Apparently folks consider someone a 'wuss' for taking 2 pounds of their rifle or say silly [bleep] like loose 5 pounds from your waist. Tell you what, add 5 pounds to your boots and let me know how that plays out.
Exactly.....Go hunt sheep for 10 days with a 10 or 11 pound rifle. After a couple days up and down the mountain you'll feel like your packing a ball and chain.
Apparently folks consider someone a 'wuss' for taking 2 pounds of their rifle or say silly [bleep] like loose 5 pounds from your waist. Tell you what, add 5 pounds to your boots and let me know how that plays out.
I ran around the hills for 40 years with corked boots,not to mention the saw/axe and wedges attached to my belt....Don't talk to me about 2 fricken pounds and being in shape.
Your either are or your not,in shape...Rifle weight should not even be in the scenario.
Yep, it's not one hike that takes its toll, but day after day.
And I don't just eliminate as much weight as possible on the rifle and myself, but on everything else as well. Hunted grizzly for almost two weeks in Alaska a couple of years ago and by the even though most of the day is spent glassing, hiking tundra and "hills" and crossing rivers with swamp on each side every day made me very glad for the 7-1/2 pound rifle I carried.
Yep, it's not one hike that takes its toll, but day after day.
Then your not in shape,where you need to be.It isn't all about cardio and if you think it is,your wrong.It's all about being in enough shape that 16 ounces of rifle weight is not a hunt breaker!!!!!!!!
Your either are or your not,in shape...Rifle weight should not even be in the scenario.
Id like to think im in shape. Doc says im fine. I weigh a buck sixty yet im alot stronger than most guys around me twice my size. My hunting style is tree stands. Most of my stands are back in 1.5-2.5 miles. Most ridges only run 2200ft. I still have to take breaks goin in.
Ive never been out west, but get me out of my element and you'd be an idiot to think I should be able to keep up with the locals out west.
Doesnt matter how strong, how much stamina one has. Everyone can benefit from lighter weight equipment.
Exactly.....Go hunt sheep for 10 days with a 10 or 11 pound rifle. After a couple days up and down the mountain you'll feel like your packing a ball and chain.
This, is it exactly.
Logcutter, sir, your argument is not logical. If you are in good shape and have two lbs less in rifle weight, it's known as win-win.
Logcutter, sir, your argument is not logical. If you are in good shape and have two lbs less in rifle weight, it's known as win-win.
+1. Look at any endurance sport and you will see a constant trend toward lighter equipment. Is it because those athletes are "out of shape?" Of course not. It's because physical fitness is only one part of the equation and if technology can provide an edge by reducing equipment weight, then true competitors will take that edge.
I guess I don't understand the concept of carrying heavier gear around in the mountains than you have to.
In shape or not, that's just stupid.
bingo. if you can get the lighter gear why not. if you cant than thats fine too. when i hike 10 miles in the mountains i like to be as light as possible, why wouldnt you if you can?
What is this macho attitude about carrying a gun? My gun is heavier than yours, therefore I am tougher than you are. The measure of a hunter is not how much gun weight you can carry, it is what you can do with the gun.
A friend made a statement about my 11 lb. double rifle, he said I wouldnt carry that damn thing for it, I stated You have added at least 50 lbs. to Your gut and about 75 to your ass since school and you seem to carry that just fine He didnt laugh
I will bet atleast 75% of the whiners about rifle weight,have never been in the military where they make men out of boys.Benning sure changed my way of life at 17.
I mean were not talking tons of weight,just 16 ounces and it breaks a hunt to some!!!!Sad....
Yet your in shape?
Do you think weight or boot choice matters to these guys that are in shape?
my bow weighs less then all your rifles. but ya gotta get real close, and for that you need to be in a even better shape out here. no sittin across a canyon popin off shots, you gotta cross that canyon. figured i stir the pot a little more
I think the only people who don't think lighter is a little better have never hunted the mountains at higher elevations. ...or they hunt next to the road or from a truck. I just ran a half marathon, still run 5-7 miles most work days and I want the lightest rifle I can shoot well. It's just not comfortable to haul a heavy rifle around. Your fitness WILL limit your hunting after a few days if you're still looking for the elk in the vastness of the Rockies.
That's cool if it works for you,but I don't remember you being one of the kool kids whining either....
My post was about those saying how in shape they are doing cardio/weights/bikes and such then complain about rifle weight...More bragging than fact,it seems as usual...
Is there a downside to, all else being equal, carrying less weight than needed? I've never carried any rifle and thought to myself "You know, it'd be nice to have a couple more pounds added to this thing while I climb this hill.".
Hey, I've got a MK-V .340 I rather dote on so weight and recoil aren't things I've wussed out about. Having said that a nice and light little .308 has gained more and more favor of late as it's very accurate, kicks less and with modern bullets the "lesser" calibers aren't near as less as they used to be. So, other than it's what you've got and it works for you (which is fine of course) WHY WOULD you carry more rifle than you had to? Besides, shape is one thing and "shape for your age" is another. I notice things being heavier now I wouldn't have 20yrs ago. Doesn't mean I can't live with it, but yeah, I notice.
I like my ladies lighter too. They all have the same parts but if I'm making a choice I know what my preference is.
logcutter, this will be the first time I bragged about being in shape on this forum. Picture this.
You and I are hunting public land swarming with hunters and we are unknown to each other. A mulie buck emerges that offers you and I safe shot at 150 yards out, we pull the trigger simultaneously. Both carrying 10 lbs plus rifles, I can beat you in a foot race to tag that deer.
Black bear I killed this spring with my 20+ pound .338 Lapua Magnum. I had hiked in this drainage the afternoon before with a friend and we had seen three different bears. I had my lightweight .308 along that day. One of the three was a shooter, but I did'nt feel right about taking the cross canyon shot with the way the wind was swirling. On the way home, I decided to pack in the big rifle the next day and it paid off.
Wyoming, spring 2010. This bear I shot with my 7.5 pound .308 from 530 meters from a rock solid prone rest across a steep, snow filled canyon. There was zero wind and the bullet hit exactly where the crosshair was held. And I was damn glad I was packing that rifle that day.......It was a 12 mile round trip getting him out.
We crossed here to retrieve the bear. My point is, excercise the ability to be diverse.
I can't see cutting a few pounds from your gear being a bad thing no matter what shape your in. I wouldn't want to make my rifle so lite that I can't shoot it well. I was in the military but I am no longer 20 something. I climb Mt Katahdin (5'268) twice a year, Mt Washington (6,288) about 4 times a year, and Mt Monadnock (3,165) about 6 to 8 times a year. I may not climb as fast as some but you won't catch me moaning, groaning, whinning, or crying. I know my strenghts and weakness and know how to work with them to get the job done.
Any time Loco..Any low life that steals family pictures for there own entertainment to there photobucket album with ill intents,needs his azz kicked and big time....
Mine too, and I really thought weight was important, but my last goat hunt I used a Blaser rifle, and all up was about 8.5lbs. I don't remember it being a bother any more than my 6.5lb NULA was on the previous goat hunt Don
I will bet atleast 75% of the whiners about rifle weight,have never been in the military where they make men out of boys.Benning sure changed my way of life at 17.
I mean were not talking tons of weight,just 16 ounces and it breaks a hunt to some!!!!Sad....
Yet your in shape?
Do you think weight or boot choice matters to these guys that are in shape?
Logcutter, I would suggest that every item these guys wear and carry has been designed to be as portable and light as possible. Thankfully, going up the hill for a sheep or a bull does not require we carry all this stuff. Their job may.
What is your point? Carry your ten pound rifle if you want to. It's ok.
Mine too, and I really thought weight was important, but my last goat hunt I used a Blaser rifle, and all up was about 8.5lbs. I don't remember it being a bother any more than my 6.5lb NULA was on the previous goat hunt Don
There 'ya go..The truth...If you are in shape,a few ounces doesn't matter.I am an old fart and the thought of taking my 9# 375 H&H around the hills all day,does not bother me in the least.
If I said it did,one of my 4 boys would call me a puss and rightfully so.
Mine too, and I really thought weight was important, but my last goat hunt I used a Blaser rifle, and all up was about 8.5lbs. I don't remember it being a bother any more than my 6.5lb NULA was on the previous goat hunt Don
When hunting here in Missouri my rifle is in my hands....out west it's either on my shoulder or lashed to my pack.
I am glad you asked that..A real Elk gun is not a "Rock Star" but a rifle/caliber an experienced Elk hunter has learned to use.He already shot Elk with 243's/25-06's/30-30's and the leverguns and saw an actual difference in immediate results not caring what the cool kids on the net think,only what he has seen,not read,but done.
Everyones experiences differ in some way as they should, because that is the way it is....If I could only hunt Elk in territory like say Coyote Hunter,I might have a different opinion,but I don't..My country is very steep and I want dead now,not in 100 yards and some calibers offer that,if you can shoot them.
I do not believe a 243 kills as good as a .300 Win Mag..Seen it to many times with similar shot placement..It just is not true unless maybe,you have someone else to pack it out.
This thread has gone into the gutter, but I have noticed Logcutter's threads have a tendency to do that at times.
Regardless of in shape or not, I find rifles that go about 7.5 pounds to 8.5 pounds all up and balance around the front guard screw just handle better for most of my hunting and that is what I prefer. I wouldn't be real interested in hunting with a rifle that weighs 8.25-pound plus scope, rings & ammo for 9.75 pounds all up unless that's all I had. Overall balance and rifle feel is more important than caliber to me. I would hunt a well-balanced 8-pound .270 over a 10-pound .338 for elk anyday and would choose the .338 over the .270 if the weight and balance was reversed.I even had my .375 built sub 8 pounds with scope, ammo and sling and it is near perfect for that caliber in my mind.
Would you approve of a 30-06? Would a 45-70 lever action not kill an Elk better then a .243 bolt action? Can you give me a more straight forward answer to what you concider to be an Elk Rifle? I am just a dumb Marine so I need it crystal clear to make sure I understand.
Would you approve of a 30-06? Would a 45-70 lever action not kill an Elk better then a .243 bolt action? Can you give me a more straight forward answer to what you concider to be an Elk Rifle? I am just a dumb Marine so I need it crystal clear to make sure I understand.
Okay..Jarhead and I say that with respect.
I fricken don't know it all and if you have any experience at all,you sure don't need or want mine or anyone else's opinion on anything.Atleast,that's the way I am.
I payed my dues hunting with the wrong bullets and calibers in different situations, unknown unless 'ya been there...Like telling a Marine about fitness...
He already knows or he wouldn't be a Marine and payed his dues.
I have never found disrespect in the term Jarhead. I am not challenging you. I just find it odd that you disqualify a lever action. I would agree with you, to me a .243 wouldn't be an Elk rifle I would choose to use. Can it kill an elk? Sure! Part of the beauty of living in America is that we can make our own choices for the most part and for now anyways. What is right for you may not be right for the next guy. Experiance is what decides what is right or wrong for most of us. My first choice would be a bow. I wouldn't hesitate to use a number of different types of rifle actions and calibers.
I agree that rifle weight alone won't make or break a hunt. But, I did a slimming down on ALL my gear. Cut a few pounds and ounces here and there, and I was down over 15lbs riding on my back, going up the mountain. That made a huge difference for me.
With all due respect to everyone involved I prefer a gun to weigh 8lbs or so all up and to have good balance. A lighter rifle might carry easier, but I simply cant shoot them as well hence my preference for moderate weight guns. I hiked all over hell in Montana last year with a 8.25lb all up gun last year and it didnt bother me in the least.
Calvin 15lbs is a huge difference I don't care how good of shape one is in. Even a modest 5lbs is going to make the going easier. I would cut weight wherever I can and still get what I need done.
It is all relative to what you are comparing your shape to. Compared to an olympic swimmer NO. Compared to someone that sits on their azz all day eating twinkies YES.
Before I started PT with the recruiters I could barely walk a mile with my pack and rifle.
But after a few months I can run with my pack on and still get a six minute mile. Am I in great shape? No, most of my friends can do a even faster mile.
But I am happy that I improved since last year? Yes I am.
Someone tell those dip&hits riding carbon fiber bikes in the Tour De France that logcutter will smoke them on his Huffy.
The bikes used in the Tour aren't as light as can be had. There is 15lb min allowed. In cycling there are two types of weight the one they worry about is rotational weight. Dead weight they can get by with.
Before I started PT with the recruiters I could barely walk a mile with my pack and rifle.
But after a few months I can run with my pack on and still get a six minute mile. Am I in great shape? No, most of my friends can do a even faster mile.
Before I started PT with the recruiters I could barely walk a mile with my pack and rifle.
But after a few months I can run with my pack on and still get a six minute mile. Am I in great shape? No, most of my friends can do a even faster mile.
You are a lying SOB.
Your right, it is like six twenty or six twenty five.
docost99 posted some pics for me in the Savage collectors section yesterday, behind pics of the rifle is the mountain that backs up to my farm, its alot steeper than the pics allow, Im goin' on 50 yrs, and that old mountain has kept me in reasonable condition chasin' deer and piggies up, down, and across it each year. General farm work and honey-do's play a definate part all year long as well. Rifle and gear/pack weight have never been an issue w/ me, although I have two stocks down at Karnis' right now getting made as light as possible, for a little 7mm-08 mountain rifle, and a little Ruger UL in a 257R, these will be loaner rifles for kids and young men that may not have a hunting rifle and want to learn to hunt.
I can't see how a guy doesn't have atleast an 8.5# rifle all decked out and loaded.All these years of most of us just doing it, without thought of rifle weight makes me wonder what the big deal is about 16 ounces of weight.
Put some extra's in a Bubba Buddy and your really heavy.
My rifle is heavier than yours is. That means I'm a better man, more in shape, have a bigger cock, make more money, am happier, will kill more elk in my lifetime and I may as well be the next "Most Interesting Man in the World".
I don't always hunt elk, but when I do, I carry a heavy rifle
My rifle is heavier than yours is. That means I'm a better man, more in shape, have a bigger cock, make more money, am happier, will kill more elk in my lifetime and I may as well be the next "Most Interesting Man in the World".
I don't always hunt elk, but when I do, I carry a heavy rifle
My rifle is heavier than yours is. That means I'm a better man, more in shape, have a bigger cock, make more money, am happier, will kill more elk in my lifetime and I may as well be the next "Most Interesting Man in the World".
I don't always hunt elk, but when I do, I carry a heavy rifle
Actually will be up in your neighborhood(my ole college stomping grounds) next month for my brother's wedding in Jellystone. Gonna do some fishin with a fisheries biologist buddy while I'm at it too.
I don't know how much my rifles weigh..don't really care. It's not as if I'm going to leave it at home if it's more than 8 lbs.
I do know that my .25-06 weighs a whole lot more than my 7x57, so if I'm gonna be doing a lot of walking, I'd probably grab the 7. Not a matter of in shape, or obsession with light weight, It's what I have and what suits the particular hunting situation.
theres little doubt that a shorter and lighter rifles easier to carry, but you don,t normally use a rifle just for its ease of transport! at least in my case I put a good deal of thought into what it can do in as far as power and accuracy once its actually used! hell! my 3.7 lb 22LR CRICKET rifle I bought to teach my kids to shoot is easier to carry than my 9.5 lb 340wby , or a 9 lb 375 H&H with its scope and bi-pod , but once you actually get close enough to an elk in a location where you can take a shot the difference in effectiveness of that 22LR cricket PALES in comparison to the 340wby,or 375 H&H so the 340 wby or 375 H&H gets taken when I hunt ELK almost every time! yeah! Im well aware that a 270 win or a 30/06 will kill any elk, but I trust my 340wby and 375H&H far more when hunting
hell! my 3.7 lb 22LR CRICKET rifle I bought to teach my kids to shoot is easier to carry than my 9.5 lb 340wby , or a 9 lb 375 H&H with its scope and bi-pod , but once you actually get close enough to an elk in a location where you can take a shot the difference in effectiveness of that 22LR cricket PALES in comparison to the 340wby,or 375 H&H so the 340 wby or 375 H&H gets taken when I hunt ELK almost every time!
There are plenty of 6.5-7.5 lb. rifles that'll kill an elk at distances farther than most can hit with.
Of course, they're not 340's , 375's, or 22LRs for that matter.
Heaviest rifle I carried was 13 lbs with a full load. A Reproduction Win 1886 in 45-70 made by Browning. Killed two elk with it. I was in my 40's and decied I BTDT. My Mod 70, .06 is right about 8 lbs now
Yeah...I been busy getting wood in but you can check out where I spent most of today...
Had lunch here and Steripened some cool water.Forgot the push-ups though..You can click on the picture and get the video...No offense,it sounds better than.....
Rifles and physical condition are only an issue if they won't/don't let you get the job done. There are plenty of other factors that can make a hunt unsuccessful besides weight and caliber of rifle and physical condition.
I understand the point Jayco was trying to make, but I'm not sure the premise was presented as well as it might have been.
Jayco, Good pics! Wish I was there instead of here!
No, he I suspect it came across exactly how he planned it. Look at his signature line. He likes questioning the manhood of others if they can't or won't do what he does.
Do you think weight or boot choice matters to these guys that are in shape?
Jayco
I know guys in that line of work now and who have been in that line of work in the past. Boot choice and weight is something they consider carefully because they have so much gear to carry. They like anything that will help them move faster, including light weight boots. So yes, it does matter to those guys.
Before I started PT with the recruiters I could barely walk a mile with my pack and rifle.
But after a few months I can run with my pack on and still get a six minute mile. Am I in great shape? No, most of my friends can do a even faster mile.
You are a lying SOB.
What evidence do you have that he can't do it? The man's training to go into the Marine Corps. Chances are, he wants to succeed. A mile in the 6's ain't that unreasonable. ME, no way I could do it...I'm closer to a 10 minute mile, no gear. But I'm 44 and been in the Air Force 25 years. I know guys about my age who can do their 1 1/2 miles in the 10s, so I don't think Winnie's claim is far fetched at all.
Days of me running a 6 min. mile was about 25 years ago.I realy don't care if you run a 4 min. mile kudos to you.I really don't see many guys running in the elk woods anyway,it's much better to stalk em than run them down.Maybe if I was running after them I would want a light little rifle,heck mabey a nice balsa spear would be better. BBJ
Do you think weight or boot choice matters to these guys that are in shape?
Jayco
I know guys in that line of work now and who have been in that line of work in the past. Boot choice and weight is something they consider carefully because they have so much gear to carry. They like anything that will help them move faster, including light weight boots. So yes, it does matter to those guys.
Those are DOLLS look at the arm on the "guy" on the right
There sure is a lot of difference hunting dry, high-altitude, steep and uneven topography. Pack in say 3 liters - 3/4th of a gallon of water. Add a good lunch, bone-saw , good knife, para-cord, little rope, compass, gps, radio, extra layers of clothes and enough to eat, yes, I mentioned something to eat twice. 10 rounds of ammo enough? 8X binos and a spotting scope, or the 10X's? Having some sort of tarp can make a hunt more comfortable if it starts to snow. Add some tp and a couple ways to build a fire, next thing you know your toting 25 ~ 30# of pure fun!
Not a loggers here, I shoe horses, some near the tree line 10,000 feet, I run chainsaw for a hobbies.
It does seem that most loggers will muf-mod and port a smaller saw, to get a larger saws performance, mainly to conserve weight. Say a modified MS 440/460 to do the work of a 660 . Dropping a tree on a road for firewood, I stihl like my 361 over my 660 . Normally I never cut a tree for a helicopter, or even one that I can't see the truck. But I have shot elk where the first words out my mouth is "oh-puck!" or something like that.
Tell me a way I could take a pound off my rifle I think ill listen?
Do you think weight or boot choice matters to these guys that are in shape?
Jayco
I know guys in that line of work now and who have been in that line of work in the past. Boot choice and weight is something they consider carefully because they have so much gear to carry. They like anything that will help them move faster, including light weight boots. So yes, it does matter to those guys.
This is the funniest part of the thread.
Jayco posted a picture of his doll collection as if it would prove a point.
Do a search on 'Fake navy seal picture" and this will come up a million times.
Poor jayco, hard to be a cool kid when you're still playing with dolls.
Before I started PT with the recruiters I could barely walk a mile with my pack and rifle.
But after a few months I can run with my pack on and still get a six minute mile. Am I in great shape? No, most of my friends can do a even faster mile.
You are a lying SOB.
What evidence do you have that he can't do it?
I don't have a shred of evidence, but I still think he's a liar.
To start with, you don't post BS like, "I can run a mile with a pack in X min" unless that pack has some weight in it. If the pack weighs five pounds and you can run a six minute mile with it, you are still a bullshchittin' SOB.
SF ODA standard is to be able to cover multiple miles with a 45# rucksack, an M4, plus a fighting load and water, at a 14min/mile pace. For PT we often just did hard fast ruck marches with the #45 ruck and a camelback. There were quite a few studs who could run downhill and force march uphill for 4mi in under 40min. NO [bleep] BODY could cover a mile with that load in six minutes. There may be somebody who can do it, but I doubt it's him.
I also used to train guys getting ready for SFAS so I've operated a stopwatch a few times and observed what is doable. I have a pretty good BS detector when some internet commando tries to spray my a$$.
He amended it to 6:20 or 6:25. Before we check him at 2 or 3 miles, mebbe we better check that mile time, first. Ain't sayin' he can't do it, just sayin' the Reagan Rule is in effect: trust, but verify.
I have a book by Clay Harvey. He doesn't seem to like to carry anything over 6 1/2 pounds scoped. I have another book by Bob Hagel and he says todays hunters seem to lack the stamina to carry anything more than themselves into the woods. He seems to prefer 8-9 pound rifles. Me? I like 7 1/2 to 8 1/2 scoped. Makes them more steady for when I need to take an offhand shot than some wispy 6 pounder.
Take any flatlander and place them at altitude, and your going to see diminishing performance.
Give that same hunter a thin mat he can't rest well on, and a surrounding he is not accustomed to, change his diet, hydration requirements, and performance drops further.
Using the term reluctantly, most every athlete there is loses mobility with added weight.
****I am a puzzy and can't stand up for myself**** That's what the ignore button means to real men not afraid to tackle hard subjects.
Putting people on ignore,whomever they are,show that persons lack of backing up the facts..Never have in my life, have I put anyone on ignore,I can ignore them like a man,or prove them wrong!!!!
My choice, instead of the chicken chit method of running from the facts and the easy way out on the net,the Ignore Button.
See..Here are the facts about rifle weight and hunting...
First..Most people choose to carry way/way more than they need on a hunting trip,mostly because they have no idea or read it on the net.You do not need a 50# pack on your back..I never in all my years of hunting,wore a backpack...Don't need it....
Second..Those that whine about 16 ounces of rifle weight,what the heck do they do when they have to pack out Elk quarters????
A heavy wool jacket weighs more than anything your going put on your rifle and you don't need the dang thing..Why,you ask..I did over 40 years of logging and some in waist deep snow never owning a wool jacket I wanted to take to work and get ripped to threads...
Why does this thread bother some because it is a fact?
Just prove me wrong or ignore me,I could care less but I can back up my experiences....
Facts are, and know one wants to listen,Fritos Corn Chips are one of the best fire starters out there and levis keep you dry and warm if there water proofed at the dry cleaners.....I used to snow ski in them because I couldn't afford ski pants not to mention the many years I worked in waist deep snow.
My off time was and is Fishing/Hunting/Huckleberry pick'n and just being out there..Not one Wal-Mart within 75 miles of my house nor a free-way within 200 miles...Never sat at a desk/peddled real estate or worked full time in a city over 3500 people...
We have one stop light in our town...Play is work and rifle weight is not now or ever an issue even as I age..If I can't carry a rifle around anymore,regardless of weight, I will quit hunting and check into a rest home...
A heavy wool jacket weighs more than anything your going put on your rifle and you don't need the dang thing..
Just prove me wrong or ignore me,I could care less but I can back up my experiences....
Jayco
You just proved yourself wrong with your comment on the wool jacket. Wool is great as an insulator, keeps you warm even when wet, is quiet, etc.
But it's heavy, much heavier than other materials you can use for insulation.
So lots of guys wear a jacket made from synthetics, keeps 'em just as warm with less weight to lug around.
Just like lots of guys choose a rifle that weighs less. No sense carrying an 8 1/2-9 lb. rifle if you can carry one that does the same thing at 7 1/2.
"Manliness" has nothing to do with it.
If you want to measure your "manliness," measure the weight of the pack you can strap on your back and still negotiate the mountains, that's a much more accurate measure than what a single piece of gear weighs. You can get 'em pretty heavy with a good load of elk meat. Hell, anybody can tote a single piece of over-weight gear, that doesn't indicate more balls, just less brains.
Oh, almost forgot:
Originally Posted by logcutter
I never in all my years of hunting,wore a backpack......
Never wore a backpack, what, are you some kind of a puzzy?
..I never in all my years of hunting,wore a backpack...Don't need it....
Second..Those that whine about 16 ounces of rifle weight,what the heck do they do when they have to pack out Elk quarters????
..............
Just prove me wrong or ignore me,I could care less but I can back up my experiences....
Jayco
Do you use a pack to pack out elk quarters?
I carry everything from 10 lb muzzleloaders to 6 lb rifles with a wide mix in between. None of them are hunt stoppers to me and I enjoy hunting with all of them. ...but 6 lbs is always easier to carry than 10 lbs...doesn't matter how good or poor your conditioning is.
I can't post any pictures of me and my first elk with a rifle. I've only taken em with a bow. My bow weights 7lbs all up. Maybe I should strap weights on it!
I have been bow hunting for close to 40 years..I also have none taken with a bow..Owe well..
Just calling a few crude/gross loudmouth's bluff,and your not one of them.
They probably stole kids lunches in the past with descriptions of there "private parts" which puts them in the pedophilia class as exbioligist so masterly printed on a public inrernet where kids read...What a looser!!!
This is his quote....
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Have I mentioned the callouses on my pecker where it drags on the ground?
Logcutter I think you are coming on a little strong. I get your point as I think others have too. I am sure you have a chit load of experiance and knowledge. If someone wants to carry a 5lb rifle whats the big deal? If someone wants to use a .243 whats the big deal? Personally I choose to do 99% of my big game hunting with a bow. I don't hunt with many guys but those I do have never bitched about anything. I know one that would have liked to but he knew that would have been the end of hunting with me. If it works for you run it.
I have been bow hunting for close to 40 years..I also have none taken with a bow..Owe well..
Jayco
Priceless. I bowhunted last year for the first time and got my bull. But it looks like you've got 40 years experience, so that must mean you're the better bowhunter, eh?
And yeah, seeing as how you know I hunt elk with muzzleloaders and now the bow, asking for a pic with a centerfire is pretty crafty, I'll admit.
But that doesn't mean I don't know about carrying centerfires in the mountains from experience, pudnah'. I grew up hunting in the mountains of VA, and hunted there for close to 20 years before moving out west. Last time I went back, (last fall) I toted a 7 1/2 lb. rifle, all up. Much lighter than the one I started out with.
I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. At least some old dogs.
But let's see a pic of you with a backpack. You must have some stashed away somewhere. Because if you don't have one, you're not qualified to comment on backpacks, and I know you're not the kind of man to comment on things you have no experience with, right?
Your a fricken looser..Put up or shut up..Show us just one Elk you killed with a center fire weapon.
How many years have you Elk Hunted elk with a center fire to give an opinion on a center fire Elk hunting forum?
And you argue like you know what the hell your talking about with Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore ammunition..He forgot more about hunting and loading than you will ever know.
Whats this big guy....Your right..A "Military Issue" pauncho shading the Elk Meat.
Have I mentioned the callouses on my pecker where it drags on the ground?
What a pervert.Do you know kids read this forum????..Maybe some one else wants to listen to a potty mouth like you,but not me...And I won't put you on ignore like some puzzies do...I can handle you easy like a man.
How many years have you Elk Hunted elk with a center fire to give an opinion on a center fire Elk hunting forum?
And you argue like you know what the hell your talking about with Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore ammunition..He forgot more about hunting and loading than you will ever know.
Whats this big guy....Your right..A "Military Issue" pauncho shading the Elk Meat.
Your all talk.....Period...
Jayco
Great pic. That you with the apron? Just foolin. What's the pic supposed to prove,anyway?
I thought this thread was about carrying centerfires in the mountains. You think I should post my comments on the deer hunting forum since I was carrying the centerfires while hunting deer?
Would someone with a special education background please dumb my comments down for him?
Need help do 'ya....What a looser...
Most of us on here are parents and don't appreciate some educated monkey making sexual remarks that could and do offend the young that read and post here....
If I am the only one to comment on a few comments here,so be it..I would do the same or worse in person.
That's cool if it works for you,but I don't remember you being one of the kool kids whining either....
My post was about those saying how in shape they are doing cardio/weights/bikes and such then complain about rifle weight...More bragging than fact,it seems as usual...
Jayco
I don't remember anyone saying 1 lb was a hunt breaker. When i was young and dumb, i would run and gun. Now, i'll take you hunting if you tote my gun.
I don't remember anyone saying 1 lb was a hunt breaker. When i was young and dumb, i would run and gun. Now, i'll take you hunting if you tote my gun.
I won't hunt with you but I would carry your rifle if you hunted with me..It would not be the first time I carried more than one rifle with with 6 kids.
I sure don't get the jest of those against being in enough shape to carry a rifle/weapon capable of anchoring an Elk in any situation.What happens when the packing starts??????
I'll leave you guys with not troll talk but that so heavy Winchester Mod '70 Supergrade that gave me three hernias but kilt nearly 75% of my critters...
Pre '64 Winchester Mod 70 "Super Grade" in 270 Winchester..Weight to heavy to quote..Over 8...It is a ball buster.
Well said K. Now i'll tell you what to expect next, unless you have a lot of help nearby or really need the meat. Eventually you will look at that bull and then think how far you are back-in and what time you'll get back to camp if you put the arrow (or bullet) correct and how you'll feel and smell when you crawl in that bag to sleep. Then you'll think how nice it would be to get back an hour and a half after dark and have a toddy while the dinty more heats up. You'll be sad he's not a 380 and turn and try to get to a good trail before last light.
You want to knock my Grandma..Bring it in person..What a looser to pic on family..
How many Smoke Pole..You refuse to answer and why???
Jayco
I wasn't knockin' your grandma, I was knockin' you. Your grandma appears to have been a prime example of the kind of people that once made this country great.
Refuse to answer what? I don't hunt elk with centerfires and you know that, so why do you keep asking? Are you dense?
I've hunted elk in the late season with a centerfire once or twice.
Now answer my question.
Are you saying that only an elk hunter who uses centerfires is qualified to comment on carrying 8.5 lb. rifles vs. 7 lb. rifles in the mountains?
What do you base that on? What about a sheep hunter or deer hunter?
I used to carry a wood-stocked Hawken on elk hunts, that thing probably weighs 10+ lbs., never weighed it. I switched to a 7-lb. T/C in-line.
Does that qualify me, or is there something magical about a centerfire that makes it different to tote in the mountains?
I guess then,most of you are not in shape as you brag!!!!!If 16 ounces of rifle weight is a problem,your just not in shape where you need be.
Then some bitch about recoil of the real Elk calibers..Go figure...
There is know way in hell your in shape if 16 ounces of rifle weight is a hunt breaker,period.com....
Jayco
You are a jackass and most likely a troll, you sound a lot like Swampass 700 with your hardass bullschit talk. Have you killed a dragon with your 20lb. rifle also and packed it out out of the mountains all by yourself? Stupid prick.
You are a jackass and most likely a troll, you sound a lot like Swampass 700 with your hardass bullschit talk. Have you killed a dragon with your 20lb. rifle also and packed it out out of the mountains all by yourself? Stupid prick
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My left nut contains more gray matter than what you possess in your whole [bleep]' head XXXXXX. You are the dumbest, most ignorant, blind, retarded, inbred, white trash, moronic a$$hole I've come across on a website in a long time. Btw, I love M700s and many other rifles, but the way you talk about them makes me want beat you in your misshapen, waterhead skull with one you [bleep] dult.
You sound pretty grown up and intelligent and you call others trolls....
Guess I missed the part where there is a difference between a logger/feller taking a smaller chainsaw for the job. Modify that saw (Say some port and muffler work to an MS-440/460 to try and do the work of an MS-660) , to save weight, mind you.
And it is not alright to mention a lighter elk rifle?
This is fore once a good question. NO never have been most like never will be. I will be there with a rifle. I don't weary about weight.If a person let's people that do move them to you.
Howdy Jayco - In my mid 50's, I'm sure not as fit as I was when younger, but I still do okay in the hills. Not much of an elk hunter either I guess, having taken only one. Tried for a few others over the years. Clearly remember one decent bull just plain out-walking me here in the Cascades. I was in pretty doggone good shape back then too, but he apparently decided to leave me far behind in that steep country.
My hunting rifles are pretty much just standard weight. Don't have any real lightweight rifles, do have a couple of heavier rifles that are less than fun while hiking miles and miles of steep country. Carried one of those heavy rifles, a laminated stock Model 70, quite a few miles last year during mule deer season. Backpacked in with that same rifle on a four-day solo mule deer hunt a few years ago too. I'd have preferred a lighter rifle, no doubt. I put up with the weight because that particular Model 70 is so doggone accurate and I was anticipating a longish range shot. If I get out for elk this year, I'll likely be packing a roughly 8-9 lb rifle again, probably the old .30-06 M1917. Carried the .375 Number One for the heck of it last year, no luck on elk, but I did take a decent bear with it. I'd guess it weighs about 9 pounds, scoped.
The most experienced elk hunter I know personally is a tough & smart ol' fellow, must be mid/late 60's by now. Usually he hunts with a .358 Win/Browning BLR although he's got a .300 Win mag Model 70 for longer range cross-canyon type shots and has taken elk with his .454 Freedom Arms revolver as well. Typically he gets into his elk country via horseback, then does his hunting afoot.
My post was about, are you really in shape?I know you are..But do you remember the Military and there fitness/punishment means?I do and will never forget because it tackles the carrying a rifle all day long and remember the old M-1 weighing in at 9.5 lbs as standard issue for everyone...
I remember having to hold the weapon horizontal (strait out from the body) until you can't any more and doing calisthenics with weapon in hand and even a few laps running around the rest of the squad with the weapon above my head as punishment besides the 10 zillion push ups.
My point, not well put,it seems on this thread, is that we rarely here of those old ways of getting used to carrying a weapon more hours a day than most of us want.Cardio is great as well as lifting weights but neither suffices for rifle and weight....
Like with weights..Put an 8 pound rifle horizontal daily and it soon becomes a light weight and then 9 pounds also becomes light after time.I just never here that in these in shape threads and when some whine about what boils down to 16 ounces in rifle weight and they claim there in shape,yes it bothers me becaause there not.
What would your DI said if someone said this weapon is just to heavy,sir. ..
To many people cut rifle weight first then carry a pack loaded with way to many things not absolutely needed on an Elk hunt.I never have carried a pack of any kind,except the miltary,out in the woods.If I can't get it on my belt or in my pockets,I don't need it..But thats just my way not worrying about rifle weight but rifle used.
'Morning Jayco - yes, I remember those days in the infantry. Looking back, I have to marvel at what those young fellows accomplished. And no, I can't do that kind of hiking & running and carrying anymore. Doggone it.
About the backpack - well yes, I use one most of the time when I hunt. Somewhere to put lunch/snacks and water. Somewhere to stash an extra layer of clothing when it's not needed. Since I'm mostly a mule deer hunter, it's been a good way to carry boned out meat or deer quarters as well. Sometimes a larger pack, usually a smaller one, just big enough to hold whatever I'll need for a day in the hills.
Yeah..I sure can't do that stuff like I used to either.But the principal is still there, regardless of age.Use it or lose it.
As for the backpack,I choose not to because it hampers me for quick shots on the move,it also makes it more noisy going through the brush and seems to bind me when I want to drop to my knee for a quick shot. We all have our little quirks we prefer hunting from learning and seeing first hand,and that's one of mine.
I carry lunch attached to my belt or tucked into my shirt along with rope/saw or axe/knife and water all on my belt,then my pockets,top and bottom, with the rest of my stuff I choose to take with nothing binding me in any way for that quick shot.
Everyone has there learning experiences and when one looks back over all those years,I still find some important tips learned in the Military that help in hunting even though I wear only tennis shoes,when weather permits.Something I learned walking into my saw strips, carrying my gear.Things happen out there that a guy has to move as quickly as possible and being light on your feet,sure has saved my azz a time or three.
Best of luck to you and your son this year also.Them kids sure come in handy packing out stuff.My sons say sit down old man and let me do it although it never happens that way.
We have had numerous threads on being in shape and everyone claims they are, yet I here people whining about 16 or maybe 32 ounces in rifle weight....
A new Winchester Mod 70 Super Grade weighs in naked at 8 lbs 4 ounces..Is that to heavy to hunt with for you?
What gives?
Jayco
In my case at age 70 and in decent(but still 70) shape, I look for lighter rifles. To the 8 lbs. 4 oz. rifle add mounts, rings, scope, ammo and sling and, you are looking at almost 10 pounds.
If you stand hunt, not so bad; but if you walk and climb mountains, it will wear you.
I stand with the opinion that 16 ounces in rifle weight is not a hunt breaker and people tend to carry way more on them than they actually need to take...
But then again,that is just my opinion,not an agenda.If I hurt anyones feelers,shucks...Sorry .
As for the backpack,I choose not to because it hampers me for quick shots on the move,it also makes it more noisy going through the brush and seems to bind me when I want to drop to my knee for a quick shot. We all have our little quirks we prefer hunting from learning and seeing first hand,and that's one of mine.
Well, this thread has certainly come full circle, back to the only logical conclusion which is "personal preference."
I made my first bow kill last year, on a stalk through thick oakbrush and all manner of brambles. Snuck to within 30 yards and made the shot and I guarantee you I never noticed the pack on my back; the bull and the cows with him didn't either. Drawing and shooting a bow is more exacting than shooting a rifle, as far as your gear getting in the way. I've also done it with rifles, including from one knee, and the pack never entered into the equation as far as being in the way or making noise. Now, if I'd had my lunch, 2 liters of water, extra jacket, and everything I needed to process an elk hangin' off my belt, that would have been in the way, probably would've snagged on the brush.
As a matter of fact, last year deer hunting, I made a 400-yard shot which is not all that long for a lot of guys I know, but if not for the pack I had that I used as a rest, prone, I probably wouldn't have even attempted the shot.
A quality pack made for hunting won't be noisy and won't get in the way. And several, including mine, have attachments that allow you to carry your rifle on the pack, hands free, with the weight on your hips where it belongs-not on your arms or shoulders. And the pack I use has a quick-release system and I've seen guys with a shotgun secured in it call "pull," remove the shotgun, and break the clay bird, just to prove a point. So "quick shots" are not a problem if you get the right pack. And you can always just carry the rifle at the ready, when needed.
What carrying a pack does for me is allows me to have enough water, extra food, and extra clothes to stay out all day (and overnight if I had to) and then pack some of the meat out on the first trip. Ain't no way I'm hanging 2 liters of water off my belt, and all that other stuff, when I can put it on my back, out of the way.
That's my personal preference. I'd rather carry a pound and a half of water or food than a pound and a half of rifle that won't shoot any better than the one I've got.
You say you've never hunted with any sort of pack on your back? You must not get very far from the road...What would you do if you were 6 or 7 miles from your outfit in 20* below temps and you slipped and broke your leg? How would you survive the night?
I tracked this bull all day on a cold and clear November day. It was getting late in the afternoon and I wasn't about to give it up and go to the pickup, so I found a heavily limbed Engleman Spruce tree, put on all the extra clothes I had in my pack and spent the night. I caught up to the bull about 9 AM the next morning. Hunting elk in the mountains without a pack? Seriously? How do you carry your spotting scope? Your tripod? your food and water? Rain gear? Flashlight?
After I killed him I took the antlers, cape and both backstraps out. Two trips later, I had the rest of his meat back at home. I also killed a 180" mule deer buck on the way for another load. That buck went out on my back in one load...
Unless I have these with me,I don't get 6-7 miles from the road and If I do,I am prepared always to spend atleast a night out.You don't need a 50# pack to survive and unless your in a survival situation,it is all wasted weight to carry.
I always..Expect the unexpected in everything I do!!!!
I see you have logged some..How many days have you logged at 20-40 below?The equipment won't start or run without #1 Diesal(clear heating oil) and bar oil is unacceptable(like glue) at those temp and use motor oil for the bar.Your mustache freezes solid as well as anything exposed....
I am well aware of the outdoors in there worst conditions and know what it takes to survive and work in them.If it is 20 below or going to be...I am staying home,not hunting..I have seen what can happen.
.You don't need a 50# pack to survive and unless your in a survival situation,it is all wasted weight to carry.
You're right, you don't need a 50 lb. pack. Even in a survival situation. Who said you did?
If you're elk hunting in the mountains, and getting to where the elk are, a survival situation is always right around the bend. Especially if you're on horses.
Put yourself in one of those, and what are you gonna want with you, a well-stocked pack (15#) or what you can hang off your belt?
And while we're at it, you're big on military training, when did they stop training troops to carry packs?
I spent my entire life living and working in the Elk mountains of Idaho..Shot quite a few just going to or from work.I have had to live out weeks at a time.I have worked in the snow and cold to -40 degree's.I spend almost everyday out there now getting firewood..
I have seen umpteen loggers killed and packed out friends..I think I know alittle about the outdoors...
I'll give you my backside(no pun intended) of one of the many fires I have fought...Swing a polanski 14 hours a day and you sure don't worry about rifle weight...Yes..The Forest Circus shuts down logging operations in fire conditions..You either fight fire or watch soap opera's..I choose to work with seasons so short.
Hey Mark..I have been showing my credentials for the outdoors,wheres yours to question me or my intentions?
Come on dude....Lets see your first Elk.Alot of others have shown theres..Your a 50/50 guy you say..You must have a pic of your first or atleast a story....
You have to have something to show you have been killing Elk for 50 years...Anything.
Unless I have these with me,I don't get 6-7 miles from the road
Well that pretty well explains everything and why it's pretty tough to take anything you have to say very seriously... too funny. A thread on rifle weight coming from a non-backpacking horse guy.
Logcutter--I'll get to them, looked thru one stash today and nothing from so far back but I'll do my best to find them for you.
Side note, I never said I'd been killing elk for 50 years, I mentioned I was a member of the 50/50 club and that's over 50 years of age and in on and around the taking of over 50 elk.
Dober
In the mean time I can put up pics of the last couple and you can do the same...ok?
Logcutter, after this post I would just apologize and go away for awhile.
Good work scenarshooter, most of us can only dream of getting it done like that.
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
I tracked this bull all day on a cold and clear November day. It was getting late in the afternoon and I wasn't about to give it up and go to the pickup, so I found a heavily limbed Engleman Spruce tree, put on all the extra clothes I had in my pack and spent the night. I caught up to the bull about 9 AM the next morning. Hunting elk in the mountains without a pack? Seriously? How do you carry your spotting scope? Your tripod? your food and water? Rain gear? Flashlight?
After I killed him I took the antlers, cape and both backstraps out. Two trips later, I had the rest of his meat back at home. I also killed a 180" mule deer buck on the way for another load. That buck went out on my back in one load...
Dats the one I shot at 17 yds about dark that ran into his cave at the shot, got to crawl into a bruin den for my first time. Wish you'd of been with me that night...grin
Out scouting for bruins Sat and found one about the size of a black VW Bug...yeeha
I have a tall boy (diet dew) for the first one to tell me about the hat I'm wearing with the bruin. I'll even spot you guys a few minutes over Scenar for fun..
Jayco, you finally get it!! That is our point exactly!! It's about carrying an adequate gun to do the job, not about carrying a heavier gun than you need to just to prove something to somebody else, or to try to prove that you are more in shape than somebody who carries a lighter gun.
We have a winner....lot of luck in those old hats from the Horn
Dober
(side note, found pic of the first bull I have with a pic of will try to scan and put up tmrw. In the mean time Logcutter feel free to post some pics as well)
Glad I had my backpack along for this hunt I did in the Ragged Range in the NWT. The nearest road was 250 miles from where this picture was taken. The nearest horse trail...at least 100 miles.
I figure someday I'll a get a horse and a few mules to hunt with.....when I get too old to hunt the way I hunt now. Probably about 20 years from now. I'll be 54 this fall......grin! Nothing against horseback hunters, as I've done my fair share of it, but right now I still enjoy the personal challenge of pushing myself phisically when I hunt.
Spent many a night out in the bush chasing these around back in the day....NEVER left the outfit without my pack on my back.
Hey Mark..I have been showing my credentials for the outdoors,wheres yours to question me or my intentions?
Jayco
I've seen a pic of you with fish, and a couple of logging ones, now how you show some of elk from days of old as well from days of today. And deer, bruins, lopes etc would be good as well..come on lets keep this thread going with a bunch of pics
Six miles in I walked for this one. I got back to the pickup at 2 AM....glad I had my pack along as I got everything out in one load. It would have sucked walking back in there the next day. In fact the next day I was one an airplane headed to Alaska for another black bear hunt. Thats right, a DIY backpack hunt.
I had walked over 1,000 miles of the Appalachian Trail by the time I was 16 years old... anyone that thinks the weight of materials you carry on your back doesn't mean anything just hasn't done that much.
Brad, you've probably been here.....ball breaker climb above Lightning Lake on the way to Challis Peak in the AB. I was in there sheep hunting with a bud. It was the year Yellowstone Park burned up(1988)....Equinox storm kicked our azz for three days. You couldnt see more that 100 feet. Walking out of there on loose tallus covered with 18" of snow was one of the most demanding decents I've ever done. We were lucky to get out of there unscathed..
Camp at the base of Challis Peak before the storm hit..
We have a winner....lot of luck in those old hats from the Horn
Dober
Bought my Filson Double Mackinaw there. I quit wearing it for hunting though cuz it's too heavy. Your pencil-barreled 700 that I put in an EDGE is nirvana. I'll collect my tall boy when we get 'round to doin' lunch.
I cant even describe how poor it is up here. I'm out almost everyday, early and in good game country and I havent seen 50 or 60 deer total all summer. Some days, I wont even see one deer or antelope.
Sheridan County and Eastern Roosevelt is better that Valley County here, but still way down from last year. Most of these does(mule deer and whitetail) are barren. Antelope does are almost totally fawnless this summer. It's the worst I've seen since the winter of '77,'78.
I PM'd you a few months ago about the year or two about another severe winter, back in the mid-'70's, that I experienced when living in Poplar. The snow wasn't as deep, but it was deep enough, and the cold might have been been even worse.
Same deal: Very few deer anywhere for a couple of years, even on the riverbottoms--though there were more there than out on the prairie. It took a LOT of hunting just to get a deer or two of any kind, and there were many days without seeing one.
Nature is always a far crueler "harvester" than most hunters can imagine.
John, you've got that right. Luckily, it was mostly more severe up here in the NE corner. There are good numbers of deer and antelope in most other parts of the state..I'm just hoping we dont see another winter like last years for quite a while.
I cant even describe how poor it is up here. I'm out almost everyday, early and in good game country and I havent seen 50 or 60 deer total all summer. Some days, I wont even see one deer or antelope.
I sure don't like to hear that with a tag for the up coming season. Are the numbers better around Billings?
I spent my entire life living and working in the Elk mountains of Idaho..Shot quite a few just going to or from work.
Jayco
Have I mentioned how fast I am at rolling out of a truck and killing elk, deer or antelope?
And for that, one of them 8 pound rifles just won't cut it.
Seems like logcutter don't mind carrying a heavy gun, because he don't do a lot of walking with it. Horses instead of a backpack, and road hunting on the way to work. In those conditions, I guess a couple pounds font mean much. Glad your in such great shape. Wouldn't want you getting winded hiking from the truck to the critter. Don't forget to pick up the brass off the floorboard!
Now I can't claim I never road hunted...but I ain't the one condemning folks who must be out of shape if they prefer a light rifle.
Win mod 70 Black Shadow 7mm RM with 26" bbl 3-9x40 mildot scope and nylon sling weighs 8.5# I'm 61 Sat and have 15# gut but not all that bad shape except for wore out left knee. I can do 80 reps on the situp machine set on 60#.
It's the worst I've seen since the winter of '77,'78.
My first Winter on Earth, and the year Elvis died(77).
I imagine it gets better south like towards Terry and Miles City. Birds are around but it's gonna suck worrying about starting a fire with the pickup once things dry out.
Glad I had a pack this day to assist with elk hauling
Dober
Reading glasses in the vest pocket??......laffin! For punchin tags and such?
Good catch, I was gonna ask the Q what about this pic makes me look like a mature (older...grin) hunter. Aside of course from all the ganna's. And yes absolutely for punching tags, reading a lil Louie and looking for things in my Day Pack..
Having done some packing for Outfitters that limited how many pounds each hunter was allowed to bring to the top camp. One pack horse/mule per two hunters is fairly common. Most of the time the rifles went on the hunters ride, getting around that load restriction.
But there is no way your going to trick a bush-pilot. A pound off the rifle is a pound of 'anything' else.
I tracked this bull all day on a cold and clear November day. It was getting late in the afternoon and I wasn't about to give it up and go to the pickup, so I found a heavily limbed Engleman Spruce tree, put on all the extra clothes I had in my pack and spent the night. I caught up to the bull about 9 AM the next morning. Hunting elk in the mountains without a pack? Seriously? How do you carry your spotting scope? Your tripod? your food and water? Rain gear? Flashlight?
After I killed him I took the antlers, cape and both backstraps out. Two trips later, I had the rest of his meat back at home. I also killed a 180" mule deer buck on the way for another load. That buck went out on my back in one load...
Side note, I never said I'd been killing elk for 50 years, I mentioned I was a member of the 50/50 club and that's over 50 years of age and in on and around the taking of over 50 elk.
Owe..Heck I must of misunderstood you.One thing though Mark..In the dull days before Elk hunting the forum lit up for just a bit with some tall tales and pictures.Always nice to see the pics and get the blood moving...
I am up early because I have 3 cords of wood to get and deliver so maybe later on I can get one of my Bears in here with another Elk if my scanner stays in one piece...It don't like me.
Early on pack traning so I dont have to carry them heavy firearms..He he!
One of my trucks..
Here is a Grouse I got out Bow Hunting.You did say other game,right.
My favorite truck in McCall Idaho..Gawd was that a good one.
Here is the Deer you wanted with Momma staring me down...
Another spike with my neighbor helping...I love spikes over most of the big guys for table fare.
As you can tell by the pictures,my scanner is on it's last legs but I will try and give it mouth to mouth and see if I can get anymore out of it when I get back home sometime today.
Now I can't claim I never road hunted...but I ain't the one condemning folks who must be out of shape if they prefer a light rifle.
Shoot Dogs
I never condemned anyone for wanting a lighter rifle,only those who constantly complain about it.If they are always complaining about 16 ounces in rifle weight,I say there not in the shape they should be.
And for the so called road hunting...It is a given in the logging industry if you shoot an Elk coming to work or on the job,you have the day off.I have never/ever shot from a truck or a road...
Going to and from work is seeing animals and getting out and trying to catch up with them,off the road and out of the truck.
I stand by my "opinion" that if 16 ounces of rifle weight is a hunt breaker,someone is out of shape.
I tracked this bull all day on a cold and clear November day. It was getting late in the afternoon and I wasn't about to give it up and go to the pickup, so I found a heavily limbed Engleman Spruce tree, put on all the extra clothes I had in my pack and spent the night. I caught up to the bull about 9 AM the next morning. Hunting elk in the mountains without a pack? Seriously? How do you carry your spotting scope? Your tripod? your food and water? Rain gear? Flashlight?
After I killed him I took the antlers, cape and both backstraps out. Two trips later, I had the rest of his meat back at home. I also killed a 180" mule deer buck on the way for another load. That buck went out on my back in one load...
This is the baddest-ass post ever...
Gotta agree...it just looks friggin' cold Great job by Pat!
Pat what part of Montana is that? Not looking for trade secrets but the country is intriguing....just curious.
Kind of surprised over all the rancor about a light rifle weighing one pound difference. All else being equal, a lighter rifle is easier to carry. But a 25 year old who is overweight and out of shape would have a bad time of it climbing an elk mountain without a pack/rifle vs. a 50 year old who is in great shape with a pack/rifle. Its all relative.
If someone wants to build or buy a dedicated lighter rifle for mountain hunting, why is this an argument? Furthermore, if a pound is the heart of the debate, you are more likely able to shed that from your pack items and/or waist.
Furthermore, a very lightweight rifle can be harder to shoot accurately as many have found with the Kimber 84M. Proper technique from quality range time equates to muscle memory for consistent accuracy. Add to that, real world factors such as fatigue can aggravate the desired outcome.
The boys who are obsessed with weight are the dedicated sheep hunters who weigh every item down to their socks. Every piece of equipment gets a review as to its real necessity for survival or creature comforts. But they also stay or get into top shape because they know the demands the mountains will offer. They realize that its your ability to recover for day 2, 3 and so on which is key.
I was sitting at the saw shop reading the net on my dumb phone, waiting for them to open and read your comment about me lifting weights and your buddy..ending with "Just asking"
Why did you delete it?
Yes,I lift weights also.The bar alone weighs 45 lbs before the iron plates we add.This is all at my friends house and depending on getting firewood,I only do it 1-3 times a week....I do have a Weider set-up in the garage my boys and I also use...But I am a free weight guy at heart and use my hand held alot.
I actually had a minor heart attack some years ago doing 250 lbs on the 7th rep.Glad I had my buddy as a spotter..I never lift heavy by myself.I pretty much stick to 200 sometimes 225 with more reps now..Doctors orders.
By the way..That's a Kenworth not a Freightliner..
I stand by my "opinion" that if 16 ounces of rifle weight is a hunt breaker,someone is out of shape.
Jayco
I'll state an opinion that there ain't nobody here who's said 16 ounces of rifle weight is a hunt breaker so your whole premise is a fallacy, wrapped in a falsehood, covered by bullsh**.
Logcutter there is a theme to all your pictures. Horses, ATV's, Trucks. Some of us like to hike into the backcountry and just get away from all that and hunt. So to those of us that like to go that route weight does become an issue. You should give it a try.
Some make it sound like that..Hunt breaker is probably harsh but what the heck, when so many complain about rifle weight..First they make a .338/340 in any form and supposedly get it to 8 pounds loaded/slinged and scoped and say they have a problem with the recoil....Come on man...I wonder why.
If that same rifle weighed 9-10 lbs,maybe they could handle the recoil..What do you think Smoke Pole?How do you compare the recoil of the .300's/338's and 375's versus weight in the field,not the range.
Is the weight worth it in heavy recoilers.Okay Smoke...You don't hunt centerfire..Do you with Revolvers..
Would the added weight be a plus shooting 525 grains at 1300 fps or 425 grains at 1650 fps with big bad bears around?Would or could you hunt with a large revolver?
Here is one of my big bad Ideeho bears slapped down.
I was sitting at the saw shop reading the net on my dumb phone, waiting for them to open and read your comment about me lifting weights and your buddy..ending with "Just asking"
Why did you delete it?
Yes,I lift weights also.The bar alone weighs 45 lbs before the iron plates we add.This is all at my friends house and depending on getting firewood,I only do it 1-3 times a week....I do have a Weider set-up in the garage my boys and I also use...But I am a free weight guy at heart and use my hand held alot.
I actually had a minor heart attack some years ago doing 250 lbs on the 7th rep.Glad I had my buddy as a spotter..I never lift heavy by myself.I pretty much stick to 200 sometimes 225 with more reps now..Doctors orders.
By the way..That's a Kenworth not a Freightliner..
Jayco
So your not that in shape.
Would have some cardo conditioning helped your heart? Or sticking with less weight, as the doctor ordered?
That is scary stuff, hart conditions afield are nothing to mess with. They make them little necklaces containers to hold a couple nitro-pills you know?
It runs in the family and I thought I was immune doing the work I did and eating fairly well knowing.I am just glad it happened then with a strong friend at hand rather in the hills...
Most people don't even know they have a heart condition until it is to late.Here in Idaho we loose probably at least two a year to heart attacks while hunting.
Look at the athletes that just suddenly die from unknown heart conditions.It is happening more and more....A guy can be in great shape and still suffer heart attacks...
I can tell you even a Cardiologist ran injection of dye into your arteries for a stress test is not fool proof.Only going directly into your arteries will show signs of pending trouble 100%.
.I never have carried a pack of any kind,except the miltary,out in the woods.If I can't get it on my belt or in my pockets,I don't need it..But thats just my way not worrying about rifle weight but rifle used.
Haha, dying here! You are obviously not a hardcore hunter. I carry a modified frame pack. My first trip out, parts of that elk are coming with me. You can always tell on the internet who hunts elk out of hayfields, and who hunts them in elk country. Everytime I see a whole elk in the back of a truck, hanging in the shop, etc. I know what kind of hunter they are.
Smartass...Never hauled one out hole either but I sure have packed a ton on Elk quarters up and down the hills.I admit,I have hauled them out after packing them to Horses/Donkeys/Tote Goats./Yamaha 80 step thru's/Honda 90's/Yamaha 360 and 250 Enduro's and by foot, by the quarter, but never with a pack and don't forget my new favorite....The Lewis Chain Saw Winch.
By the time I get back with the first quarter,I have lots of help for the rest.No...I am not a back pack hunter but we do have a Kelty and some other brand pack and frame,but I never have used them,personally.
.I never have carried a pack of any kind,except the miltary,out in the woods.If I can't get it on my belt or in my pockets,I don't need it..But thats just my way not worrying about rifle weight but rifle used.
Haha, dying here! You are obviously not a hardcore hunter. I carry a modified frame pack. My first trip out, parts of that elk are coming with me. You can always tell on the internet who hunts elk out of hayfields, and who hunts them in elk country. Everytime I see a whole elk in the back of a truck, hanging in the shop, etc. I know what kind of hunter they are.
I dang sure wouldn't pass one up just because it was too easy to get to....
My first trip out, parts of that elk are coming with me.
A big +1 on that philosophy.
I'm always amazed at the people that dont carry with them a pack to take at least take some portion of meat out on the trip back to camp. I'm also amazed at the lengths people will go to get an elk out an ATV or use a chainsaw winch. I once saw a group of 6 healthy looking guys spend most of the day chainsaw winching an elk a quarter-mile to the road. Than the 6 guys hauled the elk to camp and still had to skin the critter after being drug all day in fairly warm early-fall temps. Heck, two guys in average condition could have been back in camp by noon, sipping a cold one, if they had just quartered it, loaded it on a pack, and went to walking.
I think a lot of people are afraid of or not familar with the concept of quartering or deboning. I've heard a lot of similar stories about 5 or six guys trying to drag an elk to camp. Just an observation, but that seems to be more common amongst the eastern hunters who are required to bring the animal out more or less whole to a check station. Shoot, it was only about 3 or 4 years ago that Nebraska began to allow hunters to bring in quartered elk. Before that they were expected to bring it out intact.
Logcutter there is a theme to all your pictures. Horses, ATV's, Trucks. Some of us like to hike into the backcountry and just get away from all that and hunt. So to those of us that like to go that route weight does become an issue. You should give it a try.
Got to love all the friendly smilies Logcutter is all of a sudden using. Remember he was "just having fun, don't get all bent out of shape."
Big rig truck pics? On an Elk forum? Hmmmm And did you see those big pistols? Whow!!!! Minor heart attack on the 7th rep of 250lbs!!!
Always funny when a deserving tit gets caught in the ringer.
Think you ought to invite him to the Warriors Dash.
We'll see what a hoot it is tomorrow! If you don't hear from me again you know what happened. I just want to finish the race. They have the warroir dash in his neck of the woods or close enough I am sure. Not to late for you to come Battue, Windham NY.
Fortunately I'm working. Whew!!!! Or I just may be dumb enough to give it a go. Checked the age groups and there are only a few of them above the middle 60s slogging that one out.
I'd finish or croak trying, but my time would be nothing to post.
Reason #47 why to hunt with a pack. Cause it has the back-strap baggie in it.....
A good question to ask a camp is if there in on the back-strap pool?
First elk down, offers a meal of back-strap, you dine if you join.
First out, the antlers and cape, and a meal of back-strap!
Cut the back-strap into a thick stakes, pepper them, stand them on end and between a couple washed blocks of fire wood, smash them.
In a well.seasoned castiron fry pan or dutch oven, fry some lardy bacon, or olive oil till its about to catch fire, you want the fat/oil hot! Season the fat/oil with some smashed garlic (same firewood) and stand back when you toss the straps in with sliced onion, and if you remembered, some sliced mushrooms(you can't beat portbello), flip repeat.
Black on the outside, red inthe middle, and it don't get any better!
Tell anyone how it sucks to be them if they didn't join the pool.
N�mero uno got slid down a hillside by me and two other guys & into the bed of an F250, thence to a shop with an electric hoist, where the skinning and butchering was leisurely accomplished with a cold frosty in hand. Very civilized.
N�mero dos was just me (and the yellowjackets, lol) getting him quartered and packed out.
N�mero dos was how every other elk I've been around the killing of was handled since we hunt wilderness areas with no roads.
My first elk was out on a big flat 3/4 of a mile from transportation. Dad and I gutted it, handed mom our rifles, and lugged the mother [bleep] whole for about a quarter mile before we decided someone was going to get hurt so we cut it in half for the other half mile.
Elk are not that bad. We used to have some wild hereford cows. I shot a 2 year old bull in the head with my '06 before realizing all I had was a knife. After gutting it out I managed to load it into the bed of the truck w/o any tools by myself. That was hard, worse than the elk maybe. There's nothin' like 1500-1800 pounds of dead thing flopping and shifting for sheer awkwardness.
I'd rather skin and quarter them for lugging and loading even if it means I have to wear the lacy panties.
You are a jackass and most likely a troll, you sound a lot like Swampass 700 with your hardass bullschit talk. Have you killed a dragon with your 20lb. rifle also and packed it out out of the mountains all by yourself? Stupid prick
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My left nut contains more gray matter than what you possess in your whole [bleep]' head XXXXXX. You are the dumbest, most ignorant, blind, retarded, inbred, white trash, moronic a$$hole I've come across on a website in a long time. Btw, I love M700s and many other rifles, but the way you talk about them makes me want beat you in your misshapen, waterhead skull with one you [bleep] dult.
You sound pretty grown up and intelligent and you call others trolls....
Jayco
That excerpt was after a long, retarded arguement with your brother Swampass 007, or it might be you, you share the same reasoning skills and logic, hmmm... (If you read most of my posts I'm usually trying to help someone with reloading, answering a question about rifles, sharing a hunting story, or asking my own question, not letting everyone know that I suffer from a small penis and Napoleon Syndrome by acting you're some kind of ass-kickin' mofo, btw, I highly doubt you're in better shape than the people you're giving schit to here, I seen the pic on your other thread with your fat ass, gut, and head behind that half rotten salmon, dikwart).
I seen the pic on your other thread with your fat ass, gut, and head behind that half rotten salmon
That was my son with the huge Salmon..Maybe you ought to meet him.He took State in wresting in the light heavy weight division and hasn't lost yet at 34.Them little boys like to wrestle..
No,He's just plain tough..I have seen him take down some big street fighting names..Once he has a hold of them,it's all over regardless of size.I guess his concrete contracting work as a job, keeps his testosterone up.
I may buy him a pink rifle but it has to be light.
My youngest, fought one MMA fight in Asotin Idaho at 265 lbs and won then wisely retired.All four of my boys like to play ball if need be infact my oldest(41) has only lost twice,once by a sucker punch walking away and the other he was to inebriated but took revenge on another day successfully.
Logcutter you are full of chit. First if your son (the wrestler) was so good and undefted wrestling against ranked wrestlers he would be wrestling on Team USA, he would have been a high school All American. Which tell me the year and I will gladly look up.
Fighting a MMA fight doesn't mean anything. What organization did he fight with and who was the fighter he fought and won against? If he has only lost two fights in his entire life he hasn't fought much, or maybe he is a small town bully?
Yeah, and I knife-fight grizzly naked and blindfolded, I work masonry myself, around these parts, the fat boys are always the first to get fired because they're already gassed halfway through the day.
Logcutter as to size. My good friend and Fellow Marine that was KIA in Iraq David Coullard wasn't a very big boy but I have seen him lay-out many of big guys that let their mouth out run their size! Google his name and see what you come up with.
I'm not going to play this game anymore..I do know this for the little mouths spouting off here,if any of them mouthed off to any of my kids,someone would get hurt...They don't back down and fight alot way more than I think they should, but they are over 21 and I don't bail them out.
First they make a .338/340 in any form and supposedly get it to 8 pounds loaded/slinged and scoped and say they have a problem with the recoil....Come on man...I wonder why.
If that same rifle weighed 9-10 lbs,maybe they could handle the recoil..What do you think Smoke Pole?How do you compare the recoil of the .300's/338's and 375's versus weight in the field,not the range.
Is the weight worth it in heavy recoilers.Okay Smoke...You don't hunt centerfire..Do you with Revolvers..
Would the added weight be a plus shooting 525 grains at 1300 fps or 425 grains at 1650 fps with big bad bears around?Would or could you hunt with a large revolver?
Well, now you're not only changing your tune (who said squat about heavy-recoiling cartridges chambered in light rifles?) you're also moving into hypothetical dumb-ass territory.
First it was "guys who can't carry a 9-lb. rifle aren't in shape" and now it's "guys who chamber .375's in light rifles can't handle the recoil." And heavy revolvers. Sheesh.
You can't even keep your own story straight.
And for the what, third, fourth time, I DO hunt with centerfires. Just not elk. You want I should go post on the deer forum?
I have a .300 Wby., .338WM, a .375 Ruger, and a .358 WSM if you wanna talk recoilers. None are what I'd consider "light rifles," although the Kimber .338 gets close, and the .358 is pushing it. Both'll kick, but MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE for a rifle I'll carry around in the mountains is lighter weight for the 99.999% of the time I'll be carrying it vs. worrying about recoil for the 0.001% of time the rifle will be in recoil. YMMV, as a matter of fact, I hope the hell it does.
For light rifles I use a 7-08 (6.5lb.) and a 7-WSM (7.5 lb.). That about covers anything I hunt.
This is horrible.I have a special place in my heart for Smoke Pole...The man loves to argue and doesn't cross the line often and offers examples and proof of his endeavors unlike some trolls that only want to argue and put down.
That's what it is all about rather than getting down in the dirt calling names and not offering any evidence of even being an outdoors man/hunter rather wanting to act like a troll just spitting out high school dribble.
So Smoke..I really don't care how much a rifle weighs,I do care how it handles/comes to my pull for quick shot and of course,accuracy.I don't have or shoot wild cats or custom rifles.The closest thing to a custom is my pre-'64 270 Winchester thats weighs in naked over 8lbs but I dress it and the weight I could care less about,because that puppy fits me as well as any rifle I own.
To end this...I really don't care what a rifle weighs if I like it and it fits me and get this...I don't publically complain about 16 ounces of anything bothering me..Chit...A camera weighs how much on average and I don't own one.
How many items in a guys pack does he use on every trip?I take what I need and only that and I think after over 50 years of hunting Elk,I have an idea what I need and don't need.....
This is horrible.I have a special place in my heart for Smoke Pole...The man loves to argue and doesn't cross the line often and offers examples and proof of his endeavors unlike some trolls that only want to argue and put down.
That's what it is all about rather than getting down in the dirt calling names and not offering any evidence of even being an outdoors man/hunter rather wanting to act like a troll just spitting out high school dribble.
So Smoke..I really don't care how much a rifle weighs,I do care how it handles/comes to my pull for quick shot and of course,accuracy.I don't have or shoot wild cats or custom rifles.The closest thing to a custom is my pre-'64 270 Winchester thats weighs in naked over 8lbs but I dress it and the weight I could care less about,because that puppy fits me as well as any rifle I own.
To end this...I really don't care what a rifle weighs if I like it and it fits me and get this...I don't publically complain about 16 ounces of anything bothering me..Chit...A camera weighs how much on average and I don't own one.
How many items in a guys pack does he use on every trip?I take what I need and only that and I think after over 50 years of hunting Elk,I have an idea what I need and don't need.....
Jayco
Most seen it from the start that you were basing everything on needing proof. That comes under the heading of a 'who's is bigger' thread, and usually end in making the accuser end up with the shortened stick.
This is an internet forum, adding credibility has always been optional. Since the beginning of 'campfires' really.
But it brings a point I would like to make, if I may?
The nature of the outdoors, the lure of the wild is best enjoyed with out the competition you seem to want to insist on.
Having thought about this early in the thread, just sharing it now. Just kids in the late 70's early 80's all us hunter friends would put $5.00 in a big-buck pool. Every year someone from the same camp would win.
What a lesson learned the year that camp was busted for jack-lighting deer! A practice they been using for years, taking the money every year.
I got my 5-bucks back with the realization the the real goal is enjoying the hunt.
I suppose it's asking too much to just agree to disagree or to have differing viewpoints but still discuss things civilly. It is unfortunate when people get personal with each other over really nothing at all.
This is horrible.I have a special place in my heart for Smoke Pole...The man loves to argue and doesn't cross the line often and offers examples and proof of his endeavors unlike some trolls that only want to argue and put down.
That's what it is all about rather than getting down in the dirt calling names and not offering any evidence of even being an outdoors man/hunter rather wanting to act like a troll just spitting out high school dribble.
So Smoke..I really don't care how much a rifle weighs,I do care how it handles/comes to my pull for quick shot and of course,accuracy.I don't have or shoot wild cats or custom rifles.The closest thing to a custom is my pre-'64 270 Winchester thats weighs in naked over 8lbs but I dress it and the weight I could care less about,because that puppy fits me as well as any rifle I own.
To end this...I really don't care what a rifle weighs if I like it and it fits me and get this...I don't publically complain about 16 ounces of anything bothering me..Chit...A camera weighs how much on average and I don't own one.
How many items in a guys pack does he use on every trip?I take what I need and only that and I think after over 50 years of hunting Elk,I have an idea what I need and don't need.....
Jayco
I feel that you boast and antagonize a bit too much. Maybe you could try getting along with others instead of calling them out?
That doesn't make any sense. If there'd been anyone there to take pictures I wouldn't have been trying to load that stupid bovine into the truck *by myself*, would I? And if there had been someone else there, and they'd been taking pictures instead of pitching in to get the work done, I'd have been pretty pissed.
That doesn't make any sense. If there'd been anyone there to take pictures I wouldn't have been trying to load that stupid bovine into the truck *by myself*, would I? And if there had been someone else there, and they'd been taking pictures instead of pitching in to get the work done, I'd have been pretty pissed.
Perhaps it was the 'lacy panties' that he was asking for a pic of.
I have blackbelts in 2 styles of martial arts and trained extensively in boxing and kickboxing. I know and have trained with a number of very tough and very accomplished fighters. One thing I have noticed is that the toughest, baddest, and most physically capable guys are the ones that don't go around saying how tough they are. In my experience, the guys that say how tough they are are the first ones to get their ass handed to them.
You are a passive-aggressive old prick that has a lot of self-esteem issues. You bring absolutely nothing to the Campfire. Just my opinion.
Go back and quote me where I said I was tough...Please quote me where I said I was tough..I said my boys are,and they are..
Your the one posting how tough you are,not me.
Since we are on an elk hunting forum,give us a quick run down on your elk hunting experiences and how rifle weight effects you hunting Elk.Is 16 ounces of rifle weight a determining factor in you choosing a firearm to hunt with.
I will bet atleast 75% of the whiners about rifle weight,have never been in the military where they make men out of boys.Benning sure changed my way of life at 17.
I mean were not talking tons of weight,just 16 ounces and it breaks a hunt to some!!!!Sad....
Yet your in shape?
Do you think weight or boot choice matters to these guys that are in shape?
Jayco
Weight of gear matters so much to these guys that millions and millions of your taxpayer dollars just to shave fractions of ounces from each little piece of gear. Lots of folks have served the armed forces. I thought boot camp was superfun. You didn't learn much. http://www.soldiermod.com/volume-5/mers.html
Really...How far have you packed an M-1 at 9.5 lbs as Military Issue?
I learned alot,it seems you didn't..If you want to talk trash,take it somewhere else,if you want to talk elk hunting,let's talk.
You tell me how 16 ounces of rifle/scope/sling weight effects you at the end of the day compared to what you take along with it on your back or around your neck and which is more important,stuff you don't need or your rifle?.
I looked up logcutter on urban dictionary. Closest I could find was logsplitter. My children refer to them as special needs..
You apparently have no clue about logging..A logcutter is a person whom falls tree's/limbs them and cut's them to length as he goes,one tree at a time, leaving only logs ready to be skidded and loaded,not tree length un-limbed tree's as some do.
It was more work but more money than the way alot of them do it now.
Really...How far have you packed an M-1 at 9.5 lbs as Military Issue?
I learned alot,it seems you didn't..If you want to talk trash,take it somewhere else,if you want to talk elk hunting,let's talk.
You tell me how 16 ounces of rifle/scope/sling weight effects you at the end of the day compared to what you take along with it on your back or around your neck.
Jayco
I couldn't teach you how to hunt elk, mostly because you're old and dumb. If you can't remember that NOBODY in boot camp wanted to carry the heaviest stuff, you've killed a lot of brain cells since then - that is if you ever had any. At the end of the day, when you are wiped out from doing more than sitting in a saddle, lightening your load makes a difference. It's why there's a lot of money being dumped into shaving the weight from military equipment.
For what it's worth, I've carried an M60 machine gun with ammo, and a full ruck for 12 miles one day, which was absolute child's play to the stuff I've encountered while hunting elk and other things..
I looked up logcutter on urban dictionary. Closest I could find was logsplitter. My children refer to them as special needs..
You apparently have no clue about logging..A logcutter is a person whom falls tree's/limbs them and cut's them to length as he goes,one tree at a time, leaving only logs ready to be skidded and loaded,not tree length un-limbed tree's as some do.
It was more work but more money than the way alot of them do it now.
Jayco
Awesome funny. www.urbandictionary.com search on logsplitter. You're the butt of a joke you don't understand which is nothing new.
I think the M60 with a can of belted ammo is over 30lbs.. could be wrong, but I do remember it wasn't something I'd want to carry elk hunting. Though it might be fun to set up on a hillside with one and get the orange glow going.
I have an 9lb rifle I use hunting elk, as well as a 7lb rifle that I sometimes use. Any other questions?
Once again, the military is spending millions on shaving fractions of ounces off small components of gear(including rifles) to make the overall weight on the soldier less. Even if you're in shape, the weight matters.
If you can't provide me with your reasons that 16 ounces in rifle weight makes such a difference in your hunt,your just babbling and calling names out of frustration,unlike a man..Back it up or give it up...
Is a new Winchester Mod 70 Super Grade to heavy for you to hunt with weighing in naked over 8 pounds?
logsplitter, can't you read? I answered your questions.
For what it's worth, 16 ounces won't make a damn difference in your elk hunt. But again, your hunts and mine are probably different. Mine usually end with a great big dead elk and a pile of meat and antlers that have to come out on your back.
I don' thave dog in this pissin contest and I'm old and dumb.Somehow I manage to kill an elk every year.
If I jump in a stream I might weigh 150lbs and I'm hard pressed to make 5 ft,5 inches.
That being said,I have carried an M1 Garand elk hunting just for [bleep] and grins a and I have carried a 13 lb 1886 45-70 with which I killed two bulls with. I do ride to my hunting area,but don't do all this healthy work out stuff except what labor I do around my place.
I quit the 13 lb 1886 because I could not keep my saddle straight without a big counter balance.
I have sheep hunted and goat hunted with std weight model 70's , scoped that probably weighed 9 lbs total and I was succesful in killing each animal.
I don't ever remember making a decision on which gun I took hunting based on it's weight.
I'm sure my old TC Hawkin weighs in about 10 lbs and it has killd a few elk.
Nothing wrong with selecting light weight gear. I go thru my day pack after about three days and take out the foolish stuff I really don't need to reduce weight,but if some one is worried about another lb of rifle weight, they have more problems that that.
Where did I whine about anything? Why is the military spending millions on lightening the weights of gear including guns? Think you can (could have ever)hang with me in the mtns?
I go thru my day pack after about three days and take out the foolish stuff I really don't need to reduce weight,but if some one is worried about another lb of rifle weight, they have more problems that that.
Exactly...Everyone thinks they need a 50# pack on there back full of non essentials,for what,I ask..You don't..If you leave one 16 ounce chocolate or granola bar at home,theres 16 ounces alone....
Just look at the gear list on this forum...Holy cow and 16 ounces in rifle weight is a breaker.
But again, your hunts and mine are probably different. Mine usually end with a great big dead elk and a pile of meat and antlers that have to come out on your back.
Greenhorn,
He doesn't understand your kind of hunting.
But if you want to talk road hunting from a semi(I'm sorry, Kenworth)......then Logsplitter is your man.
Think you can (could have ever)hang with me in the mtns?
OMG..I made my living running up and down mountains 6-7 days a week..I never came home one day without scratches/brooze's and ripped clothes in extremely steep mountains...
I don't do to bad now for my age but then again I sell firewood for a living..I cut and hauled 3 cords yesterday...What did you do yesterday?
Think you can (could have ever)hang with me in the mtns?
OMG..I made my living running up and down mountains 6-7 days a week..I never came home one day without scratches/brooze's and ripped clothes in extremely steep mountains...
I don't do to bad now for my age but then again I sell firewood for a living..I cut and hauled 3 cords yesterday...What did you do yesterday?
I carry a daypack for the what if's might happen.Mine don't weight no 50# and it's more than 10#.My rifles weight anywhere from 6.5lbs to a full 13+#.Dose 16 oz. make or break my hunt no not realy,but if I can shave a few ounces on my stuff and my mid section then I'm going to doit.
Yesterday I sat on my ass drinking beer. Pretty sure I could do that for a few years, while hibernating in a cave, step out, and leave you in a whimpering fetal position while hunting elk.
Definition of tough is right here, one of the toughest humans I've heard of. Last weekend, bridger ridge run.. 68 years old, fell in the first 3 miles and busted her wrist. Finished it in 6hrs and 10 minutes, leaving a 17 mile blood trail. Made an appearance at the awards ceremony before heading to the ER. That's only part of what makes this person tough. Logsplitter, go the hell back into your trailer. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ski_nordic/6044242066/in/set-72157627311362039/
While you were sitting on you azz drinking beer.....
I was here prior to getting wood.
And walked in with two of my sons to here.
I never ever said I was tough...I just do it or try my damdest but I never whine..It was really clear to me yesterday after just 2 cords of wood,I cannot keep up with my 34 and 35 year old sons, but we did get 3 cords and I still have respect from my kids,even at my age...
Owe yeah..That's really bad..Try pulling a cable an inch thick with a set of tongs on it through the brush in way steeper country than that..It's called a Linkbelt 88 Jammer with 750 feet of line on it without a haul back.
I rest my case tough guy.
This is for city boys trying to get into shape and complaining about rifle weight.
Ever done this,Greenhorn?..I have and it isn't easy...You just keep using the gym and I will just keep using the mountains and chainsaws to keep in shape.
Why would the marines want lighter gear, even ammo? Why don't they just get tougher guys, like LogSplitter and his kids? Weird, what a waste of taxpayer money.
LogSplitter , Could you please show us some 50 year old pictures of ranghorns strapped onto a vehicle? I need to learn something new about elk hunting.
This is the new all volunteer armed forces where women are going to end up in combat...Equal opportunities and easier to pass for the light weights,basic isn't even close to what it was in the 60's...Women are going to be in the Seals sometime soon...Go figure...
My wifes best friend was a smoke jumper.If you know anything about firefighting,it's tough to pass that in Missoula.Few can do it..
Can she do what the men that passed the course can in a life death situation....NOT..And my wife was an elete firefighter with the helli shot crew out of Warren Idaho.
LogSplitter, what's your point? I know women smokejumpers. I know women in the armed forces as well. However, I don't know any men or women as dumb as you.
Even if you think you are in shape, soreness and muscle aches happen to all middle aged adults. Focus on hydration before, during, and after the hunt. Stretch morning and evening. Shoot whatever rifle makes you happy. Carry only what you need.
I've been a coach for 25 years and at the end of the first week of pracice all of our high school kids are sore even though most are in good shape coming into camp. It is not a normal daily activity for most adults to billygoat up and down buttes wearing a pack while spending a night in a cold tent. Train, hydrate, and stetch and you will feel better towards the end of the hunt regardless of your choice of gear.
I guess you chose the right handle....Greenhorn....Get a few more years under your belt,then talk to me without the insults and vulgar remarks,kinda like a man talking to a man...Ever heard of that little fella?
This is the new all volunteer armed forces where women are going to end up in combat...Equal opportunities and easier to pass for the light weights,basic isn't even close to what it was in the 60's...Women are going to be in the Seals sometime soon...Go figure...
Jayco
LogSplitter When you were in the service did you earn any awards? Did you get an education? What was your MOS? Did you serve in combat? Ever been defeated by a woman in any sort of competition or a test? I'll answer mine first so you can pick on me, instead of answering.. Y,Y,19D,N,Y
Even if you think you are in shape, soreness and muscle aches happen to all middle aged adults. Focus on hydration before, during, and after the hunt. Stretch morning and evening. Shoot whatever rifle makes you happy. Carry only what you need.
I've been a coach for 25 years and at the end of the first week of pracice all of our high school kids are sore even though most are in good shape coming into camp. It is not a normal daily activity for most adults to billygoat up and down buttes wearing a pack while spending a night in a cold tent. Train, hydrate, and stetch and you will feel better towards the end of the hunt regardless of your choice of gear.
I spent over 1 year at Fort Benning Georgia starting in 1966 before being sent to a far away place.That's where my "army" story started and ends, and has since then,never to be talked about again(especially on the net) or I would be in jail.....
But I do have two sets of dog tags from two services..One the Army(RA) and the other the Air National Guard(NG) out of Boise Idaho.
You have nothing on me,young pup...I payed my dues..
Splitter I am still waiting on the year your tough and undefeated son was an all american and from what high school? I looked around the years he should have graduated and nothing! But then again seeing it is your son he may not have graduated or maybe he finally graduated this year. Not bad for a 34 year old boy from you.
You can PM me whatever the question was and I will answer it...The drunks are showing up on the Elk hunting channel and I refuse to talk to people that have never got Elk and are nasty mouthed on the net,in person would be different.
No facts about elk hunting,just BS and being a drunk bugger with balls on the net.
This thread's getting superawesome! Turdsplitter, let's see some elk pictures from recent! Were you in the service before the don't ask don't tell days?
That's "Know" you moron. I hope your kids spent a little more time in the library than you..
I know they aren't spending it in front of a calculator. if they're helping you, minus fuel, licenses and equipment costs, divided by your time, you boys are making $4 an hour.
Back in the good ol days.. 2011. Both killed with my 9lb rilfe. The guy sucking wind packing out his, runs 100mile mtn races. The other elk is mine and my rifle. Neither of us has ever cornholed a pony though.
Splitter my first elk hunt was in 1987. It was an archery hunt and I did not kill an elk. I had a Spike at about 23 yards but was trying to take a bigger Bull. My second hunt was in 1989 again I did not kill an elk. Had a nice 6X6 about 70 yards from me that I just couldn't get to come closer and I couldn't get to him. 1992 was my first elk 5X6 with bow at 18 yards. 1995 6X6 again with bow. Last one was 2009 35 yards bow 5X4.
So there you go I have answered every question you have ask me. So now answer me, when was your son that was undefeat an All American? That is right your full of chit. I know this because I wrestled and I also was a high school wrestling coach. I'll give you a little clue to life that you really need. You fight and sooner or later you get beat, I don't care who you are or how bad you think you are. I went down the road of being a fighter and I am not proud of it at all. I had a chip on my shoulder could blame my father for that but I won't, I'll just say I was immature and had issues I needed to deal with. Not bragging but I did some damage to more then a few guys. I also had my azz handed to me more than a few times. No matter how tough you are or think you are fighting is stupid! Not talking sanctioned fighting here. So as I said before your son may have never been beat in a fight but if that is the case then he is nothing more then a small town bully.
What the F does having dog tags prove? You can have Dog tags made at the Mall.
Splitter what was your MOS???? I told you mine but I know you are Army so have no idea. So in layman terms CH53 mechanic/crew chief. Not much in the Marine Corps inventory we can't pick up and fly to who needs it.
Glad I had my 7.5 pound rifle along to make packing out these 26 pounders a lot easier. BTW, I left the meat....because it was still running around on four legs...he should be even bigger this fall.
Hey, has a woman ever outdone you? What was your MOS? Elk pictures from recent? Even been rewarded for your service? Ever have a giant tree fall on your head and survive to live an abnormal life in spite of serious brain injury?
By the way, a picture of dog tags doesn't prove squat.
Logsplitter STILL waiting!!!!! I will take that as a surrender.
Come find out stud but I ain't paying for your ride from NY.If my son looses,I will pay the ride back.
The state wrestling records don't go back that far.
Jayco
Just a little farther east there splitter, but your close. Oh yes the records do go back that far and I have access to them so come on mouth. The truth is your son isn't half as good as you think he is or was.
The truth is your son isn't half as good as you think he is or was.
Try it mouth...Lets see..Put up or shut up.I have $100 dollars saying he can take you...Think I want to see my son hurt..Not...He is that good wrestling and never talks about it......Took down some of the heaviest hitters in Valley County....
I am done with this BS..PM me or shut up with the chest pounding on the net.
Ok what do you want me to PM you about? I pretty much made it clear here you are full of chit. I don't wrestle anymore but do still helpout with a local high school team. I might be out there next spring whitewater kayaking. If I go I will bring my wrestling gear and look you up. But now lets get back to the facts. According to you he won states, what year? If he was undefeated in ID he would have made All American as you do live in a strong wrestling state. However the truth is he didn't go undefeated and you and I both know that.
Ok what do you want me to PM you about? I pretty much made it clear here you are full of chit. I don't wrestle anymore but do still helpout with a local high school team. I might be out there next spring whitewater kayaking. If I go I will bring my wrestling gear and look you up. But now lets get back to the facts. According to you he won states, what year? If he was undefeated in ID he would have made All American as you do live in a strong wrestling state. However the truth is he didn't go undefeated and you and I both know that.
Wrestling gear..What kind of fool are you...
Have you ever been in a fist fight????????????????????????????????
you said your son was a undefeated wrestler. Like I said earlier I hung up the fighting long ago. I think I might be able to take care of myself if backed into a corner.
I am not tough yet my nose is unbroken to date and been there done that.
Our wedding included my wifes biker brother and some friends..It was a hoot..A few loggers drunked up and a few bikers...I had a 44 Mag pulled on me from a biker with a vest and I didn't notice.
Exbiogist deleted his post saying he has had his nose broken twice..Chit happens...Once in a fight where he took a boot to the noggin and the other in a fall..
We all learn by our mistakes..Try mouthing off in a logger/biker bar at 10pm on a Friday night...It is a hoot if you can somehow stay out of it..It usually does not work that way.
Your a stud Montana but refuse to grab the bull by the horn and prove your fantasies.....I have $100 dollars if you win and I wouldn't post it if I didn't mean it........
I am no stud. I have a kid that wrestles for the school I help out with. He is 195 and can toss me around. He won states and New Englands. Might be All American. Is being heavily recruited we'll see where he decides to go to college.
I have been in more then my fair share of biker bars, logger bars, and the likes. I never said I was stupid. I will say I always had the upper hand as I don't drink. Best beat down I ever had was right outside the triangle bar in Juneau AK, he went to Lemon Creek for that. I was 17 he was 30ish nothing broken on me but I did have a fat lip and black eye. He had a broken jaw and got to spend quality time in Lemon Creek.
Best fight I ever saw was in Riggins Idaho over the Riggins Rodeo...One was a 6'2" proven fist fighter in McCall,the other was a 5'10' tough guy fighting all the time at home with an attitude.Both from the same city but stayed away from each other.
They fought fair in the street(Highway 95) outside the bar.As one dropped the other waited for an I quit..Everything was a fair fight..Really rare but the respect between two tough guys kept them from getting down and dirty.
Speed versus brawn equaled out on this one.A draw and they bought beers for all.
I just want to say thanks to all. I was feeling a little rough around the edges and ten pages of this has my laughing again.
Im still trying to figure out how state or school records are not still around when someone is only 35. Heck I can get on the net and find links to highschool football stuff from my games in 1988..nothing is to old to not be on the net.
Apparently folks consider someone a 'wuss' for taking 2 pounds of their rifle or say silly [bleep] like loose 5 pounds from your waist. Tell you what, add 5 pounds to your boots and let me know how that plays out.
I ran around the hills for 40 years with corked boots,not to mention the saw/axe and wedges attached to my belt....Don't talk to me about 2 fricken pounds and being in shape.
Your either are or your not,in shape...Rifle weight should not even be in the scenario.
Jayco
When your frikkin back gets like some of ours, you'll pee your panties and cry like a baby.
Lucky! Can't wait to hear the stories about loggie's grandmother breaking her coccyx in an ATV accident. We've already heard about Kip training to be a cage fighter...
Lucky! Can't wait to hear the stories about loggie's grandmother breaking her coccyx cocksuck in an ATV accident. We've already heard about Kip training to be a cage fighter...
LMAO. The only thing stupider than a guy offering to fight on the internet would be the other guy agreeing to......
Maybe the fight card got changed when I wasn't looking. I thought it was actually one guy pimpin' out his own son to fight another guy on the Internet, with a $100 side-bet on the outcome, no less.
I think your definition of "pack" is different. He didn't claim to be carrying a full combat load, just "my pack"
i want mine to have about 15 helium ballons
Great idea! If you see a guy with some balloons tied to his Kodiak this year.......
I didn't read this whole thing, but I'd say that carrying a heavy rifle is better exercise for building muscle. Light rifles are for more repetition. Sometimes I pull my truck up the mountain road just to get warmed up for the hunt.
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
That is correct bluegillman, rifle weight and packin' out meat are not the real test in an emergency situation, we were pushing out a bowl to try and run something over an old gentleman that had left and set up an hour earlier. I saw him down and poppin nitro pills, I hollered and we all ran up to where he was, I handed my rifle to one of the other guys, loaded the old man up on my back and headed out of the timber down the mountain with him while his son was calling 911. We reached the trailhead and met a life flight whirly bird that took him to the hospital in Grand Junction, he had 3 stints installed and survived , packin' a 175 lb. man out in a hurry while running bent over frontwards is a hell of a chore, and it didnt hit me till the copter was hummin' off in the distance, I fell over and nearly had to call them back to get me to
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
That is correct bluegillman, rifle weight and packin' out meat are not the real test in an emergency situation, we were pushing out a bowl to try and run something over an old gentleman that had left and set up an hour earlier. I saw him down and poppin nitro pills, I hollered and we all ran up to where he was, I handed my rifle to one of the other guys, loaded the old man up on my back and headed out of the timber down the mountain with him while his son was calling 911. We reached the trailhead and met a life flight whirly bird that took him to the hospital in Grand Junction, he had 3 stints installed and survived , packin' a 175 lb. man out in a hurry while running bent over frontwards is a hell of a chore, and it didnt hit me till the copter was hummin' off in the distance, I fell over and nearly had to call them back to get me to
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
just because i can pack a 9#+ rifle up the mountain doesn't mean i'm going to when i have a Kimber Montana in the safe...
just like i don't pack a handgun when i will have a rifle, i don't pack a whole box of ammo to fill one tag, and i don't pack a cell phone into an area with no cell service...
Don't worry GW I carry one to,always figured if my rifle gets knocked away and I wake up in a bloody mess with feces filled shorts I'm not going to stumble around looking for my rifle,I would just start truck'in back. But a handgun don't slow me down or my rifles or my pack or my boots or my clothes or all the junk us gear heads have to have. BBJ
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
That is correct bluegillman, rifle weight and packin' out meat are not the real test in an emergency situation, we were pushing out a bowl to try and run something over an old gentleman that had left and set up an hour earlier. I saw him down and poppin nitro pills, I hollered and we all ran up to where he was, I handed my rifle to one of the other guys, loaded the old man up on my back and headed out of the timber down the mountain with him while his son was calling 911. We reached the trailhead and met a life flight whirly bird that took him to the hospital in Grand Junction, he had 3 stints installed and survived , packin' a 175 lb. man out in a hurry while running bent over frontwards is a hell of a chore, and it didnt hit me till the copter was hummin' off in the distance, I fell over and nearly had to call them back to get me to
Gunner
Your a Good man Gunner ..someone raised you right
Y Thanks Oldelkhunter, quite a bit of that right raisin' came from the fast end of a keen switch .
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
Did he just say this?
[bleep], if anything, this thread is great at drawing out the resident gapers around here.
Just to say something my dad moved to Montana in the early 50's.His grampa sent him here with a old 30-06 from WWII non-spotarized,with peep and clip mag.He climbed up and down the kootnie valley for years with that gun.In 1960 something my mom scrounged enough money and bought him a Winchester fwt '06 from the little gas/sport shop in Troy,MT.That old WWII rifle hit the back of the closet so fast that it's still there. Maybe it was just a new gun,but I know it's HEAVY!!! BTW my father is 73 yo this year and he drew his 1st either sex bull tag and that Fwt is going to put one more in the freezer. BBJ
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
Believe it or not, you'll probably get old enough to realize just how ridiculous this post is. Adding two pounds to say...5,000 steps in a day's hunting has added up to 10,000 pounds of lifting.
When it comes time to pack out the meat, that 10,000 pounds has made a real difference.
The way I look at it, when I'm packing meat (and I plan to every time out) I don't want another 2 lbs. of anything that doesn't add value. Hell, a liter of water weighs 2.2 lbs.; give me a 6 1/2 lb. rifle and an extra liter of water for the trip out any day.
Come to think of it, that's what my muzzleloader weighs, and we're going for a little hike in the mountains in about 2 weeks. And that's what my 7-08 weighs, we'll be hitting the high country later on during deer season.
I'm pretty sure my chances of packing meat have nothing to do with the weight of my rifle and everything to do with how I hunt and whether the shot is true.
But there is some truth to bluegillman's contention, it's true that I have a zero chance of packing out an elk quarter. I gave up packing elk bones years ago, those suckers are heavy. If that makes me a wimp, so be it.
I gave up packing elk bones years ago, those suckers are heavy. If that makes me a wimp, so be it.
I must be a real wimp then, Ive taken to carrying an extra three ounces in my pack in the form of a boning knife...for antelope that are too far from the road.....
You know what's real nice, on those previous F150 models, there was a great rifle rest between the mirror and the A-pillar that was just perfect for road hunting from the passenger seat if you get your driver to align the truck for you.
First of all,the normal Joe who is not an Internet rifle loony just goes down and buys a rifle,say a Ruger 77 as an example in say 30-06.
Rifle weight...7.5 lbs 3-9 Leupold scope and bases over 1 lb. Add rifle sling like a 1" Montana with studs and 5 rounds of ammo and that guy has over a 9lb rifle,anyway you want to look at it and he isn't whining about it..
There are tons and tons of hunters out there that do not reload/do not check there rifle weight or really care and shoot factory ammunition.Those that choose to carry a pistol in predator country,good for them and I may this year.Nothing wrong at all with that and besides,it's know one else's business is it how anyone else chooses to hunt as long as there not whining about it?
Ever here your dad or grandpa whine about rifle weight carrying the heavier older rifles wearing the much heavier boots and gear..I never did once.Never heard 'em whine once about elk quarters either or just throwing a deer over there shoulders and packing it out.
For those that knock hunting via horseback...I laugh..Guys spend thousands to be packed back in by outfitters and are danged glad they have horses way back in with an elk down where they can't even get the horses to and someone has to pack "elk quarters" to the horses.
But whining about 16 ounces of rifle weight is showing that person is not really in shape.That same person may shoot a 4-point instead of a 6-point just because of horn weight to pack out or a forked horn if he is really tuckered out.
Come on get serious..16 ounces of rifle weight isn't squat...
Add rifle sling like a 1" Montana with studs and 5 rounds of ammo and that guy has over a 9lb rifle,anyway you want to look at it and he isn't whining about it..
.....Nothing wrong at all with that and besides,it's know one else's business is it how anyone else chooses to hunt as long as there not whining about it?
See, this is the part you just don't seem to grasp--there ain't no one here "whining" about rifle weight.
You're the only one whining, so why don't you take your own advice: "it's know one else's business is it how anyone else chooses to hunt..."
Excuse me..This hole thread is full of those defending rifle weight and there choices and I started this based on someones complaining about rifle weight.We have those saying a 9lb rifle is to heavy to swing out the window and those that say 32 ounces in rifle weight is 10,000 pounds in so many steps......
Then there is the reference to packing a pistol up the mountain elk hunting..I say,if he can do it,why not.
A 9 lb rifle is a standard unmodified rifle which the vast majority of hunters use...
Thanks to logsplitter I can sleep well at night knowing there's some tough guys still around. Real men. A man's man. Carry's heavy stuff around and gets his elk. None of this sissie internet stuff. He's been there and done that, just like Ray.
uh no....It is full of those that don't agree with others opinions getting jumped on like...
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
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Believe it or not, you'll probably get old enough to realize just how ridiculous this post is. Adding two pounds to say...5,000 steps in a day's hunting has added up to 10,000 pounds of lifting
Which sounds more ridiculous to you.That's 5,000 pounds of lifting for 16 ounces.
Hunting on the net is just to danged hard if you listened to all the BS....Maybe we all should take up knitting instead.
While this thread is really about you guys having fun busting balls from both sides I carry a heavy gun because I am out of shape and a wuss.
An extra 16 ozs is not much when you are carrying it but it can make a world of difference when you need to make a difficult shot.
My goto rifles are 10.5 lbs unloaded and they have been to some pretty nasty places (for me) and I did not enjoy carrying them but I do like the extra reach.
While this thread is really about you guys having fun busting balls from both sides I carry a heavy gun because I am out of shape and a wuss.
An extra 16 ozs is not much when you are carrying it but it can make a world of difference when you need to make a difficult shot.
My goto rifles are 10.5 lbs unloaded and they have been to some pretty nasty places (for me) and I did not enjoy carrying them but I do like the extra reach.
I thought it was because you get out of the truck, walk 10 yards, throw your shooting mat down and take that 1000 yard shot
I thought it was because you get out of the truck, walk 10 yards, throw your shooting mat down and take that 1000 yard shot
Well there's always that too.
Thats a great pic John! Side note, I had my oldest G-son (turned 12 yesterday) watching one of your vids he is big time jacked to stretch it out a bit...
This pic I've put up b4 and then some but this is one taken with my main go to rig. 700/7Mashburn Super, Brown stock, 4.5 wt Schneider cut to 25", Jewell, 4-14 Leo w/Premier dotz to 700. Not sure what it weighs (spose a bit over 9 all up, closer to 9.5 with my bipod) and don't really care as it's the one I gravitate to whenever the games on the line.
Now if we could just cajole Greenie into putting up some pics of bulls taken with his lightweight 300 RUM...grin (that dudes taken some super bulls!!)
i guess i just don't understand why any sporting rifle should weigh 9#+ all up...
my .375 Ultra
That's got to leave a mark!
I'm sure it has a break as big as the Big Sky.
no brake. shooting it from the bench does take some concentration, but it isn't suicidal. my load of 260 gr. AB over 90 gr. RE17 runs ~2930 fps and somewhere around 60K psi. basically it delivers .270 ballistics with twice the bullet weight.
this rifle was bought specifically because i have a M70 in .375 AI that i really like everything about except the weight, 9.5#.
I can probably take 8 ounces off the No. 1, but not that "critical" 16 ounces!
Being as how Eileen and I have 4 elk tags this year, I'm thinking about hunting both with some sort of lightweight (maybe my .257 Weatherby NULA) and my 1930's Pachmayr custom Springfield .35 Whelen, which weighs 9 pounds empty with the 2-1/2x Lyman Alaskan in Griffin & Howe mounts.
Dunno how I'm gonna haul it up the mountain, but have to figure out a way, since Eileen DEFINITELY isn't going to carry it for me! I don't think she owns a rifle over 6-1/2 pounds--and hasn't missed an animal because the rifle is "too light" for several years.
This pic I've put up b4 and then some but this is one taken with my main go to rig. 700/7Mashburn Super, Brown stock, 4.5 wt Schneider cut to 25", Jewell, 4-14 Leo w/Premier dotz to 700. Not sure what it weighs (spose a bit over 9 all up, closer to 9.5 with my bipod) and don't really care as it's the one I gravitate to whenever the games on the line.
Now if we could just cajole Greenie into putting up some pics of bulls taken with his lightweight 300 RUM...grin (that dudes taken some super bulls!!)
Dober
I'm in the Dober Camp. Id rather lug a little bit extra weight up the hill and have a rock solid rig when a bulls in the scope. My go to rig is a Model 70 classic 300 ultra w Rock #3, Jewell, Zeiss 4.5-14 RZ-800 in Talley LW's and a MT sling. Rig goes just over 8 all up. Of course I hauled a wood stocked Remington 700 classic in 7mm Weatherby on a Dall sheep hunt. When time came to send lead down range the gun wasn't dancing around...
GreenHorn, lets see some pics of that 300 Ultra and those dink bulls you shoot......LOL. BTW Your ID named after the Greenhorn range?
Dunno how old you are, but I do tend to prefer lighter rifles partly because when I started elk hunting there weren't many in open country--at least in my part of Montana.
Most of the hunting was in "black timber," with shots at less than 100 yards--and often quick. Instead of packing a rifle over a shoulder and then shooting across several hundred yards, the typical shot was 50-100 yards--and often it had to be quick. A light rifle didn't matter much in raising it to shoot, but it did when having it on your hands for an hour or more while searching the lodgepole--instead of slung over your shoulder, which was always a temptation with a heavy rifle after an hour or so.
John, I'm 34 and when I packed that 7mm on a sheep hunt I was 15. My comments on what my preference is for a Elk rifles is based on the country I saw last year on my first MT Elk hunt. The elk we got on were always at least several hundred yards or more away and it was pretty open country. Even the timbered areas were not too thick. With that said I dont have any qualms about making a 50 yard shot with my rig and have done so often where I live in Upper MI. I have tried several light rifles including a Rem model 7 and a Rem 700 TI. I couldnt shoot the 7 worth a damn. The TI was better, and off the bench pretty darn good, but I still feel more comfortable with a gun weighing a little more and that has more meat in the barrel IE weigh forward.For me, this more than anything makes a quick shot from field positions easy near and far. I am sure its a technique thing, but to be honest I am to lazy to change up my style at this point.
Haven't read all the posts in this thread but have to say, I'm not so much worried about the weight of my rifle...it's the 40lb backpack going in and the multiple trip, 75lb+ pack out when (I'm being positive) I get an elk, that I really worry about.
I'm an older hunter and while I've hunted deer for many years on flatland, I don't know that I will be prepared for hunting at 8,000 to 10,000 feet in altitude. I'm in relative good shape (work out 5+ days a week and have for over 10 years), but altitude adds the challenge equation. My upcoming 2nd season CO elk hunting trip will be my first and hopefully not my last. I may be ill prepared but still, I can't wait.
Makes sense to me, especially since you are 34 and things have changed in elk hunting!
In my experience the TI's are OK, but I like my NULA .30-06 a lot more! It has a 24" #2 barrel and balances well offhand. It has also taken a number of big game animals out to 450 yards, from various rests.
But in the end the main thing is a rifle YOU can shoot well.
I would advise you to arrive at least a day earlier for you Colorado hunt, and two days would be better.
I have hunted elk in Colorado at 9000+ feet, and even though I live at 4000 feet in Montana, and regularly hunt to 8000 feet here, the thin air of the Colorado high country has an effect.
Thanks Mule Deer. Our hunting party is arriving 1 1/2 days prior to opening day and hope that will be enough time. Several years ago, I owned a small 12 acre plot of land at 10,000 ft altitude in CO. I remember how long it took to me acclimate to the altitude. Although I'm older now, (60 yrs. old) I am in much better shape. I'm hoping the excitement and adrenalin rush will help.
Ha, I was in the Air Force and they would never have let us do any PT with a scary gun in our hands. Just not civilized you know.
Originally Posted by Mark R Dobrenski
Thats a great pic John! Side note, I had my oldest G-son (turned 12 yesterday) watching one of your vids he is big time jacked to stretch it out a bit...
Dober
Mark,
You are just the Grandpa to keep him on the right track. 12 years old and headed down the right path, that kid might just be one serious elk killin badazz when he is 30.
Make us all look bad.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
I like light rifles.
This thread has got me confused. Does liking light rifle make me a puzzy, or not a puzzy?
Haven't read all the posts in this thread but have to say, I'm not so much worried about the weight of my rifle...it's the 40lb backpack going in and the multiple trip, 75lb+ pack out when (I'm being positive) I get an elk, that I really worry about.
Very true, I'm in the same boat, my favorite hunting area is between 10,000 and 11,500 and starts 3-4 miles from the trailhead. We hunt the early seasons in September so snow is not so much of an issue, and neither is bitter cold so we can get away with bringing less (and lighter) gear, so that's what we do.
I look at the weight of my rifle the same as any other piece of gear--I want the lightest weight possible that will serve the purpose. My sleeping bag weighs around two pounds, and my floorless tent, 2 1/2. I could carry a heavier, more bomb-proof tent at 5-6 lbs. and/or a 3 1/2 lb. sleeping bag and be more protected from the elements, but the 2 1/2 lb. tent does just fine for my purposes, so why would I put another few pounds on my back? My cook pot is titanium and my stove and water filter are some of the lightest made. Same goes for most every piece of gear I carry--if I want my pack weight at 40 lbs. or less for a week-long hunt, I look at everything, including the rifle. Otherwise, the pack would be 50 lbs. because everything adds up.
I hunt with muzzleloaders mostly, and used to carry a 9 1/2 lb. Hawken. Now I carry a 6 1/2 lb. in-line and I'm more accurate with the 6 1/2 lb. rifle.
And before someone gets carried away, I'm not "whining" about the weight of my gear; if they didn't make a 2 1/2 lb. tent or a 6 1/2 lb. rifle, I'd just carry the heavier ones.
But I don't have to carry the heavier ones, so I don't. I hope that makes sense .
This year, we're packing in with goats, and I'm really looking forward to it. I've never been on a pack trip with 'em, but I've been around them and they are pretty cool, follow you around like dogs, sure-footed, eat anything, and easy to manage. I'll be snapping some photos for certain.
What is this macho attitude about carrying a gun? My gun is heavier than yours, therefore I am tougher than you are. The measure of a hunter is not how much gun weight you can carry, it is what you can do with the gun.
bingo.
I bet my gun is heavier than yours.
I ain't that happy about that, but then I'm cheap. Can't see paying $1500 for an Ultralight when my (somewhat self-customized) 7.5 lb (including scope and sling) M98 or Ruger 77 will kill just as effectively to any reasonable range at $1K less and a lb or 2 more weight. I've never found a light weight rifle to be an advantage in accuracy when the nit meets the grit, nor my rifles' slightly heavier weight to be an impediment to the hunt.
Moderation in all things, including moderation....
Lighter is better when humping it (and I'm primarily a back-pack hunter), but you pays your money and takes your chances...
Everyone's perspective varies- sometimes even reasonably!
I'm in pretty good shape year round. I do triathlons and I'm running a marathon before going elk hunting this fall. I have a browning xbolt and a Winchester extreme weather both in 300 wsm. I actually prefer and plan to hunt with the Winchester as it is about 1/2 a pound heavier all up than the browning and is just easier for me to shoot free hand than the browning. When my adrenalin is going the extra weight of the Winchester makes the first shot count. The xbolt is more accurate but I'll give the hunting accuracy to the Winchester. I think moderation is probably the key for most folks. I still want a Montana in .308 but fear I won't shoot it very well because of the light weight and decided that for now I'll stay with the xbolt for might light rifle. I feel being in shape is more important than a light rifle when it comes to elk hunting success, but ultimately time with boots on the mountain is more important than either.
my 2 pennies. if you are to wimpy to carry a 9 pound rifle .you have absolutly ZERO chance of packing out an elk quarter. stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........
When a person chooses not to carry a 9 pound rifle it isn�t necessarily because that person is �wimpy�. Hell, most of the time I�d call the person �smart�.
Over the years my hunting buddies and I have packed most of our elk out on our own shoulders, including two last year between my son-in-law and myself. Over the years we have often we have found ourselves carrying an elk quarter, a pack and a rifle.
For 20+ years I had only one centerfire bolt gun in a caliber legal for Colorado�s big game, and that is what I carried. These days I have a variety of rifles and weights to choose from but I don�t see my relatively heavy 6.5-06AI ever making an elk trip. No point carrying the weight if you don�t need to. I keep thinking a light weight Ruger Compact in 7mm-08 or up would be a great rifle for elk hunting.
Last year I took two nephews on their first antelope hunt. Each of them carried one of my rifles. When it came time for me to shoot I just �borrowed� one of my own rifles. The following weekend I was hunting antelope hunting with my son-in-law and was carrying my heavy 6.5-06AI. I got antelope both weekends but have to say I�d let others carry my rifles every time if I had the choice.
Carry a 9-pound rifle if you want to, I�d prefer lighter.
26 pages of "My rifle is better than yours" "I walk 100 miles uphill in and out of hunting camp" "My rifle can shoot 2 miles" "My rifle can't shoot 50 yards, so I have to be a good hunter to get real close" Bla bla blaaa...
What a bucket load of testosterone. I knew there were lots of guys on here that could do it all, but 26 pages???
I carry what I want and shoot what I want and enjoy shooting my game where ever I find it. A 30 BAR for rabbits or an M-1 Garand for elk, I know I follow the least line of resistance in every case. I have success and don't care about teansy rifles or big guns, besides that is why I had kids, so they could do all the work...
After going nearly a year unable to walk unaided due to a bad injury, I'm working very hard to get back to my pre-injury fitness level. One thing I've since learned through rehab, for every 1-pound of extra weight you haul up into the mountains, you will add about 4-pounds of extra weight and stress onto your knee joint. I've read studies that indicate this weight can be further aplified during times of jumping and running to equate to as much as 8-pounds of extra weight on your knee joint for every 1-pound of added gear. Just using the static numbers, a person who reduced their gear weight by 10-pounds would be subject to a total of 48,000 less pounds of pressure and stress on the knee joint for every mile hiked.
I really didn't care before, but now I look at my rifles like I look at a good pack or a good pair of boots. I want the rifle to perform as needed, but I do not want the rifle to weigh more in unnecessary extra pounds if it is not needed for the task at hand. Too many good choices in rifles today without having to resort to humping a lead pipe all over the mountains.
Good luck on your rehab. During the last several years my wife has had a hip and two shoulder replacements (due to leukemia treatments) so I know how the hard the road back can be.
My hunting buddy would be crazy to want to carry a 9 pound rifle, too. Diabetes has left him with shoulder joint damage and he had shoulder surgery a couple years ago. He is not back to where he was physically and it is not likely he ever will be.
Should my hunting buddy "stay home and oil your rifles. or road hunt........ " as suggested above? As far as I'm concerned, "Hell, no!" We will still be hunting elk together in early November and if we succeed we will figure a way to get the meat out, even though he probably can't lift a quarter onto his shoulder any more.
Hope you get back in the field soon. I'd be interested in knowing what you choose to carry when you do.
Just looking at pictures posted..Damn...Everyone carries way more than they need..Looks like some intend to get lost/run out of bullets and have to survive for weeks on end....
Me thinks the key here is that people carry "what they feel they need" not what you feel that they need...
This isn't a one size fits all world. We don't pick out what we feel others should do for work, or what others should look for in a lady or what people should drive for a rig so why on earth would someone judge what others choose to carry..? If you were carrying it for them then I could underforstand the concern. However, it aint working that way.
Maybe that was a little sarcastic but the fact remains 16 ounces of rifle weight is nothing compared to what things some people carry they do not need.
I think to many people read to much and take these silly list from the net as golden on what a hunter should have with him but doesn't need.
It's like spending thousands for Rifles/scopes/binoculars/clothing/food/outfitters then choose a box of K-Mart bullets to kill what there after without a clue how tough some animals are at different angles.
Yeah..Read the net and K-Mart bullets work just fine and sometimes they do but not all the time.
I've done my last 2 mountain hunts with my 8.5lb 338rum this eason. Didn't kill me, but I felt it a little on the shoulder after the 6ish miles and 4k of elevation I was either ascending or descending. (2k each way, no trail)
If you don't use a lot of reach then maybe you don't need a lot of rifle weight.
For me I am kind of wimpy and also don't shoot well so a little extra weight in the rifle helps me with a little extra reach and really doesn't hurt my limited hill climbing ability all that much.
Everyone has to find the right balance between reach and portability and while this might be a shocker to some the right balance for some is not the right balance for others. Who would have thunk it.
I've done my last 2 mountain hunts with my 8.5lb 338rum this eason. Didn't kill me, but I felt it a little on the shoulder after the 6ish miles and 4k of elevation I was either ascending or descending. (2k each way, no trail)
As the years add up, the same weight isn't the same, no matter how much you train. There was a time I carried a standard grade pre-64 and thought little of it. I train considerably more today than I did back then.
Steelhead and John Burns also make valid points.
However, today I wear a heavier boot than I did back then. My standard boot today is pretty much the Meldel Perfects which are heavier than those I wore 20years ago. Reason being the arch support is so much better, that at the end of the day my legs are stronger, but if I didn't need the support that boot wouldn't be my first choice for a Grouse hunt.
Once you have gone light and it satisfies your "reach" not many will be all that enthusiastic to add a couple extra pounds of rifle weight just to prove they can. I've been there and seen that light.
To the original question, I doubt any of us would be all that enthralled about a 3pound hat.
Broke 50 this year, and had been putting in Dr Schols work pads, (with the gel) for a few years now.
I get out and way back more often on foot then horses anymore. Leaving in the :am for 3-day in GMU #18, in fact!
At first I thought I was giving in to a weakness with the pads, maybe I am, but they help give the boot support design a little more help. And tend to help roll the boot flex with the punches a little more in real rocky terrain.
With two boot pads and a slightly compressed (heavier) load of slow burning powder, can I still hunt from a semi with my same ol lighter rifle, if I leave like say an apple and a candy bar in camp?
It depends on what you call heavy..Standard rifles come out of the mill weighing over 7# and after you scope/sling and load 'em up,weigh more than 8 lbs...
Is an 8.5 lb+ rifle considered heavy or do we need to spend booko's of money to lighten them up?
When Winchester/Ruger/Weatherby and Remington in 30-06 all weigh above 7# more like 7.5 for an average with Winchester over 8lbs all minus scopes and slings...
... I look at the weight of my rifle the same as any other piece of gear--I want the lightest weight possible that will serve the purpose. My sleeping bag weighs around two pounds, and my floorless tent, 2 1/2. I could carry a heavier, more bomb-proof tent at 5-6 lbs. and/or a 3 1/2 lb. sleeping bag and be more protected from the elements, but the 2 1/2 lb. tent does just fine for my purposes, so why would I put another few pounds on my back? ...
Don't put it on your back. Put it on your front. It works better. Seriously.
Just for grins, I did a search of mainstream factory rifle makers, selected a few, focusing mostly on .270 cal. rifles, and advertised weights, and an arbitrary increase of 1.5# allowance for scope, rings, sling, ammo:
Ruger M77 Mk 2 Standard: 8# (9.5#) Sporter: 7.5# (9#) All Weather: 7.75# (9.25#) #1 Lite Sporter: 7# (8.5#)
Weatherby Mk. V. Accumark: 7.25# (8.75#) Deluxe: 6.75# (8.25#) Deluxe, .270 Wby: 8.5# (10#) Vanguard Series 2: 7.25# (8.75#)
Browning X Bolt Hunter: 6.75# (8.25#) A-Bolt Medallion: 6# 11 oz. (8# 3 oz.) BAR Lite Stalker: 7# 6 oz. (8# 14 oz.)
Savage 111: 7# (8.5#) 114 Am. Classic: 7.5# (9#)
The all-up range of these selected rifles is from 8.25# on the low end, to 9.75#, for the Win. Supergrade. Add a bigger scope, heavier mounts and rings, hang a bipod off the forend, and the 'add-on' weights could easily increase a pound or more over the 1.5 assumed number. I included the Weatherby Mk V in the list, to point out that magnum calibers in the Mk V weigh significantly more than the non-magnum calibers.
These are all rifles the American hunter is likely to go out and buy. Judging from posts here and elsewhere, they are generally ill-regarded because of their weight- no sub-8 pound rifles in the bunch. Yet I doubt the 'average' (maybe above-average) big-game hunter is likely to give a second thought to rifle weight, or make his buying decision on weight alone.
These are all rifles the American hunter is likely to go out and buy. Judging from posts here and elsewhere, they are generally ill-regarded because of their weight- no sub-8 pound rifles in the bunch. Yet I doubt the 'average' (maybe above-average) big-game hunter is likely to give a second thought to rifle weight, or make his buying decision on weight alone.
Very true..What person in shape would whine about a few ounces in rifle weight?
Not sure what "how's that" means, but anyway: More companies are offering LW alternatives. I.E. Kimber, Remington Model 7, Browning Micro, etc. There is a market or they wouldn't.
Shooters are trimming actions, fluting bolts and barrels. Nula has a strong following. That it is a trend is hard to ignore.
As far as price, heavy or light can be had at going prices or the sky is the limit for both.
If I was into heavy kickers or long range, I would be willing to add the pound or so. Even more for the .300mags and up. If I resided in a tree stand same thing. Moving on the ground combined with inside 300 almost exclusively covering my opportunities I see little reason to carry it.
Ever wonder why Ruffed Grouse and Quail shotguns run on the light side? The reason is they are a better tool for the game. Although admittedly many carry it to the extreme.
10hours carrying and extra 1.5lbs in my hands or hand when I don't have gives me no advantage.
Have you had the opportunity to carry a Kimber or Nula all day for a week or two? Get back with us when you do.
These are all rifles the American hunter is likely to go out and buy. Judging from posts here and elsewhere, they are generally ill-regarded because of their weight- no sub-8 pound rifles in the bunch. Yet I doubt the 'average' (maybe above-average) big-game hunter is likely to give a second thought to rifle weight, or make his buying decision on weight alone.
"average" doesn't set the bar very high...
"average" is why we hate public sight-in day at the range.
so, yes, i can see the "average" big game hunter not giving a second thought about rifle weight.
Since Elk is your thing, this is what you are trying to hit. What? 24inches or so? Inside 400yards I can't see how lugging around an extra pound or two is any advantage.
These are all rifles the American hunter is likely to go out and buy. Judging from posts here and elsewhere, they are generally ill-regarded because of their weight- no sub-8 pound rifles in the bunch. Yet I doubt the 'average' (maybe above-average) big-game hunter is likely to give a second thought to rifle weight, or make his buying decision on weight alone.
Very true..What person in shape would whine about a few ounces in rifle weight?
Jayco
You tell us? You're the one obsessed with this subject.
It depends on what you call heavy..Standard rifles come out of the mill weighing over 7# and after you scope/sling and load 'em up,weigh more than 8 lbs...
Is an 8.5 lb+ rifle considered heavy or do we need to spend booko's of money to lighten them up?
Jayco
For me I would not do a serious elk hunt without having real 1000 yd reach out of my rifle.
For my limited shooting ability I need the gun to weight 10 Lbs unloaded to make that work, so I would most certainly not pay for more for a light weight rig.
It sucks to carry the heavier gun but it sucks even worse to miss the tough shots.
I'm not an Elk hunter or one who shoots 1000 yds at game but it seems like splitting hairs when a rifle considered light is listed at 7 lbs. and heavy is listed at 10 lbs. Most of my hunting is still hunting or stalking so I do put on a few miles over hill and dale in snow and I know how a rifle feels after a long hunt. I'm thinking if I was so fortunate to get a chance to hunt in the mountains after sheep or elk that maybe I would be fit enough to handle the extra three pounds. Or, drop three pounds in weight and take a good crap in the morning prior to the hunt to cover the difference. I used to trek around the countryside with a M-60 plus a full ammo can and didn't complain as much as some folks do about their hunting rifle weight. I wouldn't trade a good shooting rifle for a lighter one any day even if it meant 3+ lbs. I would find somewhere else to trim the weight. Come to think of it every serious hunter that I ever knew has never really complained about the weight of their rifle. So I hardly consider rifle weight to be a game breaker or a measuring stick of if you are in shape or not. The OP should read, Three days straight in the mountains. Are you really in shape?
By your admission it sucks to carry the heavy rifle, however you need it for 1000 yard work. Sooooo, if you don't do the extreme LR work- most don't-why carry that sucker around?
Horses for courses seems to be the common sense answer. Anything else can just suck.
By your admission it sucks to carry the heavy rifle, however you need it for 1000 yard work. Sooooo, if you don't do the extreme LR work- most don't-why carry that sucker around?
Horses for courses seems to be the common sense answer. Anything else can just suck.
The longest I practice is 600 yards and I'm concerned more with getting a good hit than the actual cartridge. Add to that my longest to date is 350, I have no problem passing on shots I'm not sure about, I carry quite a bit in my pack and we do it on foot not horses - thus I don't need a 1000 yard rig and when it comes to rifles lighter is preferred to heavier.
This year a 22" fluted .338 WM will get the call but I keep thinking an 18-20" short mag in .264 to .300 would be ideal for my needs.
Bud and I were shooting at an approximately 12in x 8in rock at 500yards on Saturday. It would have easily fit into the vitals of the above Elk pic. He with a Rem .223 Police rifle that must go 9lbs with a Weaver-T 1/8dot which I think was 23 or 24x. Me with a 5.5lb .22-250 wearing a. 2.5-8 with a one minute dot when on 8x.
We both were chipping the edge of the rock until he centered it and broke it into pieces.
I know which one we both would pick to carry around all day. Little weaklings that we are.
What we prefer is the important thing about this discussion to remember. For some reason or another some people want to tell others what they should or shouldn't be carrying for weight in a rifle.
I mean really why on earth should anyone else care what others carry (be it in gun weight or in day pack weight), other to further their personal agenda I can't imagine giving a flock as to what others carry...
I know what works for me and will carry accordingly.
Most all can carry a lot more than they feel a need to carry and some get lost in this concept for some reason or another...
I find it kind of ironic that some feel concern themselves with what others choose to want to not carry for weight and then...get wound about the fact that some people carry a day pack and why should they be carrying all that weight in it!?
Agree with both Jeff and Dober. Carry what you want, along with what you need.
The one thing that does make me pause is when some say "Lose the pounds from your belly" and think that equals things out. Easily proven it doesn't.
At one time swordsmen picked their sword with care. Weight, balance, cutting edge, anticipated use and individual strength all were given consideration. Rifles are little different.
I wouldn't carry a target rifle up and down a mountain hunting elk or any other critter. Nor would I pass on a hunt because I didn't have the latest and greatest feather weight. Much like rifle weight is a poor measuring stick for showing if a person is in good enough shape to go hunting. I see many a person carrying too much chit in their pack that they will never use that weighs more than three pounds. I, like those have mentioned above, don't care what you carry nor will I judge you based on it. It is still a free country and if you want to carry a .50 BMG to hunt elk in the mountains I'm fine with that. And if you want to do it with a titanium pistol that weighs less than a pair of track shoes, I'm cool with that too.
Since there is still a few weeks to my hunt I am gonna say I drag a 11 lb plus Sendero 7mm stw around hike hunting but I hate to change because it's paid for and it's killed two nice bulls In three years at long range. I am 55 with a heart condition so I go slow and sit down more than most of you young turkeys....but I eat elk about twice a week year round.
Since there is still a few weeks to my hunt I am gonna say I drag a 11 lb plus Sendero 7mm stw around hike hunting but I hate to change because it's paid for and it's killed two nice bulls In three years at long range. I am 55 with a heart condition so I go slow and sit down more than most of you young turkeys....but I eat elk about twice a week year round.
Hunting is an activity to be enjoyed in all its aspects as far as I�m concerned. That includes preparation, time spent in camp and the field with friends, taking an occasional shot with whichever rifle or handgun makes the trip. I won't knock anyone for carrying what makes them happy and in fact recommend it � if that rifle brings a smile to your lips, go for it.
I do have to say that 11 pounds is considerably heavier than I would want to carry when hunting elk � by week�s end there would be more of a grimace than a grin on my face!
Apparently folks consider someone a 'wuss' for taking 2 pounds of their rifle or say silly [bleep] like loose 5 pounds from your waist. Tell you what, add 5 pounds to your boots and let me know how that plays out.
Not many people know this one but a pound on your boots equals six on your back according to an old Army study. I believe it too.
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LogSplitter do you have any videos on the intenet of you and your pony?
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