I was not going to get into this, but I want to add a comment for some to consider. If any of you are near as old as I, you will remember in the 50"s the 2 words "Japanese junk" And it was. and you should also remember Quality improved to what it is today, such as scopes that many on these forums cream their jeans over. During the war, Japanese committed a massive attack on Pearl Harbor and tortured American soldiers. I suppose those atrocities are forgiven now by those who now send their dollars over there by buying Japanese products, but that is fine. I know why many are poo pooing buying Chinese manufactured optics and with some very good reasons. However, to do this and lap up the Japanese offerings is just a bit contradictory to me. IMHO it is the fault of the U.S. government since the 50's. Mr. Trump is trying to correct some of this now, and as you've seen over the past 4 years, he's got an up-hill battle. If the "other side" gets elected, God help the United States of America. RJ