I took my Godson to Collbran, Co to shoot an exotic when he was 13. Have to be 14 to hunt in Utah ( stupid Law). Anyhow, there was a guy, 50ish, who was there to shoot one of the big bull elk on the place ( at that time, $5500) he was showing me his 25 Winchester Super Short Magnum he had handloaded the 117 Hornady "round nose". We hear them later that day, multiple shots fired, big bull finally down, at the skinning shed, many were barely getting into the body cavity. He finally made a killing shot at the base of the skull. He was so happy! Then had a guy in church who "won" a browning in the 223 SSM. It was not that accurate, he had sticky bolts with the factory loads. Poor design ( and or use) of them soured me. Add 'any" of that old Electric Ammo crap...
