strong desire of ascension in the ranks and to fit in.
Quite an interesting conversation. He also said that a strong poitive attitude and never giving up hope was required.
Wow, can’t believe people deny the murder of Jews.
I assume you're joking. Jews are murdered all the time, as are all sorts of people. The question at hand is whether "The Holocaust" occurred. "The Holocaust" refers to a program run by the German Government during the National Socialist regime, designed to exterminate the Jews, which program involved mass murder in gas chambers.
All sorts of people were horribly treated, by all sides, during the war, huge numbers of whom died, many of whom were intentionally murdered. No one denies this.
As to the massive paper trail, yes there was one and it still exists in the archives. How do you think so much evidence has been brought forth in not only the Nuremberg Trials, but subsequent trials of Nazis and their collaborators on and for the death camps?
You need to take your racist bullscheit somewhere else, Chris. You are an embarrassment to this site.
As well you should. There were lots of dead, emaciated, bodies all over the world during that time, particularly in connection with work camps, and particularly in the last months of the war.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
This is the guy who you are trying to talk to...lots of luck....
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye #9053788 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.
Bowsinger,
I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm under the impression TRH antisemitism stems from his religious belief "The Jew" murdered his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As a result, he's incapable of any rational thought as it relates to the Jewish people, even those living thousands of years after the alleged stories in his holy book.
Perhaps he's also a victim of unfortunate events in his own life for which he needs a scapegoat, regardless, this man's suffering from some serious psychological trauma, religious or otherwise, manifesting as his irrational antisemitic thoughts. In other words, he's damaged goods.
Let's face it, most of us have learned of the holocaust via history books in school that were published by Jewish publishing houses in New York. Believe what you want, but I think this whole thing, although atrocities did occured during ANY war, is to keep the money flowing.
Watch the video with an open mind. Actual photos, and presented by a Jew.
...I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm under the impression TRH antisemitism stems from his religious belief "The Jew" murdered his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As a result, he's incapable of any rational thought as it relates to the Jewish people, even those living thousands of years after the alleged stories in his holy book.
I guess Chris would completely lose his mind if he realized that Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ, was not only a Jew himself, but actually was a Jewish Theologian...
Matthew 5:17 " Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Let's face it, most of us have learned of the holocaust via history books in school that were published by Jewish publishing houses in New York. Believe what you want, but I think this whole thing, although atrocities did occured during ANY war, is to keep the money flowing.
Watch the video with an open mind. Actual photos, and presented by a Jew.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The body of evidence disputing claims of this nature is absolutely over whelming, and requires a special kind of person to ignore it.
Wow, can’t believe people deny the murder of Jews.
Wow is right.
On Oct 4 and 6 of 1943, Heinrich Himmler, in his two secret Posen speeches, talked about the Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews in concentration camps. He was actively involved in the Nazi final solution of the genocide of the Jews through mass murder but wanted the plan kept quiet.
Walter Reich wrote, "What better way to make the world safe again for antisemitism than by denying the Holocaust?"
Interesting that Holocaust denial is illegal in 17 countries.
Let's face it, most of us have learned of the holocaust via history books in school that were published by Jewish publishing houses in New York. Believe what you want, but I think this whole thing, although atrocities did occured during ANY war, is to keep the money flowing.
Watch the video with an open mind. Actual photos, and presented by a Jew.
And another racist piece of scheit crawls out of the sewer to spew his hatred. Go the phuque away, maggot
I have watched that video and it is a remarkably poor effort at "revisionist" propaganda. That guy puts forth so much crap that is speculation, innuendo, half-truths, outright lies, and ignorance it is almost laughable. His continuing referral to "many people" when trying to bolster his claims is the method of the fraud who wants the listener to believe something without proof or reason. The author of that piece calls himself an "Atheist Jew" and yet wears a Yarmulke, which is a mark of an Orthodox Jew. He is a fraud and so is his documentary.
I think it's time TRH gets Uberlanched. Enough, already.
My paternal grandparents were Jewish, from Ukraine. None of their relatives survived the Nazis, not one. When I was little, I really liked chess and there were some regulars downstairs in the park in Washington Heights. We would play. Some had these funny tats on their forearms. "Didja get that in the Navy, mister?" "Um, no, sonny." Oh, was THAT educational. Holy sh1+, people, nobody could make THAT stuff up!
I told my Grandpa what stories I was being told, he said never to mention that to my grandmother, but to pay attention. In retrospect, it would have been nice to have a Go-Pro and archive it all.
Hitler's own words............."Today I will once more be a prophet: if the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshivization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."
Let's face it, most of us have learned of the holocaust via history books in school that were published by Jewish publishing houses in New York. Believe what you want, but I think this whole thing, although atrocities did occured during ANY war, is to keep the money flowing.
Watch the video with an open mind. Actual photos, and presented by a Jew.
What a piece of propaganda... Nothing about his participation in war crimes during WWII, nothing about his (almost successful) attempt to destroy the British economy, nor his virulent support of Communist causes.
Who was the member on here 3-4 weeks ago beetching about the "crying jew" commercials are back on the air just in time for Christmas? Let's take the pitchforks to him too.
Somebody with a search tool. I would but Rick cockblocks me from my search tool.
Who was the member on here 3-4 weeks ago beetching about the "crying jew" commercials are back on the air just in time for Christmas? Let's take the pitchforks to him too.
Somebody with a search tool. I would but Rick cockblocks me from my search tool.
What a piece of propaganda... Nothing about his participation in war crimes during WWII, nothing about his (almost successful) attempt to destroy the British economy, nor his virulent support of Communist causes.
He and his sons are the biggest Bolsheviks alive.
Ed
Yeah,...he's "the one that got away".
,...but let's don't talk about that. People go apechit.
,...but let's don't talk about that. People go apechit.
For such an efficient people, they sure let a lot of them survive. In fact, the World Almanac recorded that the world population of Jews increased between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000.
Had extermination been the purpose of the German High Command, every Jew within its sphere of influence would have had a bullet in the head. No need for mass transport systems to centralized extermination facilities equipped with barracks, beds, theaters, swimming pools, sports fields, medical clinics, clothing fumigation facilities, etc., etc..
Let's face it, most of us have learned of the holocaust via history books in school that were published by Jewish publishing houses in New York. Believe what you want, but I think this whole thing, although atrocities did occured during ANY war, is to keep the money flowing.
Watch the video with an open mind. Actual photos, and presented by a Jew.
And another racist piece of scheit crawls out of the sewer to spew his hatred. Go the phuque away, maggot
I have watched that video and it is a remarkably poor effort at "revisionist" propaganda. That guy puts forth so much crap that is speculation, innuendo, half-truths, outright lies, and ignorance it is almost laughable. His continuing referral to "many people" when trying to bolster his claims is the method of the fraud who wants the listener to believe something without proof or reason. The author of that piece calls himself an "Atheist Jew" and yet wears a Yarmulke, which is a mark of an Orthodox Jew. He is a fraud and so is his documentary.
Ed
Hardly, I don't hate Jewish people, and have Jews within my family. But to ignore they are master manipulators of information, and control our media, financial institutions, and have DEEP influence on our politics really makes one wonder. I sure do see who is spewing the hate by your anger. Sound like a liberal who shouts NO and covers their eyes and ears.
Who was the member on here 3-4 weeks ago beetching about the "crying jew" commercials are back on the air just in time for Christmas? Let's take the pitchforks to him too.
Somebody with a search tool. I would but Rick cockblocks me from my search tool.
Does he do that?
I'm lucky to still have an active membership. I've been put on 40,000 second "time outs"
Been banished to the Winchester Forum for 30 days before.
Who was the member on here 3-4 weeks ago beetching about the "crying jew" commercials are back on the air just in time for Christmas? Let's take the pitchforks to him too.
Somebody with a search tool. I would but Rick cockblocks me from my search tool.
Does he do that?
I'm lucky to still have an active membership. I've been put on 40,000 second "time outs"
Been banished to the Winchester Forum for 30 days before.
No moderation my foot. Hahahah
My search function here stopped working a while ago. I assumed it was from the big change he made here at that time.
,...but let's don't talk about that. People go apechit.
For such an efficient people, they sure let a lot of them survive. In fact, the World Almanac recorded that the world population of Jews increased between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000.
Had extermination been the purpose of the German High Command, every Jew within its sphere of influence would have had a bullet in the head. No need for mass transport systems to centralized extermination facilities equipped with barracks, beds, theaters, swimming pools, sports fields, medical clinics, clothing fumigation facilities, etc., etc..
Extermination Camps with theaters, swimming pools, and sports fields? Where did you get this information from? Storm Front? If you believe that stuff I got some swamp land in Florida I need to sell.
...Sound like a liberal who shouts NO and covers their eyes and ears.
You have no clue how far I am from being a liberal, much less ignorant of the world. I have read your racist screed ever since you showed up here and despise racists, hence my show of disgust and revulsion.
I had seen, and watched, that particular video before. You see, I look at all sides, unlike some folks who only look at things that will bolster their own beliefs.
Your joining in this thread by way of introducing that video and telling folks to view it with an open mind is evidence of your acceptance of the matter being discussed.
In other words, you showed your hand as being just as prejudiced about Jews as you are about Blacks.
Who was the member on here 3-4 weeks ago beetching about the "crying jew" commercials are back on the air just in time for Christmas? Let's take the pitchforks to him too.
Somebody with a search tool. I would but Rick cockblocks me from my search tool.
Does he do that?
I'm lucky to still have an active membership. I've been put on 40,000 second "time outs"
Been banished to the Winchester Forum for 30 days before.
No moderation my foot. Hahahah
If he don't ban me soon I'm gonna start axin' fer a paycheck.
Hawk, you really have shown the members here what a hate filled flaming idiot you really are. It's time for you to leave and not come back. Sadly, Ric will leave you in here. What a shame that such a hate filled individual is allowed to make comments here.
An opinion of the Federal Criminal Police Office proves: The "Diary of Anne Frank" has been edited later. The authenticity of the document was thus further doubted
Any one else notice how angry and rabid those are who attack TRH and others who know the Truth and not just the jewish tales of woe? Indoctrination and Propaganda is an easy pill to swallow, but searching for and exposing the Truth is astronomically more difficult.
Extermination Camps with theaters, swimming pools, and sports fields? Where did you get this information from? Storm Front? If you believe that stuff I got some swamp land in Florida I need to sell.
I know a couple of ETO WW2 that are still alive that were involved with finding a camp that say the extermination was 100% true. I believe them gentlemen
Any one else notice how angry and rabid those are who attack TRH and others who know the Truth and not just the jewish tales of woe? Indoctrination and Propaganda is an easy pill to swallow, but searching for and exposing the Truth is astronomically more difficult.
It requires a long journey that few are willing to travel. It's not something that can simply be handed to someone in whole form.
Extermination Camps with theaters, swimming pools, and sports fields? Where did you get this information from? Storm Front? If you believe that stuff I got some swamp land in Florida I need to sell.
I got it from these Stormfronters, LOL.
Those fake videos have been around for a long time. Nothing new. Like I said if you really believe that stuff I still got that swamp land to sell, LOL.
I was just eating lunch and seen a commercial asking for donations for holocaust survivors . Now I'm not trying to be a dick but aren't they taken care of by several government programs from several countries ?
My mom is a Holocaust survivor and she has never received payments. The German government definitely made payments to some people who survived, but since my mom escaped to the US and obtained citizenship here she was not eligible for the payments.
That said, she wouldn't accept payments. It's blood money. The surviving members of her family came to the US, got educated, worked their asses off and are now comfortable. They don't need handouts from anyone.
Those fake videos have been around for a long time. Nothing new. Like I said if you really believe that stuff I still got that swamp land to sell, LOL.
Extermination Camps with theaters, swimming pools, and sports fields? Where did you get this information from? Storm Front? If you believe that stuff I got some swamp land in Florida I need to sell.
I got it from these Stormfronters, LOL.
Videos made by anti semitic jews , yes there are such things , think George Soros
I grew up and went to school in inner city Chicago. The high school I attended there had a good many Jewish kids enrolled, too. That was in the early '60s which was not that long at all after WW2 ended. Those Jewish kids were all around the same age as I was which means they were born in the mid to late '40s. Most all of them either had aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, and even a few their own parents that somehow managed to survive the Nazi Death Camps or were never heard from again. In study hall and the lunch room they would sometimes talk about the things their family members who survived told them that they saw and endured. I agree in one respect in that what the Nazis were capable of and did was so unimaginably hideous that you don't want to believe it possible that anyone could ever be that maligned especially not on the scale that they did could actually ever happen. Unfortunately it did, though.
Hmmm... I read autopsy reports (hundreds-- about 8 thick volumes, each autopsy report about 3 pages) from one of my mentor's work during the war. This on the bodies or near dead who subsequently died. He saw it.
I've known several who survived the camps. Not all were Jews, of course. Two of my very close friends, one a Jew and one not, now deceased, were in the camps.
Let's face it, most of us have learned of the holocaust via history books in school that were published by Jewish publishing houses in New York. Believe what you want, but I think this whole thing, although atrocities did occured during ANY war, is to keep the money flowing.
Watch the video with an open mind. Actual photos, and presented by a Jew.
And another racist piece of scheit crawls out of the sewer to spew his hatred. Go the phuque away, maggot
I have watched that video and it is a remarkably poor effort at "revisionist" propaganda. That guy puts forth so much crap that is speculation, innuendo, half-truths, outright lies, and ignorance it is almost laughable. His continuing referral to "many people" when trying to bolster his claims is the method of the fraud who wants the listener to believe something without proof or reason. The author of that piece calls himself an "Atheist Jew" and yet wears a Yarmulke, which is a mark of an Orthodox Jew. He is a fraud and so is his documentary.
Ed
Hardly, I don't hate Jewish people, and have Jews within my family. But to ignore they are master manipulators of information, and control our media, financial institutions, and have DEEP influence on our politics really makes one wonder. I sure do see who is spewing the hate by your anger. Sound like a liberal who shouts NO and covers their eyes and ears.
I salute you sir, you are a thinker instead of a crowd follower. Why do we never hear about the astronomical amount of Lutherans who were rounded up first by the Nazis? What are the casting dates on those furnaces. Who funded both sides of that War and most of all the other wars and conflicts? Who were these Hebrews of old? Is there a difference between an Orthodox Jew and a Zionist Jew? What do Jews say about all this? How many Jews fought with the Nazis in WWII? How many Jews were in Hitlers regime? Was Hitler a Jew? Why is it illegal to speak against the Holocaust? How many have been curious enough to study why there are those who deny a holocaust? What determines what a Jew is? Which Jews were the chosen? Who were the Bolsheviks? I'm not saying which way I jump on this subject, but sure seems like there are a lot of questions that never get answered or even questioned.
I'm [bleep] not a liberal troll, but it's awful funny [bleep] people with the world by the ass are begging for money , The mutherphuckers have done nothing but spread communism throughout the world since the 1910's . Look up all of their backgrounds and then compare it to the modern day Shumer , Feinstien , Sanders etc , then call me a liberal troll you [bleep] idiot
" In 1942, when he was 21, Groening was sent to Auschwitz. He saw the horrors that took place there almost immediately. 'I was standing at the ramp,' he says, 'and my task was to be part of the group supervising the luggage from an incoming transport. 'Sick people were lifted on to lorries. Red Cross lorries—they always tried to create the impression that people had nothing to fear. ... ' It was completely understood by all that the majority were going straight to the gas chamber , although some believed they were only going to be showered before going to work. Many Jews knew they were going to die.
Images of Jews being rounded up and transported typically do not show starved emaciated people,
Images of liberated camps often-commonly show bodies and survivors being in a starved emaciated state.
All of which does not indicate evidence of a broad program of rounding up jews and transporting them all straight to the gas chambers pronto....pictures paint a thousand words or more.
Many camps were forced labor work camps ,where many prisoners eventually died from exhaustion, starvation, disease and exposure.....and yes they were then incinerated in camp ovens.
Well my in laws came from holland, they barely survived, they watched people taken away, they saw the death all around them, they lived the horror and the father in law was forced into the German army, I believe what I have been told from them and their fellow survivors, not some idiot that believes the fake info some claim is the truth.
...Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
And you are the biggest anti-Semite on this site. You are so full of scheit.
Eisenhower specifically ordered photographs, videos, and interviews be done because, he said, there will be people in the future who will deny this ever happened.
Your irrational, unbridled hatred for Jews is disgusting and repugnant.
As to the number of Jews in Europe at the time, there were also non-European Jews there who had fled the Soviet Union after the rise of Communism, and yes, there were that many. The Nazi's own records puts them at that number, not some made-up Soviet construct.
Learn your history from some other source, because the ones you are referencing are nothing but racist propaganda.
Ed
he is full of schidt. I have had a number of survivors as clients through the years, serial numbers tatood on their arms. a good friend lost most of his family in them, I am not jewish, but did lose a extended family member in one of the camps. Just absolutely bull schidt.
my grandmothers home village is in north eastern slovakia, right on the border with poland and about 75miles from a very well know camp. I found the names of about 20 people killed in that camp that are the same as extended members of my family. He is as dumb on this topic as he is on pit bulls. check the eastern ukraine for what happened after the germans roled in.
my grandmothers home village is in north eastern slovakia, right on the border with poland and about 75miles from a very well know camp. I found the names of about 20 people killed in that camp that are the same as extended members of my family. He is as dumb on this topic as he is on pit bulls. check the eastern ukraine for what happened after the germans roled in.
i can kind of grin and bear it when mr. sheithead speaks on many things, but not on what happened in europe during that time. Let the link roll down to hershkowitz, quite a few of them on there, all dead. Tell them the holocaust didn't happen. Fooking idiot. http://bethsholom.com/community/yom-hashoah/
I'm not going to get into a fight with anyone on here. There are opinions, and there are facts. Opinions are like azzholes......we all have one. On the other hand, it's hard to argue against the facts
It is a fact that there have many instances of genocide in the world, going as far back as the records will take us. To deny that the Holocaust happened, is something kin to deny that the sun rises every morning. It happened......there is just too much proof to even begin to deny it. But , here is my problem with it.......in the years leading up to WW2, during the war, and in the years after it, Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Communists killed more people than Hitler and the Germans even thought about killing, yet we rarely hear about that.
Why? Is it because there are still those who deny that? Is it because the Jews want their Holocaust to be the only one that matters? Is it because the Soviet Union was an ally in the war, and Germany was the enemy that we don't want it mentioned? It is something that I've always wondered about, and asked myself why it's okay to continue to condemn the Nazis for killing Jews, yet never mention what the Communists did.
I just find it somewhat wrong that history has decided that the only "real" Holocaust, or mass extermination that occurred during that time period, was committed by the Germans against the Jews, and has forgotten what Stalin did to his own people. There was a reason that most of the Ukrainian people welcomed the German invaders, and that was because of what Stalin and the Communists had done to them.
Just as we should not forget the Jewish Holocaust, neither should we forget the other acts of genocide that have taken place. The Jews do not have a monopoly on that horrible act.
I'm not saying I or any member of my family participated in the Holocaust. I am a 3rd Gen German-American. All my direct relatives who served, served for the Americans in WWII. Cincinnati is an interesting mix. At one point, prior to WWI, we were mostly Germans. As a result, we attracted a lot of German Jews. Hebrew Union College was founded here. We have the oldest synagogue west of the Alleghenies. Cincinnati is the birthplace of Reformed Judaism.
(If you're wondering if I'm a Jew, no I'm not. I was baptized Methodist. My parents are Methodist and Lutheran.)
As a result of my ethnicity, my home town, and my family I've come across folks that weren't on our side WWII, did participate, and weren't any too shy about talking about it. I've also had friends whose parents had the tattoos from the camps. What I can tell you is that there were and are Germans who actively participated in wholesale slaughter of Jews, Slavs, and other groups that were considered undesireable by the Nazi regime. The people that did these things did so for a lot of reasons, but mostly it was out of patriotic zeal, and to do what they thought was right. If you are an outsider, someone who they don't trust, you'll get all sorts of stories that deny this. However, for little kid that grew up looking like a Hummel figurine, it was fairly easy to get them to put their guard down and talk.
"You would have been a god!" said one. "Strong, young, virile! The women would have adored you! And the uniform! You would have been so handsome." He was talking about what being in the SS was like. This is what one of those corksuckers told me on the occasion of my 8th birthday. He was trying to explain why I should have pride in being German. He spoke of it with equal pride as discussing Bach, Bethoven, and Brahms. In discussing the conquest of Eastern Europe: "We waded through them like they were weeds in the field. That was what they were, weeds." It was about this time Mom heard what he was saying and came over to shoo me away. At another meeting, I made the mistake of calling him out as a Nazi when I was a little kid. I spent the next decade having to duck that fellow's attempts to kill me.
Anyone who opens their yap about denying the Holocaust is either a dolt, or deliberate liar. Either way Deine Mutter fickt um Busgeld und geht dann nach Hause. As best as I can tell, the operation was not all that hard to do. To deny that it could happen is to deny that Germans were not capable of performing it. It would be like saying Americans cannot walk down the street and chew gum at the same time. The Jews themselves will tell you how they co-operated. It took a lot of logistics and planning. However, nothing from a technological point of view was all that hard. It was also meticulously documented by the perpetrators. The folks who did this, mostly thought they were doing the right thing, and did everything they could to keep records so that the process could be reviewed with an eye to improving efficiency. I'm perfectly sure that if any nation, America included, wanted to commit genocide on that scale, it could be done.
As to how to keep it from happening again, I am in complete agreement with a policy of education on the Holocaust. Frankly, I was tired of the Holocaust by the time I was out of high school. I really don't like watching the stuff. I'd rather pull my own head off than be forced to read Anne Frank's diary again. However, I think this is about the only way we can keep future generations from repeating it.
The other thing I will tell you is that from a personal preservation standpoint, private gun ownership is the best tonic. You just haven't experienced 2nd Amendment freedom if you've not stood in front of an old German clutching his 12 GA shotgun that he had to hide from the Nazi's and managed to smuggle to America after the War. "Nobody takes zis avay from me! Nobody!" I'm not saying the 2nd Amendment will keep you out of the gas chambers, but you'll have fun taking out the bastids as long as your ammo holds out. If enough of you have the guns and the ammo, maybe they'll think twice . Siehst du?
I will leave you with this admonition from the father of a friend of mine. Andy's Dad had a tattoo on his arm from the camps. He was the rabbi at the synagogue up the street from where I grew up. He came and talked to the 8th graders every year. I got to know him a little better, because I decided to do a paper on ANSWPP in high school and the synagogue's library subscribed to all the American Nazi periodicals. Andy's Dad was very clear in saying that the scariest part of the Holocaust is that we all "Get to play Hitler." That is at some part in our lives, we are presented with the choice in our hearts to go down that road. We all invariably chose Hitler's path. Hitler just got to play out what is in everyone's heart. Every man has a group of folks that we'd like to throw in an oven. For the folks here, I've seen all sorts of candidates: the Left, the Right, pitbull owners, pitbull detractors, 270 WIN shooters--you name it. Somewhere sometime, we've all wanted to stick someone in the oven. You've got it in you. I've got it in me. Probably Ghandi had it. It's part of being human. That's what is so scary about it.
Is anti-Semite a weaponized word? Is racist a weaponized word? Is Conspiracy a weaponized word? Who were these communists who took over Russia and the Ukraine? Who were the Bolsheviks? How many "forgotten" races died in Nazi prison camps that were'nt Jews? How many non survivors were there other than Jews? Who were the SS? Who started the OSS? Who started the CIA. Who funded the Bolsheviks? Who funded the Nazis? Who were the Warburgs? How many Armenians were murdered? How many Russians were murdered? Who was Karl Marx? Who owns the Bank of America? Who owns the Bank of Germany? Who owns the Bank of England? Who owns the Bank of Italy? Is the Bank of France owned by French? Who funded the Nazi movement? Are their ancestors still around? Who are their ancestors? Who is the ADL? Who is the SPLC? Who is Stormfront? Who are the Aryans? What country calls itself Aryan?
,...but let's don't talk about that. People go apechit.
For such an efficient people, they sure let a lot of them survive. In fact, the World Almanac recorded that the world population of Jews increased between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000.
Had extermination been the purpose of the German High Command, every Jew within its sphere of influence would have had a bullet in the head. No need for mass transport systems to centralized extermination facilities equipped with barracks, beds, theaters, swimming pools, sports fields, medical clinics, clothing fumigation facilities, etc., etc..
According to the Nizkor Project, the numbers are real, but wrong, as they under-estimate the Jewish population before the Holocaust, and overestimate it after the Holocaust - not on purpose, but because no other numbers were available: [...] all figures before 1949 were from 1938 estimates. Since the year of etimate is given at the top of the chart it is difficult to believe that the originator did not intentionally mean to decieve by negelecting this key piece of information. [...] The figures listed for total world Jewish population are as follows: 1941 15,748,091 1944 15,192,089 1947 15,688,259 1948 15,688,259 1949 11,266,600 [T]he World Almanac gives a revised 1939 population of 16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520. This also matches the numbers from other sources. Pew lists the Jewish population - based on numbers by Sergio DellaPergola - in Europe at 9.5 million in 1939, and 3.8 million in 1945 (while the wrong estimate of the World Almanac estimates the Jewish population in Europe at 9.3 million in 1948, which matches the Pew numbers for 1939 closely). The Jewish Virtual Library gives worldwide numbers - also based on Sergio DellaPergola - of 16 million in 1939 and 11 million in 1945.
Is anti-Semite a weaponized word? Is racist a weaponized word? Is Conspiracy a weaponized word? Who were these communists who took over Russia and the Ukraine? Who were the Bolsheviks? How many "forgotten" races died in Nazi prison camps that were'nt Jews? How many non survivors were there other than Jews? Who were the SS? Who started the OSS? Who started the CIA. Who funded the Bolsheviks? Who funded the Nazis? Who were the Warburgs? How many Armenians were murdered? How many Russians were murdered? Who was Karl Marx? Who owns the Bank of America? Who owns the Bank of Germany? Who owns the Bank of England? Who owns the Bank of Italy? Is the Bank of France owned by French? Who funded the Nazi movement? Are their ancestors still around? Who are their ancestors? Who is the ADL? Who is the SPLC? Who is Stormfront? Who are the Aryans? What country calls itself Aryan?
What you wrote my sound like a cogent response to you. However, from this Cincinnati Krathead's POV it sounds more like this:
Any one else notice how angry and rabid those are who attack TRH and others who know the Truth and not just the jewish tales of woe? Indoctrination and Propaganda is an easy pill to swallow, but searching for and exposing the Truth is astronomically more difficult.
It requires a long journey that few are willing to travel. It's not something that can simply be handed to someone in whole form.
This is from the same guy who tried to tell us that Masons are Devil Worshipers.
Any one else notice how angry and rabid those are who attack TRH and others who know the Truth and not just the jewish tales of woe? Indoctrination and Propaganda is an easy pill to swallow, but searching for and exposing the Truth is astronomically more difficult.
It requires a long journey that few are willing to travel. It's not something that can simply be handed to someone in whole form.
This is from the same guy who tried to tell us that Masons are Devil Worshipers.
Read "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike. I have. The whole thing. You'll read that the God the Masons worship is Lucifer. You can make an argument that Lucifer and the Devil are not the same being, but Christians don't see it thus. You'll read that the higher levels of Masons focus on rituals that call forth and command angels, spirits, demons. Christians consider that blasphemy and witchcraft. This is the goal of their order: to gain temporal power by commanding otherworldly forces in order to follow in Lucifer's footsteps. Read the [bleep] book, and STFU.
It is a fact that there have many instances of genocide in the world, going as far back as the records will take us. To deny that the Holocaust happened, is something kin to deny that the sun rises every morning. It happened......there is just too much proof to even begin to deny it. But , here is my problem with it.......in the years leading up to WW2, during the war, and in the years after it, Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Communists killed more people than Hitler and the Germans even thought about killing, yet we rarely hear about that.
You can add Pol Pot in Vietnam and Mao in China to your list.
The only thing I can come up with as to how things are perceived is that the Nazis were totally defeated by WW2 and their ideology literally outlawed. Communism on the other hand emerged from the war as a surviving ideology and to this day is not without power and influence all over the world. It has tons of it. We see it in the U.S., as what we call "liberals" control the media and education, and liberals are nothing more than commies biding their time.
Case in point, the crapstorm in Charlottesville last summer. What you essentially had were Commies and Nazis brawling in the streets just like they did in places like Berlin between the two world wars. The commies, (ANTIFA) and their useful idiots were portrayed in our very own media in a much more positive light than were the Nazis and there useful idiots. Since Trump got elected we have literally had commies burning up and breaking stuff all over the country and they have pretty much gotten a pass over it. The cops just stood around and watched. You take the same idiots and put swastikas on them and let them start the same crap and the cops would have dropped the hammer. Why? Because ANTIFA pulls their crap in cities controlled by commie "cough cough" I mean democrats. Have you noticed what the ANTIFA types call Republicans? Why Nazis of course. Talk about a weaponized word. Commies in the U.S. are running the same playbook that they did back in the day when they took over Russia.
To understand the world today, you have to understand WW2. To understand WW2 you have to understand WW1 and the treaty of Versailles which screwed over Germany and their economy. You have to also understand the Commie revolutions....they took over in places like Russia and China. They tried to take over everywhere, even the U.S. My knowledge of all these things is rudimentary. We basically get taught in school that the Nazis were bad, they tried to take over the world, and "we" kicked their asses....end of story. It has to be more to it than that and history is always written by the winners. It would take a lot of dedicated study to wade through all the propaganda and most regular people such as myself don't have the time. For instance, I don't know or understand the difference between what was German national socialism and Soviet communism. Germany and Russia were allies and one point, and then Hitler decided to jump them.
I can ride about 20 miles up the road and visit with a local hero and WW2 veteran of the 101st Airborne who went through all of WW2 and managed not to get killed or even wounded by some miracle. He saw the camps, or at least some of them. He will tell you it was no hoax. I believe him. The Nazis were bad news. The commies still are but there are enough of them that they have good PR. That is how I distill it all down with my peanut brain.
I must admit I dont understand the level of pure HATRED directed at some here for not caring for a specific breed of people.
They've been programmed since childhood (All of us have, but some overcome it). This has become a Pavlovian response for them, and they have no idea why.
I must admit I dont understand the level of pure HATRED directed at some here for not caring for a specific breed of people.
They've been programmed since childhood (All of us have, but some overcome it). This has become a Pavlovian response for them, and they have no idea why.
I have to believe that, there's no other reason for their vapid defense for a people that DGAF about them.
I must admit I dont understand the level of pure HATRED directed at some here for not caring for a specific breed of people.
They've been programmed since childhood (All of us have, but some overcome it). This has become a Pavlovian response for them, and they have no idea why.
I have to believe that, there's no other reason for their vapid defense for a people that DGAF about them.
Any one else notice how angry and rabid those are who attack TRH and others who know the Truth and not just the jewish tales of woe? Indoctrination and Propaganda is an easy pill to swallow, but searching for and exposing the Truth is astronomically more difficult.
It requires a long journey that few are willing to travel. It's not something that can simply be handed to someone in whole form.
This is from the same guy who tried to tell us that Masons are Devil Worshipers.
Read "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike. I have. The whole thing. You'll read that the God the Masons worship is Lucifer. You can make an argument that Lucifer and the Devil are not the same being, but Christians don't see it thus. You'll read that the higher levels of Masons focus on rituals that call forth and command angels, spirits, demons. Christians consider that blasphemy and witchcraft. This is the goal of their order: to gain temporal power by commanding otherworldly forces in order to follow in Lucifer's footsteps. Read the [bleep] book, and STFU.
The story about Albert Pike and Lucifer, however, is a lie that will not die. Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pages (writing as Leo Taxil) conceived the hoax and designed it …
Is anti-Semite a weaponized word? Is racist a weaponized word? Is Conspiracy a weaponized word? Who were these communists who took over Russia and the Ukraine? Who were the Bolsheviks? How many "forgotten" races died in Nazi prison camps that were'nt Jews? How many non survivors were there other than Jews? Who were the SS? Who started the OSS? Who started the CIA. Who funded the Bolsheviks? Who funded the Nazis? Who were the Warburgs? How many Armenians were murdered? How many Russians were murdered? Who was Karl Marx? Who owns the Bank of America? Who owns the Bank of Germany? Who owns the Bank of England? Who owns the Bank of Italy? Is the Bank of France owned by French? Who funded the Nazi movement? Are their ancestors still around? Who are their ancestors? Who is the ADL? Who is the SPLC? Who is Stormfront? Who are the Aryans? What country calls itself Aryan?
What you wrote my sound like a cogent response to you. However, from this Cincinnati Krathead's POV it sounds more like this:
I take it you can't answer the questions.
What race were many of Hitler's cabinet. What race was Adolf Eichmann? Did he have a job in Eastern Europe? Were the Bolsheviks communists? What race of people did they try and annihilate in Russia? Who were the Hebrews? Who were the Jews? What did Jesus say about the Jews. What did John the Revelator say about the Jews. Who are the true Jews? Are there impostors? Who are wheat? Who are the tares? Can they look the same? Can you know them by their fruit? Who is George Soros?
Holocaust denial is an attempt to negate the established facts of the Nazi genocide of European Jewry. Holocaust denial and distortion are forms of antisemitism. They are generally motivated by hatred of Jews and build on the claim that the Holocaust was invented or exaggerated by Jews as part of a plot to advance Jewish interests.
These views perpetuate long-standing antisemitic stereotypes, hateful charges that were instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Holocaust. Holocaust denial, distortion, and misuse all undermine the understanding of history. The Nazi persecution of the Jews began with hateful words, escalated to discrimination and dehumanization, and culminated in genocide. The consequences for Jews were horrific, but suffering and death was not limited to them. Millions of others were victimized, displaced, forced into slave labor, and murdered. The Holocaust shows that when one group is targeted, all people are vulnerable.
They deny the Holocaust so that they can attract followers to a new Nazi movement.
Holocaust denial, then, unites a broad range of radical right-wing hate groups in the United States and elsewhere, ranging from Ku Klux Klan segregationists to skinheads seeking to revive Nazism to radical Muslim activists seeking to destroy Israel.
Holocaust deniers want to debate the very existence of the Holocaust as a historical event. They want above all to be seen as legitimate scholars arguing a historical point. They crave attention, a public platform to air what they refer to as “the other side of the issue.” Because legitimate scholars do not doubt that the Holocaust happened, such assertions play no role in historical debates. Although deniers insist that the idea of the Holocaust as myth is a reasonable topic of debate, it is clear, in light of the overwhelming weight of evidence that the Holocaust happened, that the debate the deniers proffer is more about antisemitism and hate politics than it is about history.
Since all the facts are so well supported in the historical record, why is it a crime punishable by imprisonment in many countries to question any of the particulars of it? Link
I know there are real conspiracies, but basing your entire belief system on conspiracy theories is bad business. I further believe that there is one very large and important conspiracy afoot---and that has led to the mass production of so many conspiracy theories that we are inundated with so much of it, we can't tell which ones are true and which ones are not. That's actually kind of a joke. I think.
I do not for a moment believe that Eisenhower participated in a conspiracy to promote such a huge "deception" as the Holocaust. There were too many people who witnessed the aftermath at the camps, and there's no way the truth could have been silenced. It's ironic that 70 years later, more will buy into the conspiracy theories. It's more ironic yet considering what Gobbels said about a lie repeated often enough.
Why do we never hear about the astronomical amount of Lutherans who were rounded up first by the Nazis?
Is this a rhetorical question?
Lutheran Church During WWII By Guy Gardner The Lutheran Church was the dominant Protestant church in Germany in the 1930s, and was an important part of German culture and history. Like all other national organizations and symbols, the Nazi Party aimed to integrate German Christianity within the Third Reich. The rise of the Nazi Party and its cooptation of the church split the Lutheran community in two. ... Dissidents Many Lutherans who opposed the Nazis found themselves in prisons or concentration camps during the war. Martin Niemoller, a Lutheran priest and one of the most outspoken members of the Confessing Church, was arrested twice. When arrested the second time in 1938, Hitler had him sent to the Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp, where he spent seven years before being liberated by the allies at the end of the war. Initially supportive of the Nazi Party as a movement for national rejuvenation, Niemoller came to oppose the state’s interference in the church and its cruelty towards the Jews. Niemoller was especially critical of the failure of the German people to speak out against the Nazis, famously describing it this way: “First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”
[quote=BOWSINGER][/quote] Or you could read Pike's writings yourself, and find out for yourself. Or keep taking other people's word for things.
Some of us PREFER to come to our own conclusions, because we are responsible, confident thinkers who trust in our own intellect over that of the drooling morons around us. Why you choose that other group to embrace is beyond me, but then again, I have an IQ of 150. It doesn't help me grasp "stupid" though.
Ursula Hedwig Meta Haverbeck-Wetzel (born 8 November 1928) is a German author from Vlotho, Germany.[1][2] Since 2004, she has also been the subject of lawsuits due to her Holocaust denial[1][2][3][4][5] which in Germany is against the law.
Her husband was Werner Georg Haverbeck (de), who during the Nazi period was temporarily engaged in the national leadership of the Nazi Party, founder and director in 1933 of the German Imperial Federation of Nation and Homeland (de), as well as writer and publisher, historian, folklorist and parson of The Christian Community.[1] From 1982 he was also on the Scientific Advisory Board of the Ecological-Democratic Party (ÖDP) and party member.
In November 2015, at the age of 87, she was sentenced to ten months' imprisonment for Holocaust denial.[6] Several additional convictions in the fall of 2016 led to further such sentences. She has still never spent a day in prison, because she is still appealing all sentences[7][8]...
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Right-wing extremism Well before Germany's reunification in 1990, Haverbeck-Wetzel cultivated connections to right-wing political groups like the NPD (National Democratic Party of Germany) with the aim of a major national collective movement in Germany. This orientation intensified in the years following. It was probably via this path that around 2000 she became acquainted with the Neo-nazi lawyer Horst Mahler. From this she became active as member and deputy director of the "Society for the Rehabilitation of Those Persecuted for Refutation of the Holocaust" (German Verein zur Rehabilitierung der wegen Bestreitens des Holocaust Verfolgten (de)),[2] which was founded in Vlotho on 9 November 2003, the anniversary of Kristallnacht. Chaired by the Swiss Holocaust denier Bernhard Schaub. Additionally, almost all well-known Holocaust deniers, including Ernst Zündel (Canada), Robert Faurisson (France), Germar Rudolf, Jürgen Graf, Gerd Honsik, Wilhelm Stäglich, Fredrick Toben (Australia), Andres Studer, Hans-Dietrich Sander, Manfred Roeder, Frank Rennicke and Anneliese Remer were also involved in its establishment. The organization was subsequently banned in May 2008 by the German Federal Ministry of the Interior (Bundesministerium des Innern) on the grounds of being hostile to the constitution of Germany....
Best Answer: Auschwitz became the Nazis' main killing center.
Some of the Nazis' other camps also contained gas chambers, but they were not used on a regular basis for mass extermination. Gas chambers functioned at Mauthausen (Austria), Neuengamme (Hamburg, Germany), Sachsenhausen (20 miles north of Berlin), Stutthof (northern Poland), and Ravensbrueck (eastern Germany), Chelmno (Poland) was the first Nazi camp where gassing was used to exterminate Jews on a large-scale basis, and the first place outside the Soviet Union where Jews were slaughtered en mass as part of the "final solution."
Other Polish death camps included Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka, none compared to the volume at Auschwitz. Dachau was a concentration camp, as opposed to a death camp with gas chambers. Source(s): http://www1.yadvashem.org/education/entr...
It's a good thing that not just anybody can post a video on the internet, isn't it? That proves only that she's a Holocaust denier. The answers she claims to have sought are recorded, and the locations of the extermination were places like Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Treblinka, and others.
Conspiracy theories as the foundation for a belief system are deep, dark holes.
Holocaust denial is an attempt to negate the established facts of the Nazi genocide of European Jewry. Holocaust denial and distortion are forms of antisemitism. They are generally motivated by hatred of Jews and build on the claim that the Holocaust was invented or exaggerated by Jews as part of a plot to advance Jewish interests.
These views perpetuate long-standing antisemitic stereotypes, hateful charges that were instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Holocaust. Holocaust denial, distortion, and misuse all undermine the understanding of history. The Nazi persecution of the Jews began with hateful words, escalated to discrimination and dehumanization, and culminated in genocide. The consequences for Jews were horrific, but suffering and death was not limited to them. Millions of others were victimized, displaced, forced into slave labor, and murdered. The Holocaust shows that when one group is targeted, all people are vulnerable.
They deny the Holocaust so that they can attract followers to a new Nazi movement.
Holocaust denial, then, unites a broad range of radical right-wing hate groups in the United States and elsewhere, ranging from Ku Klux Klan segregationists to skinheads seeking to revive Nazism to radical Muslim activists seeking to destroy Israel.
Holocaust deniers want to debate the very existence of the Holocaust as a historical event. They want above all to be seen as legitimate scholars arguing a historical point. They crave attention, a public platform to air what they refer to as “the other side of the issue.” Because legitimate scholars do not doubt that the Holocaust happened, such assertions play no role in historical debates. Although deniers insist that the idea of the Holocaust as myth is a reasonable topic of debate, it is clear, in light of the overwhelming weight of evidence that the Holocaust happened, that the debate the deniers proffer is more about antisemitism and hate politics than it is about history.
I must admit I dont understand the level of pure HATRED directed at some here for not caring for a specific breed of people.
Hatred? I don't hate anyone, Jerry. I have done that once in my life and will never fall for it again.
What I do hate is the behavior of including every member of a racial group as pariahs without regard for the individual. Not all whites, much less white "Christians", are good, in fact if they were, why do cops kill more of them than blacks?
Racism is not a genetic entity, it is learned behavior. By looking at each individual, not as a person of a certain color or racial background, we find more commonality and more compatibility than if we look at the worst of a particular culture or race and paint them all with a broad brush.
I find certain customs, behaviors, and practices of some races to be repugnant and self destructive to members of those races and to the surrounding community where they are practiced. That doesn't automatically mean that every member of that group are to be held beneath contempt.
To meet, or even run across a member of a certain group, and automatically presume that they are of the same behavior as the worst of their group is extraordinarily small minded and limits the possibilities of understanding the other person and who they really are, which in turn, limits the understanding of who we are and how we can make the best of this world and the people in it.
It limits our ability to see that there really are members of that group who have the same morals and standards that we hold dear and who strive for the same things we do.
In no way does what I am talking about imply that all races or groups are equal in abilities or share the same beliefs and morals, for it can be proven that they are not, and never will be equal.
Disparaging someone for something they had absolutely NO choice in being is the ultimate in arrogance and childishness.
Did YOU have a choice to be born as a white male in a Christian country with Euro-centric values and customs? I didn't think so, no more than I, or anyone else.
So, my disgust at TRH, littlecmonkey, and the other blatant racists here is at their behavior and how destructive the propaganda they preach is.
Pavlovian behavior, as TRH puts it, is another favorite tactic of facists and communists, that is, to demean and denigrate the opinions of people who don't agree with them. Basic Propaganda 101.
It implies an inability of the other person to think and reason independently. In other words, a thinly disguised insult and a passive-aggressive response of someone who has no coherent or reasoned response.
My insults are not passive-aggressive, I call them as I see them.
I understand what you're saying, guess some of my confusion comes from the rabib auto-fire defense of jews when ALL peoples have been savaged by wars and the formation of countries, AND the good book says NO man shall enter Gods kingdom except through the Son, meaning to me, no one is special, we are all equally worthless, therefore should receive the same representation.
I've never heard anyone procalim, Oh the poor Irish!
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
I thought that we killed off all the Nazis in WW2. Your proof that we missed some.
...Just as we should not forget the Jewish Holocaust, neither should we forget the other acts of genocide that have taken place. The Jews do not have a monopoly on that horrible act.
I fully agree. The world should be constantly reminded of the horrors of both Communism and Fascism. Both killed millions of people within the last 100 years, but none so efficiently(?) and ruthlessly as the Communists.
We just don't have another ethnic group that rallied around their victimization and hold that horror up for us to be reminded of. We should be glad that the Jews have, and continue to, keep this in our consciousness, for it continues to show us just how cruel and inhumane we humans can be.
To me, the Holocaust Memorial, and other reminders of the Holocaust are not pleas of sympathy for the Jews so much as a a plea to teach ourselves and our children of the horrors of genocide in hopes that we will not repeat them. For truly, "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"
Unfortunately, there are a multitude of scams that invoke the name of the Holocaust and it's survivors. But don't lump all Jews into the category of scammers, because they are not.
Communists and Fascists have killed millions more non-Jews than Jews, and they continue to do so. If the Communists succeed in taking over this country, you can expect there to be in excess of 30 million Americans "eliminated" by them in order for them to remain in power.
It will be very easy for them to do this because we are teaching ourselves and our offspring to divide ourselves and, once divided, are more easily identified and conquered.
I have read this thread,and went on you tube to watch the listed links,also found one called"hellstorm",worth a watch no matter what side of the fence your on with this topic.
Ed, I understand what you're saying, guess some of my confusion comes from the rabib auto-fire defense of jews when ALL peoples have been savaged by wars and the formation of countries, AND the good book says NO man shall enter Gods kingdom except through the Son, meaning to me, no one is special, we are all equally worthless, therefore should receive the same representation. I've never heard anyone procalim, Oh the poor Irish!
Probably because the Irish didn't have millions rounded up, men, women, children, and infants and murdered, wholesale. Thousands, yes, but most in times when there were no photographs, no audio recordings, nor videos.
The Romans and the Huns weren't particularly selective about who got killed in their conquests, either. I don't see any memorials or campaigns for their victims, but we do have a different set of ROE's for "war" now.
The treatment of the Irish, first by the English (and Scots) and then the Americans is a shameful blight on our history, too. Same for the Chinese, actually worse for the Chinese, because of the opium trade foisted upon them by the British.
I agree with you regarding our status in the eyes of our Creator, and that's exactly why we should hold no other group as less than we are.
I sometimes wonder at the responses by folks who take up their sword in defense the Jews, or other ethnic groups, if they are unable to articulate their reason, but just feel that it's the right thing to do?
The answers she claims to have sought are recorded, and the locations of the extermination were places like Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Treblinka, and others.
Even the claimed numbers from those locations don't add up. When, in 1989, the official number claimed to have died at Auschwitz, after significant pressure from the historical community, was revised down by 2.5 million, they forgot to lower the total 6,000,000 figure by that amount.
Fact is that the International Red Cross, soon after the war, carefully analyzed the number of deaths under German captivity, and came up with something on the order of few hundred thousand, including all ethnic groups. The Red Cross had access to all facilities under German control containing prisoners throughout the war.
Furthermore, the Allies had cracked the German code long before the end of the war, and were listening in on all communications in and out of the camps, to include regular reports of deaths from all causes. Till very near the end, the numbers were typical of prison camps in war time, and mostly included natural causes, with the occasional execution for crimes, or shooting during escape attempts. Near the end, Typhus was the recorded cause of most deaths. None were related to gassing. And this was in code, which the Germans didn't realize was broken. Add to this the absence of any actual gas chambers (apart from a handful of obvious hoaxes constructed by the Soviets after the war), and you begin to understand this woman's questions.
I'm sure you have credible sources for all that you say. I guess that the films of the prisoners being shot one after another at the edge of a pit filled with bodies were photoshopped. I'm sure the films of emaciated bodies being tossed into pits one after another are really about the daily attrition die to death by natural causes. I'm sure that when the German people who lived near the death camps were marched through them to see what their government had done, they were aghast at the lack of clean linens.
Never seen a telethon for us poor Eskimos! Schit! My brothers and ancestors live and lived in ice houses! Maybe we could hook a brother up with some central heat!
I've spent more than one night in an ice house! I did have central heat...a MSR International pack stove.
The Eskimos (Yupik & Inupiat), Athabaskan Indians, Aleuts, Tlingits, and Haidas, at least the American ones, have ANILCA and it's benefits to fall back on now, but our history with them is another blight on our nation.
There have been atrocities against every ethnic group in the world at one time or another, it just outlines how cruel and inhumane we humans are, particularly against others who are not like us.
Ed, I understand what you're saying, guess some of my confusion comes from the rabib auto-fire defense of jews when ALL peoples have been savaged by wars and the formation of countries, AND the good book says NO man shall enter Gods kingdom except through the Son, meaning to me, no one is special, we are all equally worthless, therefore should receive the same representation. I've never heard anyone procalim, Oh the poor Irish!
Probably because the Irish didn't have millions rounded up, men, women, children, and infants and murdered, wholesale. Thousands, yes, but most in times when there were no photographs, no audio recordings, nor videos.
The Romans and the Huns weren't particularly selective about who got killed in their conquests, either. I don't see any memorials or campaigns for their victims, but we do have a different set of ROE's for "war" now.
The treatment of the Irish, first by the English (and Scots) and then the Americans is a shameful blight on our history, too. Same for the Chinese, actually worse for the Chinese, because of the opium trade foisted upon them by the British.
I agree with you regarding our status in the eyes of our Creator, and that's exactly why we should hold no other group as less than we are.
I sometimes wonder at the responses by folks who take up their sword in defense the Jews, or other ethnic groups, if they are unable to articulate their reason, but just feel that it's the right thing to do?
Ed
Yup, I also believe some are better at playing the "poor me" card for all it's worth, everyone needs to lose that, get outta bed, pull on your pants, and go to work being productive, taking care of THEIR children, stop with the begging and looking for handouts.
I'm sure you have credible sources for all that you say. I guess that the films of the prisoners being shot one after another at the edge of a pit filled with bodies were photoshopped. I'm sure the films of emaciated bodies being tossed into pits one after another are really about the daily attrition die to death by natural causes. I'm sure that when the German people who lived near the death camps were marched through them to see what their government had done, they were aghast at the lack of clean linens.
Yep and what my European in laws and relatives saw and lived through while a lot of their friends didnt is all a hoax too, amazing how brainwashed one can become even when presented with real facts witnessed by real people.
"Regarding Hungarian Jews the following general ruling was laid down in Oswiecim", which is Auschwitz," and children up to the age of 12, older people above 50, as well as the sick, or people with criminal records (who were transported in specially marked wagons) were taken immediately on their arrival to the gas chambers. The others passed before an SS doctor who on sight indicated who was fit for work, and who was not. Those unfit were sent to the gas chambers, while the others were distributed in various labor camps."
"In the first half of November 1944 about 20,000 Jews were taken from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz and were gassed, on instructions from Aichmann.
"Between 1,500,000 and 2,000,000 political prisoners are known to have been incarcerated and labeled for extermination at the Mauthausen system of concentration camps from available records. The Chain consisted ob between 23 and 30 individual camps between the years 1941 and 1945, the number varying as the smaller of these were occasionally evacuated.
"b. Of the camps affiliated with Mauthausen, the present investigation covered 13 of them, of which tho largest were Mauthausen, Gusen, Number 1 and Number 2, Ebensee, Steyr, and Gunskirchen."
Genocides most definitely occur with periodic regularity throughout human historyl. Always perpetrated for purposes of seizing resources and power.
Many of these campaigns are neglected by our history books. The atrocities perpetrated by the Japanese against Korean, Philipine, and Chinese peoples for example.
How many tribes and sects disappeared under the boot heel of the Roman Empire? How many tribes and even nations of peoples vanished from the Earth as Spain, Portugal, Great Britain, etc took dominion over the Americas and Africa? How many tribes did the US gov't eradicate?
The only thing which makes the Holocaust different from the rest is that it was carried out in the midst of civilized society. Right under the nose of a populace with no idea it was occurring. Yes, everybody knew the Jews were being rounded up and relocated. But it was commonly believed they were being robbed of their riches and simply placed into labor to support the war effort.
No sane person could believe, at that time, that something so horrific as a systematic extermination was occurring right in their midst. Sure they saw many Jews murdered upon the streets by authorities, but there was always some made up crime to explain the atrocities.
The lesson to be learned is that once a people begins to be demonized by the press, it is easy for a public to learn hatred of that people and forgive any atrocities perpetrated against those people by their gov't.
The press today throughout the world has undertaken to demonize the wealthy capitolists and the gun owners of America.
We are sufficiently warned. But, unlike the Jews of Europe in the late 30's and early 40's, there is no place left in the world to accept right wing Americans.
If the Bolsheviks seize control of America and install their own brand of fascism. We well know what will become of us.
well, i do know this. A friend of mine now deceased lost most of his family in poland. He lived near a temple in scottsdale arizona. The temple a few years ago was dealing with someone painting swastiga's on the walls at night. My friend was a good guy. I have another family that are clients, been friends for 40 years. They are jewish. And quietly not asking for attention have contributed much time and money to the comunity they live in. I made them both a promise, never again, on my watch. I would take them in on a heartbeat. WWII is a complicated topic in europe. I have had tattoo'd S.S. men sitting at my dining room table, and others that were on the ostfront during the war. The two i am describing were doing what they were told to do. They were 16 when they went into service. It wasn't optional. You either went or your family was sent to the camps. But they were boys doing what they were told to do just like our boys were doing what they were told to do. But it isn't to negate the evil in the system. There is a lot of ancient hatred in that part of the world. Some of it carries over here. But to deny those camps is to deny what is in front of you.
well, i do know this. A friend of mine now deceased lost most of his family in poland. He lived near a temple in scottsdale arizona. The temple a few years ago was dealing with someone painting swastiga's on the walls at night. My friend was a good guy. I have another family that are clients, been friends for 40 years. They are jewish. And quietly not asking for attention have contributed much time and money to the comunity they live in. I made them both a promise, never again, on my watch. I would take them in on a heartbeat. WWII is a complicated topic in europe. I have had tattoo'd S.S. men sitting at my dining room table, and others that were on the ostfront during the war. The two i am describing were doing what they were told to do. They were 16 when they went into service. It wasn't optional. You either went or your family was sent to the camps. But they were boys doing what they were told to do just like our boys were doing what they were told to do. But it isn't to negate the evil in the system. There is a lot of ancient hatred in that part of the world. Some of it carries over here. But to deny those camps is to deny what is in front of you.
Yes, all one has to do if they really want the truth and not denial is to read the Nuremberg transcripts, the actual words of those who partook of this crime against all humanity, not just Jews, but anyone that was not of the Aryan race.
well, i do know this. A friend of mine now deceased lost most of his family in poland. He lived near a temple in scottsdale arizona. The temple a few years ago was dealing with someone painting swastiga's on the walls at night. My friend was a good guy. I have another family that are clients, been friends for 40 years. They are jewish. And quietly not asking for attention have contributed much time and money to the comunity they live in. I made them both a promise, never again, on my watch. I would take them in on a heartbeat. WWII is a complicated topic in europe. I have had tattoo'd S.S. men sitting at my dining room table, and others that were on the ostfront during the war. The two i am describing were doing what they were told to do. They were 16 when they went into service. It wasn't optional. You either went or your family was sent to the camps. But they were boys doing what they were told to do just like our boys were doing what they were told to do. But it isn't to negate the evil in the system. There is a lot of ancient hatred in that part of the world. Some of it carries over here. But to deny those camps is to deny what is in front of you.
Yes, all one has to do if they really want the truth and not denial is to read the Nuremberg transcripts, the actual words of those who partook of this crime against all humanity, not just Jews, but anyone that was not of the Aryan race.
the part that is always on my mine is they the germans did not like slavs, the untermenschen. It's ironic in a way, half of me is slavic, the other half is high northern german/danish with a VON preceding my family name, Wedel, wedel being part of hamburg today. I would have perplexed the authorities on what to do with me. Google and the net are interesting tools. There are WWII tanks still parked in villages around novot, slovakia and the battle of Dukla pass was not far away. How many know of that battle, and the bloodletting that ran both ways when the germans went east, and later when the russians went west. Right over the top of novot. a lot of those areas changed hands many times through the years, always with blood letting. what also is perplexing is i have a distant relative that fought during the battle of britain as a german fighter pilot, a general who died during the battle of konisberg, and several that are buried at normandy killed a couple weeks after the invasion. Not to mention one who died on the HMS Hood. Cousins killing cousins, because thats what they were told to do.
The answers she claims to have sought are recorded, and the locations of the extermination were places like Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Treblinka, and others.
Even the claimed numbers from those locations don't add up. When, in 1989, the official number claimed to have died at Auschwitz, after significant pressure from the historical community, was revised down by 2.5 million, they forgot to lower the total 6,000,000 figure by that amount.
Fact is that the International Red Cross, soon after the war, carefully analyzed the number of deaths under German captivity, and came up with something on the order of few hundred thousand, including all ethnic groups. The Red Cross had access to all facilities under German control containing prisoners throughout the war. Furthermore, the Allies had cracked the German code long before the end of the war, and were listening in on all communications in and out of the camps, to include regular reports of deaths from all causes. Till very near the end, the numbers were typical of prison camps in war time, and mostly included natural causes, with the occasional execution for crimes, or shooting during escape attempts. Near the end, Typhus was the recorded cause of most deaths. None were related to gassing. And this was in code, which the Germans didn't realize was broken. Add to this the absence of any actual gas chambers (apart from a handful of obvious hoaxes constructed by the Soviets after the war), and you begin to understand this woman's questions.
"“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for ... It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ... Joseph Goebbels expounding on a quote by Vladimir Lenin.
Keep pumping out your propaganda, Chris.
Here is what Joseph Goebbels had to say about propaganda;
"Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths. "
"The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly, penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the propagandistic initiative."
The answers she claims to have sought are recorded, and the locations of the extermination were places like Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Treblinka, and others.
Even the claimed numbers from those locations don't add up. When, in 1989, the official number claimed to have died at Auschwitz, after significant pressure from the historical community, was revised down by 2.5 million, they forgot to lower the total 6,000,000 figure by that amount.
Fact is that the International Red Cross, soon after the war, carefully analyzed the number of deaths under German captivity, and came up with something on the order of few hundred thousand, including all ethnic groups. The Red Cross had access to all facilities under German control containing prisoners throughout the war. Furthermore, the Allies had cracked the German code long before the end of the war, and were listening in on all communications in and out of the camps, to include regular reports of deaths from all causes. Till very near the end, the numbers were typical of prison camps in war time, and mostly included natural causes, with the occasional execution for crimes, or shooting during escape attempts. Near the end, Typhus was the recorded cause of most deaths. None were related to gassing. And this was in code, which the Germans didn't realize was broken. Add to this the absence of any actual gas chambers (apart from a handful of obvious hoaxes constructed by the Soviets after the war), and you begin to understand this woman's questions.
"“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for ... It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ... Joseph Goebbels expounding on a quote by Vladimir Lenin.
Keep pumping out your propaganda, Chris.
Here is what Joseph Goebbels had to say about propaganda;
"Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths. "
"The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly, penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the propagandistic initiative."
Carry on...
Ed
i typically ignore him, but i cannot ignore that scheit he puts on here. I have a friend i have known since the 70's when i roomed with him at college, i was engaged to his sister for a number of years. His father was in pattons 3rd army. This fellow has a B.S. in chemistry, and a masters in electricl engineering. And he is a holocaust denier. I think there is a gene broken in his brain.
I'm sure you have credible sources for all that you say. I guess that the films of the prisoners being shot one after another at the edge of a pit filled with bodies were photoshopped. I'm sure the films of emaciated bodies being tossed into pits one after another are really about the daily attrition die to death by natural causes. I'm sure that when the German people who lived near the death camps were marched through them to see what their government had done, they were aghast at the lack of clean linens.
You're tossing a lot of variety into your word salad, there. You will have to be specific. There were indeed atrocities on all sides (only the losing side's atrocities are made public, typically, however). There were also huge numbers of faked, Soviet, propaganda photos. There were also many instances where partisans were summarily executed with pistols upon capture (a partisan is someone fighting for the enemy absent uniform).
Here's a link showing just a handful of propaganda photographs put out by the Soviets. Link
Ya'll can say what you want about Hawkeye, but he does not, at least in my recollection, call names and pitch hissy fits at people when he argues with them.
Meanwhile, the peanut gallery has done everything from call for his banning from the fire up to his being beaten "almost but not quite" to death in addition to calling him every name in the book.
All this for expressing an opinion questioning the "official" version of history. And this is supposed to be a "conservative, libertarian leaning forum", who otherwise accepts that the government lies to us all the time.
A man runs for President on a platform largely consisting of stopping illegal and Muslim immigration into the United States. He immediately begins getting attacked by the media, 80% of the U.S. government, and almost half the population of the county's citizenship, which have been propagandized into being useful idiots. He gets elected and the attacks continue,....every day, all day.
Those who support this President are routinely slandered as being Nazi's and the President himself is repeatedly referred to as "literally Hitler"
ok, I am getting angry , lets read the definition of fascism :
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Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[5][6][7][4][8][9] According to Encyclopedia Britannica the roots of fascism may be tied to the Jacobin movement.[10)
I must admit I dont understand the level of pure HATRED directed at some here for not caring for a specific breed of people.
They've been programmed since childhood (All of us have, but some overcome it). This has become a Pavlovian response for them, and they have no idea why.
I have to believe that, there's no other reason for their vapid defense for a people that DGAF about them.
watch it.....you will be labeled a jew hater......bob
Pavlovian behavior, as TRH puts it, is another favorite tactic of facists and communists, that is, to demean and denigrate the opinions of people who don't agree with them.
Not that *you* would ever do that, of course.
And if you did, it would be callin em as you see em, which of course, is *completely* different.
Nazis killed jews.
Soviets killed twice as many christians (where's my money?).
Asians put em all ta shame, and by hand, mostly.
Nazi holocaust is ta jews what slavery is ta blacks.
They's gonna ride that horse til it bucks em.
And anybody that tries ta whoa that horse is gonna get the lash, as best the rider can deliver it.
Ya'll can say what you want about Hawkeye, but he does not, at least in my recollection, call names and pitch hissy fits at people when he argues with them.
Meanwhile, the peanut gallery has done everything from call for his banning from the fire up to his being beaten "almost but not quite" to death in addition to calling him every name in the book.
All this for expressing an opinion questioning the "official" version of history. And this is supposed to be a "conservative, libertarian leaning forum", who otherwise accepts that the government lies to us all the time.
funny,,,,banning and beatings, just like the Nazis did.........not to much libertarian leaning on this forum, I think.....bob
If there is, it will be in response to extreme multiculturalism. Anyone who isn't an idiot will have a very strong negative response when their culture comes under attack.
Unfortunately, America contains a huge number of idiots.
My hats off to you Bristoe. Actually to be fair I noticed there were several free thinkers in this thread. Search any newspaper during the early 1900's and you will read that the Bolsheviks were Jews. Oh My God! No Way!!. CONSPIRACY!! CONSPIRACY!! Communism is the Zionist Jews preferred government. Over 100,000 German soldiers were jews and in the meantime many of those leaders rounding up jews were jews. Imagine that. By following this thread it has become very apparent that it is not as bad to annihilate races as long as they are not jewish. Whites, oh by all means, get rid of them. It was the Jewish owned and controlled banks that funded Hitler and the Bolsheviks...........so maybe the Zionist Jews need to be paying the Jews. But hey, its ok, look at how many Americans, English, Scots, Irish, French, Polish, Canadians to name just a few that they were able to get rid of. I'll bet they are laughing their asses off at us stupid goyim. Every time that holocaust train comes rolling through, everyone jumps on board like puppets. I know Jews died in prison camps, but so did many others who were white. Hardly a one of you would acknowledge that truth if someone didn't point it out. But hey, its ok, they weren't jews. Maybe if that became acknowledge this holocaust crap would die. Both sides of my family fought in WW II. Even had one Uncle killed in Germany by German troops. Several of them were there at the end of the war. They seen what went on. One of my Uncles is Jewish, he was a GS16 in the CIA. His roommate in college was JKF. His sister was Henry Kissenger's first wife. Yes, I talked to them and they have interesting tales to tell. Their stories don't seem to match some History we are told. But then many of us prefer lock stepping. Yep, if you tell a lie enough times you will have everybody arguing their side of the lie while the truth slowly passes by unnoticed. The stupid Goyim are easily distracted and fooled. . What about the 1000's of German women who were rounded up at the end of the war by the Soviets (communists/bolsheviks) and raped. Anybody shed a tear over that? Didn't think so.
I have never ever thought of myself as being anti-Semite. As a matter of fact, I can't say as I personally know anyone who is a Jew, though I've known some that were called Jews because of how they acted about money. I have always been a supporter of the nation of Israel, because I applaud the way they fight Islamic terrorism, and I consider them to be one of our best allies.
On the flip side, I've always believed that not just the Jews, but many others as well, have gone out of their way to pass the Holocaust off as the worst thing to ever happen. Without a doubt, it was bad, but was it the worst? Didn't the Soviets kill just as many of their citizens, and maybe even more? Same way with the Chinese Communists, and millions of deaths they were undoubtably responsible for.
I think the Jews have done a good job of always making sure that the Holocaust was always in the forefront, and the other atrocities relegated to "second class" status. It's not been much different than what the American Negro has done on the issue of slavery. Since the beginning of time, humans have made slaves out of one another. In Biblical times, the entire nation of Israel was enslaved by the Egyptians and later on by the Persians. But, to hear the Negro tell it, they were the only people to ever be forced into slavery.
Yep, ole Jeff Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Stonewall Jackson went over to Africa and personally brought the Blacks back to the South.....or at least that's what Negroes would have you believe. The fact that it was their own kind who usually did the capturing and selling to the New England slave traders, is something they like to keep all hush hush..........just as the Jews do on the topic of other genocides.
I sympathize with those who lost family members in the Holocaust. It happened, and that part is undeniable........just like the Soviets murder of the Ukrainian people, the Great Purge in the Soviet Union, Mao's killings in China. The number of people the Communists killed far outnumbered the number of Jews the Nazis put to death, yet those deaths are rarely ever mentioned. Why?.......I think it's because the Jews, the liberals, the socialists, all still have Communist sympathies to a certain degree, and do not like to see the name of communism attached to anything bad.
Who was the member on here 3-4 weeks ago beetching about the "crying jew" commercials are back on the air just in time for Christmas? Let's take the pitchforks to him too.
Somebody with a search tool. I would but Rick cockblocks me from my search tool.
That would be me. I just don’t like mealy mouthed frauds, regardless of ethnicity. But.... if it makes me an anti Semite to anyone then that bothers me not at all.
Like most folks, I’m fond of people like myself..... and I’m not a Jew.
The hatred toward Jews displayed ny TRH is puzzling to me, but even more puzzling is the vehemence of those members chastising him.
Just like with Negroes, it’s OK for Jews to make fun of themselves and to lend credibility to their stereotypes,but if anyone else does it, they’re a racist.
Generally speaking,Negroes have big lips and Jews have big noses. To me that statement is an observation, but to some of you it will be racist speech.
i was taught a "bit" about the hebraic history (old testament type) by a freed member of the wwii group of jews that got incarcerated from the polish side of the organization.
please know that not every one sees the world like everyone else. it's just not structured like that.
(at least not anymore). what we've got here is a failure to communicate.
if only prez johnson could return, to help set the world aright.
Who was the member on here 3-4 weeks ago beetching about the "crying jew" commercials are back on the air just in time for Christmas? Let's take the pitchforks to him too.
Somebody with a search tool. I would but Rick cockblocks me from my search tool.
That would be me. I just don’t like mealy mouthed frauds, regardless of ethnicity. But.... if it makes me an anti Semite to anyone then that bothers me not at all.
Like most folks, I’m fond of people like myself..... and I’m not a Jew.
The hatred toward Jews displayed ny TRH is puzzling to me, but even more puzzling is the vehemence of those members chastising him.
Just like with Negroes, it’s OK for Jews to make fun of themselves and to lend credibility to their stereotypes,but if anyone else does it, they’re a racist.
Generally speaking,Negroes have big lips and Jews have big noses. To me that statement is an observation, but to some of you it will be racist speech.
I was just eating lunch and seen a commercial asking for donations for holocaust survivors . Now I'm not trying to be a dick but aren't they taken care of by several government programs from several countries ?
There are several charities that claim to help Jews relocate to Israel from places where they are oppressed.
I have seen several fund raising commercials for a charity called the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews that claims to help Jews relocate from Russia to Israel.
There are lots of sad stories in the World, many of them true and some that are used by unscrupulous people for their own advantage. When my Mother's ovarian cancer had metastasized to her brain, her decision making ability failed and several charities took advantage of her. That experience gave me a negative bias toward most charities and when I give, I give close to home and to charities that actually spend the majority of the donations on their stated mission, rather than paying for the senior leadership to live opulent lifestyles.
I would recommend checking any charity that you're considering supporting on www.charitynavigator.org before you donate. Even charities with good intentions can go off track if the leadership starts to feel entitled to a bigger share of the pie. It happened to Wounded Warriors not long ago and the CEO and COO were forced out after dipping too deeply into the till.
I understand what you're saying, guess some of my confusion comes from the rabib auto-fire defense of jews when ALL peoples have been savaged by wars and the formation of countries, AND the good book says NO man shall enter Gods kingdom except through the Son, meaning to me, no one is special, we are all equally worthless, therefore should receive the same representation.
I've never heard anyone procalim, Oh the poor Irish!
Pavlovian behavior, as TRH puts it, is another favorite tactic of facists and communists, that is, to demean and denigrate the opinions of people who don't agree with them.
...Not that *you* would ever do that, of course....Lotta people here afraid of discussion.
No, I wouldn't, because an opinion is just that. Where I draw the line is where people start making statements which are factually false and destructive. Then, I call them pieces of scheit.
I'm not afraid of discussion. Nor am I afraid of a healthy, passionate debate, but don't drag out propaganda, innuendo, and lies as "facts"
In his posts here on the 'Fire, TRH presents the face of a die-hard fascist and bolsters his ideals with information that is patently false, some half-truths, and some outright lies.
Pavlovian behavior, as TRH puts it, is another favorite tactic of facists and communists, that is, to demean and denigrate the opinions of people who don't agree with them.
...Not that *you* would ever do that, of course....Lotta people here afraid of discussion.
No, I wouldn't, because an opinion is just that. Where I draw the line is where people start making statements which are factually false and destructive. Then, I call them pieces of scheit.
I'm not afraid of discussion. Nor am I afraid of a healthy, passionate debate, but don't drag out propaganda, innuendo, and lies as "facts"
In his posts here on the 'Fire, TRH presents the face of a die-hard fascist and bolsters his ideals with information that is patently false, some half-truths, and some outright lies.
Pavlovian behavior, as TRH puts it, is another favorite tactic of facists and communists, that is, to demean and denigrate the opinions of people who don't agree with them.
...Not that *you* would ever do that, of course....Lotta people here afraid of discussion.
No, I wouldn't, because an opinion is just that. Where I draw the line is where people start making statements which are factually false and destructive. Then, I call them pieces of scheit.
I'm not afraid of discussion. Nor am I afraid of a healthy, passionate debate, but don't drag out propaganda, innuendo, and lies as "facts"
In his posts here on the 'Fire, TRH presents the face of a die-hard fascist and bolsters his ideals with information that is patently false, some half-truths, and some outright lies.
I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Ed
trh, whom i seldom agree with, but whom i respect greatly because of his consistent belief system, does present his views on an open forum.
is he correct? is anyone else correct?
so what, no matter, he's expressing his rights to communicate.
disprove anything he says if one so chooses.
what we're dealing with here is a right to express ourselves.
I have no problem with Hawkeye, he has the right to believe as he so chooses.......just as I and everyone else on here have the right to believe as we do. My grandparents believed, to the day that they died, that the 3 greatest Americans who ever lived were Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The first two because they were the leaders of the South, and FDR because in their mind, having lived through the Great Depression, they thought FDR had saved the rural people.
We know today what FDR was, and among us Conservatives, his name doesn't mean much. But, to people who were suffering through a very hard time, someone who comes along and gives them a helping hand......and FDR did just that......is going to be remembered well. So, this is a free country, and one is free to choose to believe as they may.
Pavlovian behavior, as TRH puts it, is another favorite tactic of facists and communists, that is, to demean and denigrate the opinions of people who don't agree with them.
...Not that *you* would ever do that, of course....Lotta people here afraid of discussion.
No, I wouldn't, because an opinion is just that. Where I draw the line is where people start making statements which are factually false and destructive. Then, I call them pieces of scheit.
I'm not afraid of discussion. Nor am I afraid of a healthy, passionate debate, but don't drag out propaganda, innuendo, and lies as "facts"
In his posts here on the 'Fire, TRH presents the face of a die-hard fascist and bolsters his ideals with information that is patently false, some half-truths, and some outright lies.
I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Ed
trh, whom i seldom agree with, but whom i respect greatly because of his consistent belief system, does present his views on an open forum.
is he correct? is anyone else correct?
so what, no matter, he's expressing his rights to communicate.
disprove anything he says if one so chooses.
what we're dealing with here is a right to express ourselves.
Gus, Agree 100%. I believe the Holocaust happened. But I also believe that "free speech" can seem offensive to some at times but should still be protected. Witness Progressive's attempts to castrate the First Amendment with the concept of "hate speech."
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, 1906 (mistakenly attributed to Patrick Henry and Voltaire)
The essence of my belief is the same as that quote. As pointed out, I have no objection to another expressing their opinion, where they cross the line is expressing their opinion as fact(s), when those facts are proven beyond any doubt.
IMHO, there is no such thing as "hate speech". That is merely a tool used by both Communists and Fascists to bully and restrict free speech.
Ed, I don't believe RTH is correct at all in his assertion that the Holocaust was somehow contrived instead of historical fact. I also don't believe his views as concerns modern day Israel.
If the Bolsheviks seize control of America and install their own brand of fascism. We well know what will become of us.
The Bolsheviks will first destroy western culture by inundating its population with vast numbers of third world immigrants,...as has already begun.
"Replacement genocide"
"Fascism" was actually a defensive reaction to Bolshevism. It's not a form of it.
I well know the official definition of "Fascist" as invented by the Italians.
I was using the popular meaning which covers forms of oppressive gov't which control the press and kill any members of the population who dare speak out against the controlling party.
Mao, Stalin, Castro, and Kim Jong-un are widely recognized as leaders of fascist regimes, as well as Hitler and Mussilini.
I think the Jews have done a good job of always making sure that the Holocaust was always in the forefront, and the other atrocities relegated to "second class" status.
The nazi camps which there were many, are estimated to be responsible for about twice as many deaths in total as the claimed number of jews...yet the jews only seem to talk about themselves as being victims of camps...(and it has upset some jews when I asked them why they largely ignore the several millions of other camp victims.)
The estimated number of deaths for WW2 is 60 million +,.... 45 million of that being civilians. then you have the many millions of survivors that were wounded or maimed.
If you say to some jews , lets put jewish deaths into perspective regarding civilian casualties for the whole war, that upsets them also!...they don't want to talk about any other victims but themselves.
I’ve been to Dachau and while it wasn’t an Aushwitz style extermination camp it certainly didn’t look fake. The GI’s that liberated the camps didn’t think it was staged, the documentation that the Germans kept (they were meticulous record keepers) didn’t elude to this being a big charade and out of every single Nazi brought up on war crimes charges (not just Nuremberg) not one EVER said “it didn’t happen”. They were only following orders....or it was their “job” .....or it was wartime and the Jews, homos and gypsies were their enemies, those were some of the Nazi’s excuses but never did they claim that it didn’t happen.
To minimize the tragedy of the holocaust is insensitive, ignorant and just plain wrong.
PS...Stating the truth doesn’t comment on ones’ likes or dislikes of Jews or the power and control they hold over world bodies, nor does the holocaust justify an eternity of guilt driven favors or political reparations cloaked as “aid”. That’s a separate argument and one that is mostly comprised of emotion and opinion, much different than arguing that the holocaust was fake, staged or insignificant.
12+ hours. For consideration by those with an open mind. All sources listed in credits in last part. Most will not invest the time or effort to seek out information that is contrary to their worldview. Perhaps it's just easier for them that way.
I myself am smack dab in the middle of processing this info and am admittedly facing questions that are not easy to deal with, given that they bring into doubt all that I was taught growing up (public schools can't be instruments of propoganda and disinformation, right?). The documentation of what the Jewish press says when they think they're only speaking to other Jews is eye opening to say the least. For those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
Why did General Patton say we had defeated the wrong enemy? What do his personal diary and letters indicate? Did Patton really say this, "If what we are doing (to the Germans) is liberty, then give me death. I can't see how Americans can sink so low. It is Semitic and I am sure of it." What happened at the end of the war to the German people as a result of Churchill's 2 stage carpet bombing? How many died? Were these strategic targets or not? What was the purpose for those missions? Why were Patton and Montgomery told to wait to enter Berlin and what was happening on the Eastern front at the hands of Stalin's red army as they swept Westward? Who was responsible for the Katyn Forest massacre? Were there any top advisors to FDR, Churchill, Stalin that were Jewish? Did they have an agenda? What was the boycott of German goods and services that began in 1933 all about and who initiated it? How many times did Hitler state that he did not want war? To what ends did he go to communicate that? Who refused his pleas for peace?
Not saying I have any of the answers, but it sure has got me to wondering what exactly the real truth is. One thing I do know is that the winners get to write the history books.
Some more from America's "most fightingest General":
His duties as military governor took Patton to all parts of Germany and intimately acquainted him with the German people and their condition. He could not help but compare them with the French, the Italians, the Belgians, and even the British. This comparison gradually forced him to the conclusion that World War II had been fought against the wrong people.
After a visit to ruined Berlin, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945: "Berlin gave me the blues. We have destroyed what could have been a good race, and we are about to replace them with Mongolian savages. And all Europe will be communist. It's said that for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed."
This conviction, that the politicians had used him and the U.S. Army for a criminal purpose, grew in the following weeks. During a dinner with French General Alphonse Juin in August, Patton was surprised to find the Frenchman in agreement with him. His diary entry for August 18 quotes Gen. Juin: "It is indeed unfortunate, mon General, that the English and the Americans have destroyed in Europe the only sound country - and I do not mean France. Therefore, the road is now open for the advent of Russian communism."
Later diary entries and letters to his wife reiterate this same conclusion. On August 31 he wrote: "Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe. it's a choice between them and the Russians. I prefer the Germans." And on September 2: "What we are doing is to destroy the only semi-modern state in Europe, so that Russia can swallow the whole."
By this time the Morgenthauists and media monopolists had decided that Patton was incorrigible and must be discredited. So they began a non-stop hounding of him in the press, a la Watergate, accusing him of being "soft on Nazis" and continually recalling an incident in which he had slapped a shirker two years previously, during the Sicily campaign. A New York newspaper printed the completely false claim that when Patton had slapped the soldier who was Jewish, he had called him a "yellow-bellied Jew."
Then, in a press conference on September 22, reporters hatched a scheme to needle Patton into losing his temper and making statements which could be used against him. The scheme worked. The press interpreted one of Patton's answers to their insistent questions as to why he was not pressing the Nazi-hunt hard enough as: "The Nazi thing is just like a Democrat-Republican fight." The New York Times headlined this quote, and other papers all across America picked it up.
The unmistakable hatred which had been directed at him during this press conference finally opened Patton's eyes fully as to what was afoot. In his diary that night lie wrote:
"There is a very apparent Semitic influence in the press. They are trying to do two things: first, implement communism, and second, see that all businessmen of German ancestry and non-Jewish antecedents are thrown out of their jobs.
"They have utterly lost the Anglo-Saxon conception of justice and feel that a man can be kicked out because somebody else says he is a Nazi. They were evidently quite shocked when I told them I would kick nobody out without the successful proof of guilt before a court of law . . .
"Another point which the press harped on was the fact that we were doing too much for the Germans to the detriment of the DP's, most of whom are Jews. I could not give the answer to that one, because the answer is that, in my opinion and that of most nonpolitical officers, it is vitally necessary for us to build Germany up now as a buffer state against Russia. In fact, I am afraid we have waited too long."
And in a letter of the same date to his wife: "I will probably be in the headlines before you get this, as the press is trying to quote me as being more interested in restoring order in Germany than in catching Nazis. I can't tell them the truth that unless we restore Germany we will insure that communism takes America."
Eisenhower responded immediately to the press outcry against Patton and made the decision to relieve him of his duties as military governor and "kick him upstairs" as the commander of the Fifteenth Army. In a letter to his wife on September 29, Patton indicated that he was, in a way, not unhappy with his new assignment, because "I would like it much better than being a sort of executioner to the best race in Europe."
On October 22 he wrote a long letter to Maj. Gen. James G. Harbord, who was back in the States. In the letter Patton bitterly condemned the Morgenthau policy; Eisenhower's pusillanimous behavior in the face of Jewish demands; the strong pro-Soviet bias in the press; and the politicization, corruption, degradation, and demoralization of the U.S. Army which these things were causing.
He saw the demoralization of the Army as a deliberate goal of America's enemies:
"I have been just as furious as you at the compilation of lies which the communist and Semitic elements of our government have leveled against me and practically every other commander. In my opinion it is a deliberate attempt to alienate the soldier vote from the commanders, because the communists know that soldiers are not communistic, and they fear what eleven million votes (of veterans) would do."
In his letter to Harbord, Patton also revealed his own plans to fight those who were destroying the morale and integrity of the Army and endangering America's future by not opposing the growing Soviet might:
"It is my present thought . . . that when I finish this job, which will be around the first of the year, I shall resign, not retire, because if I retire I will still have a gag in my mouth . . . I should not start a limited counterattack, which would be contrary to my military theories, but should wait until I can start an all-out offensive . . . ."
But of course, nobody here on the 'fire admires Patton, so you can just ignore his take on what happened...
I wasn't going to post any more on this subject, but nice post Whip. I don't know what your conclusions will be, but at least you are looking at both sides of the issue. If you continue this endeavor you will soon discover another side to this. Have you read the book; Other Losses ? What was General Dwight Eisenhower's ancestory?
Ya'll can say what you want about Hawkeye, but he does not, at least in my recollection, call names and pitch hissy fits at people when he argues with them.
Meanwhile, the peanut gallery has done everything from call for his banning from the fire up to his being beaten "almost but not quite" to death in addition to calling him every name in the book.
All this for expressing an opinion questioning the "official" version of history. And this is supposed to be a "conservative, libertarian leaning forum", who otherwise accepts that the government lies to us all the time.
THIS is what did it for me. And it is not the only time TRH has called for the extermination of Israel. At the time I called him “Sick.”
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye #9053788 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.
Ya'll can say what you want about Hawkeye, but he does not, at least in my recollection, call names and pitch hissy fits at people when he argues with them.
Meanwhile, the peanut gallery has done everything from call for his banning from the fire up to his being beaten "almost but not quite" to death in addition to calling him every name in the book.
All this for expressing an opinion questioning the "official" version of history. And this is supposed to be a "conservative, libertarian leaning forum", who otherwise accepts that the government lies to us all the time.
THIS is what did it for me. And it is not the only time TRH has called for the extermination of Israel. At the time I called him “Sick.”
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye #9053788 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.
I don't see this as name calling. I believe Hawkeye is referring to the Israeli State as in Israeli. I don't believe that Israel and Israeli are the same thing.
But, back to what you just implied. Are you saying that individuals can have their opinion, even have the right to voice it, but if it doesn't agree with yours or the party line, they are "sick".
There is certainly a deep connection between Communism and members of the "elites" who are Jews. Those elites had strong allies in FDR and Eleanor, and the "Deep State" at that time continued their work to further Communism even after Truman took over and into Eisenhower's presidency. That work continues to this day.
I'm not sure it was solely the work of being a Jew, but of being Communists, that removed Patton and halted our fight against Communism.
Patton had his flaws, but he publicly recognized the real threats and had started working on strategies to turn the fight to the Soviets once the Nazi's were defeated. I am one who believes that Patton's death was not an accident.
He was a public hero who was about to unleash the truth on the American people and the Communists could not allow that to happen.
A piece of the puzzle for me would be to determine just when the rise of Communism among American Jews began. I don't see the Socialist/Communist behavior in American Jews until the Soviet Jews fled the religious pogroms of the Soviets. That's the same time the calls for the re-establishment of Israel as a nation began affecting the thinking process of the Brits, the French, and our own government, but it was the Brits and French who divvied up the Middle East, effectively creating the new nation of Israel, and redrawing the maps of the M.E. to suit their own financial interests.
I'm also wondering if it was done as a way for the Brits and French to herd the Jews out of Europe?
There is so much history that we do not have access to, some of it because it would raise complete Hell with today's politics and reveal who the real enemies of freedom are.
Ya'll can say what you want about Hawkeye, but he does not, at least in my recollection, call names and pitch hissy fits at people when he argues with them.
Meanwhile, the peanut gallery has done everything from call for his banning from the fire up to his being beaten "almost but not quite" to death in addition to calling him every name in the book.
All this for expressing an opinion questioning the "official" version of history. And this is supposed to be a "conservative, libertarian leaning forum", who otherwise accepts that the government lies to us all the time.
THIS is what did it for me. And it is not the only time TRH has called for the extermination of Israel. At the time I called him “Sick.”
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye #9053788 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.
I don't see this as name calling. I believe Hawkeye is referring to the Israeli State as in Israeli. I don't believe that Israel and Israeli are the same thing.
But, back to what you just implied. Are you saying that individuals can have their opinion, even have the right to voice it, but if it doesn't agree with yours or the party line, they are "sick".
Anyone who wants to exterminate any country, wipe it from the face of the Earth, is SICK. TRH is the only person I have ever called that. He wants God to do it for him. Anyone who calls any country a "curse to the world" is SICK.
You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.
I have never been a huge fan of George Patton, but he was right in his assessment of the Soviets. Many deals, both on and under the table, were cut in WW2, mostly by the Allies to appease the Soviets. The world paid for those deals dearly in the years following the war. I'm not an expert, nor am I well read on the subject enough to give more than my opinion......but I am of the opinion that we let the Soviets have too much influence, and I believe they should have been held accountable for the atrocities they committed during the war.
That is why that today, I cannot have any love whatsoever for Russia or Putin, as they are in many ways, just as big of a snake in the grass as was the Soviet Union.
Ya'll can say what you want about Hawkeye, but he does not, at least in my recollection, call names and pitch hissy fits at people when he argues with them.
Meanwhile, the peanut gallery has done everything from call for his banning from the fire up to his being beaten "almost but not quite" to death in addition to calling him every name in the book.
All this for expressing an opinion questioning the "official" version of history. And this is supposed to be a "conservative, libertarian leaning forum", who otherwise accepts that the government lies to us all the time.
THIS is what did it for me. And it is not the only time TRH has called for the extermination of Israel. At the time I called him “Sick.”
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye #9053788 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.
I don't see this as name calling. I believe Hawkeye is referring to the Israeli State as in Israeli. I don't believe that Israel and Israeli are the same thing.
But, back to what you just implied. Are you saying that individuals can have their opinion, even have the right to voice it, but if it doesn't agree with yours or the party line, they are "sick".
Anyone who wants to exterminate any country, wipe it from the face of the Earth, is SICK. TRH is the only person I have ever called that. He wants God to do it for him. Anyone who calls any country a "curse to the world" is SICK.
Really? Does that make God sick for having that very thing done in the old Testament? I've heard many references to exterminating muslim countries without any cry of those preporting it that they were sick. It appears to me that it is a party line thing. Maybe you should research into why Hawkeye is making those statements just to see if you can figure out where he's coming from and did he jump the tracks or does he have a legitimate point.
You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.
--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Originally Posted by Bristoe
You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.
You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.
--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Have you checked out the International Red Cross Archives concerning this slaughter? It will make you sick. They waded in blood up to their ankles of slaughtered Russians, men, women, children, and babies.
Interesting that all the original speeches of Hitler in the linked "Europa" video espousing national and cultural pride sound a lot like the speeches that POTUS has made both before and after the election touching on the same subjects. Interesting too that just a few days ago in Davos, noted globalist Merkel denounced the current nationalism and right wing populism and called it a poison.
So, if history truly does repeat itself, what exactly is happening currently and why are libs calling POTUS the next Hitler? Calling conservatives nazi and racist? What is the expected elicited response of conservatives to these statements? Could it be similar to being called an anti-semite?
Regarding the claim that 6,000,000 jews were killed in the holocaust, where did they get that number? Who did the math? Was there ever a reference to 6,000,000 persecuted jews before the holocaust and if so, what and where...what is the history in Jewish literature to that number?
Anyways, since I'm not the smartest guy, maybe you all can help me out with these. I'm really just scratching my head here, but, at least to my eyes, a picture is emerging here.
That is why that today, I cannot have any love whatsoever for Russia or Putin, as they are in many ways, just as big of a snake in the grass as was the Soviet Union.
More truth is coming out of Russia these days than you'll get from CNN. Russia has already been through its ordeal from the Bolsheviks. At this point, Russia is just watching how America's Bolshevik revolution is transpiring. The methods being used on America and western Europe is different than those which took place in 1917 Russia. Modern times require a modern approach.
The first goal of the Bolsheviks in the west is to break down cultural unity by flooding the western countries with mass immigration from the third world.
A large part of western Europe has already been destroyed by this tactic. The U.S.A. is just one more Communist White House occupant away from suffering the same fate as France and Germany.
Observe Negroes who have nothing in common with other Negroes, from other cultures and opposite sides of the globe, and it’s obvious how powerful a unifier is RACE.
Observe the Muslim terrorists and it’s obvious what a powerful unifier is RELIGION.
When both of these are combined in a people blessed with above average intelligence, the power of the Jewish Agenda is understandable.
The secular Jew manipulates these forces to enrich himself personally and is the most counterfeit son of a bitch on the planet.
And that’s why we have The Begging Jew.
What is puzzling to me is the hatred displayed by some forum members in defending the Jewish Agenda.Maybe Jewish names behind their screen names?
Dog: I am FAR from being a jewish propagandist. In fact quite the opposite. I OPPOSED the formation of the state of Israel, but once established, I view it as a tool, first against the Soviets and now Islamic terror (and no I DO NOT buy into the bullshit that no Israel, no terror. These bastards have been trying to kill us since the Crusades when there was NO Israel. BUT...when brainwashed kooks like TRH say there was no holocaust, no gas chambers, etc it's not only patently absurd, but its an insult to the millions who died trying to stop this.
That is why that today, I cannot have any love whatsoever for Russia or Putin, as they are in many ways, just as big of a snake in the grass as was the Soviet Union.
More truth is coming out of Russia these days than you'll get from CNN. Russia has already been through its ordeal from the Bolsheviks. At this point, Russia is just watching how America's Bolshevik revolution is transpiring. The methods being used on America and western Europe is different than those which took place in 1917 Russia. Modern times require a modern approach.
The first goal of the Bolsheviks in the west is to break down cultural unity by flooding the western countries with mass immigration from the third world.
A large part of western Europe has already been destroyed by this tactic. The U.S.A. is just one more Communist White House occupant away from suffering the same fate as France and Germany.
Bristoe, I'll admit that part of my fear, and to a lesser degree, hatred, of any and all things Russian, goes back to the era I grew up in. I remember very well all the drills we had and the films we watched concerning a nuclear attack by the Soviets. I remember seeing the fallout shelters, the emergency food and water, and all else that was associated it. I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, and listening to the television one night before bedtime, about how close we were to war with the USSR. Our house was in the flight path of planes taking off from nearby Ft Campbell, and I can still remember hearing scores of planes passing overhead during the night, ferrying the 101st to Florida. I lay there wondering if any of us would be alive come morning.
I know there is a difference between the old Soviet Union and Russia today......but I do not, and I never will trust any of those Eastern European Communist basturds. I don't differentiate between any of them.
That is why that today, I cannot have any love whatsoever for Russia or Putin, as they are in many ways, just as big of a snake in the grass as was the Soviet Union.
More truth is coming out of Russia these days than you'll get from CNN. Russia has already been through its ordeal from the Bolsheviks. At this point, Russia is just watching how America's Bolshevik revolution is transpiring. The methods being used on America and western Europe is different than those which took place in 1917 Russia. Modern times require a modern approach.
The first goal of the Bolsheviks in the west is to break down cultural unity by flooding the western countries with mass immigration from the third world.
A large part of western Europe has already been destroyed by this tactic. The U.S.A. is just one more Communist White House occupant away from suffering the same fate as France and Germany.
Bristoe, I'll admit that part of my fear, and to a lesser degree, hatred, of any and all things Russian, goes back to the era I grew up in. I remember very well all the drills we had and the films we watched concerning a nuclear attack by the Soviets. I remember seeing the fallout shelters, the emergency food and water, and all else that was associated it. I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, and listening to the television one night before bedtime, about how close we were to war with the USSR. Our house was in the flight path of planes taking off from nearby Ft Campbell, and I can still remember hearing scores of planes passing overhead during the night, ferrying the 101st to Florida. I lay there wondering if any of us would be alive come morning.
I know there is a difference between the old Soviet Union and Russia today......but I do not, and I never will trust any of those Eastern European Communist basturds. I don't differentiate between any of them.
All as a result of the Bolsheviks defeating the Nationalists during WW2,....with a lot of assistance from FDR, or course.
Dog: I am FAR from being a jewish propagandist. In fact quite the opposite. I OPPOSED the formation of the state of Israel, but once established, I view it as a tool, first against the Soviets and now Islamic terror (and no I DO NOT buy into the bullshit that no Israel, no terror. These bastards have been trying to kill us since the Crusades when there was NO Israel. BUT...when brainwashed kooks like TRH say there was no holocaust, no gas chambers, etc it's not only patently absurd, but its an insult to the millions who died trying to stop this.
TRH brings scorn on himself by some of his silly assed notions, like denying the Jewish Holocaust, and I choose to just ignore him on that score.
But there are other members who take a more reasoned approach, like questioning the number, or pointing out other, larger, atrocities, and they are branded with the dreaded “Anti-Semite” iron just like TRH.
The Souix have as valid a claim to the Black Hills as the Jews have to Israel, but it was not in OUR interest to allow it.And it was never in OUR interest to award the Jews a homeland.
But, you are right about the Ragheads wanting to kill us long before modern Israel was founded.
And it was never in OUR interest to award the Jews a homeland.
It wasn't in America's interest to become aligned with Stalin during WW2 either,...as evidenced by our brush with nuclear war with the Soviet Union 17 years after the end of WW2.
Thanks to the "Rosenbergs" (shalom) giving them America's nuclear technology.
The holocaust numbers of killed jews are accurate. The Germans were in charge and there are copious, meticulous and accurate records. Bristoe, it wasn't just the Rosenbergs. There were other "juden" in the program that leaked secrets as well, including Oppenheimer.
Dog: I am FAR from being a jewish propagandist. In fact quite the opposite. I OPPOSED the formation of the state of Israel, but once established, I view it as a tool, first against the Soviets and now Islamic terror (and no I DO NOT buy into the bullshit that no Israel, no terror. These bastards have been trying to kill us since the Crusades when there was NO Israel. BUT...when brainwashed kooks like TRH say there was no holocaust, no gas chambers, etc it's not only patently absurd, but its an insult to the millions who died trying to stop this.
That is why that today, I cannot have any love whatsoever for Russia or Putin, as they are in many ways, just as big of a snake in the grass as was the Soviet Union.
More truth is coming out of Russia these days than you'll get from CNN. Russia has already been through its ordeal from the Bolsheviks. At this point, Russia is just watching how America's Bolshevik revolution is transpiring. The methods being used on America and western Europe is different than those which took place in 1917 Russia. Modern times require a modern approach.
The first goal of the Bolsheviks in the west is to break down cultural unity by flooding the western countries with mass immigration from the third world.
A large part of western Europe has already been destroyed by this tactic. The U.S.A. is just one more Communist White House occupant away from suffering the same fate as France and Germany.
...TRH brings scorn on himself by some of his silly assed notions, like denying the Jewish Holocaust, and I choose to just ignore him on that score.
But there are other members who take a more quasi-reasoned approach, like questioning the number, or pointing out other, larger, atrocities, and they are branded with the dreaded “Anti-Semite” iron just like TRH...
Fixed it...
That's because the people doing the branding cannot escape the trap of someone questioning a matter being a proponent of that matter.
"If you question what I say, then you must be a supporter of this evil thing" would be their motto. Much the same with folks who would brand either you or I with some derogatory term because we choose to carefully examine the where's, when's, and why's of the Bible.
I do find it a deflection/distraction for folks to bring up other,and far greater, genocides than the Holocaust as if it would make it less important and thus a non-issue.
Much like the alcohol vs. marijuana debate. Start talking about pot abuse and immediately the pot supporters jump up and tell us how bad alcohol is.
Dog: I am FAR from being a jewish propagandist. In fact quite the opposite. I OPPOSED the formation of the state of Israel, but once established, I view it as a tool, first against the Soviets and now Islamic terror (and no I DO NOT buy into the bullshit that no Israel, no terror. These bastards have been trying to kill us since the Crusades when there was NO Israel. BUT...when brainwashed kooks like TRH say there was no holocaust, no gas chambers, etc it's not only patently absurd, but its an insult to the millions who died trying to stop this.
TRH brings scorn on himself by some of his silly assed notions, like denying the Jewish Holocaust, and I choose to just ignore him on that score.
But there are other members who take a more reasoned approach, like questioning the number, or pointing out other, larger, atrocities, and they are branded with the dreaded “Anti-Semite” iron just like TRH.
The Souix have as valid a claim to the Black Hills as the Jews have to Israel, but it was not in OUR interest to allow it.And it was never in OUR interest to award the Jews a homeland.
But, you are right about the Ragheads wanting to kill us long before modern Israel was founded.
A gradual realization that the six million number was total BS was only an early stage in my journey of discovery. Keep researching, dog, and you'll arrive at the same place I find myself on this question, i.e., there was no national program of extermination of the Jewish race. That was Soviet propaganda that the Western Allies decided to join in on for reasons of their own, later to become official WWII history. That's not to deny in the least the existence of an anti-Jewish program in National Socialist Germany involving work camps, followed by mass deaths from poor conditions and disease, due mainly to cut off supply lines in the last months of the war. Gas chambers were merely part of Soviet propaganda. Just make a small effort to research the facts and you will find that this is in fact the case.
I had not posted on this thread until now. However, some of the comments are just too much "over the top."
First, everyone has a right to express his/her own opinions. It's a free country. TRH, K22, and Whip, among others, have a right to be ignorant and stupid.
Now you know my opinion!
Some ridiculous things gotten posted here. The holocaust actually did happen. 6,000,000 Jews (give or take) were killed by a deliberate government policy to wipe out a whole race.
The Jews or Israelis have NEVER said that murdering of Jews should be more remembered than other groups targeted for extermination, like the Gypsies killed by Germany, the Armenians killed by the Turks in 1915, and others.
Communism is NOT an offshoot of Judaism. Anyone who thinks so should explain the background of Josef Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. Hey! Those guys didn't keep kosher.
As for Patton, he was relieved of command at least twice for being an azz. If we had launched a world war against the USSR in 1945, a war in which our casualties probably would have exceeded our casualties in WWII, how many seconds do you think it would have taken for President Truman to be impeached? Oh yes. then we would have had to pacify Russia. Just look at how successful we have been pacifying Iraq or Afghanistan! Patton was an anti-Semite. So what? Hitler was too. And TRH, apparently.
Then we have the old "destroy all the Jews because the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense. Sirs, Jesus was executed by the Roman Army, under the command of the Roman governor of that province. Some Jews agreed with that. Some disagreed. Ever heard of Palm Sunday? Duh. In general the ones closely allied with the Roman government agreed and the people didn't. How do I know? Ever read the New Testament?
And even if they did, what kind of idiot would hold someone born in the 20th century responsible for some crime committed by a distant ancestor 2000 years ago?
And at last we come to the question of why so many Jews are prominent in business, finance, government, and the like. It happens to be a fact that Ashkenazi Jews (that is, European ones) have IQs about 15 points above other Caucasians on average. Now all, but average. That would explain why many of them excel in various things. (Israelis have won 192 Nobel Prizes for achievement in the Sciences, excluding the feel good ones, like the Peace Prize won by Obama. Citizens of all 57 Moslem nations have won exactly 3, but that's another subject.)
The 15-point IQ spread does not apply to all members of either group. Some are higher and some are lower. Reading some of these posts had convinced me that it might be 50 points for some in northern Florida.
I had not posted on this thread until now. However, some of the comments are just too much "over the top."
First, everyone has a right to express his/her own opinions. It's a free country. TRH, K22, and Whip, among others, have a right to be ignorant and stupid.
Now you know my opinion!
Some ridiculous things gotten posted here. The holocaust actually did happen. 6,000,000 Jews (give or take) were killed by a deliberate government policy to wipe out a whole race.
The Jews or Israelis have NEVER said that murdering of Jews should be more remembered than other groups targeted for extermination, like the Gypsies killed by Germany, the Armenians killed by the Turks in 1915, and others.
Communism is NOT an offshoot of Judaism. Anyone who thinks so should explain the background of Josef Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. Hey! Those guys didn't keep kosher.
As for Patton, he was relieved of command at least twice for being an azz. If we had launched a world war against the USSR in 1945, a war in which our casualties probably would have exceeded our casualties in WWII, how many seconds do you think it would have taken for President Truman to be impeached? Oh yes. then we would have had to pacify Russia. Just look at how successful we have been pacifying Iraq or Afghanistan! Patton was an anti-Semite. So what? Hitler was too. And TRH, apparently.
Then we have the old "destroy all the Jews because the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense. Sirs, Jesus was executed by the Roman Army, under the command of the Roman governor of that province. Some Jews agreed with that. Some disagreed. Ever heard of Palm Sunday? Duh. In general the ones closely allied with the Roman government agreed and the people didn't. How do I know? Ever read the New Testament?
And even if they did, what kind of idiot would hold someone born in the 20th century responsible for some crime committed by a distant ancestor 2000 years ago?
And at last we come to the question of why so many Jews are prominent in business, finance, government, and the like. It happens to be a fact that Ashkenazi Jews (that is, European ones) have IQs about 15 points above other Caucasians on average. Now all, but average. That would explain why many of them excel in various things. (Israelis have won 192 Nobel Prizes for achievement in the Sciences, excluding the feel good ones, like the Peace Prize won by Obama. Citizens of all 57 Moslem nations have won exactly 3, but that's another subject.)
The 15-point IQ spread does not apply to all members of either group. Some are higher and some are lower. Reading some of these posts had convinced me that it might be 50 points for some in northern Florida.
That's 3287 a day,...7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 5 years.
,...busy folks.
There were 6 extermination camps so dividing your daily tally that averages less than 550 per day per extermination camp. That doesn’t include the roughly 30-40,000 concentration and “detention” camps. So let’s use your numbers and <ignorantly> assume that the concentration and detention camps had zero fatalities during the war and ONLY the extermination camps saw the death of Jews, gypsies and other German “undesirables”. It’s still relatively easy to kill 550 people per day. I don’t know if you’ve ever been east of Ocracoke but it you had seen in person the German efficiency of killing you might have a more informed opinion, otherwise you’re just another guy that got his “information” second, third and fourth hand....also known as a news educated, propaganda licking historian.
Did hitler escape or commit "harry carry?" And if he did escape, why didn't they catch his ass? They (USA) knew Where he was and didn't give a fugg about it.
Then we have the old "destroy all the Jews because the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense. Sirs, Jesus was executed by the Roman Army, under the command of the Roman governor of that province. Some Jews agreed with that. Some disagreed. Ever heard of Palm Sunday? Duh. In general the ones closely allied with the Roman government agreed and the people didn't. How do I know? Ever read the New Testament?
Yes, it was the Romans who crucified Jesus. But, Pilate said "I find no fault in this man" and was going to set him free, but the crowd said "crucify him, crucify him." Almost 2000 years after the death of Jesus, the Jews are still waiting for the Son of God to appear.......say what you want, but the Jews killed Jesus the Son of God, because they did not accept him for who he was.
...The Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Lithuania resulted in the near total destruction of Lithuanian Jews (Litvaks),[a] living in Generalbezirk Litauen of Reichskommissariat Ostland within the Nazi-controlled Lithuanian SSR. Out of approximately 208,000-210,000 Jews, an estimated 190,000–195,000 were murdered before the end of World War II (wider estimates are sometimes published), most between June and December 1941. More than 95% of Lithuania's Jewish population was massacred over the three-year German occupation — a more complete destruction than befell any other country affected by the Holocaust. Historians attribute this to the massive collaboration in the genocide by the non-Jewish local paramilitaries, though the reasons for this collaboration are still debated.[1][2][3][4] The Holocaust resulted in the largest-ever loss of life in so short a period of time in the history of Lithuania.[4]
The events that took place in the western regions of the USSR occupied by Nazi Germany in the first weeks after the German invasion, including Lithuania, marked the sharp intensification of the Holocaust.[5][6][7][b]
An important component to the Holocaust in Lithuania was that the occupying Nazi German administration fanned antisemitism by blaming the Soviet regime's recent annexation of Lithuania, a year earlier, on the Jewish community. Another significant factor was the large extent to which the Nazis' design drew upon the physical organization, preparation and execution of their orders by local Lithuanian auxiliaries of the Nazi occupation regime.[2][3]...
"Destruction of Lithuanian Jewry"
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...Estimated number of victims
Prior to the German invasion, the population of Jews was estimated to be about 210,000,[3] although according to data from the Lithuanian statistics department, as of 1 January 1941 there were 208,000 Jews.[4] This estimate, based on the officially accounted for prewar emigration within the USSR (approx. 8,500), the number of escapees from the Kaunas and Vilnius Ghettos, (1,500-2,000), as well as the number of survivors in the concentration camps when they were liberated by the Red Army, (2,000-3,000), puts the number of Lithuanian Jews murdered in the Holocaust at 195,000 to 196,000.[4] It is difficult to estimate the exact number of casualties of the Holocaust and the latter number cannot be final or indisputable. The numbers given by historians differ significantly ranging from 165,000 to 254,000, the higher number probably including non-Lithuanian Jews among other Reich (empirical) dissenters labeled as Jewish killed in Lithuania.[4]...
"The Holocaust events"
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...Chronologically, the genocide in Lithuania can be divided into three phases: phase 1) summer to the end of 1941; phase 2) December 1941 – March 1943; phase 3) April 1943 – mid-July 1944.[12] The Lithuanian port city of Klaipėda (Memel in German) had historically been a member of the German Hanseatic League, and had belonged to Germany and East Prussia prior to 1918. The city was semi-autonomous during the period of Lithuanian independence, and under League of Nations supervision. Approximately 8,000 Jews lived in Memel when it was absorbed into the Reich on March 15, 1939. Its Jewish residents were expelled, and most fled into Lithuania proper. In 1941, German killing squads, the Einsatzgruppen, followed the advance of the German army units and immediately began organizing the murder of Jews.[6] Kaunas Ninth Fort
Most Lithuanian Jews perished in the first phase during the first months of the occupation and before the end of 1941. The first recorded action of the Einsatzgruppen (Einsatzgruppe A) took place on June 22, 1941, in the border town of Gargzdai (called Gorzdt in Yiddish and Garsden in German), which was one of the oldest Jewish settlements in the country and only 18 kilometres (11 mi) from German-annexed Memel. Approximately 800 Jews were shot that day in what is known as the Garsden Massacre. Approximately 100 non-Jewish Lithuanians were also executed, many for trying to aid their Jewish neighbors.[2][3] About 80,000 Jews were killed by October and about 175,000 by the end of the year.[2] The majority of Jews in Lithuania were not required to live in ghettos[c] nor sent to the Nazi concentration camps which at that time were just in the preliminary stages of operation. Instead they were shot in pits near their places of residence with the most infamous mass murders taking place in the Ninth Fort near Kaunas and the Ponary Forest near Vilnius.[6][13][14] By 1942 about 45,000 Jews survived, largely those who had been sent to ghettos and camps.[c] In the second phase, the Holocaust slowed, as Germans decided to use the Jews as forced labor to fuel the German war economy.[15] In the third phase, the destruction of Jews was again given a high priority; it was in that phase that the remaining ghettos and camps were liquidated.
Two factors contributed to the rapid destruction of Lithuanian Jewry. The first was the significant support for the "de-Jewification" of Lithuania coming from the Lithuanian populace.[11][15] The second was the German plan for early colonization of Lithuania – which shared a border with German East Prussia – in accordance with their Generalplan Ost; hence the high priority given to the extermination of the relatively small Lithuanian Jewish community.... [15]
That's 3287 a day,...7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 5 years.
,...busy folks.
There were 6 extermination camps so dividing your daily tally that averages less than 550 per day per extermination camp. That doesn’t include the roughly 30-40,000 concentration and “detention” camps. So let’s use your numbers and <ignorantly> assume that the concentration and detention camps had zero fatalities during the war and ONLY the extermination camps saw the death of Jews, gypsies and other German “undesirables”. It’s still relatively easy to kill 550 people per day. I don’t know if you’ve ever been east of Ocracoke but it you had seen in person the German efficiency of killing you might have a more informed opinion, otherwise you’re just another guy that got his “information” second, third and fourth hand....also known as a news educated, propaganda licking historian.
Think again:
Most people are familiar with the names of the major concentration camps - Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau, and Treblinka, for example - but few realize that these were not the only places where Jews and other prisoners were held by the Nazis. Each of the 23 main camps had subcamps, nearly 900 of them in total. These included camps with euphemistic names, such as “care facilities for foreign children,” where pregnant prisoners were sent for forced abortions.
The Nazis established about 110 camps starting in 1933 to imprison political opponents and other undesirables. The number expanded as the Third Reich expanded and the Germans began occupying parts of Europe. When the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum first began to document all of the camps, the belief was that the list would total approximately 7,000. However, researchers found that the Nazis actually established about 42,500 camps and ghettoes between 1933 and 1945. This figure includes 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettoes, 980 concentration camps; 1,000 POW camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm; Germanizing prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers. Berlin alone had nearly 3,000 camps.
These camps were used for a range of purposes including: forced-labor camps, transit camps which served as temporary way stations, and extermination camps, built primarily or exclusively for mass murder. From its rise to power in 1933, the Nazi regime built a series of detention facilities to imprison and eliminate so-called "enemies of the state." Most prisoners in the early concentration camps were German Communists, Socialists, Social Democrats, Roma (Gypsies), Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, and persons accused of "asocial" or socially deviant behavior. These facilities were called “concentration camps” because those imprisoned there were physically “concentrated” in one location.
Millions of people were imprisoned, abused and systematically murdered in the various types of Nazi camps. Under SS management, the Germans and their collaborators murdered more than three million Jews in the killing centers alone. Only a small fraction of those imprisoned in Nazi camps survived. As many as 15-20 million people may have died in the various camps and ghettoes.
And it was never in OUR interest to award the Jews a homeland.
It wasn't in America's interest to become aligned with Stalin during WW2 either,...as evidenced by our brush with nuclear war with the Soviet Union 17 years after the end of WW2.
Thanks to the "Rosenbergs" (shalom) giving them America's nuclear technology.
Don't forget Klaus Fuchs. From Wikipedia. "Emil Julius Klaus Fuchs (29 December 1911 – 28 January 1988) was a German theoretical physicist and atomic spy who, in 1950, was convicted of supplying information from the American, British, and Canadian Manhattan Project to the Soviet Union during and shortly after the Second World War..."
And another communist and top Soviet spy, was Alger Hiss, head of the U.S. State Dept., and a great friend and advisor of FDR. Hiss funneled top secret information to his communist masters and also was tasked by FDR to write the Charter for the United Nations.
There were many Soviet spies systematically corrupting our government back in the FDR days ... and they and their spawn are still there.
The British had their fair share of communist traitors also beginning with the Cambridge Five, led by their chief communist traitor, Kim Philby, head of MI5. What a macabre joke!!
Dog: I am FAR from being a jewish propagandist. In fact quite the opposite. I OPPOSED the formation of the state of Israel, but once established, I view it as a tool, first against the Soviets and now Islamic terror (and no I DO NOT buy into the bullshit that no Israel, no terror. These bastards have been trying to kill us since the Crusades when there was NO Israel. BUT...when brainwashed kooks like TRH say there was no holocaust, no gas chambers, etc it's not only patently absurd, but its an insult to the millions who died trying to stop this.
I still would like to know the casting dates of those gas chambers.
Indy, I don't believe I have stated that I deny that jews were killed in camps. What is your definition of a holocaust? I posted a lot of easy questions that went unanswered. Why. And that so that is enough to attempt to demonize me. How quaint.
The Israelis main interest is getting rid of Iran. Some of the muslim countries are in the way and the Palestinians are still pissed about being forced to give up part of their country. So, who is Iran? What does the word Iran mean? The Saudi Wahhabist was formed by the Israelis and is Israeli. I don't think I would confuse Israelis with Israel. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and talks like a duck, then by golly I'll call it a duck unless it can prove its a cow.
That's 3287 a day,...7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 5 years.
,...busy folks.
There were 6 extermination camps so dividing your daily tally that averages less than 550 per day per extermination camp. That doesn’t include the roughly 30-40,000 concentration and “detention” camps. So let’s use your numbers and <ignorantly> assume that the concentration and detention camps had zero fatalities during the war and ONLY the extermination camps saw the death of Jews, gypsies and other German “undesirables”. It’s still relatively easy to kill 550 people per day. I don’t know if you’ve ever been east of Ocracoke but it you had seen in person the German efficiency of killing you might have a more informed opinion, otherwise you’re just another guy that got his “information” second, third and fourth hand....also known as a news educated, propaganda licking historian.
Okay,..lets have it your way,...3287 a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 5 years in addition to all the rest.
And I'm being generous by calling it 5 years. Because whatever the Germans did, it wasn't going full tilt for 5 years.
In any event, Hitler was a deadbeat compared to Maoist Communism and the Bolsheviks in Russia. Nobody knows the exact number killed under the oriental Bolsheviks, but 45,000,000 to 65,000,000 is the number that's commonly encountered when you look into it.
,..about the same numbers you find when you look into the numbers killed by the Russian Bolsheviks,...55,000,000, or so.
In modern times, nobody has murdered huge numbers of people like the Communists,....and they're not finished yet,..so keep your powder dry.
Dog: I am FAR from being a jewish propagandist. In fact quite the opposite. I OPPOSED the formation of the state of Israel, but once established, I view it as a tool, first against the Soviets and now Islamic terror (and no I DO NOT buy into the bullshit that no Israel, no terror. These bastards have been trying to kill us since the Crusades when there was NO Israel. BUT...when brainwashed kooks like TRH say there was no holocaust, no gas chambers, etc it's not only patently absurd, but its an insult to the millions who died trying to stop this.
I still would like to know the casting dates of those gas chambers.
Indy, I don't believe I have stated that I deny that jews were killed in camps. What is your definition of a holocaust? I posted a lot of easy questions that went unanswered. Why. And that so that is enough to attempt to demonize me. How quaint.
The Israelis main interest is getting rid of Iran. Some of the muslim countries are in the way and the Palestinians are still pissed about being forced to give up part of their country. So, who is Iran? What does the word Iran mean? The Saudi Wahhabist was formed by the Israelis and is Israeli. I don't think I would confuse Israelis with Israel. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and talks like a duck, then by golly I'll call it a duck unless it can prove its a cow.
If you want to know the definition of Holocaust, look it up in a dictionary. It's something about a government deliberately and systematically killing all members of a race or nationality.
And frankly I miss the point about the casting date of an oven. Who gives a damn? Go through all the thousands of pages of testimony, from the Nuremberg trials through all the later trials all the way up to just a year or two ago. It happened. It was deliberate. It exterminated (I believe the figure is) about 11,000,000 people--on purpose, including 3,500,000 Russian POWs (Hitler let them starve--cheaper than feeding them), a bunch of gypsies, and about 6,000,000 Jews.
And it was never in OUR interest to award the Jews a homeland.
It wasn't in America's interest to become aligned with Stalin during WW2 either,...as evidenced by our brush with nuclear war with the Soviet Union 17 years after the end of WW2.
Thanks to the "Rosenbergs" (shalom) giving them America's nuclear technology.
Don't forget Klaus Fuchs. From Wikipedia. "Emil Julius Klaus Fuchs (29 December 1911 – 28 January 1988) was a German theoretical physicist and atomic spy who, in 1950, was convicted of supplying information from the American, British, and Canadian Manhattan Project to the Soviet Union during and shortly after the Second World War..."
And another communist and top Soviet spy, was Alger Hiss, head of the U.S. State Dept., and a great friend and advisor of FDR. Hiss funneled top secret information to his communist masters and also was tasked by FDR to write the Charter for the United Nations.
There were many Soviet spies systematically corrupting our government back in the FDR days ... and they and their spawn are still there.
The British had their fair share of communist traitors also beginning with the Cambridge Five, led by their chief communist traitor, Kim Philby, head of MI5. What a macabre joke!!
L.W.
Hey Leanwolf,
I hate to rain on your parade but I think you forget to mention that if it were not for JEWISH SCIENTISTS, many of whom had fled Europe in the 1930s (and a lot of non-Jewisn scientists), our country would not ever have had an atomic bomb int he first place.
Are you going to "blame the Jews" for the fact that we didn't lose 750,000 KIA invading Japan (Truman's estimate) because we dropped atom bombs instead?
America has the situation of 1917 Russia on its doorstep,..and the people of America want to spend their time puking the propaganda associated with the last culture that took a stand against the Bolsheviks?
1939 Germany is done,...been done for quite a while.
Whatever you think about it doesn't matter.
It's 2018. Think for today and base your opinions on today.
America is probably done for. It'll be what it be at this point. But I'd hate to see it fold up while its people are ignorant as to "why". The answer is right outside your window. Just look.
The absolute minimum that a killed culture deserves is to know what killed it.
That's 3287 a day,...7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 5 years.
,...busy folks.
In Rwanda a bunch of jungle bunnies managed to kill 500,000-1,000,000 of their countrymen in 100 days. Most of the genocide was done w/ clubs, axes and knives. I guess those jigaboos were better motivated or more efficient than the krauts.
That's 3287 a day,...7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 5 years.
,...busy folks.
In Rwanda a bunch of jungle bunnies managed to kill 500,000-1,000,000 of their countrymen in 100 days Most of the genocide was done w/ clubs, axes and knives. I guess those jigaboos were better motivated or more efficient than the krauts.
mike r
It's called practice. Those Africans have been murdering one another since the beginning of time.
That's 3287 a day,...7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 5 years.
,...busy folks.
In Rwanda a bunch of jungle bunnies managed to kill 500,000-1,000,000 of their countrymen in 100 days. Most of the genocide was done w/ clubs, axes and knives. I guess those jigaboos were better motivated or more efficient than the krauts.
Then we have the old "destroy all the Jews because the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense. Sirs, Jesus was executed by the Roman Army, under the command of the Roman governor of that province. Some Jews agreed with that. Some disagreed. Ever heard of Palm Sunday? Duh. In general the ones closely allied with the Roman government agreed and the people didn't. How do I know? Ever read the New Testament?
Yes, it was the Romans who crucified Jesus. But, Pilate said "I find no fault in this man" and was going to set him free, but the crowd said "crucify him, crucify him." Almost 2000 years after the death of Jesus, the Jews are still waiting for the Son of God to appear.......say what you want, but the Jews killed Jesus the Son of God, because they did not accept him for who he was.
I don't think any serious person would believe that a Roman governor made a decision based on what a "crowd" of non-Roman subjects wanted. Historians believe that this part may have been added years later. It was, after all, very embarrassing for the Romans to take the fall for executing Jesus after their emperor had decreed that Christianity was the required religion of Rome (years later). Rome executed Jesus, as they did other insurrectionists of whom we have records, to prevent an uprising. After all, Jesus had just led a riot at the center of the country (the temple).
If Pilate had let an insurrection get any traction, Rome would have had to send the legions then stationed in Syria to quell it. Such a mess and expense would have ended Pilate's career. (A few decades later an insurrection did get out of hand and the Roman legions basically destroyed the whole country.)
And why mock the Jews for waiting 2000 years for the Son of God to reappear? After all, Christians have waited 2000 years for the second coming, even though it states at least 10 times in the New Testament that Jesus will come again within the lifetimes of those who were then living.
America has the situation of 1917 Russia on its doorstep,..and the people of America want to spend their time puking the propaganda associated with the last culture that took a stand against the Bolsheviks?
1939 Germany is done,...been done for quite a while.
Whatever you think about it doesn't matter.
It's 2018. Think for today and base your opinions on today.
America is probably done for. It'll be what it be at this point. But I'd hate to see it fold up while its people are ignorant as to "why". The answer is right outside your window. Just look.
The absolute minimum that a killed culture deserves is to know what killed it.
You sure have lot of quit in you. No wonder you spend your days getting off on burning trash and reading trash on the internet. Are you aligned w/ Hamas?
Then we have the old "destroy all the Jews because the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense. Sirs, Jesus was executed by the Roman Army, under the command of the Roman governor of that province. Some Jews agreed with that. Some disagreed. Ever heard of Palm Sunday? Duh. In general the ones closely allied with the Roman government agreed and the people didn't. How do I know? Ever read the New Testament?
Yes, it was the Romans who crucified Jesus. But, Pilate said "I find no fault in this man" and was going to set him free, but the crowd said "crucify him, crucify him." Almost 2000 years after the death of Jesus, the Jews are still waiting for the Son of God to appear.......say what you want, but the Jews killed Jesus the Son of God, because they did not accept him for who he was.
I don't think any serious person would believe that a Roman governor made a decision based on what a "crowd" of non-Roman subjects wanted. Historians believe that this part may have been added years later. It was, after all, very embarrassing for the Romans to take the fall for executing Jesus after their emperor had decreed that Christianity was the required religion of Rome (years later). Rome executed Jesus, as they did other insurrectionists of whom we have records, to prevent an uprising. After all, Jesus had just led a riot at the center of the country (the temple).
If Pilate had let an insurrection get any traction, Rome would have had to send the legions then stationed in Syria to quell it. Such a mess and expense would have ended Pilate's career. (A few decades later an insurrection did get out of hand and the Roman legions basically destroyed the whole country.)
And why mock the Jews for waiting 2000 years for the Son of God to reappear? After all, Christians have waited 2000 years for the second coming, even though it states at least 10 times in the New Testament that Jesus will come again within the lifetimes of those who were then living.
Since you seem to be up on Roman law then you know that ours is patterned after it. And under both, it takes "2" witnesses to convict someone. Pilot didn't convict him, the 2 witnesses did. So lets see, which two Romans was it?
America has the situation of 1917 Russia on its doorstep,..and the people of America want to spend their time puking the propaganda associated with the last culture that took a stand against the Bolsheviks?
1939 Germany is done,...been done for quite a while.
Whatever you think about it doesn't matter.
It's 2018. Think for today and base your opinions on today.
America is probably done for. It'll be what it be at this point. But I'd hate to see it fold up while its people are ignorant as to "why". The answer is right outside your window. Just look.
The absolute minimum that a killed culture deserves is to know what killed it.
You sure have lot of quit in you. No wonder you spend your days getting off on burning trash and reading trash on the internet. Are you aligned w/ Hamas?
And frankly I miss the point about the casting date of an oven.
He said gas chambers, not ovens. The importance of the casting dates is that the Germans were meticulous record keepers. If there were any gas chambers, there would be plans for them, with orders for construction materials on file, delivery dates, etc.. There would be a huge paper trail. Commandants can't be given an order with a wink and a nod and be left to work out the details on their own in the construction of mass execution chambers.
And frankly I miss the point about the casting date of an oven.
He said gas chambers, not ovens. The importance of the casting date is that the Germans were meticulous record keepers. If there were any gas chambers, there would be plans for them, with orders for construction materials on file, delivery dates, etc.. There would be a huge paper trail. Commandants can't be given an order with a wink and a nod and be left to work out the details on their own in the construction of mass execution chambers.
Bingo! All castings back then had date stamps on them. I would think a thinking person would want to see what those dates to prove that they were correct in their belief. Heck, maybe those dates are in the mid to late 1930's. Of course they could be in the 1950's also.
I have to say,...I have a begrudging respect for the citizens of Israel. They put their money where their mouth is. More than a million of them are former citizens of the Soviet Union. They've gone to Israel, built and protected an identity culture built on racial Judaism,...even if it's not religious in nature.
I've always wondered what they think about American Jews,...who have a ticket to Israeli citizenship, but choose instead to hide under Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer's skirts in America.
I suspect that the Israeli Jews consider American Jews to be pussies.
,..Talk the talk but not enough nuts to walk the walk.
Bristoe, aliyah in Hebrew means ascent which is good as tomorrow I am going to Cold Creek and climb some hills looking for coyotes. Luckily I can still walk so I won't need an airline or to stay home burning trash.
If the aliyah referred to the Diaspora, all but the bone ignorant would know that trip is reserved for jews.
If you mistakenly assumed that I am a jew, thank you. If I thought the jews were as omnipotent as your fellow fearsome holocaust deniers seem to I would want to join up.
That is why that today, I cannot have any love whatsoever for Russia or Putin, as they are in many ways, just as big of a snake in the grass as was the Soviet Union.
More truth is coming out of Russia these days than you'll get from CNN. Russia has already been through its ordeal from the Bolsheviks. At this point, Russia is just watching how America's Bolshevik revolution is transpiring. The methods being used on America and western Europe is different than those which took place in 1917 Russia. Modern times require a modern approach.
The first goal of the Bolsheviks in the west is to break down cultural unity by flooding the western countries with mass immigration from the third world.
A large part of western Europe has already been destroyed by this tactic. The U.S.A. is just one more Communist White House occupant away from suffering the same fate as France and Germany.
Bristoe, I'll admit that part of my fear, and to a lesser degree, hatred, of any and all things Russian, goes back to the era I grew up in. I remember very well all the drills we had and the films we watched concerning a nuclear attack by the Soviets. I remember seeing the fallout shelters, the emergency food and water, and all else that was associated it. I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, and listening to the television one night before bedtime, about how close we were to war with the USSR. Our house was in the flight path of planes taking off from nearby Ft Campbell, and I can still remember hearing scores of planes passing overhead during the night, ferrying the 101st to Florida. I lay there wondering if any of us would be alive come morning.
I know there is a difference between the old Soviet Union and Russia today......but I do not, and I never will trust any of those Eastern European Communist basturds. I don't differentiate between any of them.
All as a result of the Bolsheviks defeating the Nationalists during WW2,....with a lot of assistance from FDR, or course.
It seems to me that FDR had an odd infatuation with Stalin? IIRC, Churchill, on the other hand, had a more realistic view of the USSR. Personally, I would take the Germans over the Russians any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
If we refuse to scrutinize past history, which seems to be the case, we will repeat it, which also seems to be the case. I am not anti jew, anti black, anti asian, anti anything. But if something stinks, then I want to know what and who. It matters not to me what your ethnic race or who you claim to be. You can claim you are this or that, matters not to me. I am not a lock stepper. Crowd mentality is not my thing.
Q. Were there so many people being gassed at this time that the normal facilities were not adequate?
A. Do you mean the facilities of the crematorium?
Q. Both the crematorium and the gas chamber.
A. Yes.
Q. Well, will you tell us how they gassed those who were unable to go into the normal gas chambers? How did they take care of that?
PAGE 259 A They were cremated at Pscezinki.
Q Did they have a large barn there into which they crowded the people and then dropped the gas in through the chimney?
A No, it was a small barn, and it was usually known under the name of the white house.
Q And will you describe that to us, what happened there?
A The people were crowded into this barn, and after the whole barn was already filled up with people the door was closed, and gas was thrown in through certain flaps.
Q And were the people always killed by the gas?
A Yes, in part, but part of them remained alive.
Q What did they do with those?
A Those who were still alive were thrown into the fire.
Q And was this a way of cremating the bodies, that they dug big ditches close to this white house in which they built a fire and cremated the bodies?
A Holes were made there and wood was placed into these holes. Gas was poured on the wood and then the whole thing was inflamed.
found guilty on all four counts of the indictment for conspiracy to commit aggressive warfare, crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. He was sentenced to death. Rosenberg was hanged on October 16, 1946.
The Real Hawkeye: Are you insane? Your quote: "But there was no extermination program". Jesus man get a grip on reality! Sheesh. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
I have to say,...I have a begrudging respect for the citizens of Israel. They put their money where their mouth is. More than a million of them are former citizens of the Soviet Union. They've gone to Israel, built and protected an identity culture built on racial Judaism,...even if it's not religious in nature.
I've always wondered what they think about American Jews,...who have a ticket to Israeli citizenship, but choose instead to hide under Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer's skirts in America.
I suspect that the Israeli Jews consider American Jews to be pussies.
,..Talk the talk but not enough nuts to walk the walk.
I have often wondered why the majority of American Jews sat on their asses and twiddled their thumbs when "their" homeland of Israel was under attack from the Muzzie Arabs. We know that the Democrat politicians have a long history of condemning the Israeli's whenever they would "over react" to a terrorist attack, and we know that a good number of those politicians were Jews.
It's really not much different than the way Democrat politicians who belong to the Catholic Church, have a long history of voting for abortion......something the Church opposes. I have long suspected that these politicians are liberal Democrat first, and Catholic or Jew only when it suits them to be, or when they're running for office and need the votes.
And it was never in OUR interest to award the Jews a homeland.
It wasn't in America's interest to become aligned with Stalin during WW2 either,...as evidenced by our brush with nuclear war with the Soviet Union 17 years after the end of WW2.
Thanks to the "Rosenbergs" (shalom) giving them America's nuclear technology.
Don't forget Klaus Fuchs. From Wikipedia. "Emil Julius Klaus Fuchs (29 December 1911 – 28 January 1988) was a German theoretical physicist and atomic spy who, in 1950, was convicted of supplying information from the American, British, and Canadian Manhattan Project to the Soviet Union during and shortly after the Second World War..."
And another communist and top Soviet spy, was Alger Hiss, head of the U.S. State Dept., and a great friend and advisor of FDR. Hiss funneled top secret information to his communist masters and also was tasked by FDR to write the Charter for the United Nations.
There were many Soviet spies systematically corrupting our government back in the FDR days ... and they and their spawn are still there.
The British had their fair share of communist traitors also beginning with the Cambridge Five, led by their chief communist traitor, Kim Philby, head of MI5. What a macabre joke!!
L.W.
Hey Leanwolf,
I hate to rain on your parade but I think you forget to mention that if it were not for JEWISH SCIENTISTS, many of whom had fled Europe in the 1930s (and a lot of non-Jewisn scientists), our country would not ever have had an atomic bomb int he first place.
Are you going to "blame the Jews" for the fact that we didn't lose 750,000 KIA invading Japan (Truman's estimate) because we dropped atom bombs instead?
Hey IndyCA35, you're not raining on my parade no matter you're trying, unsuccessfully, to paint me with an anti-Jewish brush.. I do not blame the Jews for anything and you can go through every post I've ever made here and find just how ludicrous your allusion is.
Obviously you did not bother to read my post closely enough, or perhaps you just didn't comprehend the fact that I was posting in regard to Bristoe's post about the communist spies, the Rosenbergs. The fact that the Rosenbergs were Jews is meaningless to my post. They were communist spies, pure and simple.
There were many communist spies in the U.S., and Great Britain, of many "persuasions," not just Jewish. Some of the physicists involved in the Manhattan Project were Jews, some were not. Some spies were Jews and some spies were not.
Kim Philby and his crew were not Jewish, by the way.
Frankly I could not care less what some person's religion or race is. Just don't try to destroy the United States. I believe that spies, when convicted of treason, should be shot or hanged.
found guilty on all four counts of the indictment for conspiracy to commit aggressive warfare, crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. He was sentenced to death. Rosenberg was hanged on October 16, 1946.
Ok, so yes, he wrote a book you might say. So why was he hung while the 100's of Nazi scientist were given free passage and homes in America...............Operation Paperclip. I think some of their science projects killed people..........ie crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. Hhmmm.
It seems to me that FDR had an odd infatuation with Stalin? IIRC, Churchill, on the other hand, had a more realistic view of the USSR. Personally, I would take the Germans over the Russians any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
FDR may very well have been infatuated with Stalin because he was a Socialist himself. As far as Churchill goes, he was a very sharp old codger, who knew better than to trust Stalin and the USSR. I agree about the Germans versus the Russians, although one can argue that present day Germany is a mess. While that can be laid at the feet of the politicians, it was the German people who put them in office. My paternal grandmothers family came from Germany, and while that may play into my thoughts, I do not understand why modern day Germany has seemingly rolled over and played dead on the issue of Muslim immigration.
I have to say,...I have a begrudging respect for the citizens of Israel. They put their money where their mouth is. More than a million of them are former citizens of the Soviet Union. They've gone to Israel, built and protected an identity culture built on racial Judaism,...even if it's not religious in nature.
I've always wondered what they think about American Jews,...who have a ticket to Israeli citizenship, but choose instead to hide under Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer's skirts in America.
I suspect that the Israeli Jews consider American Jews to be pussies.
,..Talk the talk but not enough nuts to walk the walk.
The israelis seem to want to keep their country and way of life intact . Many of them here would see this video and start looking for a way to bring those poor immigrants here whether ''we'' want them here or not .
When the text is going too fast to read halt the video and hit your forward key makes it easier to read . . Pay close attention around 6:40 mark .
I have to say,...I have a begrudging respect for the citizens of Israel. They put their money where their mouth is. More than a million of them are former citizens of the Soviet Union. They've gone to Israel, built and protected an identity culture built on racial Judaism,...even if it's not religious in nature.
I've always wondered what they think about American Jews,...who have a ticket to Israeli citizenship, but choose instead to hide under Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer's skirts in America.
I suspect that the Israeli Jews consider American Jews to be pussies.
,..Talk the talk but not enough nuts to walk the walk.
The israelis seem to want to keep their country and way of life intact . Many of them here would see this video and start looking for a way to bring those poor immigrants here whether ''we'' want them here or not .
"No jiggaboos for Israeli Jews"
There's a poem there too,...but I don't have the energy to work it out right now.
Then we have the old "destroy all the Jews because the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense. Sirs, Jesus was executed by the Roman Army, under the command of the Roman governor of that province. Some Jews agreed with that. Some disagreed. Ever heard of Palm Sunday? Duh. In general the ones closely allied with the Roman government agreed and the people didn't. How do I know? Ever read the New Testament?
Yes, it was the Romans who crucified Jesus. But, Pilate said "I find no fault in this man" and was going to set him free, but the crowd said "crucify him, crucify him." Almost 2000 years after the death of Jesus, the Jews are still waiting for the Son of God to appear.......say what you want, but the Jews killed Jesus the Son of God, because they did not accept him for who he was.
I don't think any serious person would believe that a Roman governor made a decision based on what a "crowd" of non-Roman subjects wanted. Historians believe that this part may have been added years later. It was, after all, very embarrassing for the Romans to take the fall for executing Jesus after their emperor had decreed that Christianity was the required religion of Rome (years later). Rome executed Jesus, as they did other insurrectionists of whom we have records, to prevent an uprising. After all, Jesus had just led a riot at the center of the country (the temple).
If Pilate had let an insurrection get any traction, Rome would have had to send the legions then stationed in Syria to quell it. Such a mess and expense would have ended Pilate's career. (A few decades later an insurrection did get out of hand and the Roman legions basically destroyed the whole country.)
And why mock the Jews for waiting 2000 years for the Son of God to reappear? After all, Christians have waited 2000 years for the second coming, even though it states at least 10 times in the New Testament that Jesus will come again within the lifetimes of those who were then living.
Since you seem to be up on Roman law then you know that ours is patterned after it. And under both, it takes "2" witnesses to convict someone. Pilot didn't convict him, the 2 witnesses did. So lets see, which two Romans was it?
Don’t argue with a Jewish Lawyer..... he will send you a bill.
No Jiggaboos for Israeli Jews, But ya never gonna hear about it on the news, It doesn't fit the narrative for us, you see, Americans are supposed to love di-ver-si-TEE
It seems to me that FDR had an odd infatuation with Stalin? IIRC, Churchill, on the other hand, had a more realistic view of the USSR. Personally, I would take the Germans over the Russians any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
FDR may very well have been infatuated with Stalin because he was a Socialist himself. As far as Churchill goes, he was a very sharp old codger, who knew better than to trust Stalin and the USSR. I agree about the Germans versus the Russians, although one can argue that present day Germany is a mess. While that can be laid at the feet of the politicians, it was the German people who put them in office. My paternal grandmothers family came from Germany, and while that may play into my thoughts, I do not understand why modern day Germany has seemingly rolled over and played dead on the issue of Muslim immigration.
?? how many of our elected officials say one thing then do another ??
You can bet there are millions of germans who don't want 1 of those immigrants in germany - those are the germans who are racist hitler loving nazieees - the germans with NO VOICE IN GERMANY . Just saying .
It seems to me that FDR had an odd infatuation with Stalin? IIRC, Churchill, on the other hand, had a more realistic view of the USSR. Personally, I would take the Germans over the Russians any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
FDR may very well have been infatuated with Stalin because he was a Socialist himself. As far as Churchill goes, he was a very sharp old codger, who knew better than to trust Stalin and the USSR. I agree about the Germans versus the Russians, although one can argue that present day Germany is a mess. While that can be laid at the feet of the politicians, it was the German people who put them in office. My paternal grandmothers family came from Germany, and while that may play into my thoughts, I do not understand why modern day Germany has seemingly rolled over and played dead on the issue of Muslim immigration.
?? how many of our elected officials say one thing then do another ??
You can bet there are millions of germans who don't want 1 of those immigrants in germany - those are the germans who are racist hitler loving nazieees - the germans with NO VOICE IN GERMANY . Just saying .
So, according to your logic, if a person doesn't want immigrants coming into their country, they are Hitler loving racist Nazis? I know I'm probably a racist, although I prefer the word realist, but I didn't know I was a Nazi. I guess you learn something everyday.
Then we have the old "destroy all the Jews because the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense. Sirs, Jesus was executed by the Roman Army, under the command of the Roman governor of that province. Some Jews agreed with that. Some disagreed. Ever heard of Palm Sunday? Duh. In general the ones closely allied with the Roman government agreed and the people didn't. How do I know? Ever read the New Testament?
Yes, it was the Romans who crucified Jesus. But, Pilate said "I find no fault in this man" and was going to set him free, but the crowd said "crucify him, crucify him." Almost 2000 years after the death of Jesus, the Jews are still waiting for the Son of God to appear.......say what you want, but the Jews killed Jesus the Son of God, because they did not accept him for who he was.
I don't think any serious person would believe that a Roman governor made a decision based on what a "crowd" of non-Roman subjects wanted. Historians believe that this part may have been added years later. It was, after all, very embarrassing for the Romans to take the fall for executing Jesus after their emperor had decreed that Christianity was the required religion of Rome (years later). Rome executed Jesus, as they did other insurrectionists of whom we have records, to prevent an uprising. After all, Jesus had just led a riot at the center of the country (the temple).
If Pilate had let an insurrection get any traction, Rome would have had to send the legions then stationed in Syria to quell it. Such a mess and expense would have ended Pilate's career. (A few decades later an insurrection did get out of hand and the Roman legions basically destroyed the whole country.)
And why mock the Jews for waiting 2000 years for the Son of God to reappear? After all, Christians have waited 2000 years for the second coming, even though it states at least 10 times in the New Testament that Jesus will come again within the lifetimes of those who were then living.
Since you seem to be up on Roman law then you know that ours is patterned after it. And under both, it takes "2" witnesses to convict someone. Pilot didn't convict him, the 2 witnesses did. So lets see, which two Romans was it?
Don’t argue with a Jewish Lawyer..... he will send you a bill.
Not Jewish and not a lawyer. Though, incidentally, if Roman law required such and such a procedure, that only applied to Roman citizens. Jesus was not a Roman citizen. Paul, incidentally, was a Roman citizen as you probably know. He was arrested for his preaching and demanded his rights, under Roman law, to see a higher official who, after awhile, arrived and Paul was freed.
The Jews in Israel back then were basically in three classes. The ruling class supported the Romans. They had the most to lose. It was they who wanted Jesus "offed" before he could instigate, they thought, a violent revolution. Then there were a bunch of assassins, Sicarri, etc. who thought they could overthrow Rome and the ruling class with violence. Judas was possibly one of these. Third were people who sought a spiritual way out of their troubles. Jesus, John the Baptist, the Essenes, and a number of others of whom we have a record were of this persuasion. The vast majority of people were basically apathetic and just went about their lives.
I don't think you can blame "the Jews" (or the Romans) for not accepting Jesus as the Son of God. As the Bible makes clear, a lot of people--maybe most of his believers--didn't believe in Jesus until and unless He performed some miracle--raising people from the dead, healing the blind, the miracle of the loaves and the fishes, etc. No YouTube or even newspapers back then so most people had no exposure or knowledge of any miracles. Had Jesus performed some miracle before Pilate, we would not be having this discussion. But that would have scotched the whole point about taking on the sins of the world.
It seems to me that FDR had an odd infatuation with Stalin? IIRC, Churchill, on the other hand, had a more realistic view of the USSR. Personally, I would take the Germans over the Russians any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
FDR may very well have been infatuated with Stalin because he was a Socialist himself. As far as Churchill goes, he was a very sharp old codger, who knew better than to trust Stalin and the USSR. I agree about the Germans versus the Russians, although one can argue that present day Germany is a mess. While that can be laid at the feet of the politicians, it was the German people who put them in office. My paternal grandmothers family came from Germany, and while that may play into my thoughts, I do not understand why modern day Germany has seemingly rolled over and played dead on the issue of Muslim immigration.
?? how many of our elected officials say one thing then do another ??
You can bet there are millions of germans who don't want 1 of those immigrants in germany - those are the germans who are racist hitler loving nazieees - the germans with NO VOICE IN GERMANY . Just saying .
So, according to your logic, if a person doesn't want immigrants coming into their country, they are Hitler loving racist Nazis? I know I'm probably a racist, although I prefer the word realist, but I didn't know I was a Nazi. I guess you learn something everyday.
No I was inferring that the germans who don't want the immigrants will be made out to be racist by the media .
Isn't the hypocrisy breathtaking when you consider what these same people have arranged to happen, vis a vis Third World Immigration, to European nations and nations established by Europeans?
I heard someone once recount a conversation with a devout Jew on this topic. He was asked why Jews hold that white nations should have no borders while at the same time Jews are so strict about maintaining their overwhelming ethnic dominance over the state of Israel. The answer came right away, "Oh, well, you see, the Jews are a very special people."
Though, incidentally, if Roman law required such and such a procedure, that only applied to Roman citizens. Jesus was not a Roman citizen.
59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
Roman chief priests, and elders, and council I suppose.
Learn something every day.
So under Roman law and our law which is patterned after such, folks living in Roman and or the US are not allowed access to the courts. Especially if there jews of course.
"The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us [i.e., we Christians]; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men." - 1 Thess 2;14-15
I have to say,...I have a begrudging respect for the citizens of Israel. They put their money where their mouth is. More than a million of them are former citizens of the Soviet Union. They've gone to Israel, built and protected an identity culture built on racial Judaism,...even if it's not religious in nature.
I've always wondered what they think about American Jews,...who have a ticket to Israeli citizenship, but choose instead to hide under Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer's skirts in America.
I suspect that the Israeli Jews consider American Jews to be pussies.
,..Talk the talk but not enough nuts to walk the walk.
The israelis seem to want to keep their country and way of life intact . Many of them here would see this video and start looking for a way to bring those poor immigrants here whether ''we'' want them here or not .
When the text is going too fast to read halt the video and hit your forward key makes it easier to read . . Pay close attention around 6:40 mark .
Gotdang prejudice sombitches, no wonder I dont want to get along with those that HOCK-PHLEGM is an actual word.
Though, incidentally, if Roman law required such and such a procedure, that only applied to Roman citizens. Jesus was not a Roman citizen
What?????
Roman citizens sentenced to capital punishment were typically not subject to crucifixion (Paul a Roman citizen, was beheaded ) Roman citizens were considered entitled to an honorable method of C-P...that being be-heading.
Crucifixion was a slow death and considered the most shameful, degrading, highly humiliating form of capital punishment met out to the lowest level types... like slaves, PoWs, rebels,, Corpses were purposely left on the beam to be picked clean by scavenger carrion birds, as an extended form of shame-dishonor, denying them an honorable burial.
70 AD, following Roman victory against Judean rebels and destruction of the temple, the Romans conducted mass crucifixions to such non-citizens.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Jesus was executed by the Roman Army, under the command of the Roman governor of that province
The actual trial of Jesus was held by Caiaphas and his band of high priests. Caiaphas among holding other prominant positions, was president of the Sanhedrin, being the Jewish council and court (judicial body) with the formal responsibility of processing the case of Jesus.
Rome while granting such high priests certain powers in the interests of stable governance for areas under Roman rule, looked to such high priests to keep the jewish populace in line.
Jesus was tried by a Jewish religious court and then committed to a Roman criminal court for sentence and consequently Roman form of capital punishment.
The jewish court found Jesus guilty of blasphemy, which even in the absence of roman occupation, would still mean a death penalty (by stoning).
The Jewish court wanted him DEAD,.. ONE way or the OTHER.
I have to say,...I have a begrudging respect for the citizens of Israel. They put their money where their mouth is. More than a million of them are former citizens of the Soviet Union. They've gone to Israel, built and protected an identity culture built on racial Judaism,...even if it's not religious in nature.
I've always wondered what they think about American Jews,...who have a ticket to Israeli citizenship, but choose instead to hide under Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer's skirts in America.
I suspect that the Israeli Jews consider American Jews to be pussies.
,..Talk the talk but not enough nuts to walk the walk.
The israelis seem to want to keep their country and way of life intact . Many of them here would see this video and start looking for a way to bring those poor immigrants here whether ''we'' want them here or not .
When the text is going too fast to read halt the video and hit your forward key makes it easier to read . . Pay close attention around 6:40 mark .
Gotdang prejudice sombitches, no wonder I dont want to get along with those that HOCK-PHLEGM is an actual word.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm under the impression TRH antisemitism stems from his religious belief "The Jew" murdered his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As a result, he's incapable of any rational thought as it relates to the Jewish people, even those living thousands of years after the alleged stories in his holy book.
Perhaps he's also a victim of unfortunate events in his own life for which he needs a scapegoat, regardless, this man's suffering from some serious psychological trauma, religious or otherwise, manifesting as his irrational antisemitic thoughts. In other words, he's damaged goods.
I have to say,...I have a begrudging respect for the citizens of Israel. They put their money where their mouth is. More than a million of them are former citizens of the Soviet Union. They've gone to Israel, built and protected an identity culture built on racial Judaism,...even if it's not religious in nature.
I've always wondered what they think about American Jews,...who have a ticket to Israeli citizenship, but choose instead to hide under Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer's skirts in America.
I suspect that the Israeli Jews consider American Jews to be pussies.
,..Talk the talk but not enough nuts to walk the walk.
The israelis seem to want to keep their country and way of life intact . Many of them here would see this video and start looking for a way to bring those poor immigrants here whether ''we'' want them here or not .
When the text is going too fast to read halt the video and hit your forward key makes it easier to read . . Pay close attention around 6:40 mark .
Gotdang prejudice sombitches, no wonder I dont want to get along with those that HOCK-PHLEGM is an actual word.
CO-EXIST
LOL, Yeah, we're all Gods children, BFS, Those sombitches are NUTS Ol Mike. I watched all the video.
If anyone wonders how civilized people could get others to willingly and gladly exterminate men, women, and children, let them look no further than TRH.
If anyone wonders how civilized people could get others to willingly and gladly exterminate men, women, and children, let them look no further than TRH.
That’s a hell of a stretch there, Neighbor.
Is there no room in your world for honorable men to hold a view contrary to yours with out being labeled a mass murderer wannabe?
If anyone wonders how civilized people could get others to willingly and gladly exterminate men, women, and children, let them look no further than TRH.
That’s a hell of a stretch there, Neighbor.
Is there no room in your world for honorable men to hold a view contrary to yours with out being labeled a mass murderer wannabe?
No chit Cur, did you see Ol Mikes video?
These give peace a chance defenders need to go have a look at sheer lunacy.
We're expected to be nice when the jews in isreal are anything but.
There Is no room in my world for people who hate an entire race, look the other way at 6,000,000 murders, wish for the annihilation of Israel ( or any other nation), and blame people for murdering someone 2000 years before they were born.
I have no problem with honorable men holding views contrary to mine.
If anyone wonders how civilized people could get others to willingly and gladly exterminate men, women, and children, let them look no further than TRH.
Actually, Hitler and the German's view regarding eugenics came largely from, you guessed it, liberals in the US. Liberals like you?
Eugenics laws were passed in the liberal areas, and amazingly, California was the "leader" in the program.
US Supreme kangaroos said it was OK, and they're always right, as we know.
There Is no room in my world for people who hate an entire race, look the other way at 6,000,000 murders, wish for the annihilation of Israel ( or any other nation), and blame people for murdering someone 2000 years before they were born.
I have no problem with honorable men holding views contrary to mine.
Some men are not honorable.
You certainly wont leave out the 150 mil total the bolsheviks killed?
I had no idea there were so many anti-Semitic idiots on this forum. Live and learn.....
Are trying to weaponize words? Do you know the definition of Semitic or anti-semitic? You may want to look that word up. That is to general of a term to be applied in this discussion. Just sayin'
I had no idea there were so many anti-Semitic idiots on this forum. Live and learn.....
Are trying to weaponize words? Do you know the definition of Semitic or anti-semitic? You may want to look that word up. That is to general of a term to be applied in this discussion. Just sayin'
It's the 'in' term for the cool crowd today.
Just having that term for them and not all other peoples that have been savaged shows a level of brainwashing we were all taught when young.
I had no idea there were so many anti-Semitic idiots on this forum. Live and learn.....
Are trying to weaponize words? Do you know the definition of Semitic or anti-semitic? You may want to look that word up. That is to general of a term to be applied in this discussion. Just sayin'
It's the 'in' term for the cool crowd today.
Just having that term for them and not all other peoples that have been savaged shows a level of brainwashing we were all taught when young.
See what happens when you get old. You're not with the "in" crowd anymore and they change the language on ya. "Idiots" I understood.
There Is no room in my world for people who hate an entire race, look the other way at 6,000,000 murders, wish for the annihilation of Israel ( or any other nation), and blame people for murdering someone 2000 years before they were born.
I have no problem with honorable men holding views contrary to mine.
Some men are not honorable.
You certainly wont leave out the 150 mil total the bolsheviks killed?
Thanks.
Certainly not. If anyone posted anything excusing or praising the bolsheviks, I would be appalled at them.
I lived in West Germany for awhile in 1965 and visited East Berlin. I spoke candidly to people--in German. I even got arrested--briefly--by the Volkspolizei. No one who did that could ever have the slightest tolerance for communism.
There Is no room in my world for people who hate an entire race, look the other way at 6,000,000 murders, wish for the annihilation of Israel ( or any other nation), and blame people for murdering someone 2000 years before they were born.
I have no problem with honorable men holding views contrary to mine.
Some men are not honorable.
You certainly wont leave out the 150 mil total the bolsheviks killed?
Thanks.
Certainly not. If anyone posted anything excusing or praising the bolsheviks, I would be appalled at them.
I lived in West Germany for awhile in 1965 and visited East Berlin. I spoke candidly to people--in German. I even got arrested--briefly--by the Volkspolizei. No one who did that could ever have the slightest tolerance for communism.
Great, but why is it that 150 million poor dead Russians and Chinese people don't have an installed rapid-fire full auto defenders club?
Plus, I've been around a lot of crazy people, those jews in that video took the cake, the pure unadulterated hatred in their eyes for the African immigrants was certainly not living the religious lifestyle, I dont get that, they've made a career out of being the victims and begging for tolerance, I guess if it's only when you don't want to come into THEIR country, but, I'll bet I could easily send my money from this dirty godless country, think they'd be glad to have it.
When I was in college I attended a speech by Dr. Wisenthal, the famous Nazi hunter. A few seats away from me sat an old woman. The emotion in her face was plain to see, for the whole speech. And when Wisenthal made a point by lifting his sleeve, and pointing to the concentration camp numbers tattooed on his arm, she raised her arm and pointed to her numbers, with tears in her eyes. At the end of the speech, she greeted him and thanked him for his efforts to gain justice for the survivors.
I don't need to research the Holocaust, to know it was real. I saw the faces of the survivors.
When I was in college I attended a speech by Dr. Wisenthal, the famous Nazi hunter. A few seats away from me sat an old woman. The emotion in her face was plain to see, for the whole speech. And when Wisenthal made a point by lifting his sleeve, and pointing to the concentration camp numbers tattooed on his arm, she raised her arm and pointed to her numbers, with tears in her eyes. At the end of the speech, she greeted him and thanked him for his efforts to gain justice for the survivors.
I don't need to research the Holocaust, to know it was real. I saw the faces of the survivors.
And I know who really were the ones who did it to them.
When I was in college I attended a speech by Dr. Wisenthal, the famous Nazi hunter. A few seats away from me sat an old woman. The emotion in her face was plain to see, for the whole speech. And when Wisenthal made a point by lifting his sleeve, and pointing to the concentration camp numbers tattooed on his arm, she raised her arm and pointed to her numbers, with tears in her eyes. At the end of the speech, she greeted him and thanked him for his efforts to gain justice for the survivors.
I don't need to research the Holocaust, to know it was real. I saw the faces of the survivors.
I don't deny it Tex, but many more suffered same or worse and are not represented, that prick dees at the splc couldn't care less about the dead Russians, Chinese etc etc.
, being a realists and realizing we're all equally worthless, and there are NO special people is something they'll never grasp.
That’s it, Gunner. THAT’S the divide and it took about 150 years to fully develop.
You and I understand that man is a flawed creature who can never achieve a perfect society. We try for “good enough”.
The OTHERS believe man can be perfected thru his own efforts and thus a perfect society is attainable. It only requires us to do as they say.
Now..... they call me and you Conservatives and the other side Progressives, but the real divide is what I just said.
You're exactly right Cur, along the same lines is how i pissed a catholic bud off something fierce a few years ago, he was yapping about cannonizing/sainting? a priest, I ask, what in hell happened to pope john paul?
He said, oh dear lord, he died, didn't you hear? I said, I'll be a sombitch, he was indeed a mortal man wasn't he? I finished with, 'you guys CANNOT make a God out of a mortal man' too even entertain the thought is bordering on wizardry and withcraft, he damn near had a stroke, fell off the tailgate and died right in front of me Cur.
He cleared his head, caught his breath, got into his car and left, haven't seen him since.
My best friend for many years was jewish , I had a business partner for 8ish year who was a jewish lady [great friend] , there are good and bad people in every race some more than others of coarse . .
Do I think the common working people in Israel are planning bad things against me or my country -NO . Do I think Israels ''leaders'' are crooks ? Yes I do .
A friend of mine has a russian wife - she says it's hard to believe that governments and media can brainwash people into thinking that russians hate americans and vice-versa but it's true they can . Does anybody believe the masses of common people in russia want to see the United States blown off the map ? I don't . Why would they feel that way ? Why would anybody despise someone they've never been within a thousand miles of ? Do the vast majority of people in Israel think their gov't is honest and just ? No . Our gov't honest and just ? Hell no -pure swampcreatures .
Name one -an honest and just gov't that looks out for the citizens and not themselves ?
Do I think there is a global/international/dark hand/illuminati/ad hominem -- group of people who want nothing more than a one world government ? I do .
People are getting this stuff sorted out now days and realise that the beltway boys/canada/europe/middle east/australia ''leaders'' are crooks of the highest order . And right in the middle of it all will be big numbers of jewish ''leaders'' -media controllers -banksters working feverishly to screw over and try to rule over people . Constitution be damned . When jewish folks are said to be around 2% of the population - many of the Soros type and his low key friends/globalist are plotting around the clock the coarse that will sail control of the planet right into their lap . And there will be plenty of Joe Smith guys who will gladly lend a hand .
I'll end with I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL JEWISH PEOPLE - JUST THE CROOKS IN GOV'T - MEDIA - BANKING - ETC. ETC. .
There are religions so unattractive that they must brainwash the children of the congregation. They would die completely out in a couple of generations if they had to compete in the marketplace of ideas.
Plus, I've been around a lot of crazy people, those jews in that video took the cake, the pure unadulterated hatred in their eyes for the African immigrants was certainly not living the religious lifestyle, I dont get that, they've made a career out of being the victims and begging for tolerance,
Zealots do live by a certain type of religious lifestyle.
I watched a TV show last night, WW2 Confidential on the AHC channel. Several things stood out.....both Britain and the US were aware that Stalin had committed atrocities against both his own people, and also against Poland. However, that news was suppressed so the public would not be learn of it, because the Soviet Union was our ally. Also, FDR set up some secret meetings with Stalin, and Churchill would be left out because FDR knew that Churchill was not as gung ho on Stalin as he was.
WW2 was all about defeating the Axis powers, and doing whatever was necessary to do so. If that meant ignoring what had happened in the USSR, then so be it. We know now that the Soviet Union killed thousands of Polish soldiers and citizens, in order to pave the way for the Soviets to take over Poland after the war. Of course, the Allies were ready to prosecute the Nazis at Nuremburg for crimes such as that, but the Soviets got off scott free. I'll have to admit that I've always had questions understanding why we had such a problem with what the Nazis did to the Jews, yet we turned a blind eye to the genocide committed by our own allies.
These are the things that I believe, and nothing anyone can say or do is going to sway me, or change my mind.
1....Millions of Jews were put to death by the Nazis. We can argue how or why, but it happened. There is just too much evidence to the contrary, and I do not see how anyone could deny it happened.
2....Millions of citizens of the USSR were killed in the years before WW2, during the war, and after the war, along with many thousands of other people that were deemed a threat to Stalin. Their deaths were no less important than the death of a Jew sent to the gas chambers, yet for the most part, they have been sadly forgotten.
3....Just as the Negro would have you believe that they are the only people ever put into slavery, and therefore should receive special treatment as a result, the Jews have tried to pawn the Holocaust as the worst atrocity to ever happen to mankind. I believe that the reason the millions of deaths that the Communists have been guilty of have been largely swept under the rug, has been because of Jewish influence. They, like the Blacks, know that the "victim" card carries a lot of weight.
4....It was the Jews that wanted Jesus out of the way. He wasn't bothering the Romans. You can try to put whatever kind of a spin on it you want to, but the Jews were responsible for his death.
5.....I don't have a problem with Israel as long as they are fighting what I consider the greatest threat in the world today....Islamic terrorism. They do a more thorough job of it than we do.
These are the things that I believe, and nothing anyone can say or do is going to sway me, or change my mind.
4....It was the Jews that wanted Jesus out of the way. He wasn't bothering the Romans. You can try to put whatever kind of a spin on it you want to, but the Jews were responsible for his death.
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And here all these years we Christians have been led to believe that everything about the conception, birth, life, sufferings, death and resurrection of Jesus was preordained, had to happen and did exactly according to God's plan.
Extermination Camps with theaters, swimming pools, and sports fields? Where did you get this information from? Storm Front? If you believe that stuff I got some swamp land in Florida I need to sell.
I got it from these Stormfronters, LOL.
I can't even count the number of WW 2 vets that I spoke to, working in an Army Hospital during my time in the service.. with most of these guys being WW 2 vets...it would be no exaggeration to say it was several thousand or more...who were in the ETO in WW2...
never recall ONE of these fine men, telling me or anyone else that the Nazi Death Camps were a fabrication.. by Jews or anyone else for that matter.. most were guys who at the time were either in their 20s or to a lesser extent in their early 30s...
and these are people who were anything from Privates to Full Colonels during the war... They had no reason to make this stuff up, or deny it.....
What I recall the most was their stories of the shock they endured liberating some of these camps... while recalling stories that the camps liberated by the Russians in Poland etc, being much much worse...
Today its the George Soros of the world, that want to deny this ever happened...and his funded minions.
As a young man of 12 or 13... it was the summer of 1964 or 65, that I was with the family on vacation on the "Continent" as we called Europe, with my dad being stationed in England...because of what his older brothers had experienced and seen in WW 2 in Europe.... He made sure we spent an entire day at the newly opened Dachau Prison Camp Museum on the site of Camp during WW2..
There was nothing held back in this Museum of what when on there.. Reconstructed Buildings, with pictures on the walls blown up to the size of the entire wall...Pictures that made me and my brother sick to our stomachs... and our parents gave us no reprieve... they made us watch and look at the entire thing... the entire day devoted to that Museum... my dad wanted us to see it.. because all that he experienced in Korea from 1950 to 1953 as an 18 to 21 yr old...
He fully wanted us to know what war was all about... not the guts and glory in the movies or on the TV...
To say all of this was strictly a Jewish Fabrication is off the charts.....
and I've known Jews with numbers tattooed on their arms... both older folks in their 70s and 80s back during the 60s in Europe... and people my folks age.. both in Europe and stateside...
I've been to Dachau twice...once alone, you will never forget what you saw there...especially an impressionable 13 year old boy....
denial it ever happened... I'd suspect Soros and his Globalist Crowd.. even as a Jewish kid he sold out his own people for his financial benefit... there is a special place in hell for people like him....
There Is no room in my world for people who hate an entire race, look the other way at 6,000,000 murders, wish for the annihilation of Israel ( or any other nation), and blame people for murdering someone 2000 years before they were born.
I have no problem with honorable men holding views contrary to mine.
Some men are not honorable.
You certainly wont leave out the 150 mil total the bolsheviks killed?
Thanks.
The communists (all versions) killed several orders of magnitude more people (and mostly their own) than the Nazi Death Camps did. A LOT more. And yes I know, most of the commies were "joos"...
threads like this sure identify the Storm Front members. Dayum.
My Son in Law's family only exists because one fellow was in America studying when Germany over ran Poland. Every other family member died there. Every single one.
These are the things that I believe, and nothing anyone can say or do is going to sway me, or change my mind.
1....Millions of Jews were put to death by the Nazis. We can argue how or why, but it happened. There is just too much evidence to the contrary, and I do not see how anyone could deny it happened.
2....Millions of citizens of the USSR were killed in the years before WW2, during the war, and after the war, along with many thousands of other people that were deemed a threat to Stalin. Their deaths were no less important than the death of a Jew sent to the gas chambers, yet for the most part, they have been sadly forgotten.
3....Just as the Negro would have you believe that they are the only people ever put into slavery, and therefore should receive special treatment as a result, the Jews have tried to pawn the Holocaust as the worst atrocity to ever happen to mankind. I believe that the reason the millions of deaths that the Communists have been guilty of have been largely swept under the rug, has been because of Jewish influence. They, like the Blacks, know that the "victim" card carries a lot of weight.
4....It was the Jews that wanted Jesus out of the way. He wasn't bothering the Romans. You can try to put whatever kind of a spin on it you want to, but the Jews were responsible for his death.
5.....I don't have a problem with Israel as long as they are fighting what I consider the greatest threat in the world today....Islamic terrorism. They do a more thorough job of it than we do.
Jim,
your last statement is pretty much reflective of the same logic of how The Roosevelt Administration over looked all the things the communists did, especially to Poland...much less their own people...
they were fighting what Roosevelt and his camp felt was the greatest threat in the World at that time.
It wasn't support of communism... it was supporting Stalin who would sacrifice his people in large numbers to kill and destroy the Nazis...
Russia's population was 240 million in 1939 when he invaded Poland from the East...Soviet losses were so high during WW 2, their population did not recover to that number until somewhere in the late 1980s...
The Source of this statement was from a Book I got for my son, when he was doing the Weekly Reader Book Club when in grade school... it was about WW2... I've never seen it put this way ever before or since. The Source was Russian Archives, which what it said was quoted...
How it was quoted " From 1939 to 1945, any Russian Male from the age of 17 to 23, or who was in that age group anytime during those years...97% did not survive WW 2..."
think of that stat applied to our nation during WW2... how many of us, would have never been born because our fathers would have not been alive to "father us"....our how many of our Uncles would have not been alive to father many of our cousins etc? Look at your family today, and imagine how much of it wouldn't even exist today...
Many people don't know about this from our history books, because our government doesn't want to make our country look bad, for supporting the Russians to the extent we did....
but we happily traded off Russian lives to save American lives so they wouldn't have to do the job...
The Battle of Stalingrad... its looked at as a Major victory over the Germans in WW 2... of an Army of 250,000 plus Germans... of those that weren't killed but captured... only 5,000 made it home to Germany after many years in a Gulags in Siberian... 245,000 perished..
Winning that battle, the Soviets lost more troops ( and lets not even count civilians) at Stalingrad than the USA lost thru all causes during the Entire WW2 battlefields, training etc....
People keep a head in the sand attitude.. but we'll see those kind of numbers once again...
it will come in the future war between the West and Radical Islam.. when ever that occurs..
After reading through all these posts and participating in them, it seems that the greater picture of what was being proposed was totally overlooked. Instead, we were constantly lead down rabbit trails. So yet again, as my jewish uncle would say, it is hidden in plain sight, but ya missed it. Churchhill may have had a good grasp of what was going.
Potsdam Yalta..............The Unholy Alliance.
I believe that historians 50 years from now will look back to this time in American history, then back to Libya, Iraq, then Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WW II, WW I, Russia, and on back through the ages, shake their heads and say, sure is sad they were blinded and couldn't see it.
One of the smartest thing Eisenhower ever did was to pull up at the Elbe River and let the Soviets have the "honor" of capturing Berlin. The bit three had already agreed that East Germany would be in the Soviet zone of occupation except for West Berlin. Stalin wanted the Soviets to have the "honor" of capturing Berlin and wanted it captured by the May 1 communist holiday.
So Ike (and Churchill, Marshall and Truman) let the Russians take the 250,000 or so casualties instead of incurring American casualties. Good idea.
One of the smartest thing Eisenhower ever did was to pull up at the Elbe River and let the Soviets have the "honor" of capturing Berlin. The bit three had already agreed that East Germany would be in the Soviet zone of occupation except for West Berlin. Stalin wanted the Soviets to have the "honor" of capturing Berlin and wanted it captured by the May 1 communist holiday.
So Ike (and Churchill, Marshall and Truman) let the Russians take the 250,000 or so casualties instead of incurring American casualties. Good idea.
That is so messed up dude.
Of course Eisenhower would, check out his ancestory.
Your view may be a bit different had you been stationed in Dresden weeks after the war.
One of the smartest thing Eisenhower ever did was to pull up at the Elbe River and let the Soviets have the "honor" of capturing Berlin. The bit three had already agreed that East Germany would be in the Soviet zone of occupation except for West Berlin. Stalin wanted the Soviets to have the "honor" of capturing Berlin and wanted it captured by the May 1 communist holiday.
So Ike (and Churchill, Marshall and Truman) let the Russians take the 250,000 or so casualties instead of incurring American casualties. Good idea.
Don't know your source Indy, on Russian Casualties taking Berlin...
what was released after the Soviet Union fell... Russian sources indicated Twice that number, plus another 100K on top of that... 600,000...almost double the loss of ALL American Troops to Combat Deaths in the entire of WW2...
Firing at each other, the Two Soviet Armies assigned to take Berlin, think the other was Germans... the Soviets took more losses to each other than they did from German Fire..
Stalin allowed both Armies Commanders to compete against each other taking Berlin, to see who would get the Honors and Glory...Stalin didn't give a crap about how many Soldiers he lost... nor the equipment he lost.. ever.. heck, most of the equipment he was using for support etc, was Freebies in the long run by the US Government...
4....It was the Jews that wanted Jesus out of the way. He wasn't bothering the Romans. You can try to put whatever kind of a spin on it you want to, but the Jews were responsible for his death.
SOME Jews wanted Jesus out of the way. OTHER Jews were Jesus's followers (ever hear of he Disciples, duh!). The ESTABLISHMENT, who ran the country under the Roman thumb wanted him out of the way. Why? Because they feared his popularity would cause an uprising against Rome After all he had just broken into the Temple with a mob and illegally trashed the legitimate merchants who sold the necessary sacrificial animals, hadn't he?
If Jesus, deliberately or not, had incited an uprising, Roman legions would have entered Judea and destroyed the whole country. That was their concern. Want proof? A few decades later that exact thing happened.
Governor Pilate certainly had no disagreement with them. You see, even if the Romans had been able to quell any uprising, at the cost of much time, lives, and money, it would not have looked too good on Pilate's resume, would it have? To blame "the Jews" while exonerating the Romans (who actually did the deed) would be like a bunch of my friends coming to me and reminding me that Chuck Schumer did bad things, followed by me murdering Chuck Schumer. Would I get off a murder charge scot free?
Now before someone quotes some obscure Bible verse out of context to refute me, please recall those parts of the New Testament that say everyone but bishops can have multiple wives, women must wear hats in church, and Jesus will come again before people 2000 years ago have passed away.
Also, as someone posted, remember that God REQUIRED Jesus to be tortured to death to "take away the sins of the world." So were the Sadducees and Pharisees God's servants? Was Judas God's servant?
Personally I never understood why torturing Jesus to death was necessary for an omnipotent God to forgive peoples' sins in the first place. Why not just say, "I'm all-powerful. You're forgiven?" But I'm not a theologian. I also don't think it was very nice of God to punish people because two of their ancestors, thousands of years in the past, had stolen an apple. That just isn't right. But that's another topic.
Finally a news flash for anyone who might be a total anti-Semite: Jesus was Jewish!
One of the smartest thing Eisenhower ever did was to pull up at the Elbe River and let the Soviets have the "honor" of capturing Berlin. The bit three had already agreed that East Germany would be in the Soviet zone of occupation except for West Berlin. Stalin wanted the Soviets to have the "honor" of capturing Berlin and wanted it captured by the May 1 communist holiday.
So Ike (and Churchill, Marshall and Truman) let the Russians take the 250,000 or so casualties instead of incurring American casualties. Good idea.
That is so messed up dude.
Of course Eisenhower would, check out his ancestory.
Your view may be a bit different had you been stationed in Dresden weeks after the war.
It's ANCESTRY and he is of course GERMAN as the #1 ethnic group in the USA
I don't argue that the Allies gladly accepted the huge Soviet loss of life in exchange for fewer allied casualties, even if it did mean turning a blind eye to what the Soviets did. One can argue that it was worth saving American lives, even though it meant that someone else was going to lose theirs. When one looks at the number of lives that were lost in WW2, and sees how many Russians died, it makes one realize just how horrific the war was. I think that we used the Soviets as cannon fodder in order to lessen British and American casualties, just as the Soviets used FDR and Churchill to get what they wanted after the war.
Nonetheless, this is how I see it.......when a Black criminal is killed by the cops today, half the Negroes in America take to the street and protest that Black lives matter. Yet, when a White person is killed by a Black person, Whites do not protest, but if they did, they would be called racist and Nazis, and the like. It was wrong, anyway you cut it, for the Nazis to gas the Jews to death. The Jews have never let the world forget it....and I'm not saying they should. But, it was equally wrong when the Soviets executed EVERY Polish officer they had captured, and when they starved Ukrainian peasants to death, so the fat Bolsheviks in Moscow would have plenty to eat. The death of one group of innocent people is always being remembered, while the deaths of another group has been largely forgotten.......and that is just flat wrong.
One of the smartest thing Eisenhower ever did was to pull up at the Elbe River and let the Soviets have the "honor" of capturing Berlin. The bit three had already agreed that East Germany would be in the Soviet zone of occupation except for West Berlin. Stalin wanted the Soviets to have the "honor" of capturing Berlin and wanted it captured by the May 1 communist holiday.
So Ike (and Churchill, Marshall and Truman) let the Russians take the 250,000 or so casualties instead of incurring American casualties. Good idea.
That is so messed up dude.
Of course Eisenhower would, check out his ancestory.
Your view may be a bit different had you been stationed in Dresden weeks after the war.
It's ANCESTRY and he is of course GERMAN as the #1 ethnic group in the USA
I forget where I read 250,000. My memory is not perfect. It may have been the total for the entire Russian advance and not just the capture of Berlin, or something else entirely.
Your post is interesting. I think it points out that Stalin did not worry much about saving the lives of his soldiers. Eisenhower and the Americans did.
Hitler didn't either, and wanted to punish the German people for letting him down. What if the Germans had been willing to negotiate a controlled surrender a few months later, say, after the Battle of the Bulge. At that time it was obvious they would lost the war. How many lives might have been saved?
One of the smartest thing Eisenhower ever did was to pull up at the Elbe River and let the Soviets have the "honor" of capturing Berlin. The bit three had already agreed that East Germany would be in the Soviet zone of occupation except for West Berlin. Stalin wanted the Soviets to have the "honor" of capturing Berlin and wanted it captured by the May 1 communist holiday.
So Ike (and Churchill, Marshall and Truman) let the Russians take the 250,000 or so casualties instead of incurring American casualties. Good idea.
That is so messed up dude.
Of course Eisenhower would, check out his ancestory.
Your view may be a bit different had you been stationed in Dresden weeks after the war.
It's ANCESTRY and he is of course GERMAN as the #1 ethnic group in the USA
He was known as the Swedish Jew.
So ol' Ike, being a joo, instead of trying to save his "kind" allows the Russians to go in first. Here's a hint, ace. It was Roosevelt who pulled those strings...Nice attempt at challenging TRH for KOTY..
These are the things that I believe, and nothing anyone can say or do is going to sway me, or change my mind.
4....It was the Jews that wanted Jesus out of the way. He wasn't bothering the Romans. You can try to put whatever kind of a spin on it you want to, but the Jews were responsible for his death.
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And here all these years we Christians have been led to believe that everything about the conception, birth, life, sufferings, death and resurrection of Jesus was preordained, had to happen and did exactly according to God's plan.
Joken, of course Jesus's life and death were preordained, I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm just saying that it was the Jews themselves who demanded Jesus be crucified, not the Romans, not that it really matters. He was sent here to die for our sins, and perhaps it was God's plan that His "chosen people", the Jews, were the ones who did it. I'm not a theologian, but throughout the Bible, God helped the Jews in every way possible, and promised them that He was going to send Jesus some day. He did, and the vast majority of the Jews rejected him, and are still waiting for thee "real" Savior to arrive on the scene. Well, that "real " Savior did arrive 2000 years ago, and the Jews had him put to death. That's not hard to understand, I don't think.
After reading through all these posts and participating in them, it seems that the greater picture of what was being proposed was totally overlooked. Instead, we were constantly lead down rabbit trails. So yet again, as my jewish uncle would say, it is hidden in plain sight, but ya missed it. Churchhill may have had a good grasp of what was going. Potsdam Yalta..............The Unholy Alliance. I believe that historians 50 years from now will look back to this time in American history, then back to Libya, Iraq, then Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WW II, WW I, Russia, and on back through the ages, shake their heads and say, sure is sad they were blinded and couldn't see it. Beware of the devouring wolf in sheep's clothing.
Thank you. That's what has been on my mind, too. This thread started out as a wonderment at the continual begging for money for a people who were harmed some 70-80 years ago. Then in devolved into a pizzing match (guilty party here) about whether it really even happened, with all of it's attempts to deflect and distract in order to further certain parties prejudices.
Some here are finally getting around to discussing the real problem and the real enemies.
The Jewish persecution by the Nazis was certainly a horror almost beyond belief, but it pales in contrast to the total number of people murdered in furtherance of both Fascism and Communism.
Unfortunately, the Holocaust memorials have been promoted for the sympathy of the Jews at the expense of the all of the other victims. I am, in no way downplaying the focus on international Jewery for persecution by a number of groups over the years, nor the suffering ordinary Jewish families have endured for the activities of some Jews, for these things are all part of history's records, too.
For the people who would focus on the Jewish aspect of the Holocaust and the Holocaust memorials, including the concentration camps and the death camps, I would ask you to look at those memorials, and all of the records extant regarding them, as reminders of the horrors suffered by all of the victims of both Fascism and Communism., before and after WWII, not just the Jews.
Look at it as a reminder of the inevitable effects of human nature when tyrannical leaders are allowed to take power, with the most destructive of those tyrants known as being Fascists and Communists, both creatures of the Left.
K22, I hope that it won't take 50 years more for people to wake up to what has happened and to what is happening. Thankfully, the Internet allows us access to materials that have been hidden from us for decades, even centuries.
On a personal note, I have, over the course of my adulthood, been forced to completely revise my understanding of history and that has made me focus more and more on the "why" of events, and thus look into the perspective of events when they happened, and the prejudices and customs of those times, not in the lens of today. That has given me more "rabbit trails" to follow before returning to the original chase and allowed me a clearer perspective of the events. I certainly don't have all of the answers, because I, too, have discovered that the more I learn, the more I realize that I am ignorant of so much more.
I think there is a lot of truth here. Jews are inordinately successful because of what they as a culture value which are things like education and financial success. A lot, or most of them see money as a seed to making more money and save, invest, start businesses, etc. It generational with them....something passed down. They will save up money and invest it in stocks or property, while sadly, my redneck brethren will save a few dollars and use it as a down payment on something shiny, rinse and repeat, thus ensuring a lifetime of debt servitude which is the textbook way to get on the wrong side of a capitalistic system. People may wind up in debt to "the joos" but no one put a gun to their heads and made them do it. They simply value the "bling" that money can buy more than using money to set themselves up whereas "the joos" take the opposite side of the trade. Human nature being what it is this is going to lead to jealousy, which is going to lead some clown to write something like "the protocols of Zion" so weak minded people can have a scapegoat for their shorcomings .
Then there is the "Christ killer" thing. Anti-Semitism got into the church when Constantine and the pagans took it over and it has been with it ever since. Even Luther the great reformer was an anti-semite for all the good he did. I can overlook the illiterate people of the middle ages under the influence of evil priests, popes, and preachers but I don't see how that is still a thing today, given the fact that most people who go to church these days can read. As a Christian I really have no use for it. Jews thousands of years later don't want to be held responsible for killing Christ in AD 33 anymore than I as a Southerner want to be held responsible for whipping Toby's ass in 1800. So you got 1500 or so years of conflict over that.
All this was firmly in place before the 20th century. Then you had the Bolshevik revolution. People say that Marx was a Jew, but the reality is Marx was a Jew by race who was an atheist and of course the father of Communism. I suspect that most if not all of the communists who overthrew the Czar were atheists many of them of Jewish ancestry. They murdered Russians of all persuasions that did not go along with them including Jewish Russians. Same in China, Vietnam, etc. If you were not a commie, it did not matter what religion or ancestry you were, you were liable to wind up in a camp. Communism IS the religion for commies.
Along comes Hitler. He wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree and probably hated Jews because of reasons one and two. He also hated commies even though he was a socialist of some sort himself. I ain't clear on that admittedly. Jews probably were better off in Germany because they are good with handling money. A lot of Jews were also probably commies. Given the times they were a natural scapegoat for a people who were IMO legitimately screwed by the aftermath of WW1, the treaty of Versailles, etc. The rest is history.
Why so many Jews today are leftists/commies, I don't understand. Really I don't.
If you want to know what happened in history, you have to wade through all the lies and propaganda, particularly regarding wars. A wise man once said, "Truth is the first casualty of war." He was understating it by a mile. Truth is usually irrelevant. People imagine that popular media began focusing on untruths only in the last decade or so, while burying actual facts. This modus is as old as history itself. Here is one example of many:
If we are going to discuss "the Holocaust", we need to first define what that term is. If we are going to dig for facts, it becomes important to look at where the facts are obfuscated intentionally, because lies often point to the truth. If a man has nothing to hide, he will tell the truth often. If he has something to hide, he will lie often. If you are not even allowed to question him regarding his story, is it likely true? If it is illegal in many countries to question the official version of "the Holocaust", is it likely completely true, or completely false? How do scientists feel about the inability to approach a topic to find facts? Do they consider that the topic is already utterly factual?
I'm not going to argue with people on here regarding this stuff. You are generally under-equipped with facts and over-equipped with opinions based on non-facts.
These are the things that I believe, and nothing anyone can say or do is going to sway me, or change my mind.
4....It was the Jews that wanted Jesus out of the way. He wasn't bothering the Romans. You can try to put whatever kind of a spin on it you want to, but the Jews were responsible for his death.
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And here all these years we Christians have been led to believe that everything about the conception, birth, life, sufferings, death and resurrection of Jesus was preordained, had to happen and did exactly according to God's plan.
You are certainly correct. Only the narrowest of minds lay blame on the Jews, of whom Jesus was one by lineage. The "blame" is borne by the entire human race, who Jesus both created and died for, being truly a God above all gods and One the angels marvel over.
So, Ricky, was the Sanhedrin acting as an agent of God, or agents of Satan,” the father of lies”, when they accused Jesus and thus brought about His death at the hands of the Roman Government?
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
If you want to know what happened in history, you have to wade through all the lies and propaganda, particularly regarding wars. A wise man once said, "Truth is the first casualty of war." He was understating it by a mile. Truth is usually irrelevant. People imagine that popular media began focusing on untruths only in the last decade or so, while burying actual facts. This modus is as old as history itself. Here is one example of many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ2X8UWHOjY If we are going to discuss "the Holocaust", we need to first define what that term is. If we are going to dig for facts, it becomes important to look at where the facts are obfuscated intentionally, because lies often point to the truth. If a man has nothing to hide, he will tell the truth often. If he has something to hide, he will lie often. If you are not even allowed to question him regarding his story, is it likely true? If it is illegal in many countries to question the official version of "the Holocaust", is it likely completely true, or completely false? How do scientists feel about the inability to approach a topic to find facts? Do they consider that the topic is already utterly factual? I'm not going to argue with people on here regarding this stuff. You are generally under-equipped with facts and over-equipped with opinions based on non-facts.
HuntnShoot, perhaps I'm too dense, but I don't understand the point of that video, nor what relevance it has to the subject of the murder of ~ 6,000,000 Jews during the Holocaust? Does that video purport to prove something? All I heard and saw were references to the approximate total of all the Jews in Central Europe between 1917 and 1938, and that they were being persecuted in such a manner as to come to a level of a holocaust (small "h") and the pleas of American Jews to help financially with the majority of the financial assistance actually coming from American Jews.
So, Ricky, was the Sanhedrin acting as an agent of God, or agents of Satan,” the father of lies”, when they accused Jesus and thus brought about His death at the hands of the Roman Government?
Pick me, pick me (hand raised, waving wildly) I know, I know, pick me!!!
The small print at the boom of the page indicates that possibly 50,000,000 died in China alone. And that was before Mao killed another 50,000,000 or so to implement Communism after the end of the war.
So ol' Ike, being a joo, instead of trying to save his "kind" allows the Russians to go in first. Here's a hint, ace. It was Roosevelt who pulled those strings...Nice attempt at challenging TRH for KOTY..
Here's a bigger hint "ace", I was answering Indy's post who did the claiming of Ike doing the string pulling.
I don't want this to sound like "some of my best friends are. . ." However, let me give this a shot. Reading through all this, it occurs to me that many of the respondents just are not all that familiar with Jews. They probably aren't around you in any great numbers. You don't have them as neighbors. You don't work beside them.
Cincinnati, as I described earlier, has a big Jewish population. We have a Jews who are practicing all up and down the spectrum from non-practicing all the way to Orthodox. I've had Jewish doctors, a Jewish dentist, several Jewish bosses, and a Jewish accountant. My father, although Lutheran, was born at Jewish Hospital. I grew up with my parent and grand parents shopping at Jewish-owned stores.
While most of the 20th Century was filled with anti-Semitism. I experienced a lot of exactly the reverse. To a stranger to this way of thinking, y'all might label us Jew-lovers. That doesn't quite cover it. The point is that for a bunch of Protestants living in a town with a lot of Jews, the Jews have added a whole lot to the quality of our lives. Good food, fair business partners, great doctors, and phenomenal lawyers. I currently live in a neighborhood that is maybe 25-30% Jewish. It can be a little strange at times, but on the whole, I have good neighbors.
I would be the first to tell you that, despite growing up in the middle of it all, I still find my Jewish acquaintances to be eccentric. For the most part, they loathe firearms. However, if they've spent any time living in Israel, that changes. They can be hard to understand at times, but if you get down to the heart of it, there is a basic obsession with fairness. You'll get into the dangdest arguments over small stuff, but the core of the argument is what is going to be fair. Arguing as a means of deriving truth is big with them. So is negotiating. A Protestant finds this obnoxious. It's just not the way we do things. However, when you get to the bottom of it, most Jews are striving for a Win-Win outcome, so that both parties get what's coming to them.
After reading through all these posts and participating in them, it seems that the greater picture of what was being proposed was totally overlooked. Instead, we were constantly lead down rabbit trails. So yet again, as my jewish uncle would say, it is hidden in plain sight, but ya missed it. Churchhill may have had a good grasp of what was going. Potsdam Yalta..............The Unholy Alliance. I believe that historians 50 years from now will look back to this time in American history, then back to Libya, Iraq, then Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WW II, WW I, Russia, and on back through the ages, shake their heads and say, sure is sad they were blinded and couldn't see it. Beware of the devouring wolf in sheep's clothing.
Thank you. That's what has been on my mind, too. This thread started out as a wonderment at the continual begging for money for a people who were harmed some 70-80 years ago. Then in devolved into a pizzing match (guilty party here) about whether it really even happened, with all of it's attempts to deflect and distract in order to further certain parties prejudices.
Some here are finally getting around to discussing the real problem and the real enemies.
The Jewish persecution by the Nazis was certainly a horror almost beyond belief, but it pales in contrast to the total number of people murdered in furtherance of both Fascism and Communism.
Unfortunately, the Holocaust memorials have been promoted for the sympathy of the Jews at the expense of the all of the other victims. I am, in no way downplaying the focus on international Jewery for persecution by a number of groups over the years, nor the suffering ordinary Jewish families have endured for the activities of some Jews, for these things are all part of history's records, too.
For the people who would focus on the Jewish aspect of the Holocaust and the Holocaust memorials, including the concentration camps and the death camps, I would ask you to look at those memorials, and all of the records extant regarding them, as reminders of the horrors suffered by all of the victims of both Fascism and Communism., before and after WWII, not just the Jews.
Look at it as a reminder of the inevitable effects of human nature when tyrannical leaders are allowed to take power, with the most destructive of those tyrants known as being Fascists and Communists, both creatures of the Left.
K22, I hope that it won't take 50 years more for people to wake up to what has happened and to what is happening. Thankfully, the Internet allows us access to materials that have been hidden from us for decades, even centuries.
On a personal note, I have, over the course of my adulthood, been forced to completely revise my understanding of history and that has made me focus more and more on the "why" of events, and thus look into the perspective of events when they happened, and the prejudices and customs of those times, not in the lens of today. That has given me more "rabbit trails" to follow before returning to the original chase and allowed me a clearer perspective of the events. I certainly don't have all of the answers, because I, too, have discovered that the more I learn, the more I realize that I am ignorant of so much more.
Ed
Yes, thank you. We certainly agree. Trying to avoid the 50year thing is why I even both posting on threads of this type. And Huntnshoot, I agree with your post.
This is an interesting thread. I don't have time to read it all right now but I will come back. I think the original poster has an agenda and is biased against Jews. However, I think it is interesting how people are reacting so aggressively to him questioning the holocaust. (Remember the NBA player who denied the earth was round? People didn't get emotional about it.) Why is this subject so taboo? It is illegal to question the details of the Holocaust in most of Europe. I find that very strange.
I try to look at things objectively. I don't doubt the persecution of Jews or the Holocaust but there are some irregularities in the details (i.e. stories of lampshades and soap) and witnesses who were not credible (Elie Weisel). It seems to me people are either anti-semites who want to deny the Holocaust or on the other side, people who have some macabre attachment to the Holocaust that are outraged by any suggestion of inaccuracies in the details. There is so much bias that I doubt we will ever know what happened exactly. My gut tells me that most of it occurred but that some of the details have been enhanced for use as atrocity propaganda.
So..................have we declared a winner yet as to who was the biggest bad ass that killed the mostest people yet?
That will probably be an easier declaration than who is the 24 HCF biggest and baddest bad ass.
This thread is SNL worthy................. If only Chevy Chase was available to play Hitler it would be epic..........
Chairman Mao would probably take top honors with Stalin and Hitler as second and third.
Who would Chevy play? I'm thinking that if John Belushi were still alive he would make THE best Hermann Goering, Dan Ackroyd as Heinrich Himmler, Bobcat Golwaithe as Joseph Goebbels, Madelyn Kahn as Eva Braun.
I think Bill Burr would make the perfect Hitler. Chevy would make Himmler proud.
most Jews are striving for a Win-Win outcome, so that both parties get what's coming to them.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need,...kind of "win-win" outcomes?
Which is probably a good reason why Socialism can seem so attractive. However, it is not a universal attraction. The first name which comes to mind is Milton Friedman.
So..................have we declared a winner yet as to who was the biggest bad ass that killed the mostest people yet?
That will probably be an easier declaration than who is the 24 HCF biggest and baddest bad ass.
This thread is SNL worthy................. If only Chevy Chase was available to play Hitler it would be epic..........
Chairman Mao would probably take top honors with Stalin and Hitler as second and third.
Who would Chevy play? I'm thinking that if John Belushi were still alive he would make THE best Hermann Goering, Dan Ackroyd as Heinrich Himmler, Bobcat Golwaithe as Joseph Goebbels, Madelyn Kahn as Eva Braun.
I think Bill Burr would make the perfect Hitler. Chevy would make Himmler proud.
The Unz Review is an interesting blog. It's pretty much an Alt-Right/Alt-Lite/New Right page. It's a little bit of this,..a little bit of that. Some of it isn't even of a political nature. The owner of the page, Ron Unz is Jewish.
This essay was published on it a few days ago. Some people might find it interesting.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
How do you explain all of the insecticide?
What do you mean? Zyklon-B? It was a commonly used product for fumigating clothing. We did the same thing at Ellis Island. First step upon entering Ellis Island was to have your clothes fumigated for head lice. Same with the concentration camps.
So, Ricky, was the Sanhedrin acting as an agent of God, or agents of Satan,” the father of lies”, when they accused Jesus and thus brought about His death at the hands of the Roman Government?
Neither. They were acting like normal azzhole human beings act when they think more of themselves than they're worth and are scared chitless their jig may be up, of course. But I'd hope you knew that.
He knew how it would all work out and exactly when and with the right people in place. That omniscience thing, being considerably in His favor.
After reading through all these posts and participating in them, it seems that the greater picture of what was being proposed was totally overlooked. Instead, we were constantly lead down rabbit trails. So yet again, as my jewish uncle would say, it is hidden in plain sight, but ya missed it. Churchhill may have had a good grasp of what was going. Potsdam Yalta..............The Unholy Alliance. I believe that historians 50 years from now will look back to this time in American history, then back to Libya, Iraq, then Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WW II, WW I, Russia, and on back through the ages, shake their heads and say, sure is sad they were blinded and couldn't see it. Beware of the devouring wolf in sheep's clothing.
Thank you. That's what has been on my mind, too. This thread started out as a wonderment at the continual begging for money for a people who were harmed some 70-80 years ago. Then in devolved into a pizzing match (guilty party here) about whether it really even happened, with all of it's attempts to deflect and distract in order to further certain parties prejudices.
Some here are finally getting around to discussing the real problem and the real enemies.
The Jewish persecution by the Nazis was certainly a horror almost beyond belief, but it pales in contrast to the total number of people murdered in furtherance of both Fascism and Communism.
Unfortunately, the Holocaust memorials have been promoted for the sympathy of the Jews at the expense of the all of the other victims. I am, in no way downplaying the focus on international Jewery for persecution by a number of groups over the years, nor the suffering ordinary Jewish families have endured for the activities of some Jews, for these things are all part of history's records, too.
For the people who would focus on the Jewish aspect of the Holocaust and the Holocaust memorials, including the concentration camps and the death camps, I would ask you to look at those memorials, and all of the records extant regarding them, as reminders of the horrors suffered by all of the victims of both Fascism and Communism., before and after WWII, not just the Jews.
Look at it as a reminder of the inevitable effects of human nature when tyrannical leaders are allowed to take power, with the most destructive of those tyrants known as being Fascists and Communists, both creatures of the Left.
K22, I hope that it won't take 50 years more for people to wake up to what has happened and to what is happening. Thankfully, the Internet allows us access to materials that have been hidden from us for decades, even centuries.
On a personal note, I have, over the course of my adulthood, been forced to completely revise my understanding of history and that has made me focus more and more on the "why" of events, and thus look into the perspective of events when they happened, and the prejudices and customs of those times, not in the lens of today. That has given me more "rabbit trails" to follow before returning to the original chase and allowed me a clearer perspective of the events. I certainly don't have all of the answers, because I, too, have discovered that the more I learn, the more I realize that I am ignorant of so much more.
After reading through all these posts and participating in them, it seems that the greater picture of what was being proposed was totally overlooked. Instead, we were constantly lead down rabbit trails. So yet again, as my jewish uncle would say, it is hidden in plain sight, but ya missed it. Churchhill may have had a good grasp of what was going. Potsdam Yalta..............The Unholy Alliance. I believe that historians 50 years from now will look back to this time in American history, then back to Libya, Iraq, then Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WW II, WW I, Russia, and on back through the ages, shake their heads and say, sure is sad they were blinded and couldn't see it. Beware of the devouring wolf in sheep's clothing.
Thank you. That's what has been on my mind, too. This thread started out as a wonderment at the continual begging for money for a people who were harmed some 70-80 years ago. Then in devolved into a pizzing match (guilty party here) about whether it really even happened, with all of it's attempts to deflect and distract in order to further certain parties prejudices.
Some here are finally getting around to discussing the real problem and the real enemies.
The Jewish persecution by the Nazis was certainly a horror almost beyond belief, but it pales in contrast to the total number of people murdered in furtherance of both Fascism and Communism.
Unfortunately, the Holocaust memorials have been promoted for the sympathy of the Jews at the expense of the all of the other victims. I am, in no way downplaying the focus on international Jewery for persecution by a number of groups over the years, nor the suffering ordinary Jewish families have endured for the activities of some Jews, for these things are all part of history's records, too.
For the people who would focus on the Jewish aspect of the Holocaust and the Holocaust memorials, including the concentration camps and the death camps, I would ask you to look at those memorials, and all of the records extant regarding them, as reminders of the horrors suffered by all of the victims of both Fascism and Communism., before and after WWII, not just the Jews.
Look at it as a reminder of the inevitable effects of human nature when tyrannical leaders are allowed to take power, with the most destructive of those tyrants known as being Fascists and Communists, both creatures of the Left.
K22, I hope that it won't take 50 years more for people to wake up to what has happened and to what is happening. Thankfully, the Internet allows us access to materials that have been hidden from us for decades, even centuries.
On a personal note, I have, over the course of my adulthood, been forced to completely revise my understanding of history and that has made me focus more and more on the "why" of events, and thus look into the perspective of events when they happened, and the prejudices and customs of those times, not in the lens of today. That has given me more "rabbit trails" to follow before returning to the original chase and allowed me a clearer perspective of the events. I certainly don't have all of the answers, because I, too, have discovered that the more I learn, the more I realize that I am ignorant of so much more.
Ed
Well said Ed ..
Yes, it was.
I'm not sure if this has been touched upon, or not, but a significant (at least to me) difference between the deaths of the Jews and the death of others, was the Nazi's were striving for a final solution regarding the Jews, to literally wipe them off the face of the earth for all time with no regard for anything but their lineage. Hitler et al, made a good run at that but got started a little late. Of course, even if the Nazi's had gotten the bomb first and had taken over the world, they would likely still be cleaning up the last holdouts even now. I believe it takes a special evil to wish annihilation on any sect of people who have already, and long ago, been dispersed around the globe and present no danger, other than getting the best of the less shrewd in business deals.
I don't want this to sound like "some of my best friends are. . ." However, let me give this a shot. Reading through all this, it occurs to me that many of the respondents just are not all that familiar with Jews. They probably aren't around you in any great numbers. You don't have them as neighbors. You don't work beside them.
Cincinnati, as I described earlier, has a big Jewish population. We have a Jews who are practicing all up and down the spectrum from non-practicing all the way to Orthodox. I've had Jewish doctors, a Jewish dentist, several Jewish bosses, and a Jewish accountant. My father, although Lutheran, was born at Jewish Hospital. I grew up with my parent and grand parents shopping at Jewish-owned stores.
While most of the 20th Century was filled with anti-Semitism. I experienced a lot of exactly the reverse. To a stranger to this way of thinking, y'all might label us Jew-lovers. That doesn't quite cover it. The point is that for a bunch of Protestants living in a town with a lot of Jews, the Jews have added a whole lot to the quality of our lives. Good food, fair business partners, great doctors, and phenomenal lawyers. I currently live in a neighborhood that is maybe 25-30% Jewish. It can be a little strange at times, but on the whole, I have good neighbors.
I would be the first to tell you that, despite growing up in the middle of it all, I still find my Jewish acquaintances to be eccentric. For the most part, they loathe firearms. However, if they've spent any time living in Israel, that changes. They can be hard to understand at times, but if you get down to the heart of it, there is a basic obsession with fairness. You'll get into the dangdest arguments over small stuff, but the core of the argument is what is going to be fair. Arguing as a means of deriving truth is big with them. So is negotiating. A Protestant finds this obnoxious. It's just not the way we do things. However, when you get to the bottom of it, most Jews are striving for a Win-Win outcome, so that both parties get what's coming to them.
Shaman, That is very interesting indeed. I have lived almost my entire life in the Intermountain West, where Jewish people are few and far between. However,my business has what they call a "kosher certification" for producing additives used in the food industry. I have visits from Orthodox rabbis 5 to 6 times per year and they are very fair and forthright to deal with. I like them. I wish more of the people I deal with locally were as honest.
present no danger, other than getting the best of the less shrewd in business deals.
55,000,000 Russians would disagree with you about the no danger situation if they weren't too dead to talk.
This. Best kept secret in history. Public knowledge, but a secret because no one knows about it apart from those few who habitually look past the Potemkin Village that's presented to us as official history.
That, and who the victimizers were of the Russian people, and in European Turkey vis a vis the Armenian Genocide. In both cases, it was the Chosen People, so we never hear about it, and there are no TV shows or movies about it.
present no danger, other than getting the best of the less shrewd in business deals.
55,000,000 Russians would disagree with you about the no danger situation if they weren't too dead to talk.
The many Russian Jews among them would disagree. Stalin was an equal opportunity mass murderer his entire life. No group was spared in his purges.
Yeah, to some extent, the monster the Jews created to avenge themselves on Russian Christendom did get taken from them and turned against them to a certain degree with the rise of Stalin. That's the danger inherent in creating monsters. Yet international Jewry remained hopeful that they'd reacquire control over the monster they created, and only gradually lost faith in this hope. The fall of Yeltson was the last straw for them, after which they switched from pro-Russian state (when it was persecuting and murdering Christians), to anti-Russian state (when it started removing Jews from power).
In truth, the Jews were anti-Russian from the start, and never stopped being anti-Russian. The whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia. Only when the Russian people gradually reclaimed control of the Russian state did the Jews turn against it again (as they were under the Czars), and that's where they are today, which is why the whole MSM and deep state establishment in the US are hostile toward everything Russian today.
If you want to know what happened in history, you have to wade through all the lies and propaganda, particularly regarding wars. A wise man once said, "Truth is the first casualty of war." He was understating it by a mile. Truth is usually irrelevant. People imagine that popular media began focusing on untruths only in the last decade or so, while burying actual facts. This modus is as old as history itself. Here is one example of many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ2X8UWHOjY If we are going to discuss "the Holocaust", we need to first define what that term is. If we are going to dig for facts, it becomes important to look at where the facts are obfuscated intentionally, because lies often point to the truth. If a man has nothing to hide, he will tell the truth often. If he has something to hide, he will lie often. If you are not even allowed to question him regarding his story, is it likely true? If it is illegal in many countries to question the official version of "the Holocaust", is it likely completely true, or completely false? How do scientists feel about the inability to approach a topic to find facts? Do they consider that the topic is already utterly factual? I'm not going to argue with people on here regarding this stuff. You are generally under-equipped with facts and over-equipped with opinions based on non-facts.
HuntnShoot, perhaps I'm too dense, but I don't understand the point of that video, nor what relevance it has to the subject of the murder of ~ 6,000,000 Jews during the Holocaust? Does that video purport to prove something? All I heard and saw were references to the approximate total of all the Jews in Central Europe between 1917 and 1938, and that they were being persecuted in such a manner as to come to a level of a holocaust (small "h") and the pleas of American Jews to help financially with the majority of the financial assistance actually coming from American Jews.
What am I missing?
Ed
What you missed, Ed, was that at least 10 times between 1915 and 1938, Jews were claiming that their "Holocaust" was occurring somewhere, and that 6 million Jews were dead and dying. And the stories of these various "Holocausts" were published in major newspapers here in the US, along with pleas for aid in the form of money. From what I can see, this Holocaust thing is just a scam that Jews keep running on goyim to get sympathy bucks. Watch the video again and read the papers shown. Or go to a library and start digging. That's what it takes if you actually want to know what happened.
Shaman, That is very interesting indeed. I have lived almost my entire life in the Intermountain West, where Jewish people are few and far between. However,my business has what they call a "kosher certification" for producing additives used in the food industry. I have visits from Orthodox rabbis 5 to 6 times per year and they are very fair and forthright to deal with. I like them. I wish more of the people I deal with locally were as honest.
My grandparents were from Marburg and Biedenkopf. One thing that was clear to me was their preference for Jews in everything about their lives. This was true of a lot of Germans born in the late 19th Century. A Jewish neighbor was more likely to keep up his property. A Jewish butcher was more likely to have cleaner facilities. A Jewish doctor would have the best training. A Jewish Deli had the best lunch meat and wine.
Growing up, I found my father's admonition to be true: "To have a Jew as a friend is to have a true friend." I was a Methodist kid growing up in a Presbyterian church. Most of my neighbors were Presbyterians. Frankly, no one in that bunch was my friend. I did not feel particularly close to any of them. One kid, a Jewish boy named Freddy, was by far my closest friend. Quirky? Yes, Odd? Definitely. However, Freddy was by far the best friend I could have asked for in those days. Dad had transferred to Miami Beach High School just before being drafted in 1944. He was an outsider and a 2nd Gen German at a time when the U-Boats were sinking ships just off the beach. He got treated roughly by the other gentile boys until he was adopted by the Jewish fraternity. The Jews stuck up for him, and he for them.
OK, so help me out: Prior to 1989, the total number was 6,000,000. Then, in 1989, Auschwitz historians reduced the number they claimed died there by 2.5 million, yet the total of 6,000,000 remains standing? In what universe is that good math?
PS After the war, the International Red Cross (who had access to all facilities that contained prisoners under German control throughout the war) established the total number of deaths among all German captives (including all ethnic groups) on the order of a few hundred thousand, most deaths being from disease, particularly typhus which spread like wildfire in the last months of the war due to bombed German supply lines.
PPS The International Red Cross somehow missed the gas chambers during their inspections.
PPPS Several camp Commandants were executed by the German High Command for failure to properly care for captives in the camps. At least one was shot specifically for ordering the shooting of two Jews who had inadvertently discovered that he had just been diagnosed with syphilis. Odd, if the purpose of the camps was the elimination of Jews.
So if there were 11 Holocausts between 1915 and 1945, there were actually 66 miillion Jews killed. And there were at least another 5 between 1900 and 1915....
It's a farce. A snowjob. And that's why it is illegal across Europe to even question the facts, even when the "facts" have changed countless times since the official version arose after Nuremberg. And why you will be ostracized here in the US if you ever dare question, and if you go public with questions, the ADL will sue you. Yep, totally above board.
I can tell you this much: there were enough f'd up people with tattoos running around my part of the world as I was growing up, people who were permanently maimed by the experience of losing their whole families in the camps, that I cannot doubt something seriously bad happened to them. This is not something you'd fake.
Secondly, as I've said before, I've met enough folks over the years that thought it was safe to talk to me that I'm certain there was mass extermination going on. Not only were these guys unrepentant, but they were proud of it. Again, this is something that nobody would want to fake. Heck, by that time, they were rounding up the perps here and deporting them. Nobody would want to admit to this sort of thing just for the fun of it.
If the number is 6 mil, fine. I'm sure they'd have done 7 mil if the war had kept going.
Well, when that mush mouthed Rabbi comes on your TV asking for Passover donations to help the poor starving holocaust victims buy their special groceries you better double your donation because he ain’t getting anything from me.
I can tell you this much: there were enough f'd up people with tattoos running around my part of the world as I was growing up, people who were permanently maimed by the experience of losing their whole families in the camps, that I cannot doubt something seriously bad happened to them. This is not something you'd fake.
Secondly, as I've said before, I've met enough folks over the years that thought it was safe to talk to me that I'm certain there was mass extermination going on. Not only were these guys unrepentant, but they were proud of it. Again, this is something that nobody would want to fake. Heck, by that time, they were rounding up the perps here and deporting them. Nobody would want to admit to this sort of thing just for the fun of it.
If the number is 6 mil, fine. I'm sure they'd have done 7 mil if the war had kept going.
A large percent of the cases of "missing family members" resulted from the clusterfuck that occurred during the collapse of German occupied territory and the advance of Soviet troops. First off, families got separated by their genders, professions, ages, etc., upon arrival in the camps. If one camp needed more gardeners or machinists, those folks would go there, and the rest were sent elsewhere. Then, when it all fell apart, some were taken by the Soviets and given citizenship in one of its satellite states, or the Soviet Union proper. Those people were told that their relatives were all dead, and the Iron Curtain prevented their finding out otherwise. Likewise, many of those who ended up in the free West were told that their relatives that had been relocated in the Soviet system were dead. It was commonplace for families that were sure their lost relatives were dead to discover, many years later, that they were alive and well somewhere else in the world.
Of course many did legitimately die in the camps, but not from gas chambers. About two percent of the Japanese Americans in our internment camps died while in captivity, and they never suffered loss or shortage of vitally needed supplies as the German camps did.
Actually, I don't know why the question needs to be either asked or answered. Whatever the answer is, it's not going to change the perception that's been nurtured over the past 70 years.
I think it's much more important for young people to learn *all* of the dynamics which created the situation that existed in Europe during the first half of the 20th century and how they relate to what's happening in the world today.
So..................have we declared a winner yet as to who was the biggest bad ass that killed the mostest people yet?
That will probably be an easier declaration than who is the 24 HCF biggest and baddest bad ass.
This thread is SNL worthy................. If only Chevy Chase was available to play Hitler it would be epic..........
Campfire rules allow for absolute condemnation of all Muslims, Catholic bashing, up to a point, but ZERO criticism of Jews.
Those who do not observe the rules will be labeled with the dreaded” idiot” tag. And “idiot” will not even be capitalized.
That’ll by god teach ‘em.
You forgot to add the discussions on here about slavery and the cause of the War of Northern Aggression. One of the Campfires unwritten rules states..........Thou cannot slander Honest Abe, and the blame for secession and slavery must be placed solely on the South.
...What you missed, Ed, was that at least 10 times between 1915 and 1938, Jews were claiming that their "Holocaust" was occurring somewhere, and that 6 million Jews were dead and dying. And the stories of these various "Holocausts" were published in major newspapers here in the US, along with pleas for aid in the form of money. From what I can see, this Holocaust thing is just a scam that Jews keep running on goyim to get sympathy bucks. Watch the video again and read the papers shown. Or go to a library and start digging. That's what it takes if you actually want to know what happened.
I watched it twice.
OK, that's what I thought the purpose of the video was, but it is quite misleading.
There is no mention in any of the newspaper articles that each and every article was a separate event, nor that 6 million Jews were killed for each article, but that's the inference the author of that video would have us believe.
A holocaust was occurring, and those were just a series of articles referring to the same 6 million Jews living in Eastern Europe at the time. A holocaust is defined as "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.". The Jews were familiar with the term as it also was used to refer to a burnt offering of sacrifice.
There was no reference to THE Holocaust in those articles, which was the totality of all of those years of persecution, just the current events at that time.
The author of that video is being deceptive by alluding to all of those articles as referring to individual "holocausts" of 6 million Jews.
THE Holocaust didn't just happen when Hitler was in power, it was happening back in Europe and Russia back as far as the Russian Revolution. It was a prolonged event, as documented in those articles.
To me, that video is worthless as "journalism" or any proof of anything, because it is intentionally misleading.
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
Ed, Since you’re one of the men here who’s opinion I deeply respect I appreciate your <obviously> learned perspective on this topic and religious topics in general.
...Thou cannot slander Honest Abe, and the blame for secession and slavery must be placed solely on the South.
OK, I'm up for hijacking this thread...I'll slander that Communist azzhole, Abe Lincoln. Lincoln, our first Communist President.
Loyal friend of both Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Lincoln's Cabinet included the man, Charles Dana, Assistant Secretary of War, former employee of Horace Greeley, another avowed Marxist, and editor of Marx's "Communist Manifesto".
Greeley and Lincoln created the Republican Party because the Whigs weren't leftists enough. Lincoln's first public speech as an elected politician was in the Illinois Legislature and was highly critical of Capitalism as it oppressed both the slaves in the South and the laborers in the Industrial North.
Greeley paid Marx a monthly stipend while he was working on the Communist Manifesto as Marx had fled Germany due to his leftist political activities, fomenting revolution against the Kaiser.
The Communist azzhole, Lincoln basically ripped up the Constitution, ignored the SCOTUS when his actions were deemed unconstitutional, seized and imprisoned political prisoners, including newspaper editors in Maryland for writing articles unfavorable to Lincoln and his policies, seized property of civilians without compensation, and ignored habeus corpus.
Ed, Since you’re one of the men here who’s opinion I deeply respect I appreciate your <obviously> learned perspective on this topic and religious topics in general.
My best regards to you and your family.
Thanks for the kind words, I'm just stumbling through life, trying to make sense of it and not make the same F'ed up mistakes our ancestors have.
...What’s Rabbi Eckstien gonna do when all of his die off?
Are Jewish Victims on the verge of extinction?
Yup. And...the way things are going in the M.E. with Iran, the entire nation of Israel may go extinct, too. Wonder who will be receiving all of that U.S. aid as well as the donations?
Shall we change our names to Rabinowitz, Goldberg, or Eckstein and start a TV campaign now before the rush?
. The ESTABLISHMENT, who ran the country under the Roman thumb wanted him out of the way. Why? Because they feared his popularity would cause an uprising against Rome ..
not necessarily against Rome (Jesus had no issue with Rome like the zealot rebels did), it was more about the effect of Jesus against the hyporcritical Jewish religious Heirachy alligned with Rome..
Rome /Pilate had no real issue with Jesus, but Caiaphas pressed/exploited the issue of the Jewish powers grievances with Jesus, to the point where Pilate (as Roman Prefect of Judeah) could not avoid the issue, even then he diplomatically put it back in the hands of the jewish People to decide on the fate of Jesus, and when incited by Caiaphas-high priests-elders, the fickle crowd elected that Jesus should die instead of Barabbus.
Jesus faced an official Jewish trail, followed by condemnation by Jewish mob-sheep mentality, but was sentenced according to Roman overlord law of the land.
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
What history do you read Indy? Where did the money for the overthrow come from? And at the time, who was the leader of the Bolshevik revolution? Does Lev Davidovich Bronstein ring any bells for ya? Who arrested his ass and took the gold and cash he was carrying to fund the Revolution? Does Canada ring a bell? How about the slimes who financed it? Jacob Schiff jar any memories? How about Rothschild? What was Stalin and Lenin's real names? Baptized as Christians? Maybe you should talk to the Russian Orthodox Church about that. Hey, one of my son in laws is a Russian Orthodox Priest, you could ask him. He's pretty up on this. He can also put you in touch with 20 plus more Russian Orthodox Priests, of course that is if you really want to know. Plan on taking a couple of years to study their Russian history. The Russian Orthodox Church is kind of up on it. I'm sure they would love to hear your version of it.
...What’s Rabbi Eckstien gonna do when all of his die off?
Are Jewish Victims on the verge of extinction?
Yup. And...the way things are going in the M.E. with Iran, the entire nation of Israel may go extinct, too. Wonder who will be receiving all of that U.S. aid as well as the donations?
Shall we change our names to Rabinowitz, Goldberg, or Eckstein and start a TV campaign now before the rush?
Ed
Ed, This thing between Iran and Israel scary to watch. Israel wants to eliminate Iran, but as far as I can remember Iran never threatened them. Not until Israel first threatened them. Anyway, just for a point of knowledge. Iran initially was called Persia, but changed their name to Iran for some reason ( I kind of know why). Anyway, do you know what the work Iran means in Farsi?
Israel spent yrs complaining about IRAQ as its primary threat to existence before Iran, Israel supported Iran in the Iran-Iraq war...if/when Iran is dealt with, Israel will conveniently find another to complain about...the fact that Israel gov. align with the policies of radical Wahabi Islam Saudi Arabia is rather telling.. but considering Israel spawned the seeds of Hamas its should then be of no real surprise.
... just for a point of knowledge. Iran initially was called Persia, but changed their name to Iran for some reason ( I kind of know why). Anyway, do you know what the work Iran means in Farsi?
I knew about Persia, and that they are NOT Arabs, and I don't have a clue what Iran means in Farsi.
That's one language I have no desire to learn, though I probably should.
Israel spent yrs complaining about IRAQ as its primary threat to existence before Iran, Israel supported Iran in the Iran-Iraq war...if/when Iran is dealt with, Israel will conveniently find another to complain about...the fact that Israel gov. align with the policies of radical Wahabi Islam Saudi Arabia is rather telling.. but considering Israel spawned the seeds of Hamas its should then be of no real surprise.
A couple of points...
I think (I know, that's dangerous) that the reason behind the previous ire for Iraq and not Iran was Saddam Hussein and his penchant for genocide. Sort of the "lesser of two evils" kind of thing.
So far as Israel now aligning with Saudi Arabia, the new Prince is a very moderate Muslim and is trying to move the country away from Whabiism. He is also going to need every ally in that region he can get because the other Muslim nations are filled with folks who would like to rub them out almost as much as the Israelis. The House of Saud has been top dog for a very long time and some believe far too long.
That whole Israeli/Saud thing is another subject which the details are hidden from us mere mortals.
Israel spent yrs complaining about IRAQ as its primary threat to existence before Iran, Israel supported Iran in the Iran-Iraq war...if/when Iran is dealt with, Israel will conveniently find another to complain about...the fact that Israel gov. align with the policies of radical Wahabi Islam Saudi Arabia is rather telling.. but considering Israel spawned the seeds of Hamas its should then be of no real surprise.
For sure Starman. It would not be stretching it to say that Saudi Arabia was setup by Israel who still control them. Remember when Israel complained about Libya? Libya was keeping the Muslim terrorist at bay. They conned the U.S. (with cash for Hillary of course) to take out Libya on BS charges and everyone gets over run by terrorists. Now Israel wants the Persians out of the way. Iran translates as Aryan. Both in Farsi and Sanskrit. That what the Persians are. White people.
I think Israel and Saudi Arabia have been friends for longer than we realize and the new Prince is only going to strengthen those ties.
Israel and Saudi Arabia have one important thing in common in that every country around them wants to kill them. That’s a strong motivator to have a friend with a common enemy.
Israel spent yrs complaining about IRAQ as its primary threat to existence before Iran, Israel supported Iran in the Iran-Iraq war...if/when Iran is dealt with, Israel will conveniently find another to complain about...the fact that Israel gov. align with the policies of radical Wahabi Islam Saudi Arabia is rather telling.. but considering Israel spawned the seeds of Hamas its should then be of no real surprise.
For sure Starman. It would not be stretching it to say that Saudi Arabia was setup by Israel who still control them. Remember when Israel complained about Libya? Libya was keeping the Muslim terrorist at bay. They conned the U.S. (with cash for Hillary of course) to take out Libya on BS charges and everyone gets over run by terrorists. Now Israel wants the Persians out of the way. Iran translates as Aryan. Both in Farsi and Sanskrit. That what the Persians are. White people.
Thank you K22, I'll read up on this .
''Evidently from the time of the Sassanids (226–651 CE) Iranians have called it Iran, meaning "the land of Aryans" and Iranshahr. ... In the mid 1930s, the ruler of the country, Reza Shah Pahlavi, moved towards formalising the name Iran instead of Persia for all purposes.''
...Iran translates as Aryan. Both in Farsi and Sanskrit. That what the Persians are. White people.
Thank you K22, I'll read up on this . ''Evidently from the time of the Sassanids (226–651 CE) Iranians have called it Iran, meaning "the land of Aryans" and Iranshahr. ... In the mid 1930s, the ruler of the country, Reza Shah Pahlavi, moved towards formalising the name Iran instead of Persia for all purposes.''
Thanks to both of you. That explains why Ahminadinnerjacket looked more like a Caucasian than an Arab.
I've learned a couple of things today. I think my brain is full.
I house sat for a man [Rick] after I sold my first spec.- house .
He lived across the street - we hit it off and he told me nearly everything in media and history was a bunch of twisted lies to benefit the media people govt/globalist tycoons . He had a library of material on the topic of russia - the czars - bolsheviks - who they were - holocaust - israel etc. etc. . I was about 30yrs old back then he was about 45yrs old and getting ready to retire from the Airforce after heading to okinawa for one more go-round - 7 months . I lived at his place [house sitting] for him during his stint in okinawa [paid only the utilities]
Anyway Rick was a walking/talking encyclopedia on the topic being discussed here , I read some things he said would enlighen me on the topic of middle east/israel/holocaust/russia/bolsheviks etc. - putting it all together took a while - years in fact .
As someone stated in this thread - trying to discuss this topic with someone who gets info. from media - college etc. - is a waste of time . You'll only hear -- go back to stormfront you redneck . The same people who might or might not have figured out the SPLC/ACLU/EU are not our friends .
Rick explained many things - loaned me books to read etc. and would call me and often tell me what the upcoming narrative would be on things like the gulf war and he was always right .
Before I knew how serious the gulf war was going to be - he told me that there would be villains created very soon in the media in order to get things kicked off in a war . Sure enough there was the crying kuwaiti/american girl telling how Iraqi soldiers were throwing newborn babies out the windows of hospitals . Rick said I bet that's BS - time will tell ! I admired his knowledge on what was the real truth on things , and how he could sort through the narrative the media outlets would spew .
There are several folks here who are very knowledgeable on these topics - thanks .
I forget where I read 250,000. My memory is not perfect. It may have been the total for the entire Russian advance and not just the capture of Berlin, or something else entirely.
Your post is interesting. I think it points out that Stalin did not worry much about saving the lives of his soldiers. Eisenhower and the Americans did.
Hitler didn't either, and wanted to punish the German people for letting him down. What if the Germans had been willing to negotiate a controlled surrender a few months later, say, after the Battle of the Bulge. At that time it was obvious they would lost the war. How many lives might have been saved?
Indy,
Hitler's thoughts were much like Tojo's over the fate of his nation or empire...
They were willing to let it be wiped from the face of the earth, than to have it surrender and be defeated..
one thing people forget about HItler.. he WAS NOT a German.. he was an Austrian.. born in the Austro Hungarian Empire, their orientation to conquer was toward the East, not toward the West. Conquests made at the expense of the slavs and Russians..
Hitler's entire aim was to expand German "Lebens Raum" at the expense of the Russians... He hated the French, but admired the British.. he had no intention of taking away Britain's Empire. He wanted France to be controlled so they wouldn't expose his 'back door' in the west, while his Army expanded Germany's territories eastward....Sadly Churchill wouldn't allow Germany to have peace.. and let them expand toward the Soviet Borders.. and into Russia...even tho Churchill hated communists..
If you have ever read anything about the Battle of Berlin, its the kind of stuff, you just can't put the book down. Germany only had one actual division that existed in the real world,( not just existing on paper with no men or equipment).. in Berlin at the time of the Russian Assault.. it was made up of Scandinavian volunteers, who had joined the Wehrmacht to fight against communism... they were being transferred to the West Front to fight the Allies... finding this out when they reached Berlin.. they refused to go and fight the western allies... despite being threatened to being all killed, they still refused...so they were the only real total unit in Berlin when the Soviets attacked...the 10th or 11th SS Nordland Division.
Hitler had sent out death squads to kill German Civilians, so they would not fall into Russian hands.. they were being herded into the Subway System, they the entrances sealed and the subway flooded. They were shooting German civilians on the Streets....broken into Squads, the Scandinavian Troops were busy fighting other German SS Death Squads and the Soviets at the same time...defending Berlin from both SS Death Squads and the Soviets...These SS Death Squads, altho listed as SS Units, were not Wehrmacht Units, but the ones that were assigned to the Concentration Camps...regular SS troops wanted nothing to do with them...
The Battle of Berlin was a blood bath on all sides...Hitler's desires were for the German Nation to be wiped from the face of the earth instead of falling into surrender with the Soviets....
Hitlers dreams and his blind followers is what kept the war going thru to May of 1945...
But then if you ever can find them... read what the Pentagon and the Truman Administration were considering the cost to be to defeat Japan by invasion...hence why it was an easy decision to drop the Atomic Bomb.... estimates were between 4 to 6 million troops KILLED to take the Japanese Homeland.. and it was considered Japan would cease to exist...
I house sat for a man [Rick] after I sold my first spec.- house .
He lived across the street - we hit it off and he told me nearly everything in media and history was a bunch of twisted lies to benefit the media people govt/globalist tycoons . He had a library of material on the topic of russia - the czars - bolsheviks - who they were - holocaust - israel etc. etc. . I was about 30yrs old back then he was about 45yrs old and getting ready to retire from the Airforce after heading to okinawa for one more go-round - 7 months . I lived at his place [house sitting] for him during his stint in okinawa [paid only the utilities]
Anyway Rick was a walking/talking encyclopedia on the topic being discussed here , I read some things he said would enlighen me on the topic of middle east/israel/holocaust/russia/bolsheviks etc. - putting it all together took a while - years in fact .
As someone stated in this thread - trying to discuss this topic with someone who gets info. from media - college etc. - is a waste of time . You'll only hear -- go back to stormfront you redneck . The same people who might or might not have figured out the SPLC/ACLU/EU are not our friends .
Rick explained many things - loaned me books to read etc. and would call me and often tell me what the upcoming narrative would be on things like the gulf war and he was always right .
Before I knew how serious the gulf war was going to be - he told me that there would be villains created very soon in the media in order to get things kicked off in a war . Sure enough there was the crying kuwaiti/american girl telling how Iraqi soldiers were throwing newborn babies out the windows of hospitals . Rick said I bet that's BS - time will tell ! I admired his knowledge on what was the real truth on things , and how he could sort through the narrative the media outlets would spew .
There are several folks here who are very knowledgeable on these topics - thanks .
Rick would be a wealth of knowledge here .
Rick sounds like someone I would liked to have met. Who knows, maybe I did know him. His library sounds a lot like mine. You mentioned SPLC, as hard as it may sound, I met Morris Dees and Mark Potok.............................in my living room. We don't like each other. It's amazing what you can learn and understand if you don't have TV. Much harder to control someones perception without it. I never watched much TV as my parents didn't like it and that must have rubbed off on me. So I collected books and read, still do. The internet makes researching and reading much faster now. Cheaper too. I was once told that my books on FDR was larger than the Library of Congress's. I don't know if that is true or not, but I've studied the ol' boy. Now back on the subject of Hitler and the Nazis party. Remember when us "CONSPIRACY NUTS" said that Hitler didn't die in the bunker and went to Argentina and Antarctica? So now that those files are declassified what does it say happened to him? I hear the Discovery Channel is doing a piece on it. Some of you lock stepping criers of "conspiracy theory nuts" may want to start asking questions before dragging out the banners. Here's a related question for you..........Who was Prescott Bush? Is there a part he played? Hitler and the Nazis party had a much bigger agenda than what we are being told. Those.........lets call them entities for now...........are perfectly happen to have us argue and debate whether there was a holocaust or not and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. What they planned and accomplished went way beyond evil. Someone mentioned on here that they wanted to conquer the world. You're getting close. The religious folks who are upset over things said about the jews need to get a handle on that emotion. I'm not saying you should believe one way or another about who or what the jews are biblical. Get past that and dig deeper. Its in your book if you did. I could be the difference between "the elect" and not. I will ask these questions again in hopes that some will start looking for the answers. Once you know the answers, the world events and what you know about them will look different and the missing pieces of the puzzle will began to fit. Who was the SS? Who was the OSS?, Who is MI 6? Who is the CIA? ............................I'll add this as a hint................................is there a connection?
I house sat for a man [Rick] after I sold my first spec.- house .
He lived across the street - we hit it off and he told me nearly everything in media and history was a bunch of twisted lies to benefit the media people govt/globalist tycoons . He had a library of material on the topic of russia - the czars - bolsheviks - who they were - holocaust - israel etc. etc. . I was about 30yrs old back then he was about 45yrs old and getting ready to retire from the Airforce after heading to okinawa for one more go-round - 7 months . I lived at his place [house sitting] for him during his stint in okinawa [paid only the utilities]
Anyway Rick was a walking/talking encyclopedia on the topic being discussed here , I read some things he said would enlighen me on the topic of middle east/israel/holocaust/russia/bolsheviks etc. - putting it all together took a while - years in fact .
As someone stated in this thread - trying to discuss this topic with someone who gets info. from media - college etc. - is a waste of time . You'll only hear -- go back to stormfront you redneck . The same people who might or might not have figured out the SPLC/ACLU/EU are not our friends .
Rick explained many things - loaned me books to read etc. and would call me and often tell me what the upcoming narrative would be on things like the gulf war and he was always right .
Before I knew how serious the gulf war was going to be - he told me that there would be villains created very soon in the media in order to get things kicked off in a war . Sure enough there was the crying kuwaiti/american girl telling how Iraqi soldiers were throwing newborn babies out the windows of hospitals . Rick said I bet that's BS - time will tell ! I admired his knowledge on what was the real truth on things , and how he could sort through the narrative the media outlets would spew .
There are several folks here who are very knowledgeable on these topics - thanks .
...Iran translates as Aryan. Both in Farsi and Sanskrit. That what the Persians are. White people.
Thank you K22, I'll read up on this . ''Evidently from the time of the Sassanids (226–651 CE) Iranians have called it Iran, meaning "the land of Aryans" and Iranshahr. ... In the mid 1930s, the ruler of the country, Reza Shah Pahlavi, moved towards formalising the name Iran instead of Persia for all purposes.''
Thanks to both of you. That explains why Ahminadinnerjacket looked more like a Caucasian than an Arab.
I've learned a couple of things today. I think my brain is full.
Good night, gentlemen.
Ed
also look at the people in the stans with blue eyes. Might say a greek in the woodpile, as in alexander the great.
...Iran translates as Aryan. Both in Farsi and Sanskrit. That what the Persians are. White people.
Thank you K22, I'll read up on this . ''Evidently from the time of the Sassanids (226–651 CE) Iranians have called it Iran, meaning "the land of Aryans" and Iranshahr. ... In the mid 1930s, the ruler of the country, Reza Shah Pahlavi, moved towards formalising the name Iran instead of Persia for all purposes.''
Thanks to both of you. That explains why Ahminadinnerjacket looked more like a Caucasian than an Arab.
I've learned a couple of things today. I think my brain is full.
Good night, gentlemen.
Ed
A member posted something on another thread that I hadn't heard in years. It applies here in what you wrote Ed. I might butcher the epithet that was on a plaque in the Caucasus Mountains centuries ago. I believe it can by found in the Vedas writings and the Sanskrit if my memory is not failing me. "Through these mountains came the Hebrews of old" If nothing else, interesting.
A Preacher in Gravette, Ar. Made a pretty compelling case, relying pretty much solely on the Bible, that the people populating modern day Israel have no connection to the biblical Jews. He mentioned the true Israelites as passing thru the Caucasus mountains on their escape after the Temple was destroyed.
Seems their was a description of King David or Soloman in the O T that said he was “ ruddy faced and pleasing to the eye” or something close to that.
He has his own channel on Sattelite T V called Shepard’s Chapel. His name was Arnold Murray and I think he died but his son carries the ministry on. I haven’t watched it in years but he had some interesting ideas, all based on the Bible. He served in the USMC in Korea.
I've heard of Arnold Murray, even read some of his writings. Interesting stuff. I believe the name Adam in Hebrew is someone who shows ruddy in the face or maybe better said, blushes. Seems like there is a lot scriptures that point to what he said. Hence my questions, who were the Hebrews of old?
There is so much history that is not readily available to folks like us who want to learn, that it is sad.
I can only imagine the treasure trove of knowledge that was lost in Alexandria, what was burned in Germany, what parchments and cuneiform lie beneath the sands of the M.E., writings in Central and South America, and in the Far East.
What I was taught in school about world history bears little resemblance to what has actually occurred.
To me, the most important part of history is the "why".
I've heard of Arnold Murray, even read some of his writings. Interesting stuff. I believe the name Adam in Hebrew is someone who shows ruddy in the face or maybe better said, blushes. Seems like there is a lot scriptures that point to what he said. Hence my questions, who were the Hebrews of old?
I really have not given it much thought and even if I had, I couldn’t know for certain. There was one Jewish family in my hometown with only one child, a son the same age as me. The father owned the scrap metal yard and that scene was replicated in several of the small towns around here. “ Going to see the Jew” was synonymous with hauling off junk iron.
They had what’s commonly referred to as “ swarthy “ complexions .
The one characteristic of Jews in the O T and Jews today seems to be a penchant for “ Order “. Organization seemed, and still seems, to take priority over personal freedom.
But I could say the same thing about Germans.
It strikes me as being hyper hypocritical to give credibility to the territorial claim of Jews, based on ancient texts, while denying the claims of the Native American tribes.
It strikes me as being hyper hypocritical to give credibility to the territorial claim of Jews, based on ancient texts, while denying the claims of the Native American tribes.
I reckon that proves that gold trumps wampum.
That is something that I've wondered about for years. To add to your post, look at what happened in South Africa and Rhodesia.......the whole world demanded the Whites turn those countries back over to the Blacks that were there in the first place. I guess if you're Jewish or Black, you count, while if you're an Injun, you're screwed. No wonder they were always going on the warpath.
It strikes me as being hyper hypocritical to give credibility to the territorial claim of Jews, based on ancient texts, while denying the claims of the Native American tribes.
I reckon that proves that gold trumps wampum.
That is something that I've wondered about for years. To add to your post, look at what happened in South Africa and Rhodesia.......the whole world demanded the Whites turn those countries back over to the Blacks that were there in the first place. I guess if you're Jewish or Black, you count, while if you're an Injun, you're screwed. No wonder they were always going on the warpath.
And the Dutch moved to South Africa where it is said were virtually no blacks at that time. They had to leave also.
I grew up on and in farm country. No Jews. For 18yrs. I had many clients that were Jews in and around Atlanta, Chattanooga, Knoxville, and Asheville. Lots of them in the scrap metal business, Jewelry store, just to name some businesses you find them in, but no farmers. Always got along fine with them. But that is the nature of us deplorables. Now days we hear about how nice this or that racial bunch is, but to much on how nice the white racial bunch are. I wonder why? By design? Are the Bolsheviks softening us up?
Ed, When John Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie started the compulsory public school system, they began to dumb down the population. Educational books began to be rewritten and so on and so forth. This subject would be a whole other thread of discussion that could last a lifetime. It's probably important to understand that it is an informational war for your mind and especially young peoples. Change the perception through advertising, media, hollywood, education and you change the perception of people. Operation Mockingbird. Who was Senator Church? What was the Church hearings all about? If there are only 2 sides to a story does that mean there isn't a third or fourth? How does psychological warfare work? Here is a website that is full of information not normally known and is written in a very humorous way. It will take you close to a lifetime to read the whole site, but once you start it becomes hard to stop. Well written stuff. The Library of Halexandria
The overwhelming characteristic of the Western Indian tribes was a lack of organization.
See how that works?
That is so right. Divide and conquer. Get them fighting among themselves, which is quite easy to do just look at the above posts over the holocaust issue, and now they are distracted, searching for facts that prove their version is true, while the push to over take the world continues on, hidden in plain sight. Puts me in mind of the movie Braveheart. So here they are, the English battling the Scots/Irish, locked in arm to arm combat (over perception) while perpetrators and conspires ride off without a care in the world. Remember that scene? William Wallace see's this, grabs a horse and gives chase. Then the Bruce is sent back to stop Wallace and is uncovered, showing Wallace how deep the conspiracy really is. That is how I feel at times. The holocaust is just one example. But to get back on track with the OP's thread, the bunch who financed the Bolshevik Revolution is the same bunch who financed WW II and presided over the Death Camps. Same bunch that Jesus went off on, both physically and verbally in several Biblical places. And now they are directing the Middle East fiasco, N. Korea fiasco, the European fiasco, and the United States has been in their crosshairs for centuries. What was the Wheat and Tares parable about? Who is the Wheat? Who are the tares? Do they have something in common? Does Wheat come from seeds? Do Tares come from seeds? What is in a seed? What are Wolves in Sheep clothing?
Jamesjr,
I hear ya. The American Indians did get screwed. They have been casts as idiot heathens. Just not true. The 4 corners nation peoples are more knowledgeable about who the Great Serpent and who the Great White God is than most preachers are. Their artifacts and legend of events that happened and why, including the Flood, King Joseph, and many other artifacts and legends, most we know as artifacts from Bible times and Bible stories is phenomenal. But that is a whole other subject. Ever wonder why Thomas Jefferson was so enthralled with the Western lands? Why did he send Lewis and Clark, really? What were they to look for? What did they find? Oh, I know the party line dictate our history books say now. That is only an extremely small portion of it.
Something to really ponder...............perception. That is a very very powerful tool. It controls our beliefs. Curdog's very powerful observation of jews being "orderly" above all is very telling. Men and women going through the horrors of war, then being told of horrors of death camps are going to see exactly what they perceive. It would take someone with a very inquisitive mind or very highly educated to stop and ponder, playing the doubting Thomas. Witnesses versus those directly involved in an accident is a very good example. Watching a video of a shooting after being told who did the shooting is another example. The majority of the people will see what they were told. To believe otherwise is fool hardy. Another example of you will see what you are taught is this fine example, since Curdog kind of brought it up with Arnold Murray. Their was a place back in the 80's-90's called Elohim City. Anyone remember it? It was a commune of sorts for folks who believed in the Christian Identity theory. Lots of anti-government goings on there, most false, but not all. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) ruled it a hate group organization and so the Government deemed it so and wanted its leaders arrested. Long story short, there ended up a stand off and some shooting and folks killed. Sad thing. Now here is the rest of the story. Morris Dee's, Mark Potok of the SPLC completely set the wholething up. The commune, they brought in the Identity Preachers (who were clueless to what they were walking into), the teachings, the hate, everything. The FBI had already infiltrated it. The whole thing was a setup scam by SPLC and the ADL to take down so Preachers and Teachers who's teachings the SPLC and ADL didn't like. The whole perception to folks who believed those teachings was that Elohim City was a safe place for them to practice their beliefs. They didn't see it coming.
They're getting their revenge. Nearly every reservation has a casino producing tax free funds, mostly from local whites.
Not griping, just saying.
I don't think the Indians got screwed. They brought bows to a gunfight. They picked the terms of the interactions (war), and they lost. Sure, white Europeans as a group contain a bunch of thieving scoundrels who will use the "color of law" to commit crimes against simpletons, but that is part of the game of natural selection, favoring the most intelligent and calculating among us. And at least we as a group actually created a system of laws that has as its goal the equal footing of all parties. That never happened anywhere else, or with any other group.
And as far as Indians getting their "revenge" through casinos, that is certain Indians playing the game of natural selection, and beating the dumber whites. Quick way to avoid the "revenge" is not to waste a cent gambling where the odds are not in your favor.
From Wikipedia, Notable Holocaust deniers: Pat Buchanan: Buchanan wrote that it was impossible for 850,000 Jews to be killed by diesel exhaust fed into the gas chamber at Treblinka in a column for the New York Post in 1990. Buchanan once argued Treblinka "was not a death camp but a transit camp used as a 'pass-through point' for prisoners". In fact, some 900,000 Jews had died at Treblinka.[When George Will challenged him about it on TV, Buchanan did not reply.
In 1991 William F. Buckley, Jr. wrote a 40,000-word National Review article discussing anti-Semitism among conservative commentators focused largely on Buchanan; the article and many responses to it were collected in the book In Search of Anti-Semitism (1992). He concluded: "I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the charge that what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Semitism.
The Anti-Defamation League has called Buchanan an "unrepentant bigot" who "repeatedly demonizes Jews and minorities and openly affiliates with white supremacists." "There's no doubt," said Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Charles Krauthammer, "he makes subliminal appeals to prejudice."
Buchanan denies that he is antisemitic, and a number of his journalistic colleagues, including Murray Rothbard Justin Raimondo, Jack Germond, Al Hunt and Mark Shields, have defended him against the charge. As a member of the Reagan White House, he is accused of having suppressed the Reagan Justice Department's investigation into Nazi scientists brought to America by the OSS's Operation Paperclip. In the context of the Gulf War, on September 15, 1990, Buchanan appeared on The McLaughlin Group and said that "there are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East – the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." He also said: "The Israelis want this war desperately because they want the United States to destroy the Iraqi war machine. They want us to finish them off. They don't care about our relations with the Arab world." Furthermore, on The McLaughlin Group Buchanan has also made such comments as “‘Capitol Hill is Israeli occupied territory’ and ‘If you want to know ethnicity and power in the United States Senate, 13 members of the Senate are Jewish folks who are from 2 percent of the population. That is where real power is at…
David Duke: In 1974, Duke founded the Louisiana-based Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (KKKK), shortly after graduating from LSU. He became Grand Wizard of the KKKK. A follower of Duke, Thomas Robb, changed the title of Grand Wizard to National Director, and replaced the Klan's white robes with business suits. Duke first received broad public attention during this time, as he endeavored to market himself in the mid-1970s as a new brand of Klansman: well-groomed, engaged, and professional. Duke also reformed the organization, promoting nonviolence and legality, and, for the first time in the Klan's history, women were accepted as equal members and Catholics were encouraged to apply for membership.[90] Duke would repeatedly insist that the Klan was "not anti-black" but rather "pro-white" and "pro-Christian." Duke told The Daily Telegraph that he left the Klan in 1980 because he disliked its associations with violence and could not stop the members of other Klan chapters from doing "stupid or violent things."
In 1980, Duke left the Klan and formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP), a white nationalist organization.
In 1995, Don Black and Chloê Hardin, Duke's ex-wife, began a bulletin board system (BBS) called Stormfront. Today, Stormfront has become a prominent online forum for white nationalism, white separatism, holocaust denial, Neo-Nazism, hate speech and racism. Duke is an active user of Stormfront, where he posts articles from his own website and polls forum members for opinions and questions, in particular during his Internet broadcasts. Duke has worked with Don Black on numerous projects, including Operation Red Dog (the attempted overthrowing of Dominica's government) in 1980.
On November 24, 2005, Duke visited Damascus, Syria, addressing a rally broadcast on Syrian television and giving an interview. During the rally, he referred to Israel as a "war-mongering country" and stated that Zionists "occupy most of the American media and now control much of the American government … It is not just the West Bank of Palestine, it is not just the Golan Heights that are occupied by the Zionists, but Washington, D.C., and New York and London and many other capitals of the world." He concluded by stating: "Your fight for freedom is the same as our fight for freedom." In a second interview, he said Israel "makes the Nazi state look very, very moderate." Syrian parliament member Mohammad Habash later stated that Duke's visit gave Syrians a "new and very positive view of the average American."
Saw that as a 12 year old kid and reinforced as a 13 year old kid...
you see that first hand, and realize it isn't for baking cookies...
to think that was human beings being thrown in there and burned to death....
and then you listen to people who claim it never happened and how evil the people were who died there... grandmothers, grandfathers, women, children, fathers, mothers...
makes one wonder how blind, or stupid or politically motivated they really are.
I don't know if anyone else has ever been to Dachau... but as a young man another thing I felt there, was the eerie presence of the souls who died there.. the ghosts of the thousands upon thousands of people who lost their lives there with a message over and over.. we mattered.. don't forget us...
those feelings or perceptions have never left me.. even 50 plus years later in life..
there are a couple of Jews in this town I literally hate... and one of those lives right across the street... but instead of hating all Jews just based on these two slime balls..
my description of these two clowns, is "they are the type that give Jewish People a Bad Rep."
I've known a lot of Jews in my life... heck my first two years in college, 65% of the college were Jewish... its a religion, nothing more...to condemn them all for whatever reason is really stupid... and to condemn Israel, when they are surrounded by people who want to destroy them.. who outnumber them 50 to one...how can you condemn them for that...
NYC has more Jews than Israel... and look up the Arab population in Israel...there are more than a couple of them...
people condemn Jews as a scapegoat for their own personal failures in life....
makes one wonder how blind, or stupid or politically motivated they really are.
It's a special evil, like liberalism, that once it's given place, infects and subverts the mind and soul forever.
Those with strong proclivities against the Jews consider themselves gifted with superior knowledge that blinds them from the hatred residing within and making it nearly impossible to see that truth.
With a strong will, resolute desire and God, it can be beaten, but few seem to.
I've got a brand new truck to sell, you guys. Don't trust the appearance or the odometer, which are just the trickery of Jew-hating conspiracists. It's a new truck, and expect full price; or are you a Stormfronting racist, too?
makes one wonder how blind, or stupid or politically motivated they really are.
It's a special evil, like liberalism, that once it's given place, infects and subverts the mind and soul forever.
Those with strong proclivities against the Jews consider themselves gifted with superior knowledge that blinds them from the hatred residing within and making it nearly impossible to see that truth.
With a strong will, resolute desire and God, it can be beaten, but few seem to.
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.
I've got a brand new truck to sell, you guys. Don't trust the appearance or the odometer, which are just the trickery of Jew-hating conspiracists. It's a new truck, and expect full price; or are you a Stormfronting racist, too?
The old Stormfront smear is so,...so, "90's".
It's time to start accusing people of visiting The Occidental Observer.
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill
So what does that have to do with Lenin and Stalin being born as Christians to Christian families?
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
What history do you read Indy? Where did the money for the overthrow come from? And at the time, who was the leader of the Bolshevik revolution? Does Lev Davidovich Bronstein ring any bells for ya? Who arrested his ass and took the gold and cash he was carrying to fund the Revolution? Does Canada ring a bell? How about the slimes who financed it? Jacob Schiff jar any memories? How about Rothschild? What was Stalin and Lenin's real names? Baptized as Christians? Maybe you should talk to the Russian Orthodox Church about that. Hey, one of my son in laws is a Russian Orthodox Priest, you could ask him. He's pretty up on this. He can also put you in touch with 20 plus more Russian Orthodox Priests, of course that is if you really want to know. Plan on taking a couple of years to study their Russian history. The Russian Orthodox Church is kind of up on it. I'm sure they would love to hear your version of it.
If the 20 Russian Orthodox priests are as quack doodle as you, there would be no point talking with them.
Your efforts would be better employed telling Wikipedia their biographies of Lenin and Stalin are wrong and demanding they change them.
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
What history do you read Indy? Where did the money for the overthrow come from? And at the time, who was the leader of the Bolshevik revolution? Does Lev Davidovich Bronstein ring any bells for ya? Who arrested his ass and took the gold and cash he was carrying to fund the Revolution? Does Canada ring a bell? How about the slimes who financed it? Jacob Schiff jar any memories? How about Rothschild? What was Stalin and Lenin's real names? Baptized as Christians? Maybe you should talk to the Russian Orthodox Church about that. Hey, one of my son in laws is a Russian Orthodox Priest, you could ask him. He's pretty up on this. He can also put you in touch with 20 plus more Russian Orthodox Priests, of course that is if you really want to know. Plan on taking a couple of years to study their Russian history. The Russian Orthodox Church is kind of up on it. I'm sure they would love to hear your version of it.
If the 20 Russian Orthodox priests are as quack doodle as you, there would be no point talking with them.
Your efforts would be better employed telling Wikipedia their biographies of Lenin and Stalin are wrong and demanding they change them.
Maybe you just need to read a book. It's written by a Jewish guy,..so it's okay.
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
What history do you read Indy? Where did the money for the overthrow come from? And at the time, who was the leader of the Bolshevik revolution? Does Lev Davidovich Bronstein ring any bells for ya? Who arrested his ass and took the gold and cash he was carrying to fund the Revolution? Does Canada ring a bell? How about the slimes who financed it? Jacob Schiff jar any memories? How about Rothschild? What was Stalin and Lenin's real names? Baptized as Christians? Maybe you should talk to the Russian Orthodox Church about that. Hey, one of my son in laws is a Russian Orthodox Priest, you could ask him. He's pretty up on this. He can also put you in touch with 20 plus more Russian Orthodox Priests, of course that is if you really want to know. Plan on taking a couple of years to study their Russian history. The Russian Orthodox Church is kind of up on it. I'm sure they would love to hear your version of it.
If the 20 Russian Orthodox priests are as quack doodle as you, there would be no point talking with them.
Your efforts would be better employed telling Wikipedia their biographies of Lenin and Stalin are wrong and demanding they change them.
Maybe you just need to read a book. It's written by a Jewish guy,..so it's okay.
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
What history do you read Indy? Where did the money for the overthrow come from? And at the time, who was the leader of the Bolshevik revolution? Does Lev Davidovich Bronstein ring any bells for ya? Who arrested his ass and took the gold and cash he was carrying to fund the Revolution? Does Canada ring a bell? How about the slimes who financed it? Jacob Schiff jar any memories? How about Rothschild? What was Stalin and Lenin's real names? Baptized as Christians? Maybe you should talk to the Russian Orthodox Church about that. Hey, one of my son in laws is a Russian Orthodox Priest, you could ask him. He's pretty up on this. He can also put you in touch with 20 plus more Russian Orthodox Priests, of course that is if you really want to know. Plan on taking a couple of years to study their Russian history. The Russian Orthodox Church is kind of up on it. I'm sure they would love to hear your version of it.
If the 20 Russian Orthodox priests are as quack doodle as you, there would be no point talking with them.
Your efforts would be better employed telling Wikipedia their biographies of Lenin and Stalin are wrong and demanding they change them.
Maybe you just need to read a book. It's written by a Jewish guy,..so it's okay.
Jews are often happy to admit to other Jews that there are sociopathic scumbags Jews causing hundreds of millions of deaths with their idiological movements, but to the goyim, they just plead persecution and demand gibs. Just like Africans.....
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
What history do you read Indy? Where did the money for the overthrow come from? And at the time, who was the leader of the Bolshevik revolution? Does Lev Davidovich Bronstein ring any bells for ya? Who arrested his ass and took the gold and cash he was carrying to fund the Revolution? Does Canada ring a bell? How about the slimes who financed it? Jacob Schiff jar any memories? How about Rothschild? What was Stalin and Lenin's real names? Baptized as Christians? Maybe you should talk to the Russian Orthodox Church about that. Hey, one of my son in laws is a Russian Orthodox Priest, you could ask him. He's pretty up on this. He can also put you in touch with 20 plus more Russian Orthodox Priests, of course that is if you really want to know. Plan on taking a couple of years to study their Russian history. The Russian Orthodox Church is kind of up on it. I'm sure they would love to hear your version of it.
If the 20 Russian Orthodox priests are as quack doodle as you, there would be no point talking with them.
Your efforts would be better employed telling Wikipedia their biographies of Lenin and Stalin are wrong and demanding they change them.
Very enlightening.
It always forget what great christian men Lenin and Stalin were. Thank you for enlightening me.
Jews are often happy to admit to other Jews that there are sociopathic scumbags Jews causing hundreds of millions of deaths with their idiological movements, but to the goyim, they just plead persecution and demand gibs. Just like Africans.....
Well,...maybe. But it doesn't sound like the book is a condemnation of the role Jews played in the Bolshevik Revolution. In fact, it seems to excuse it.
But in any event, it documents it to a large degree.
The occidental observer, Bristoe you are funniest when that is not your intention.
Shalom
mike [murray] r.
Yeah,.,..The Occidental Observer. It's a bit myopic in its focus, and most of the articles are a bit too dry and intellectual for my tastes. But I'll occasionally read over a piece that appears on it.
I'm not obsessed with its primary topics. But it's an interesting place to read essays on pieces of history that's largely been sent down the memory hole.
My guess is, it won't be a part of the internet for much longer. The ADL/SPLC will successfully lobby to get it removed.
Hawkeye, are you and ro1459 Americans? Please say your not because I had a great uncle that helped clear those camps. He said the death and stench was ceaseless. Every where one turned were piles upon piles of bodies and decaying flesh. Those still living were mere skeletons w/a skin covering their bones... 60lb grownups was the norm. He said there were really more camps than ever reported. Where ever they could gather a work force old just plain old Jews they'd throw up some barbed wire and work them to death or until their usefulness was up and then assassinated. To make light of or deny these facts makes a mockery of the death of our American soldiers. ro1459 your just a creep, Hawkeye I never figured something like this coming from you. powdr
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill
So what does that have to do with Lenin and Stalin being born as Christians to Christian families?
It's a fairly common ploy, i.e., for Jewish run movements to seek goy front men. Are there any serious historians who deny that Bulshevism was a Jewish movement? Jews were less than two percent of the Russian population, yet made up some 75% of the high officials within the Lenin regime. And Lenin himself considered himself Jewish from his grandfather having been Jewish. Not that this information is necessary to make the point, but there it is.
The occidental observer, Bristoe you are funniest when that is not your intention.
Shalom
mike [murray] r.
Yeah,.,..The Occidental Observer. It's a bit myopic in its focus, and most of the articles are a bit too dry and intellectual for my tastes. But I'll occasionally read over a piece that appears on it.
I'm not obsessed with its primary topics. But it's an interesting place to read essays on pieces of history that's largely been sent down the memory hole.
My guess is, it won't be a part of the internet for much longer. The ADL/SPLC will successfully lobby to get it removed.
Myopic, definition: 1. near sighted or shortsighted.
2. lacking imagination, foresight or intellectual insight.
Either of these are useful in the context of this thread and its' deniers.
An interesting sidenote; Poland is considering a law making the WW 2 holocaust denial a crime. Perhaps they don't want their history polluted by the mindless.
Similar thinking to those of us that believe that tearing down R.E. Lee' statues is ignorant.
makes one wonder how blind, or stupid or politically motivated they really are.
It's a special evil, like liberalism, that once it's given place, infects and subverts the mind and soul forever.
Those with strong proclivities against the Jews consider themselves gifted with superior knowledge that blinds them from the hatred residing within and making it nearly impossible to see that truth.
With a strong will, resolute desire and God, it can be beaten, but few seem to.
If we substituted Liberal for Jew in your statement, wouldn’t we have a pretty good description of you, Amigo?
The occidental observer, Bristoe you are funniest when that is not your intention.
Shalom
mike [murray] r.
Yeah,.,..The Occidental Observer. It's a bit myopic in its focus, and most of the articles are a bit too dry and intellectual for my tastes. But I'll occasionally read over a piece that appears on it.
I'm not obsessed with its primary topics. But it's an interesting place to read essays on pieces of history that's largely been sent down the memory hole.
My guess is, it won't be a part of the internet for much longer. The ADL/SPLC will successfully lobby to get it removed.
Myopic, definition: 1. near sighted or shortsighted.
2. lacking imagination, foresight or intellectual insight.
Either of these are useful in the context of this thread and its' deniers.
An interesting sidenote; Poland is considering a law making the WW 2 holocaust denial a crime. Perhaps they don't want their history polluted by the mindless.
Similar thinking to those of us that believe that tearing down R.E. Lee' statues is ignorant.
mike r
Have you ever ask yourself why it is so necessary to enact a law saying something is true? Does that make any sense to you? What is next? There is something wrong with that. If the holocaust was true as some say, why do you need to make it illegal for someone to disagree? That is communism is action. And why only the Holocaust? Or is this just part of psyops program to keep us from seeing what really was/is going on. I'm struggling with the logic of doing this and then with so called freedom loving Americans to be ok with this. Maybe we have been brainwashed now to the point we will except security over freedom.
Can you explain why if "the whole Bolshevik Revolution was about getting their revenge (via mass murder of tens of millions of Christian Russians) on Russia..." that Lenin and Stalin were both baptized Christians from Christian families? Duh huh. Duh huh.
Last I heard tell, Lenin and Stalin have had something to do with the Bolshevik Revolution.
Seriously, and I really want to know, where do you get such cockamamie ideas from?
"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill
So what does that have to do with Lenin and Stalin being born as Christians to Christian families?
It's a fairly common ploy, i.e., for Jewish run movements to seek goy front men. Are there any serious historians who deny that Bulshevism was a Jewish movement? Jews were less than two percent of the Russian population, yet made up some 75% of the high officials within the Lenin regime. And Lenin himself considered himself Jewish from his grandfather having been Jewish. Not that this information is necessary to make the point, but there it is.
I suppose you think that the holocaust was a christian movement because 75% of the Germans who carried it out were christians.
Indy, either you simply haven't scratched the surface of any of these subjects, or you're being entirely disingenuous in your claimed beliefs. In either case, there's not much point in my discussing this with you further.
So what does that have to do with Lenin and Stalin being born as Christians to Christian families?
Are you saying babies are born as Christians?...infants can later begin to be raised in Christian ways & rituals but since ones relationship with God is actually One on One , just being born and then going through the process of being raised in Christian labelled family does not necessarily make anyone in that family genuinely Christian.
Everyone is judged on their own individual standing with Jesus... and as scripture points out, most people who identify as Christian are still NOT going to make it through the gate.
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"Being born the son of Billy Graham didn’t make me a Christian. Neither did being raised in a strong church, nor the prayers of my grandparents, nor memorizing Scripture, nor the good deeds I tried to do." -- Franklin Graham.
Well said Powdr. I think this may be the absolute worst thread ive seen on the campfire. Turns my stomach.
Just exactly what is it that you find so troubling about this thread?
Its troubling that folks dont believe the atrocities of the holocaust.
I don’t recall anyone denying that there were atrocities committed against a lot of Jews in Germany. Some have questioned the scale and others have pointed to equally horrifying examples of mass murders and wondered at the disparity in the “ outrage levels “ between those and the Jewish Holocaust.
Well said Powdr. I think this may be the absolute worst thread ive seen on the campfire. Turns my stomach.
Just exactly what is it that you find so troubling about this thread?
Its troubling that folks dont believe the atrocities of the holocaust.
I don’t recall anyone denying that there were atrocities committed against a lot of Jews in Germany. Some have questioned the scale and others have pointed to equally horrifying examples of mass murders and wondered at the disparity in the “ outrage levels “ between those and the Jewish Holocaust.
Seems like fair topics for conversation to me.
I ask that you take a look at the original post and a few replies afterwards. I agree there have been plenty of mass murders and genocide many of which are still ongoing.
. Some have questioned the scale and others have pointed to equally horrifying examples of mass murders and wondered at the disparity in the “ outrage levels “ between those and the Jewish Holocaust.
Israel flatly refuses to recognise the Arrmenian genocide...but I suspect they won't receive the same abuse and condemnation that TRH has been subject to on this thread.
Unfortunately there are and have been many genocides. The amount of awareness or lack of is unfortunate. It should all be documented and the current atrocities combated. I humbly speak as a Marine with over 25 years and have seen many of these circumstances myself. Bottom line, lets not judge as we are so fortunate to discuss the attributes between the 30-06 and the 270 on deer while others merely would gladly eat from our trash cans or wish to forget seeing their family slaughtered for being a Christain.
So what does that have to do with Lenin and Stalin being born as Christians to Christian families?
Are you saying babies are born as Christians?...infants can later begin to be raised in Christian ways & rituals but since ones relationship with God is actually One on One , just being born and then going through the process of being raised in Christian labelled family does not necessarily make anyone in that family genuinely Christian.
Everyone is judged on their own individual standing with Jesus... and as scripture points out, most people who identify as Christian are still NOT going to make it through the gate.
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"Being born the son of Billy Graham didn’t make me a Christian. Neither did being raised in a strong church, nor the prayers of my grandparents, nor memorizing Scripture, nor the good deeds I tried to do." -- Franklin Graham.
Well said Starman, It is gratifying to know that there are still Americans who aren't afraid to stick their head outside of the box. Individualism has been replaced with group think and truth is replaced with sensitivity. Its no wonder the anti white movement has gotten such a foothold in this country......................by whites. The Bolshevik Revolution II is about to begin in this country and a lot of our fellow countrymen can't or won't see it. Many don't believe it. They are lock stepping together right down the road to a hell they have never seen nor prepared for. The atrocities that have been perpetrated on our fellow humans by a cabal, an entity, is beyond belief, so much so that we don't believe it or at most say, oh how unfortunate. How many times have I heard, ...yes, there were some other races who unfortunately were mistreat......to death................but isn't it just horrible what they did those jews. I look at those folks in total unbelief thinking, so now we prioritize atrocities!!! All races get a, "how unfortunate but", except one! Why?!!! And that is not seen as "lock stepping" or propaganda? You might want to re-"think" that. I call that mind control.....operation mockingbird......psychological warfare.........what ever term you care to use.
Well said Powdr. I think this may be the absolute worst thread ive seen on the campfire. Turns my stomach.
This has been a very eye opening thread for me. Why?......because it shows how narrow minded people really are. We all have our opinions, opinions on whatever the subject may be. But, there are certain posters who don't think anyone's opinion matters but theirs....and it doesn't matter what the subject is. There are also a number of posters who don't want to be thought of as being "racist", or "politically incorrect" by disagreeing on a touchy subject. It's also shown how differently many of us interpret what is in the Bible.
The Holocaust happened, but so have many other cases of genocide. Many of those other genocides were far worse than the Jewish one, yet the Jews have gone out of their way to make sure that "their" Holocaust is the only one that matters. I think that is what a number of posters, including myself, have objected to, and brought out. By doing so, we have seen how weak kneed some of the other posters are, by being scared chitless to have allow anyone else to have an opposing point of view.
Well said Powdr. I think this may be the absolute worst thread ive seen on the campfire. Turns my stomach.
Yep it seems that the stupidity compounds here yearly. I use to look forward to meeting a member from time to time. Now not so much.
By the way TRH you were beat silly by many of the members here but are too stupid to realize it.
Keep trying to convince yourself. If you actually had or used facts in an actual rational argument, you'd have a point, but name calling and what amounts to "nuh uh" are not refutations.
It's really sad that so many on here don't have clue what they don't have a clue about, but they're damned proud of it, and they will ridicule anyone who has researched and formed a different point of view.
So I looked up the population of Jews in the World,
the largest two groups of Jews are centered in the US and Israel...
sources quote less than 15 million in the world...
6.5 million or so in Israel...
roughly 6 million or so in the US...
considering how many Jews there are now worldwide, or say in Israel and the USA.. and it is over 70 years since the end of WW 2 in 1945...
seems to me the loss of 6 million Jews at the time would be a Holocaust... and Jews have a right to promote the atrocity of it all...
I have trouble seeing it being promoted by them as above all the other atrocities committed world wide, past present and surely future...considering the state of the world currently.
6 million would be equivalent of wiping out the Jewish population of the US or Israel.. in today's number....
what would the population of Jews in the world be, if the holocaust never occurred?
Instead of arguing with you guys, I am just pointing out, I have real trouble seeing your point here...or what it is...
have read large parts of the thread but not each and every post... I am not a real heavily religious type, so I'm not going to be quoting scripture as some have done..
I have always had an issue with understanding the hatred toward Jews, that I'll admit..
John, there are many shadings between LOVE and HATE, but it seems that you only allow another person those TWO options.
And that is exhibited thruout this thread by other members. I can overlook ALL the shortcomings of the Jewish Lobbyists or be branded a Nazi. I can’t just be a guy who is annoyed by a mush mouthed Rabbi playing the victim card to extort money from old, poor, Christians in what can only be called a scam.
People like Indywhatever probably moved lots of folks from “ apathetic “ to “ dislike “ as it concerns Jews. That’s a normal human reaction when one side of an issue allows for no debate.
I'm just trying to understand here an opposing view point..
but then again, I don't pay attention to Lobbyists, be they about Judaism or any other subject..
or to be branded a Nazi, that is kinda like being branded a Racist...two words snowflake liberals like to throw out as they know many folks will get offended, and change the subject defending themselves against the accusation...people use terms toward me or anyone else, such as Nazi or Racist, I figure they have no point and that is the only card they have left to play...
I guess seeing Dachau when it opened in 1964, made a life long impression on a 12 yr old kid. I just never understood the hatred toward Jewish people...
maybe it was that Swedish Jew Great Great Whatever Great Grandpa in the wood pile, even if he converted to being a Protestant once he arrived in Virginia in the late 1800s...
went out with several Jewish Girls in college, and their mothers didn't like the fact I wasn't Jewish.. but when I mentioned Great Great Great Grandpa Fink was a Swedish Jew, there attitude reversed itself and that was good enough for them...maybe that is why I'm not hostile to Jews...and don't understand the hostility toward them...
who knows.. just trying to understand the opposite point of view put forth on the thread.
That's a huge problem across this country, not just here. Folks are set on their opinions and for someone to challenge their opinions is scary. It means that they might not be right, after all.
Being wrong is how we learn life's most critical lessons. Kinda like holding two Aces and a King and knowing that you're holding the best hand.
I've discovered a lot as a result of this thread, some that I still believe is incorrect, and some that are revelations and have caused me to re-think some things.
The most puzzling thing to me about American Jews is their allegiance to the Democrat Party when the Republicans are the ones who have helped Israel more, and whose platform favors the segments of the economy associated with Jewish businessmen.
But when considering the “ big government vs small government “ which is SUPPOSED to divide the two parties, and seeing the articles about Jewish involvement in the Russian Revolution, the Jewish preference for Democrats becomes more understandable.
Two percent of the population could never have much influence over fifty individual states ( or is it fifty seven? ) but influencing a large Federal Government is simple...... all it takes is money.
The occidental observer, Bristoe you are funniest when that is not your intention.
Shalom
mike [murray] r.
Yeah,.,..The Occidental Observer. It's a bit myopic in its focus, and most of the articles are a bit too dry and intellectual for my tastes. But I'll occasionally read over a piece that appears on it.
I'm not obsessed with its primary topics. But it's an interesting place to read essays on pieces of history that's largely been sent down the memory hole.
My guess is, it won't be a part of the internet for much longer. The ADL/SPLC will successfully lobby to get it removed.
Myopic, definition: 1. near sighted or shortsighted.
2. lacking imagination, foresight or intellectual insight.
Either of these are useful in the context of this thread and its' deniers.
An interesting sidenote; Poland is considering a law making the WW 2 holocaust denial a crime. Perhaps they don't want their history polluted by the mindless.
Similar thinking to those of us that believe that tearing down R.E. Lee' statues is ignorant.
mike r
I was using the word to describe someone who was focused on a single issue,...as in,..
When he ran again in 2013, this time without a primary opponent, his campaign had an almost myopic focus on a subject dear to Republicans: job creation.
You're forgetting that, historically, the Republican Party IS the party of the Left. It's just that the Democrats being taken over by the Communists in the 50's and 60's made the Republicans LOOK like conservatives. They are not, have never been, and never will be. The roots run too deep.
Lincoln left the Whigs because they weren't Socialist enough and he, with Horace Greeley, founded the Republican Party, which got him elected President. Fast forward a bit and you will find that our favorite Republican, besides Reagan, was Teddy Roosevelt.
Little know fact about Teddy, HE was ready to abandon the Republican Party because he didn't think they were leftist enough!
So, the crying about "RINOs" is a gross misunderstanding of what and who Republican values really are. A politician who carries the traits we call "RINO" is actually just being a true Republican.
Once more, propaganda and deception have succeeded.
I know this a very patriotic lady who I'll call Betty. Betty, while in her late 50's was a Reagan fan, knew of the Contra problem and wanted to help. When some patriots decided to go help route the communists out of Nicaragua, Betty wanted to go. Being a women and aged some friends said no, but there was no stopping Betty, she went. Once there, the Commander of the resistance forces would let her join. My men brought there own rifles and a bloody machete, you have neither. The Commander didn't know Betty. She borrowed his machete one night, came back with a rifle and a bloody machete. True story. Now for the reason I brought this up.
Betty was all about going and listening to politicians speak, especially when they were running for an office. After they spoke and everyone was milling around talking to the candidates, so would Betty. When they would ask her if she would vote for them she would ask why should I?. Of course they would then start into some dissertation why and she would stop them, get inches from their face and say............." I see your lips moving, where's the fruit? I am a fruit inspector! She got that from Matthew 7:15-20. This is a good lesson to learn in looking at past history. If you finance the overthrow of a country, massacring 100's of millions, then finance the killing of your own race and other races and then smilingly lobby for countries to pay for the death of those you helped murder....................what kind of fruit is this tree producing?
I stated this in an earlier post, but believe it is appropriate to do so again.
I personally do not know any Jews, or at least not that I know of. So, in passing judgment on then, I'm just going by what I have learned from a lifetime of being a student of history. I am not an anti-Semite, that much I know, as I don't hate them. I suspect that if I knew any, they would pretty much be like any other group of people......some good, some bad, and a bunch in between.
It is a fact, an undeniable one, that the Nazis put millions of Jews to death in WW2. The how's and why's actually matter very little, because they did it. If I was a Jew, I'd have a right to be pissed about it. But, the Jews aren't the only group who lost people at the hands on an enemy in that time period, and that's why beef with the Jews. They have tried to make it appear that their Holocaust was the worst in history, and the only one that mattered.
Millions of other innocents were put to death in WW2 by out biggest ally, the Soviet Union. We knew what they were doing, and we kept quiet. We did so because we were at war, and we needed them, every bit as badly as they needed us. Now, I don't know how much influence the Jews had on suppressing this information, but I think it's safe to say that it would have benefited them to do so. Make the world think that you're the only group that was ever persecuted and suffered, and you do benefit greatly. No doubt, that's what they have tried to do.
As to the religious argument over who was responsible for Jesus's death, and that may very well lie in how one interprets the Bible.....although, I think that history has been pretty firm in it's belief throughout the ages, that the Jews were responsible. At any rate, the Jewish leaders could have stopped it from happening. Of course, Jesus was sent here by God to die for our sins, so it's probably a mute point to argue who was responsible and why. In other words, it was preordained as to what was going to happen. But, nevertheless, the Jews had the option to stop Him from being crucified at that time, and they choose not to.
I don't think any of my thoughts, or beliefs, are in any way racist, Nazi like, or anti-Semitic. They're just how I see it. If you see it differently, fine, but don't call me names when I don't agree with you.
No.... I didn’t forget which is why I capitalized SUPPOSED.
I was being myopic toward the Jew question.😀
Got it.
I've been fighting nearsightedness since I was a little kid. Got rid of the rose colored glasses a long time ago, but still need to upgrade my prescription now and again.
My viewpoint is simple. I don't dislike jews, I love America. You look at this BS with Trump and White Hate and jews are behind A LOT more than 2% of it. If you read something negative about white people or Trump google the authors name and jewish, Israel or religion and see what you get. Trump running for President is where my viewpoint changed.
You're forgetting that, historically, the Republican Party IS the party of the Left. It's just that the Democrats being taken over by the Communists in the 50's and 60's made the Republicans LOOK like conservatives. They are not, have never been, and never will be. The roots run too deep.
Lincoln left the Whigs because they weren't Socialist enough and he, with Horace Greeley, founded the Republican Party, which got him elected President. Fast forward a bit and you will find that our favorite Republican, besides Reagan, was Teddy Roosevelt.
Little know fact about Teddy, HE was ready to abandon the Republican Party because he didn't think they were leftist enough!
So, the crying about "RINOs" is a gross misunderstanding of what and who Republican values really are. A politician who carries the traits we call "RINO" is actually just being a true Republican.
Once more, propaganda and deception have succeeded.
Ed
FDR and his New Deal came roaring is from the Left...
Two percent of the population could never have much influence over fifty individual states ( or is it fifty seven? ) but influencing a large Federal Government is simple...... all it takes is money.
So, yeah, this thread has taught me something.
Bingo. That's why Jews have always favored powerful, centralized, government, and even powerful centralized international government. Their people have the money that can buy influence over same. When government is as it was designed to be here in the US, Jewish power to influence policy, and control the goy, is strictly limited. They'd need to buy every town and county government across the nation, and even then control would be awkward and ungainly.
Don’t look beyond that, especially farther back. Illusions can bring comfort to us in old age.
But don’t fight to protect the illusions at the expense of truth.
Illusions such as the Klan operating as the Sargent at Arms of the demoncrap party of the late 1800's to the 1950's. They hated blacks, Jews, Catholics, gays, immigrants and probably a few more. Killed a lot of them too. Very conservative group.
Two percent of the population could never have much influence over fifty individual states ( or is it fifty seven? ) but influencing a large Federal Government is simple...... all it takes is money.
,.....and money is no problem when you own the machine that creates it out of thin air.
Two percent of the population could never have much influence over fifty individual states ( or is it fifty seven? ) but influencing a large Federal Government is simple...... all it takes is money.
,.....and money is no problem when you own the machine that creates it out of thin air.
see: "Federal Reserve".
Flat Top Mountain lies three miles SW of where I’m sitting. It’s South face is made up of large boulders and caves. I’ve gone up there and looked down in some of the holes in early spring when the sun is at the right angle. Dozens of Diamondback Rattlers covering the bottom of some holes.
You can’t really pick out the individual rattlesnakes....... just a swarm of heads, bodies, and tails.
No matter who’s name is on the deed, the rattlesnakes OWN that mountain.
I'm just trying to understand here an opposing view point..
but then again, I don't pay attention to Lobbyists, be they about Judaism or any other subject..
or to be branded a Nazi, that is kinda like being branded a Racist...two words snowflake liberals like to throw out as they know many folks will get offended, and change the subject defending themselves against the accusation...people use terms toward me or anyone else, such as Nazi or Racist, I figure they have no point and that is the only card they have left to play...
I guess seeing Dachau when it opened in 1964, made a life long impression on a 12 yr old kid. I just never understood the hatred toward Jewish people...
maybe it was that Swedish Jew Great Great Whatever Great Grandpa in the wood pile, even if he converted to being a Protestant once he arrived in Virginia in the late 1800s...
went out with several Jewish Girls in college, and their mothers didn't like the fact I wasn't Jewish.. but when I mentioned Great Great Great Grandpa Fink was a Swedish Jew, there attitude reversed itself and that was good enough for them...maybe that is why I'm not hostile to Jews...and don't understand the hostility toward them...
who knows.. just trying to understand the opposite point of view put forth on the thread.
cheers...
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall anybody ''ever'' on this site saying they ''hate'' jewish people .
The dislike and possibly hate is directed at the hordes of commies lobbying politicians/in politics/banking/federal reserve/lawyers/judges/stock market etc. who are jewish and blatantly ANTI-America ANTI-Constitution ANTI-consevative white [especially white male] .
War it up with whomever they don't like - those conservatives make good cannon fodder ...................
quote '' '' I just never understood the hatred toward Jewish people...
maybe it was that Swedish Jew Great Great Whatever Great Grandpa in the wood pile, even if he converted to being a Protestant once he arrived in Virginia in the late 1800s...
went out with several Jewish Girls in college, and their mothers didn't like the fact I wasn't Jewish.. but when I mentioned Great Great Great Grandpa Fink was a Swedish Jew, there attitude reversed itself and that was good enough for them...maybe that is why I'm not hostile to Jews...and don't understand the hostility toward them...'' ''
Who is behind ''America is a Melting Pot'' ? Go ahead white folks mix with blacks/hispanics etc. - if you disagree -YOU'RE RACIST .
Nobody hates the jewish girls you made beautiful love to in college nor do they hate your grandpaw .
I think Andrew Jackson referred to them in the same manner.
“You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”
― Andrew Jackson
JFK tried also. And we know how well that went.
What is the main requirement for sitting on the private bank called the Federal Reserve?
I sitting here going through my phone book - the Federal Government Office's phone numbers -- I can't seem to find the Federal Reserve listed there ? Any help please ? !!
I think Andrew Jackson referred to them in the same manner.
“You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”
― Andrew Jackson
JFK tried also. And we know how well that went.
What is the main requirement for sitting on the private bank called the Federal Reserve?
I sitting here going through my phone book - the Federal Government Office's phone numbers -- I can't seem to find the Federal Reserve listed there ? Any help please ? !!
I think Andrew Jackson referred to them in the same manner.
“You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”
― Andrew Jackson
JFK tried also. And we know how well that went.
What is the main requirement for sitting on the private bank called the Federal Reserve?
I sitting here going through my phone book - the Federal Government Office's phone numbers -- I can't seem to find the Federal Reserve listed there ? Any help please ? !!
I looked up alot of links in reguard to this thread,i found,CODOH.com - committe for open debate of the holocaust -also on youtube,alot to take in reguarding this subject.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall anybody ''ever'' on this site saying they ''hate'' jewish people .
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye #9053573 - 07/27/14 The Israelis don't want peace. They want genocidal ethnic cleansing. When their victims respond as any genocidal ethnic cleansing victims would, said response is used as justification for further genocidal ethnic cleansing activity. The whole pattern from day one for Israel has been one of systematic, genocidal, ethnic cleansing. They want them gone, so they prod them till some small reaction is elicited, then they bomb the crap out of them again, all in an effort to drive them out of their land.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall anybody ''ever'' on this site saying they ''hate'' jewish people .
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye #9053573 - 07/27/14 The Israelis don't want peace. They want genocidal ethnic cleansing. When their victims respond as any genocidal ethnic cleansing victims would, said response is used as justification for further genocidal ethnic cleansing activity. The whole pattern from day one for Israel has been one of systematic, genocidal, ethnic cleansing. They want them gone, so they prod them till some small reaction is elicited, then they bomb the crap out of them again, all in an effort to drive them out of their land.
I don't see that as proving he hates jewish people. What if we inserted the word muslim and pulled out Israelis, would that make it better?
I can tell you this much: there were enough f'd up people with tattoos running around my part of the world as I was growing up, people who were permanently maimed by the experience of losing their whole families in the camps, that I cannot doubt something seriously bad happened to them. This is not something you'd fake.
Secondly, as I've said before, I've met enough folks over the years that thought it was safe to talk to me that I'm certain there was mass extermination going on. Not only were these guys unrepentant, but they were proud of it. Again, this is something that nobody would want to fake. Heck, by that time, they were rounding up the perps here and deporting them. Nobody would want to admit to this sort of thing just for the fun of it.
If the number is 6 mil, fine. I'm sure they'd have done 7 mil if the war had kept going.
A large percent of the cases of "missing family members" resulted from the clusterfuck that occurred during the collapse of German occupied territory and the advance of Soviet troops. First off, families got separated by their genders, professions, ages, etc., upon arrival in the camps. If one camp needed more gardeners or machinists, those folks would go there, and the rest were sent elsewhere. Then, when it all fell apart, some were taken by the Soviets and given citizenship in one of its satellite states, or the Soviet Union proper. Those people were told that their relatives were all dead, and the Iron Curtain prevented their finding out otherwise. Likewise, many of those who ended up in the free West were told that their relatives that had been relocated in the Soviet system were dead. It was commonplace for families that were sure their lost relatives were dead to discover, many years later, that they were alive and well somewhere else in the world.
Of course many did legitimately die in the camps, but not from gas chambers. About two percent of the Japanese Americans in our internment camps died while in captivity, and they never suffered loss or shortage of vitally needed supplies as the German camps did.
Says the man who claims that the Japanese Imperial Army water torture was no worse than our CIA waterboarding....
Facts never mattered; only the politically expedient narrative matters. Jews, with their 115 average IQ, understand this, and use it to their advantage in perpetuity. You dumb-ass white folks never did understand this, so you get used like a $3 whore, and discarded, in perpetuity.
The Germans have been paying them since the end of the war.
PS Amazing how many survivors there are, if it was an extermination program by one of the most efficient people on earth who had several years to accomplish it. I think there were about as many survivors as they claim died in the "gas chambers."
Might have something to do with the fact that not a single gas chamber has ever been found that wasn't an obvious hoax (today admitted by the Russians) built by the Soviets after the war.
How do you explain all of the insecticide?
What do you mean? Zyklon-B? It was a commonly used product for fumigating clothing. We did the same thing at Ellis Island. First step upon entering Ellis Island was to have your clothes fumigated for head lice. Same with the concentration camps.
Zyklon B was used in Germany before and during the Second World War for disinfection and pest extermination in ships, buildings and machinery. In the Auschwitz concentration camp as well, it was used exclusively for sanitation and pest control until the summer of 1941. After the end of August 1941, Zyklon was used in the camp, first experimentally and then routinely, as an agent of mass annihilation. Zyklon B consisted of diatomite, in the form of granules the size of fine peas, saturated with prussic acid. In view of its volatility and the associated risk of accidental poisoning, it was supplied to the camp in sealed metal canisters. The Zyklon used at Auschwitz concentration camp was produced by a firm called Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung mbH), with headquarters in Frankfurt am Main and forming a part of IG Farbenidustrie AG.
The following is a scientific breakdown of Zyklon-B: Hydrogen cyanide HCN, prussic acid, is a chemical compound in the form of a powerfully poisonous, volatile colorless liquid with the odor of bitter almonds. Prussic acid is considered a battlefield poison agent. Its action depends on the restraint of cellular respiration as a result of neutralizing the respiratory enzymes. Prussic acid passes through the mucous membranes and the skin, but principally through the lungs, into the blood. It blocks the process by which oxygen is released from red blood corpuscles and the result is a sort of internal asphyxiation. This is accompanied by symptoms of injury to the respiratory system, combined with a feeling of fear, dizziness and vomiting.
Sources: The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe (Institute for Contemporary History) in Munich, Germany, 1992.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall anybody ''ever'' on this site saying they ''hate'' jewish people .
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye #9053573 - 07/27/14 The Israelis don't want peace. They want genocidal ethnic cleansing. When their victims respond as any genocidal ethnic cleansing victims would, said response is used as justification for further genocidal ethnic cleansing activity. The whole pattern from day one for Israel has been one of systematic, genocidal, ethnic cleansing. They want them gone, so they prod them till some small reaction is elicited, then they bomb the crap out of them again, all in an effort to drive them out of their land.
I don't see that as proving he hates jewish people. What if we inserted the word muslim and pulled out Israelis, would that make it better?
Then you are as blind as he is. Blood libel.
Changing the word Muslim to Israelis does not make it better if it is not true.
I don't think anyone ever clearly defined which "Holocaust" we were discussing? Are the people who are discussing the one supposedly perpetrated by the Germans denying the other dozen that supposedly occurred between 1910 and 1938? It may be important to clarify, with the amount of name-calling going on here.
The operational definition of an antisemite is someone who insists on speaking the truth on matters Jews would prefer you did not.
French historian Valérie Igounet wrote, "Holocaust denial is a convenient polemical substitute for anti-semitism."
In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia published a working definition of antisemitism that included "denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust)"
The operational definition of an antisemite is someone who insists on speaking the truth on matters Jews would prefer you did not.
French historian Valérie Igounet wrote, "Holocaust denial is a convenient polemical substitute for anti-semitism."
In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia published a working definition of antisemitism that included "denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust)"
Since this has come back up and shooting Jews is again in the news...
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