Yeah, both stone-cold boring....but practically speaking nothing much that has come along improves on them a whole bunch.
......and after you get over the infatuation with messing with little brass bottles of different shapes and sizes that only hold powder and seal chambers,and just wanna go hunting;and after you realize all any of them do is propel bullets from rifles,they are likely the two that will be remaining.
This is because both work well on the overwhelming majority of BG animals a guy is likely to hunt here or anywhere else.
Their only fault is they don't leave you much to talk about.......
