Mad Dog, Hope you get it. I missed out on a nice 30-30 Rem a while back. The guy was selling it at a show as a 30-30 Win. I tried to convince him it was a 30 Rem, and thought I could to talk him down. He sold it, and I found out later he knew what it was all along. Leroy Mertz has one now "caliber 30-30" A little deceptive I think.