458 lott is a rifle, you guys just cannot believe that penetration past 14 inches has no bearing on wounding in two legged animals under 350 pounds. Didn't that Muslim yelling alah akbar at fort hood kill dead a bunch of people with a piss ant FN 5.7? If he had been using a 44 magnum I guess they would have been deader. Andy Obama is a muslim himself for calling it workplace violence.