This ones going to be hard to defend , a knee on the neck for 5 minutes , even after he is unresponsive the knee is still there and his hands in his pockets, unbelievable !
She said when she walked up to the scene the man was already on the ground. Frazier said the police officer pressed the man's face so hard against the ground that his nose was bleeding.
Other people who had gathered at the scene began begging the officer to take his knee off the man's neck. After the man stopped moving and lied motionless on the ground, a bystander is heard saying, "Bro, he's not even f---ing moving! Get off of his neck!"
The FBI has been called to investigate an incident in Minneapolis where a black man died after a white police officer pinned his knee against the suspect's neck as he appeared to struggle to breathe and begged for help before going limp.
For a guy who couldn't "breath" he sure was talking a lot. Pretty obvious the LEO was not putting enough pressure on the perps' neck to prevent breathing, looked more like controlling a potentially dangerous drugged out nut case.
I'll wait for the autopsy and the Paul Harvey report before passing judgement.
Wasn t there ,don t know what happened,but the press is gonna hang that cop out to dry. There was also a link in that post to the muslim cop that killed the Austrailian woman a few years ago getting sentanced to 12.5 years.
He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long enough into the abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.
-Nietzsche.
I knew philosophy 101 would come in handy someday.
I'm not saying the guy was innocent, but he deserved his day in court. Not a Blue Murder. And every cop there was OK with that.
How did he die?
Travis,
Is that the question you ask when the owner of a drug store dies of a heart attack while being beat down by the bad guy. He died. That is murder.
With a half dozen other cops standing around, can anybody explain why they did not drag his ass out, taser if necessary, and treat him like a they are trained too?
The jury for this cop ain't going to get two days curer pay.
I was watching that one of those live cop shows. Cops got his knee on a guys neck and the guys complaining he cant breath. Cop tells him "If you can complain u can breath". He had a grown mans body weight plus gear on dudes neck. i was like that cop is an a$$hole.
Is that the question you ask when the owner of a drug store dies of a heart attack while being beat down by the bad guy. He died. That is murder.
With a half dozen other cops standing around, can anybody explain why they did not drag his ass out, taser if necessary, and treat him like a they are trained too?
The jury for this cop ain't going to get two days curer pay.
I can't answer any of your questions because I wasn't there.
I was just hoping somebody knew more than what was written in the article.
I was watching that one of those live cop shows. Cops got his knee on a guys neck and the guys complaining he cant breath. Cop tells him "If you can complain u can breath". He had a grown mans body weight plus gear on dudes neck. i was like that cop is an a$$hole.
I'm not saying the guy was innocent, but he deserved his day in court. Not a Blue Murder. And every cop there was OK with that.
How did he die?
Travis,
Is that the question you ask when the owner of a drug store dies of a heart attack while being beat down by the bad guy. He died. That is murder.
With a half dozen other cops standing around, can anybody explain why they did not drag his ass out, taser if necessary, and treat him like a they are trained too?
The jury for this cop ain't going to get two days curer pay.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
You ever heard of rush to judgement that is so prevalent here at The Campfire ?
Perhaps you could sit in on the autopsy and report back to us what the findings might be unless you already know.
People like you sitting on juries with totally preconceived and prejudiced feelings are a bigger danger to society than those cops are.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
no expert but wouldn't that cut off blood flow to the brain and could end being fatal if done too long.
"People like you sitting on juries with totally preconceived and prejudiced feelings are a bigger danger to society than those cops are.
Pay attention Tooterville, nobody had any feelings either way until they saw this video today. Just what jury, in your mind, would say this cop did the right thing?
Can pretty much guarantee this video is going to be shown in many court rooms. And hopefully many police training sessions.
"People like you sitting on juries with totally preconceived and prejudiced feelings are a bigger danger to society than those cops are.
Pay attention Tooterville, nobody had any feelings either way until they saw this video today. Just what jury, in your mind, would say this cop did the right thing?
Can pretty much guarantee this video is going to be shown in many court rooms. And hopefully many police training sessions.
6mm brain size you have no idea beyond the video of what happened or what the cause of death actually was.
Put another way, you’re talking through your asss.
Let me know when you become a forensic pathologist.
Looks like dude pissed himself after blacking out . Or ac from the cop vehicle running??? Big ole stream going down the pavement. Dies in hospital. All on vid. And handcuffed during the whole thing..... Not good for the blue team....
"People like you sitting on juries with totally preconceived and prejudiced feelings are a bigger danger to society than those cops are.
Pay attention Tooterville, nobody had any feelings either way until they saw this video today. Just what jury, in your mind, would say this cop did the right thing?
Can pretty much guarantee this video is going to be shown in many court rooms. And hopefully many police training sessions.
You do what you have to do, based on the circumstances and the threat, to take control of the individual and get them into custody. From what I could see in the video that had been accomplished. Why they didn’t stand him up, then put him in a cruiser, is beyond me. What happened there, to me, looks like torture which rose to murder. The guy with his knee on the mans neck will likely be charged and I believe he should be. There’s no excuse for that.
You do what you have to do, based on the circumstances and the threat, to take control of the individual and get them into custody. From what I could see in the video that had been accomplished. Why they didn’t stand him up, then put him in a cruiser, is beyond me. What happened there, to me, looks like torture which rose to murder. The guy with his knee on the mans neck will likely be charged and I believe he should be. There’s no excuse for that.
Looks like dude pissed himself after blacking out . Or ac from the cop vehicle running??? Big ole stream going down the pavement. Dies in hospital. All on vid. And handcuffed during the whole thing..... Not good for the blue team....
Some of you guys need to watch the video again, and pay close attention. The guy is talking plain as day. The cops knee is not depressing anywhere near where the carotid artery could be compressed. As to the perp, all you can see is is head and a little shoulder(that would be his front shoulder for some). We have no idea how big the guy was, what drugs or other influences he may have been under or other violent tendencies leo were experiencing during the altercation. It appeared the other officer/s were giving him commands to which he would start struggling when the pressure was let off to allow him to get up. You can't see what the other officers were dealing with behind the car so no idea what the purp may have had in his hands. A lot you can't see or know and only a little of what you can.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
I usually error on the side of the cop, self preservation and adrenaline. After several minutes though of the guy subdued, and eventually the guy is passed out and his body is completely limp, you would think the guy would just cuff him and put him in the car. He would have woke up about a couple minutes later with a headache and that's about it.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
no expert but wouldn't that cut off blood flow to the brain and could end being fatal if done too long.
Isn't that the very reason the old "sleeper hold" has been illegal forever.
I'm pretty hard hearted but I couldn't stand to watch but a little of that. We were taught that we were to protect a prisoner once he was subdued. Another officer and I refused an order from a captain that was following us to jail once. We had a particularly unruly prisoner in cuffs and belted in. You know the type, whacked out on PCP. Lucky for me I had cuffed him before he really got riled and strong. After cuffing him he had bitten me and kicked 2 other agents as we were loading him for the 25 mile ride to town. About halfway there the captain radioed us and told us to pull off in the woods and put a stop to that sht. I told the other agent to speed up and do not stop. He would have been beaten to a pulp if we had stopped. Another time I had to drag one into the shade and cool him down. He had resisted after a hard run on a hot day and once cuffed was left out in the sun and was nearly dead from heat. I told the officer that took him down once you get him whipped and cuffed you do everything you can to help him.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
I usually error on the side of the cop, self preservation and adrenaline. After several minutes though of the guy subdued, and eventually the guy is passed out and his body is completely limp, you would think the guy would just cuff him and put him in the car. He would have woke up about a couple minutes later with a headache and that's about it.
I agree with most of that.
And somebody just text a pic of the other side of that unit and there's three cops on the dude.
Didn't watch it because I just don't want to see this.... I do have a question, was there any threat that the guy had covid 19? I could understand not wanting to get spit on if that was a concern....
Seriously though. Maybe he had a heart attack from the stress of the event. But just looking at the video, it looks like he basically got choked out. If that happened, his whole body would have gone limp but he would have been fine after a couple minutes if regular blood flow was allowed to resume. If not, after about 5 minutes, a person is nearing brain dead. Yeah, I know, the guy was part brain dead to begin with but you know what I mean.
The guy launching the "bro" attack made things worse for sure. The cops were more concerned about him as a distraction, than the completely limp unresponsive body under his knee.
This ones going to be hard to defend , a knee on the neck for 5 minutes , even after he is unresponsive the knee is still there and his hands in his pockets, unbelievable !
She said when she walked up to the scene the man was already on the ground. Frazier said the police officer pressed the man's face so hard against the ground that his nose was bleeding.
Other people who had gathered at the scene began begging the officer to take his knee off the man's neck. After the man stopped moving and lied motionless on the ground, a bystander is heard saying, "Bro, he's not even f---ing moving! Get off of his neck!"
Murder. Arrest on suspected non-violent, white collar crime. Executed on the street.
so what happened before the camera started to roll. Was the officer threatened? If so, then too fing bad, he has the right (we all do) to keep a guy from getting up and hurting injuring the officer/s. If not then hell to pay.
i did watch the video. a long time ago, when i was dealing with some of that stuff, there was a question about "excessive force" with the number of cops around, cuffed, you wonder the need to do what they did. from my viewpoint, the cop putting the knee on him looked like he was enjoying it. i know when it ends up in court, a defense attorney for the cops ain't gonna like explaining that video. curious to see how much time they get, and the monetary settlement. I am usually on the side of the police, but that on first glance looks excessive, and they gots issues. since they are already fired, didn't take long.
Yeah, when they fire them on the spot, it says a lot about what they did and that the brass wants no part of it, except on the prosecutions side. Of course, none of that will matter to the "activists". They'll get real active, most likely. They never let a crisis go to waste, either.
This ones going to be hard to defend , a knee on the neck for 5 minutes , even after he is unresponsive the knee is still there and his hands in his pockets, unbelievable !
She said when she walked up to the scene the man was already on the ground. Frazier said the police officer pressed the man's face so hard against the ground that his nose was bleeding.
Other people who had gathered at the scene began begging the officer to take his knee off the man's neck. After the man stopped moving and lied motionless on the ground, a bystander is heard saying, "Bro, he's not even f---ing moving! Get off of his neck!"
Leo was taking no chances. Heard about it on Pro Leo Joe Pags radio. He said there is no justifiable cause for this crap.
Originally Posted by jimy
That one looks a whole lot more like murder than the the bubba shootings !
It looks like the officer might have been kneeling in prayer.
He was praying the guy would die quickly.
They usually die pretty quick when you cut the carotid Artery blood flow to the brain. Appears the cop is an expert at that slick trick. Probably a martial arts expert.
he has the right (we all do) to keep a guy from getting up and hurting injuring the officer/s. If not then hell to pay.
As soon as the guy passes out, his whole body went completely limp. He looked down and saw the guy was completely unresponsive a couple times. Hell, he even did that when someone came over and felt the guy for a pulse. Should have been obvious the guy didn't pose a threat anymore.
Yeah, when they fire them on the spot, it says a lot about what they did and that the brass wants no part of it, except on the prosecutions side. Of course, none of that will matter to the "activists". They'll get real active, most likely. They never let a crisis go away either.
I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in the decisions made by the mayor of Minneapolis.
It looks like the officer might have been kneeling in prayer.
He was praying the guy would die quickly.
They usually die pretty quick when you cut the carotid Artery blood flow to the brain. Appears the cop is an expert at that slick trick. Probably a martial arts expert.
Excessive use of force, and I don't care what happened earlier. FN cops like that suck. Had a mate showing his azz at Griffin's Marina and someone called the harbor police. A black policeman showed up and Jimmy told him he was going to beat the black off of him. We all knew it wasn't going to be good when the car turned towards port fourchon. Jimmy got his azz beat bad and deserved it.
Such knee on the neck type cops do what they do, cause the 90% of 'good cops' allow it.
There is a line of thought that there are no ‘good cops’. There are only bad cops and silent cops. And staying silent as their fellow cops abuse their power, abuse citizens, or not standing up against injustice committed by other cops, still makes them a bad cop.
It looks like the officer might have been kneeling in prayer.
He was praying the guy would die quickly.
They usually die pretty quick when you cut the carotid Artery blood flow to the brain. Appears the cop is an expert at that slick trick. Probably a martial arts expert.
Oh my.
Its sorta like the Vulcan neck pinch thingy.....but for black guys.
It looks like the officer might have been kneeling in prayer.
He was praying the guy would die quickly.
They usually die pretty quick when you cut the carotid Artery blood flow to the brain. Appears the cop is an expert at that slick trick. Probably a martial arts expert.
Oh my.
Its sorta like the Vulcan neck pinch thingy.....but for black guys.
So maybe they shoulda used the Vulcan mind meld instead?
That's horrible. Would an armed bystander be ok if he knocked the cop off that guys neck? I doubt it. That cop standing around should have kicked the murdering officer in the head.
My friend is a cop and was part of the investigation of the cops that shot that rancher in North Idaho that was trying to put down a wounded cow. I asked my cop friend about it and he surprised me when he said he thought the cops were guilty as hell and should be up on murder charges. I was proud to be his friend when he said that because too often cops protect their own even if they are dirty.
I watched the news conference—the police chief fired them and the Mayor supported that. The Police Union spokesman made a comment about waiting for cause of death and investigation but didn’t sound to unhappy about the firings. They had another retired Cop on there an expert on use of force—he pretty much threw them under the bus.
@Burleyboy you might get in legal trouble for defending a dying man but I can absolutely assure you NONE of those "officers" would want anything to do with you. Bullies are rough tough bad mean...till you bust'em up be it with your fist a 4D cell maglite or bullet.
It's been awhile since my last anatomy course but I'm pretty sure there are two carotid arteries plus two others (vertebral?) that supply blood to the brain. This is why it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked. From this I'll speculate that the knee to the neck likely has little to do with the death.
That is not to say the officer(s) have no culpability in the death, just that the most unsettling images are not the cause in my opinion. They make for a good case of abuse but are not a contributor in the death. Instead, I feel it is more likely the cause of death will be excitable delerium or positional asphyxiation. Both are not common but officers should be aware of the possibilities.
Excitable delerium is often the result of cocaine, meth, and some designer drug usage. It often presents with violent/aggressive behavior, panic/paranoia, and other behavior issues. The dangerous aspect is elevated body temperature which can become even worse upon being restrained. Recognizing the symptoms early is very difficult and once the process starts, mitigation becomes nearly impossible and the end result is commonly death. Needless to say, arm, humid weather is not beneficial to preventing this from happening.
Positional asphyxiation is maybe less rare but still not common. It is basically suffocating like having a boa constrictor holding you. Every time you exhale, the chest tightens up and one draws in less air. One can talk and yell but it becomes harder and harder as time goes on. It seems to occur most often when a suspect is cuffed behind their back and then placed face down. There appears to be no rhyme nor reason to why this happens, all body types and shapes seem to be affected.
I suspect one of these two examples will be found to be the culprit. It makes the death no less tragic nor the officers less culpable but it is likely not what it appears to be.
i will be the first to say that i mite be wrong but i do not care what happens to people i do not know .i never have and never will . people on the fire yes . i mite meet one . but i do not have to. i miss Fieldgrade .i guess i have to much going on to think about stuff that dose not effect me
There is a line of thought that there are no ‘good cops’.
Thats just flat out moronic.
That’s your opinion. Others differ, and rightly so.
A cop’s job is to enforce the law, ALL of em’. Many of the laws are manifestly unjust. Therefore every cop has agreed to act as an enforcer of laws that are manifestly unjust. Some people think that’s OK, some don’t.
...it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked.
Not acutely. If a complete occlusion occurs over time, collateral circulation can develop. But if a complete occlusion occurs acutely, the results are gonna be bad...it’s gonna cause a stroke and may cause death.
I hate cops (not just cause I'm a lawyer...and I know that more people hate lawyers than hate cops) but I hate criminals and lawlessness more. I've known a few cops who were outright scumbag sadists (one was my brother in law, who was an SFPD sgt known as "sgt rock" for his habit of dropping rocks on the feet of suspects who were not cooperating) and some who were more criminal than most crooks. I'm sure there are a few cops who wrongfully kill people, but I also know that probably 95% of cops abide by the law, and I just don't think that most of these killings are anything more than a scared cop trying to get home to his family that night.
...it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked.
Not acutely. If the occlusion occurs over time, collateral circulation can develop. But if the occlusion occurs acutely, the results are gonna be as jaguartx said.
Forgot to add, the police chief nor mayor have the authority to terminate employment of officers. "Firing" by the chief is showmanship in an effort to appease or affect a certain response. Officers are hired by a Civil Service Commision so would also be fired by the same group. Which is why it is commonly reported that the chief's decision is overturned. The Commission is typically made up by volunteers who are then chosen and confirmed by the city council. Both sides bring forth their case and await a decision. This decision may be challenged by other means but it is generally the first steps.
...it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked.
Not acutely. If the occlusion occurs over time, collateral circulation can develop. But if the occlusion occurs acutely, the results are gonna be as jaguartx said.
Forgot to add, the police chief nor mayor have the authority to terminate employment of officers. "Firing" by the chief is showmanship in an effort to appease or affect a certain response. Officers are hired by a Civil Service Commision so would also be fired by the same group. Which is why it is commonly reported that the chief's decision is overturned. The Commission is typically made up by volunteers who are then chosen and confirmed by the city council. Both sides bring forth their case and await a decision. This decision may be challenged by other means but it is generally the first steps.
good to read some actual facts instead of conjectures on here
...it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked.
Not acutely. If a complete occlusion occurs over time, collateral circulation can develop. But if a complete occlusion occurs acutely, the results are gonna be bad...it’s gonna cause a stroke and may cause death.
It also takes both carotids to be impacted, at least that was what I was taught and seen. In the video only the one might have been affected and even that is questionable. I still maintain one of the two factors I previously mentioned is going to be more likely.
i will be the first to say that i mite be wrong but i do not care what happens to people i do not know .i never have and never will . people on the fire yes . i mite meet one . but i do not have to. i miss Fieldgrade .i guess i have to much going on to think about stuff that dose not effect me
Yeah but this is the kind of stupid event we don't need in an election year. Not sure how this plays out but if handled poorly, rest assured that special interests will outright finance race riots. And of course, the media will turn it into a crisis that their leftist handlers are happy to exploit. So it could easily impact you.
...it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked.
Not acutely. If a complete occlusion occurs over time, collateral circulation can develop. But if a complete occlusion occurs acutely, the results are gonna be bad...it’s gonna cause a stroke and may cause death.
I doubt the knee to the neck is what killed him. Probably the stress caused an underlying condition to kill him but the callous lack of care by the police when it had become obvious he was unconscious is going to burn those cops down !
...it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked.
Not acutely. If a complete occlusion occurs over time, collateral circulation can develop. But if a complete occlusion occurs acutely, the results are gonna be bad...it’s gonna cause a stroke and may cause death.
It also takes both carotids to be impacted...
That’s simply not true.
I think I'll listen to the Nurse Practitioner, and not the guy who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
I doubt the knee to the neck is what killed him. Probably the stress caused an underlying condition to kill him but the callous lack of care by the police when it had become obvious he was unconscious is going to burn those cops down !
Yep.
Get a big fork. They are done. I you want to save the tax payers some money, let them keep the guns and one round each.
That pic on the right looks an awful lot like impending suffocation to me. A 250 lb man with a knee on the dude's neck and the other upon his thorax with the cop's toes barely touching the ground. A second cop with one knee on the abdomen and the other on his buttocks, while a third cop is kneeling upon the dudes knees and ankles.
On the "choking out" issue, keep in mind that if the street, shoulder and/or collarbone were pressing on the underside of the neck at all, it would be easy to go unconscious with the knee only applied to one side.
here's a fact for consideration. Few cops, many, many more scumbags in this country. Most cops would rather put the hurt on scumbags than answer schidt calls to deal w/ lowlifes that do not present a threat to good people. Cops, good or bad do not get to choose their clientale and deal w/ what they get. Not being an azzhole is a life plan that allows most to not suffer at the hands of the popo.
Few have a clue about life outside of their bubble. Gus needs a drool bucket.
Bonking a seal pup on the head with a haptic is sustainable harvesting of a natural resource-right and just and humane. But people can’t get past that visual of red blood on white snow. That guy might have died of a drug overdose but them cops ain’t getting past that visual of a guy kneeling on his neck.
I realize that the guy is physically held down, but a person who is suffocating goes into full out super human panic mode if they think they have taken their last breath. They shake, flail violently etc. To me it looked more like he went to sleep which is more characteristic of a blood choke out.
Some of you guys need to watch the video again, and pay close attention. The guy is talking plain as day. The cops knee is not depressing anywhere near where the carotid artery could be compressed. As to the perp, all you can see is is head and a little shoulder(that would be his front shoulder for some). We have no idea how big the guy was, what drugs or other influences he may have been under or other violent tendencies leo were experiencing during the altercation. It appeared the other officer/s were giving him commands to which he would start struggling when the pressure was let off to allow him to get up. You can't see what the other officers were dealing with behind the car so no idea what the purp may have had in his hands. A lot you can't see or know and only a little of what you can.
The man was calling for help. Their duty is to help him, not kill him. It's not complicated.
but a person who is suffocating goes into full out super human panic mode if they think they have taken their last breath. They shake, flail violently etc.
Yeah, when they fire them on the spot, it says a lot about what they did and that the brass wants no part of it, except on the prosecutions side. Of course, none of that will matter to the "activists". They'll get real active, most likely. They never let a crisis go away either.
I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in the decisions made by the mayor of Minneapolis.
Last I heard the cops were innocent until proven guilty also, just like the rest of us.....and the scumbags that they deal with every f..ing day. To some it sure doesn't seem that way, but ask you to wear a mask and it MY RIGHTS...MY RIGHTS
In the end, it doesn't matter what happened leading up to the knee in the neck, and even the knee in the neck itself may not be the ultimate issue.
But when a suspect is in custody, their walfare, and right to medical care, is 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer.
This has been upheld as an 8th amendment right over, and over, and over. The case law on this is OVERWHELMING.
So if the coroner says the man in custody died of an OD, a heart attack, a stroke, or something not caused by the knee, the cop is still fired and faces a massive civil lawsuit. The second he recognized the man in custody was out, he should have been calling for help, rolling the man over, checking vitals, starting CPR. That is 100% his responsibility to a man in custody. That is covered in the first week of POST training. "In custody 101". And, common sense. And, just being a decent fuggin' human being.
The cop never did. And it was OBVIOUS he knew the man had lost consciousness. His entire demeanor changed and he looked down multiple times and got a bit agitated.
If the coroner says the death was caused by the knee, the cop is guilty of murder.
In the end, it doesn't matter what happened leading up to the knee in the neck, and even the knee in the neck itself may not be the ultimate issue.
But when a suspect is in custody, their walfare, and right to medical care, is 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer.
This has been upheld as an 8th amendment right over, and over, and over. The case law on this is OVERWHELMING.
So if the coroner says the man in custody died of an OD, a heart attack, a stroke, or something not caused by the knee, the cop is still fired and faces a massive civil lawsuit. The second he recognized the man in custody was out, he should have been calling for help, rolling the man over, checking vitals, starting CPR. That is 100% his responsibility to a man in custody. That is covered in the first week of POST training. "In custody 101". And, common sense. And, just being a decent fuggin' human being.
The cop never did. And it was OBVIOUS he knew the man had lost consciousness. His entire demeanor changed and he looked down multiple times and got a bit agitated.
If the coroner says the death was caused by the knee, the cop is guilty of murder.
In the end, it doesn't matter what happened leading up to the knee in the neck, and even the knee in the neck itself may not be the ultimate issue.
But when a suspect is in custody, their walfare, and right to medical care, is 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer.
This has been upheld as an 8th amendment right over, and over, and over. The case law on this is OVERWHELMING.
So if the coroner says the man in custody died of an OD, a heart attack, a stroke, or something not caused by the knee, the cop is still fired and faces a massive civil lawsuit. The second he recognized the man in custody was out, he should have been calling for help, rolling the man over, checking vitals, starting CPR. That is 100% his responsibility to a man in custody. That is covered in the first week of POST training. "In custody 101". And, common sense. And, just being a decent fuggin' human being.
The cop never did. And it was OBVIOUS he knew the man had lost consciousness. His entire demeanor changed and he looked down multiple times and got a bit agitated.
If the coroner says the death was caused by the knee, the cop is guilty of murder.
The autopsy will tell the tale.
It will tell the tale of "fired, civil suites, and possibly manslaughter"..............
or,
"murder"
The cop is 100% fugged.
I remember one instructor telling our class, (paraphrased), "if a man dies while in your custody, you better look busy saving his life"
I wouldn't have got off him. They were surrounded by a pack of babbling hyenas, sure didn't need one more added to the mix. In my estimation those SJWs caused that ordeal.
In the end, it doesn't matter what happened leading up to the knee in the neck, and even the knee in the neck itself may not be the ultimate issue.
But when a suspect is in custody, their walfare, and right to medical care, is 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer.
This has been upheld as an 8th amendment right over, and over, and over. The case law on this is OVERWHELMING.
So if the coroner says the man in custody died of an OD, a heart attack, a stroke, or something not caused by the knee, the cop is still fired and faces a massive civil lawsuit. The second he recognized the man in custody was out, he should have been calling for help, rolling the man over, checking vitals, starting CPR. That is 100% his responsibility to a man in custody. That is covered in the first week of POST training. "In custody 101". And, common sense. And, just being a decent fuggin' human being.
The cop never did. And it was OBVIOUS he knew the man had lost consciousness. His entire demeanor changed and he looked down multiple times and got a bit agitated.
If the coroner says the death was caused by the knee, the cop is guilty of murder.
The autopsy will tell the tale.
It will tell the tale of "fired, civil suites, and possibly manslaughter"..............
or,
"murder"
The cop is 100% fugged.
I remember one instructor tell class, (paraphrased), "if a man dies while in your custody, you better look busy saving his life"
All of the above is yet to be seen and determined. Good lawyers can defray much and they’ll have to for sure. The video is pretty damning.
I wonder how many would change their tune if they had to walk in those cops’ shoes for a month.
^^^^^^^^^This 100 times over.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wonder how many so quick to accuse would have the b.lls to walk in their shoes for a day, not many. It takes a special breed to do a thankless job. Unfortunately there are bad ones that tarnish all the good ones (if you believe the media).
In the end, it doesn't matter what happened leading up to the knee in the neck, and even the knee in the neck itself may not be the ultimate issue.
But when a suspect is in custody, their walfare, and right to medical care, is 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer.
This has been upheld as an 8th amendment right over, and over, and over. The case law on this is OVERWHELMING.
So if the coroner says the man in custody died of an OD, a heart attack, a stroke, or something not caused by the knee, the cop is still fired and faces a massive civil lawsuit. The second he recognized the man in custody was out, he should have been calling for help, rolling the man over, checking vitals, starting CPR. That is 100% his responsibility to a man in custody. That is covered in the first week of POST training. "In custody 101". And, common sense. And, just being a decent fuggin' human being.
The cop never did. And it was OBVIOUS he knew the man had lost consciousness. His entire demeanor changed and he looked down multiple times and got a bit agitated.
If the coroner says the death was caused by the knee, the cop is guilty of murder.
The autopsy will tell the tale.
It will tell the tale of "fired, civil suites, and possibly manslaughter"..............
or,
"murder"
The cop is 100% fugged.
I remember one instructor telling our class, (paraphrased), "if a man dies while in your custody, you better look busy saving his life"
Some of you guys need to watch the video again, and pay close attention. The guy is talking plain as day. The cops knee is not depressing anywhere near where the carotid artery could be compressed. As to the perp, all you can see is is head and a little shoulder(that would be his front shoulder for some). We have no idea how big the guy was, what drugs or other influences he may have been under or other violent tendencies leo were experiencing during the altercation. It appeared the other officer/s were giving him commands to which he would start struggling when the pressure was let off to allow him to get up. You can't see what the other officers were dealing with behind the car so no idea what the purp may have had in his hands. A lot you can't see or know and only a little of what you can.
The man was calling for help. Their duty is to help him, not kill him. It's not complicated.
I've spent a lot of time in the rougher areas of certain places and one this is common: criminals always yell out that they aren't resisting as they are resisting, taking cheap shots at the arresting cops (genital grabbing, eye poking, scratching, etc.) and getting a crowd to give them cover.
Isn’t Minnysoda where the patrol officer shot and killed the black cafeteria worker on a traffic stop? How’d that turn out? If I remember correctly, the deceased failed to show his hands as instructed by LE. Like already stated, cops wanna go home after their shift to see their loved ones just like everyone else mostly.
For the linked story, The guy was breaking the law and LEs had to be called. Maybe I misheard the audio ,but I believe he refused to get in the patrol car after being cuffed. WTF were they supposed to do??? They adhered to their training it seems like. That officer is not 250 pounds either like someone said here.
In the end, it doesn't matter what happened leading up to the knee in the neck, and even the knee in the neck itself may not be the ultimate issue.
But when a suspect is in custody, their walfare, and right to medical care, is 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer.
This has been upheld as an 8th amendment right over, and over, and over. The case law on this is OVERWHELMING.
So if the coroner says the man in custody died of an OD, a heart attack, a stroke, or something not caused by the knee, the cop is still fired and faces a massive civil lawsuit. The second he recognized the man in custody was out, he should have been calling for help, rolling the man over, checking vitals, starting CPR. That is 100% his responsibility to a man in custody. That is covered in the first week of POST training. "In custody 101". And, common sense. And, just being a decent fuggin' human being.
The cop never did. And it was OBVIOUS he knew the man had lost consciousness. His entire demeanor changed and he looked down multiple times and got a bit agitated.
If the coroner says the death was caused by the knee, the cop is guilty of murder.
The autopsy will tell the tale.
It will tell the tale of "fired, civil suites, and possibly manslaughter"..............
or,
"murder"
The cop is 100% fugged.
I remember one instructor tell class, (paraphrased), "if a man dies while in your custody, you better look busy saving his life"
All of the above is yet to be seen and determined. Good lawyers can defray much and they’ll have to for sure. The video is pretty damning.
We will have to agree to disagree. The man in custody ended up in an obvious health crisis - IT DOESN'T MATTER THE REASON!!! The arresting officers made NO MOVE to help him. There is nothing to prove there. The dead man was on the ground and there was ZERO effort to assess his condition, help him, etc.
If the coroner comes back and says the guy died because he was diabetic and went hypoglycemic, and it has *nothing* to do with the restraint, he cops are still done. They didn't help the man in obvious distress (passed out/dead/whatever)
I wonder how many would change their tune if they had to walk in those cops’ shoes for a month.
^^^^^^^^^This 100 times over.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wonder how many so quick to accuse would have the b.lls to walk in their shoes for a day, not many. It takes a special breed to do a thankless job. Unfortunately there are bad ones that tarnish all the good ones (if you believe the media).
Naaa, just had it drilled into my brain that a suspect in custody is MY responsibility. There is a reason why you see cops pumping the chest of a murder suspect they just shot.
What is inconsistent about saying I hate cops and then saying that they are often provoked by suspects? Am I supposed to lie to bolster my opinion of cops?
Naaa, just had it drilled into my brain that a suspect in custody is MY responsibility. There is a reason why you see cops pumping the chest of a murder suspect they just shot.
Duck O Death,
I would love to hear who trained you to administer CPR to a subject after you shot them.
Naaa, just had it drilled into my brain that a suspect in custody is MY responsibility. There is a reason why you see cops pumping the chest of a murder suspect they just shot.
Duck O Death,
I would love to hear who trained you to administer CPR to a subject after you shot them.
I wonder how many would change their tune if they had to walk in those cops’ shoes for a month.
^^^^^^^^^This 100 times over.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wonder how many so quick to accuse would have the b.lls to walk in their shoes for a day, not many. It takes a special breed to do a thankless job. Unfortunately there are bad ones that tarnish all the good ones (if you believe the media).
If you cant do your job without breaking the law, its time to change jobs.
I would love to hear who trained you to administer CPR to a subject after you shot them.
In your fantasy world, you would stand around and smoke a cigarette while a suspect you just shot struggles for air and slowly bleeds out. You'd probably throw out a couple of gay slurs while you were at it.
But that's not the way the law, or law enforcement works.
I would love to hear who trained you to administer CPR to a subject after you shot them.
In your fantasy world, you would stand around and smoke a cigarette while a suspect you just shot struggles for air and slowly bleeds out. You'd probably throw out a couple of gay slurs while you were at it.
But that's not the way the law, or law enforcement works.
Duck O’ Death,
You are a real pro.
First you saved us all from The Corona, and now you are an expert on the 4th Amendment.
You are truly exponential, with a side of efficacy.
What is inconsistent about saying I hate cops and then saying that they are often provoked by suspects? Am I supposed to lie to bolster my opinion of cops?
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I hate cops (not just cause I'm a lawyer...I've known a few cops who were outright scumbag sadists (one was my brother in law, who was an SFPD sgt known as "sgt rock" for his habit of dropping rocks on the feet of suspects who were not cooperating) and some who were more criminal than most crooks.
What is inconsistent about saying I hate cops and then saying that they are often provoked by suspects? Am I supposed to lie to bolster my opinion of cops?
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I hate cops (not just cause I'm a lawyer...I've known a few cops who were outright scumbag sadists (one was my brother in law, who was an SFPD sgt known as "sgt rock" for his habit of dropping rocks on the feet of suspects who were not cooperating) and some who were more criminal than most crooks.
Still not seeing any inconsistency. I hate cops and I also know they often are provoked. I didn't say all cops are bad and, in fact, I said most are not bad. I just don't like the power trip that many cops are on.
I hate cops (not just cause I'm a lawyer...and I know that more people hate lawyers than hate cops) but I hate criminals and lawlessness more. I've known a few cops who were outright scumbag sadists (one was my brother in law, who was an SFPD sgt known as "sgt rock" for his habit of dropping rocks on the feet of suspects who were not cooperating) and some who were more criminal than most crooks. I'm sure there are a few cops who wrongfully kill people, but I also know that probably 95% of cops abide by the law, and I just don't think that most of these killings are anything more than a scared cop trying to get home to his family that night.
Interesting, I've never met a lawyer that wasn't a scumbag willing to lie on the behalf of other scum for a few nickels.
And your rock story is the dumbest shiet I've read in the last 10mins.
The reality is that every profession is staffed by humans, who are imperfect. There's always a bell curve at every job. Some real good employees, some terrible, but most are in the middle just trying to do their job....even shietbag lawyers.
I hate cops (not just cause I'm a lawyer...and I know that more people hate lawyers than hate cops) but I hate criminals and lawlessness more. I've known a few cops who were outright scumbag sadists (one was my brother in law, who was an SFPD sgt known as "sgt rock" for his habit of dropping rocks on the feet of suspects who were not cooperating) and some who were more criminal than most crooks. I'm sure there are a few cops who wrongfully kill people, but I also know that probably 95% of cops abide by the law, and I just don't think that most of these killings are anything more than a scared cop trying to get home to his family that night.
Interesting, I've never met a lawyer that wasn't a scumbag willing to lie on the behalf of other scum for a few nickels.
And your rock story is the dumbest shiet I've read in the last 10mins.
Shake and flail what? there was 700 lb of dead weight on top of him and he was cuffed. Andre the Giant might have been able to wiggle just a bit.
That third cop was kneeling across the knees and ankles just to prevent such flailing.
His body was completely limp and lifeless. If you were taking your last breath, I guarantee you would be able to move an inch or so, regardless of who's on top of you.
I hate cops (not just cause I'm a lawyer...and I know that more people hate lawyers than hate cops) but I hate criminals and lawlessness more. I've known a few cops who were outright scumbag sadists (one was my brother in law, who was an SFPD sgt known as "sgt rock" for his habit of dropping rocks on the feet of suspects who were not cooperating) and some who were more criminal than most crooks. I'm sure there are a few cops who wrongfully kill people, but I also know that probably 95% of cops abide by the law, and I just don't think that most of these killings are anything more than a scared cop trying to get home to his family that night.
Interesting, I've never met a lawyer that wasn't a scumbag willing to lie on the behalf of other scum for a few nickels.
And your rock story is the dumbest shiet I've read in the last 10mins.
I hate cops (not just cause I'm a lawyer...and I know that more people hate lawyers than hate cops) but I hate criminals and lawlessness more. I've known a few cops who were outright scumbag sadists (one was my brother in law, who was an SFPD sgt known as "sgt rock" for his habit of dropping rocks on the feet of suspects who were not cooperating) and some who were more criminal than most crooks. I'm sure there are a few cops who wrongfully kill people, but I also know that probably 95% of cops abide by the law, and I just don't think that most of these killings are anything more than a scared cop trying to get home to his family that night.
Interesting, I've never met a lawyer that wasn't a scumbag willing to lie on the behalf of other scum for a few nickels.
And your rock story is the dumbest shiet I've read in the last 10mins.
What did you read 11 minutes ago?
Your first post in this thread
The rock story was in my first post. Do you stutter when reading?
His body was completely limp and lifeless. If you were taking your last breath, I guarantee you would be able to move an inch or so, regardless of who's on top of you.
Maybe I have misread, but you seem to be all over on this debate. I thought your position early on was it was outright murder, but then you seem to be vacillating and playing both sides, based on which buddy is tossing in their .02.
His body was completely limp and lifeless. If you were taking your last breath, I guarantee you would be able to move an inch or so, regardless of who's on top of you.
Maybe I have misread, but you seem to be all over on this debate. I thought your position early on was it was outright murder, but then you seem to be vacillating and playing both sides, based on which buddy is tossing in their .02.
Last I heard the cops were innocent until proven guilty also, just like the rest of us.....and the scumbags that they deal with every f..ing day. To some it sure doesn't seem that way, but ask you to wear a mask and it MY RIGHTS...MY RIGHTS
Some people are saying he's guilty. Some people are shaming them as cowardly cop haters. Some of us are saying we don't know for sure what the actual cause of death is, but it doesn't look very good when the guy lays lifeless for minutes under your knee.
Really? You can't even stay on topic and debate the topic of the thread? You haven't actually addressed a single one of my points. All you can do is correct a misspelling and post stupid hashtags.
Fuggin 3rd grade BS pandering, because your buddy is bouncing all over this thread.
I hate cops (not just cause I'm a lawyer...and I know that more people hate lawyers than hate cops) but I hate criminals and lawlessness more. I've known a few cops who were outright scumbag sadists (one was my brother in law, who was an SFPD sgt known as "sgt rock" for his habit of dropping rocks on the feet of suspects who were not cooperating) and some who were more criminal than most crooks. I'm sure there are a few cops who wrongfully kill people, but I also know that probably 95% of cops abide by the law, and I just don't think that most of these killings are anything more than a scared cop trying to get home to his family that night.
Interesting, I've never met a lawyer that wasn't a scumbag willing to lie on the behalf of other scum for a few nickels.
And your rock story is the dumbest shiet I've read in the last 10mins.
What did you read 11 minutes ago?
Your first post in this thread
The rock story was in my first post. Do you stutter when reading?
My apologies, I must've been mistaken after reading your other incoherent rambling about how you're an idiot
Please tell us more nonsensical stories about "dropping rocks" on people's feet.
Really? You can't even stay on topic and debate the topic of the thread? You haven't actually addressed a single one of my points. All you can do is correct a misspelling and post stupid hashtags.
Fuggin 3rd grade BS pandering, because your buddy is bouncing all over this thread.
His body was completely limp and lifeless. If you were taking your last breath, I guarantee you would be able to move an inch or so, regardless of who's on top of you.
Maybe I have misread, but you seem to be all over on this debate. I thought your position early on was it was outright murder, but then you seem to be vacillating and playing both sides, based on which buddy is tossing in their .02.
Which is it, exactly?
Actually you did misread my posts. I NEVER said the cop was a murderer. That's for a jury to decide. And I actually said he MAY have had a heart attack for the stress of the event. AND I said it doesn't LOOK very good though when the guy has his knee on his neck for minutes while the perp lays there limp. So my position has been consistent. We don't know the cause of death but it doesn't look good.
His body was completely limp and lifeless. If you were taking your last breath, I guarantee you would be able to move an inch or so, regardless of who's on top of you.
Maybe I have misread, but you seem to be all over on this debate. I thought your position early on was it was outright murder, but then you seem to be vacillating and playing both sides, based on which buddy is tossing in their .02.
Which is it, exactly?
Actually you did misread my posts. I NEVER said the cop was a murderer. That's for a jury to decide. And I actually said he MAY have had a heart attack for the stress of the event. AND I said it doesn't LOOK very good though when the guy has his knee on his neck for minutes while the perp lays there limp. So my position has been consistent. We don't know the cause of death but it doesn't look good.
My mistake, I mistook one of allwaysstupid's posts for yours. Apologies!
His body was completely limp and lifeless. If you were taking your last breath, I guarantee you would be able to move an inch or so, regardless of who's on top of you.
Maybe I have misread, but you seem to be all over on this debate. I thought your position early on was it was outright murder, but then you seem to be vacillating and playing both sides, based on which buddy is tossing in their .02.
Which is it, exactly?
Actually you did misread my posts. I NEVER said the cop was a murderer. That's for a jury to decide. And I actually said he MAY have had a heart attack for the stress of the event. AND I said it doesn't LOOK very good though when the guy has his knee on his neck for minutes while the perp lays there limp. So my position has been consistent. We don't know the cause of death but it doesn't look good.
My mistake, I mistook one of allwaysstupid's posts for yours. Apologies!
I just read an article that explains what the four cops were attempting to arrest the black guy for: suspicion of passing a counterfeit $20.00 bill. No violence by the perpetrator noted. Well, some foolish lieberal "spokesman" alleged some fantasy but had to walk his stupid lies back. The riots have started.
The arrest that sparked the fatal chain of events happened about 8 p.m. Monday, when police were called to investigate a report of someone trying to pay with a counterfeit bill at Cup Foods, 3759 Chicago Av., and found the man matching the suspect’s description in his car, according to police and scanner audio posted online.
Cup Foods’ owner, Mike Abumayyaleh, later confirmed that one of his employees had followed store policy by calling police after someone, thought to be Floyd, tried to pay with a counterfeit $20 bill. Abumayyaleh said he’s been receiving death threats since the incident.
Officers ordered Floyd out of the car and took him into custody, police spokesman John Elder said, adding that their body cameras were rolling the whole time.
The incident was streamed by a bystander on Facebook Live, where the archived footage approached 1 million views as of Tuesday evening.
The video captures Chauvin with his knee on the neck of Floyd, who is lying face down on the street next to the rear passenger wheel, writhing, while repeatedly telling police he couldn’t breathe as three officers hold him down.
“Please, please, please I can’t breathe. Please, man,” Floyd is heard pleading with the officers. At one point, he cries out for his mother.
By then, several other witnesses had gathered on the sidewalk outside of Cup Foods, with several recording the scene on their phones. “Bro, you’ve got him down, let him breathe at least, man,” one bystander is heard telling police.
At one point, as a group of bystanders continue to plead for the officers to check Floyd’s pulse, an officer, believed to be Thao, can be heard saying “Don’t do drugs, guys.”
Warning: Video contains graphic images some viewers may find disturbing."My video proves what really happened" to George Floyd, said the woman who was among several witnessing the incident. Video (02:17): Video shows man dying under officer's knee “So you call what he’s doing OK?” one bystander asks, referring to Chauvin.
As Floyd begins to lose consciousness, the group of bystanders becomes increasingly agitated. Among them was a woman who identified herself as an off-duty firefighter and first responder.
“The fact that you guys aren’t checking his pulse and doing compressions if he needs them — you guys are on another level!” she said.
Thao is then shown moving away from his colleagues to tell the crowd to “get back on the sidewalk.” As he moves toward them, one of the bystanders points out that Floyd no longer seems to be moving.
A short time later, paramedics arrive and put him onto a gurney and into a waiting ambulance. Floyd was taken to HCMC, where he died at 9:25 p.m. The cause of his death is “pending further testing and investigation” by multiple agencies, according to the medical examiner.
No weapons were recovered from the scene, police said.
The footage doesn’t capture what led to Floyd’s arrest, only picking up after he has already been taken to the ground and is in handcuffs. The woman who filmed and posted the encounter said “the world needed to see what I was seeing.”
Darnella Frazier told the Star Tribune that she started recording “as soon as I heard him trying to fight for his life” in front of her and other bystanders near the intersection of 38th Street and Chicago Avenue S.
Federal authorities are investigating a white Minneapolis police officer for possible civil rights violations, after a video surfaced Monday that showed him kneeling on an African-American man's neck and ignoring the man's protests that he couldn't breathe. The man later died. Video (10:24): Mayor Frey: 'Being black in America should not be a death sentence' “It was like a natural instinct, honestly” to start recording, said Frazier, who lives in the neighborhood. “The world needed to see what I was seeing. Stuff like this happens in silence too many times.”
Later on Tuesday, Frey and Council Member Andrea Jenkins, who represents the ward where Floyd died, joined editors of traditional black publications North News and Insight News for an emotional 45-minute Facebook live session about the incident.
The conversation later turned to the MPD’s initial news release that said Floyd died after a “medical incident,” which sparked widespread criticism on social media that the department appeared to be downplaying his death.
Jenkins pointed out that the MPD has its own communications department and issues statements without vetting at City Hall.
“The statement that was put out was almost as harmful the perpetration of the act,” Jenkins said. “We all watched that video — there were no medical concerns prior” to the officer putting his knee on Floyd.
Elder, the police spokesman, at first said that Floyd had gotten out of the car on his own, but “physically resisted” officers and was handcuffed, before officers noticed that he was in “medical distress.” Elder later walked back some of those statements, saying they were based on preliminary information.
The technique used by officers, he added, was not a department-authorized chokehold.
All body camera footage has been turned over to the BCA, which said in a news release that its investigation was separate from the FBI’s civil rights investigation, and that it would turn over its findings to the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office for possible criminal charges.
CARLOS GONZALEZ, STAR TRIBUNE Police clashed with protesters outside the Minneapolis 3rd Police Precinct station on Tuesday night after a march to express anger over the death of George Floyd. More The racially charged incident also threatened to reignite tensions between police and minority communities that reached a boiling point in 2015 after the fatal shooting of Jamar Clark and a weekslong protest outside a nearby police station that followed.
So the last few pages went off track because of trolling from the usual suspects.
I'd just ask these simple questions:
1) Do you think the man IN CUSTODY, HANDCUFFED, under the knee had a medical emergency at the end of the incident?
2) Do you think any of the four officers there knew it?
3) Do you think any of the 4 officers did anything to assist the man in custody who was having a medial emergency?
Reminder: A man in custody has an 8th amendment right to medial treatment while in custody.... His welfare are the cops obligation.
The obvious answers are:
Yes Yes and, NO
It doesn't matter what you or I think after seeing the video. An autopsy will be done. Hopefully, its not biased in any way. Honestly, I dont see how he would die from a knee resting on the side of his neck as shown in the video.
To those immediately condemning some LEOs doing their job in a way you dont like, you dont have the first f.ucking clue as to how some folks behave or how things work.
fter seeing the video. An autopsy will be done. Hopefully, its not biased in any way. Honestly, I dont see how he would die from a knee resting on the side of his neck as shown in the video.
Ok. Listen. I mean, FOCUS. Really.... Just, focus.
The fact of the matter is, the detained man died, and the cop saw him go under, and offered **zero medical attention**.
I asked you your opinion of my only, single point in this thread. You STILL have not comprehended it. Let me be as remedial as possible:
It doesn't matter how or why the man in custody died. It only matters legally that he died under a knee and was not afforded any medical attention.
That has been my only, single point. The second he slipped into unconsciousness, cops should have been scurrying. They didn't.
The ONLY thing the autopsy will prove is, if the cop was just negligent, or if it was murder.
fter seeing the video. An autopsy will be done. Hopefully, its not biased in any way. Honestly, I dont see how he would die from a knee resting on the side of his neck as shown in the video.
Ok. Listen. I mean, FOCUS. Really.... Just, focus.
The fact of the matter is, the detained man died, and the cop saw him go under, and offered **zero medical attention**.
I asked you your opinion of my only, single point in this thread. You STILL have not comprehended it. Let me be as remedial as possible:
It doesn't matter how or why the man in custody died. It only matters legally that he died under a knee and was not afforded any medical attention.
That has been my only, single point. The second he slipped into unconsciousness, cops should have been scurrying. They didn't.
The ONLY thing the autopsy will prove is, if the cop was just negligent, or if it was murder.
The cops boss didn't think they were doing their jobs properly. He fired them and the FBI and State of Minnesota are investigating them. There was no violence, no weapons found, just a suspicion that a $20.00 bill might have been counterfeit. You think that's enough to die for?
its Hard to take you seriously ,Duck ,since you were one of the biggest fear mongerers here regarding the covid. I’m not in the least bit insecure of my intelligence. You obviously are. Go ahead and attempt to make yourself look smart some more . LMFAO
The cops boss didn't think they were doing their jobs properly. He fired them and the FBI and State of Minnesota are investigating them. There was no violence, no weapons found, just a suspicion that a $20.00 bill might have been counterfeit. You think that's enough to die for?
Did you already complete your investigation? Maybe send your results to the FBI to save US tax dollars.
I didn't realize that criminal investigations were done looking at the media on the internet . Very smart
fter seeing the video. An autopsy will be done. Hopefully, its not biased in any way. Honestly, I dont see how he would die from a knee resting on the side of his neck as shown in the video.
Ok. Listen. I mean, FOCUS. Really.... Just, focus.
The fact of the matter is, the detained man died, and the cop saw him go under, and offered **zero medical attention**.
I asked you your opinion of my only, single point in this thread. You STILL have not comprehended it. Let me be as remedial as possible:
It doesn't matter how or why the man in custody died. It only matters legally that he died under a knee and was not afforded any medical attention.
That has been my only, single point. The second he slipped into unconsciousness, cops should have been scurrying. They didn't.
The ONLY thing the autopsy will prove is, if the cop was just negligent, or if it was murder.
Ok, idiot . If you say it, it must be true.
That's your rebuttal? I mean, that is REALLY all you have to offer? I assume by the limp wristed response and lack of intelligent discord, you've really got nothing to add to your case.
fter seeing the video. An autopsy will be done. Hopefully, its not biased in any way. Honestly, I dont see how he would die from a knee resting on the side of his neck as shown in the video.
Ok. Listen. I mean, FOCUS. Really.... Just, focus.
The fact of the matter is, the detained man died, and the cop saw him go under, and offered **zero medical attention**.
I asked you your opinion of my only, single point in this thread. You STILL have not comprehended it. Let me be as remedial as possible:
It doesn't matter how or why the man in custody died. It only matters legally that he died under a knee and was not afforded any medical attention.
That has been my only, single point. The second he slipped into unconsciousness, cops should have been scurrying. They didn't.
The ONLY thing the autopsy will prove is, if the cop was just negligent, or if it was murder.
Ok, idiot . If you say it, it must be true.
That's your rebuttal? I mean, that is REALLY all you have to offer? I assume by the limp wristed response and lack of intelligent discord, you've really got nothing to add to your case.
Weren’t you the one trying to get a member’s address so you could drive your pimped out motorhome to their house and fight them? Keep talking s.hit you dumb c.ock sucker
Weren’t you the one trying to get a member’s address so you could drive your pimped out motorhome to their house and fight them? Keep talking s.hit you dumb c.ock sucker
It's clear you are channeling your inner deflave and just resorting to trolling. I literally have asked you a half dozen questions about your position on the death but you won't engage. Because, you have no platform to stand on. Just stupid insults and lame ass comments.
What we know in my opinion: 1. The officers had the man subdued and at some point the man went unconscious and unresponsive. 2. The officers should have observed that a man in their custody went unconscious and they should have gotten him medical attention.
What we don't know for sure: 1. What the.actual cause of death is and whether any medical assistance would have stopped it. 2. What was in the minds and hearts of the officers at the time of the incident.
We have to wait for the autopsy and/or investigation for more information. To say someone is guilty of murder you have to prove intentional and deliberate killing of another with malice aforethought. To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
What we know in my opinion: 1. The officers had the man subdued and at some point the man went unconscious and unresponsive. 2. The officers should have observed that a man in their custody went unconscious and they should have gotten him medical attention.
What we don't know for sure: 1. What the.actual cause of death is and whether any medical assistance would have stopped it. 2. What was in the minds and hearts of the officers at the time of the incident.
We have to wait for the autopsy and/or investigation for more information. To say someone is guilty of murder you have to prove intentional and deliberate killing of another with malice aforethought. To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
100% agreed.
Especially this, which has been my entire point:
Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot
To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
I haven’t read every post on here but has anybody pointed out the fact that people that have always voted for bigger government are now throwing rocks at their big government up there without waiting for the same government to even have a chance to sort out what happened. Is it too much to ask for an autopsy and charges to be pressed or not before you go full retard in your home city?
I haven’t read every post on here but has anybody pointed out the fact that people that have always voted for bigger government are now throwing rocks at their big government up there without waiting for the same government to even have a chance to sort out what happened. Is it too much to ask for an autopsy and charges to be pressed or not before you go full retard in your home city?
The problem is that some people want to believe it was racist and other people don't want to be seen as condoning racism. The most proper answer is probably to put them on leave and conduct an investigation. If guilty, let them go. If not, give them backpay and put them back to work. But unfortunately, the PC society demands their kneejerk pound of fresh immediately or everyone is assumed racist and corrupt.
Some of you guys need to watch the video again, and pay close attention. The guy is talking plain as day. The cops knee is not depressing anywhere near where the carotid artery could be compressed. As to the perp, all you can see is is head and a little shoulder(that would be his front shoulder for some). We have no idea how big the guy was, what drugs or other influences he may have been under or other violent tendencies leo were experiencing during the altercation. It appeared the other officer/s were giving him commands to which he would start struggling when the pressure was let off to allow him to get up. You can't see what the other officers were dealing with behind the car so no idea what the purp may have had in his hands. A lot you can't see or know and only a little of what you can.
The man was calling for help. Their duty is to help him, not kill him. It's not complicated.
I've spent a lot of time in the rougher areas of certain places and one this is common: criminals always yell out that they aren't resisting as they are resisting, taking cheap shots at the arresting cops (genital grabbing, eye poking, scratching, etc.) and getting a crowd to give them cover.
Thank You Brother Remsen, what I had considered as well.
In the end, it doesn't matter what happened leading up to the knee in the neck, and even the knee in the neck itself may not be the ultimate issue.
But when a suspect is in custody, their walfare, and right to medical care, is 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer.
This has been upheld as an 8th amendment right over, and over, and over. The case law on this is OVERWHELMING.
So if the coroner says the man in custody died of an OD, a heart attack, a stroke, or something not caused by the knee, the cop is still fired and faces a massive civil lawsuit. The second he recognized the man in custody was out, he should have been calling for help, rolling the man over, checking vitals, starting CPR. That is 100% his responsibility to a man in custody. That is covered in the first week of POST training. "In custody 101". And, common sense. And, just being a decent fuggin' human being.
The cop never did. And it was OBVIOUS he knew the man had lost consciousness. His entire demeanor changed and he looked down multiple times and got a bit agitated.
If the coroner says the death was caused by the knee, the cop is guilty of murder.
The autopsy will tell the tale.
It will tell the tale of "fired, civil suites, and possibly manslaughter"..............
or,
"murder"
The cop is 100% fugged.
I remember one instructor tell class, (paraphrased), "if a man dies while in your custody, you better look busy saving his life"
All of the above is yet to be seen and determined. Good lawyers can defray much and they’ll have to for sure. The video is pretty damning.
We will have to agree to disagree. The man in custody ended up in an obvious health crisis - IT DOESN'T MATTER THE REASON!!! The arresting officers made NO MOVE to help him. There is nothing to prove there. The dead man was on the ground and there was ZERO effort to assess his condition, help him, etc.
If the coroner comes back and says the guy died because he was diabetic and went hypoglycemic, and it has *nothing* to do with the restraint, he cops are still done. They didn't help the man in obvious distress (passed out/dead/whatever)
Duck, that sounds all good, but doesn’t show the truth. Take a shooting situations. Cops dump an armed bad guy...The ventilated asswad is cuffed even though he’s been shot.
Cops call for EMS but they’re not applying pressure to the chest wound or doing CPR. They are standing around with a shot up and cuffed bad guy on the ground, waiting on Medical to roll up to work on him....Or, coroner if he’s DRT.
How’s that differ from what you are saying these cops should have done?
Really, is that a real story that Ducky Do Dumb, really drove his motorshed to somebody's house to go all ducky on them? Now that is funny, sports fans, that is real funny.
Yep and I thought all cops were required to get cross trained as EMT's too and carry heart, cancer, asthma, blood thinners, diabetic meds, oxygen canisters etc on their duty belts next to their tasers
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by duck911
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by duck911
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by duck911
In the end, it doesn't matter what happened leading up to the knee in the neck, and even the knee in the neck itself may not be the ultimate issue.
But when a suspect is in custody, their walfare, and right to medical care, is 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer.
This has been upheld as an 8th amendment right over, and over, and over. The case law on this is OVERWHELMING.
So if the coroner says the man in custody died of an OD, a heart attack, a stroke, or something not caused by the knee, the cop is still fired and faces a massive civil lawsuit. The second he recognized the man in custody was out, he should have been calling for help, rolling the man over, checking vitals, starting CPR. That is 100% his responsibility to a man in custody. That is covered in the first week of POST training. "In custody 101". And, common sense. And, just being a decent fuggin' human being.
The cop never did. And it was OBVIOUS he knew the man had lost consciousness. His entire demeanor changed and he looked down multiple times and got a bit agitated.
If the coroner says the death was caused by the knee, the cop is guilty of murder.
The autopsy will tell the tale.
It will tell the tale of "fired, civil suites, and possibly manslaughter"..............
or,
"murder"
The cop is 100% fugged.
I remember one instructor tell class, (paraphrased), "if a man dies while in your custody, you better look busy saving his life"
All of the above is yet to be seen and determined. Good lawyers can defray much and they’ll have to for sure. The video is pretty damning.
We will have to agree to disagree. The man in custody ended up in an obvious health crisis - IT DOESN'T MATTER THE REASON!!! The arresting officers made NO MOVE to help him. There is nothing to prove there. The dead man was on the ground and there was ZERO effort to assess his condition, help him, etc.
If the coroner comes back and says the guy died because he was diabetic and went hypoglycemic, and it has *nothing* to do with the restraint, he cops are still done. They didn't help the man in obvious distress (passed out/dead/whatever)
Duck, that sounds all good, but doesn’t show the truth. Take a shooting situations. Cops dump an armed bad guy...The ventilated asswad is cuffed even though he’s been shot.
Cops call for EMS but they’re not applying pressure to the chest wound or doing CPR. They are standing around with a shot up and cuffed bad guy on the ground, waiting on Medical to roll up to work on him....Or, coroner if he’s DRT.
How’s that differ from what you are saying these cops should have done?
I know what I think I saw, let the investigation play out, and learn more.
Not, that the end result will match the info from the investigation.
I do know that in the last several years we have seen this reaction from a number of situations. Some in which the cops performed exactly as they should.
In too many though, they were wrong.
And, other than public opinion, suffered nothing as the result of someone dying needlessly.
Some, would have easily been charged and imprisoned if they weren't Blue. Others, probably didn't deserve charges, But clearly showed they were in the wrong profession.
I don't understand this Blue Line thing.
How can someone proud of their profession, dedicated to upholding the law, not be incensed when they find a traitor to the cause.
Why is it them against us? I'm not against them. I wish they would do a better job policing themselves. I want to have that childish, traditional respect toward cops.
Instead. I have had that conservation with my kids.
The one a former president alluded to.
Except, my kids aren't ghetto black boys. They are are articulate white females.
To serve and protect....my azz. I'd probably die also if someone had their knee on my neck and 3 of his buddies had their knees on the rest of my body working me over. That was one bad azz black dude, it took 4 cops to hold him after he was already in handcuffs. FN cops.
Our local LE is currently dealing with an influx from Chicago. Better benefits for the worthless here, or something.
They have my respect, having to deal with that. Dealing with no respect for any law or societal order.
Originally Posted by lvmiker
here's a fact for consideration. Few cops, many, many more scumbags in this country. Most cops would rather put the hurt on scumbags than answer schidt calls to deal w/ lowlifes that do not present a threat to good people. Cops, good or bad do not get to choose their clientale and deal w/ what they get. Not being an azzhole is a life plan that allows most to not suffer at the hands of the popo.
Few have a clue about life outside of their bubble. Gus needs a drool bucket.
The cops boss didn't think they were doing their jobs properly. He fired them and the FBI and State of Minnesota are investigating them. There was no violence, no weapons found, just a suspicion that a $20.00 bill might have been counterfeit. You think that's enough to die for?
Weren’t you the one trying to get a member’s address so you could drive your pimped out motorhome to their house and fight them? Keep talking s.hit you dumb c.ock sucker
It's clear you are channeling your inner deflave and just resorting to trolling. I literally have asked you a half dozen questions about your position on the death but you won't engage. Because, you have no platform to stand on. Just stupid insults and lame ass comments.
My last post of the night. Enjoy!
8th Amendment?
LMAO
You know as much about arresting people as you do The Corona virus.
Love to see the final medical report on real cause of death. Most of you guys would have voted not guilty on the OJ verdict
Cause of death...Choked on a counterfeit $20
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Yeah sucks, getting killed over a might be counterfeit $20 bill, I once got a counterfeit bill from the bank, would of sucked getting killed over it or even getting cuffed thrown on the ground and have a knee jammed in my neck
What we know in my opinion: 1. The officers had the man subdued and at some point the man went unconscious and unresponsive. 2. The officers should have observed that a man in their custody went unconscious and they should have gotten him medical attention.
What we don't know for sure: 1. What the.actual cause of death is and whether any medical assistance would have stopped it. 2. What was in the minds and hearts of the officers at the time of the incident.
We have to wait for the autopsy and/or investigation for more information. To say someone is guilty of murder you have to prove intentional and deliberate killing of another with malice aforethought. To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
Can you see the racism implicit in your summary? Were that 4 blacks subduing a white in that circumstance is there any question that the uniform prevented all four from being immediately arrested? There was nothing negligent about the cop with his knee on the guys's neck. It was intentional and carried to an extent well beyond simply subduing a man who at no point thus far in any of the videos yet released shows any resistance. Quite obviously, the man had a reason to be in imminent fear of death and should have been expected to resist as much as he was capable of. If he in fact showed no more resistance than thus far has been shown, then a cursory examination of any of the four's body cams should be enough to arrest them all on murder charges. Would you favor waiting for the autopsy before arresting anyone were the colors reversed?
I know what I think I saw, let the investigation play out, and learn more.
Not, that the end result will match the info from the investigation.
I do know that in the last several years we have seen this reaction from a number of situations. Some in which the cops performed exactly as they should.
In too many though, they were wrong.
And, other than public opinion, suffered nothing as the result of someone dying needlessly.
Some, would have easily been charged and imprisoned if they weren't Blue. Others, probably didn't deserve charges, But clearly showed they were in the wrong profession.
I don't understand this Blue Line thing.
How can someone proud of their profession, dedicated to upholding the law, not be incensed when they find a traitor to the cause.
Why is it them against us? I'm not against them. I wish they would do a better job policing themselves. I want to have that childish, traditional respect toward cops.
Instead. I have had that conservation with my kids.
The one a former president alluded to.
Except, my kids aren't ghetto black boys. They are are articulate white females.
The guide for all arrests and use of force is the 4th Amendment. This is difficult for a lot of Americans to understand because when they hear search and seizure they think "searching my car" or "seizing my boat." But all arrests are a seizure in the eyes of our courts, and any use of force that is applied during that seizure, is also viewed through the glass of the 4th Amendment. In its most plain terms, death is the ultimate seizure that the government can perform against an individual. The state has taken a life.
When a case goes before a court the objective is to determine if the officer acted in a reasonable fashion.
The factors that can be weighed to determine if the officer/officers behaved reasonably are LIMITLESS. They can include but not be limited to, severity of the crime, level of resistance by the subject, which of the parties involved escalated the encounter, which of the parties involved tried to keep the encounter from escalation, training, prior knowledge of subject, lack of prior knowledge of subject, an officer's level of experience, an officer's lack of experience, size and skill of an officer, size and skill of a subject, and on, and on, it goes. And keep in mind that hindsight cannot be used as a factor and that judge and jury must consider factors like adrenaline and split second decision making.
Law enforcement is not viewed the same as non-law enforcement. I hate to break that news to people, but the courts decided long ago that an agent of the state will be viewed differently than Joe Schit the Ragman.
Suffice to say that simply watching a video and making a guess as to what happened, and who is culpable, is most always a bad idea. It is only going to be one factor in the outcome of the case. This has been proven 100X's over, i.e. Rodney King, Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, etc.
Yet Americans just keep taking the bait and refuse to understand how the 4th Amendment applies to them and theirs if a law dog chooses to interact with them.
DeFlave - this - This has been proven 100X's over, i.e. Rodney King, Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, etc.
People mostly seem unaware that there were either 4 or 5 arrested at the SAME time as Rodney King......... right or wrong 4 of them said 'yes sir, no sir, yes sir, no sir' .... One did not!!!
ONE got his azz beat, 4 did NOT......
It's a little like running from the cops, a little like, NOT exactly like, but a little.......... You're gonna get arrested either way, the difference is are you going with busted and bruised ribs and gravel in your ears...................
I’m sure the Dindu was headed to register for his next semester classes at seminary and was turning his life around. Regardless, a man should not receive a stiffer street justice sentence than the courts would have given him, armed assailants excepted. Maybe they can toe-tag him Covid-19?
DeFlave - this - This has been proven 100X's over, i.e. Rodney King, Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, etc.
People mostly seem unaware that there were either 4 or 5 arrested at the SAME time as Rodney King......... right or wrong 4 of them said 'yes sir, no sir, yes sir, no sir' .... One did not!!!
ONE got his azz beat, 4 did NOT......
It's a little like running from the cops, a little like, NOT exactly like, but a little.......... You're gonna get arrested either way, the difference is are you going with busted and bruised ribs and gravel in your ears...................
The most ironic thing about the Rodney King video, is that if the department hadn't changed their use of force policy to conform to public opinion, he never would have gotten his ass beat with PR-24's.
We don't see what started this fiasco but we do see over 5 minutes of the cops holding this guy on the ground, why ? Why wasn't he loaded in to the police car that was sitting there? Did they think he needed medical assistance, were they just waiting for the ambulance to arrive on the scene ? I'm just not seeing the necessity in kneeling on his neck for that long. The man was obviously under duress, and it seems as if no one cared enough to help him .
Duck, that sounds all good, but doesn’t show the truth. Take a shooting situations. Cops dump an armed bad guy...The ventilated asswad is cuffed even though he’s been shot.
Cops call for EMS but they’re not applying pressure to the chest wound or doing CPR. They are standing around with a shot up and cuffed bad guy on the ground, waiting on Medical to roll up to work on him....Or, coroner if he’s DRT.
How’s that differ from what you are saying these cops should have done?
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I'll have you know that The Duck once took a criminal justice class at a junior college.
We don't see what started this fiasco but we do see over 5 minutes of the cops holding this guy on the ground, why ? Why wasn't he loaded in to the police car that was sitting there? Did they think he needed medical assistance, were they just waiting for the ambulance to arrive on the scene ? I'm just not seeing the necessity in kneeling on his neck for that long. The man was obviously under duress, and it seems as if no one cared enough to help him .
That’s why prudent people wait for the results of the investigation.
By the way, most anybody that doesn’t want to be arrested? Appears to be under duress.
It’s funny to me how many of you fail to recognize that at the start of the video, all the SJW’s are telling the perp to stop resisting and every time they ask the cop to put him in the squad car they reply “we already tried that.”
What we know in my opinion: 1. The officers had the man subdued and at some point the man went unconscious and unresponsive. 2. The officers should have observed that a man in their custody went unconscious and they should have gotten him medical attention.
What we don't know for sure: 1. What the.actual cause of death is and whether any medical assistance would have stopped it. 2. What was in the minds and hearts of the officers at the time of the incident.
We have to wait for the autopsy and/or investigation for more information. To say someone is guilty of murder you have to prove intentional and deliberate killing of another with malice aforethought. To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
Can you see the racism implicit in your summary? Were that 4 blacks subduing a white in that circumstance is there any question that the uniform prevented all four from being immediately arrested? There was nothing negligent about the cop with his knee on the guys's neck. It was intentional and carried to an extent well beyond simply subduing a man who at no point thus far in any of the videos yet released shows any resistance. Quite obviously, the man had a reason to be in imminent fear of death and should have been expected to resist as much as he was capable of. If he in fact showed no more resistance than thus far has been shown, then a cursory examination of any of the four's body cams should be enough to arrest them all on murder charges. Would you favor waiting for the autopsy before arresting anyone were the colors reversed?
I didn't see any mention of race by OutlawPatriot.
It’s funny to me how many of you fail to recognize that at the start of the video, all the SJW’s are telling the perp to stop resisting and every time they ask the cop to put him in the squad car they reply “we already tried that.”
Yet in truth their word or what they say is or should be worthless, cops lie constantly it's how it works. They lie to the public but it's a crime if the public lies to them
It’s funny to me how many of you fail to recognize that at the start of the video, all the SJW’s are telling the perp to stop resisting and every time they ask the cop to put him in the squad car they reply “we already tried that.”
Yet in truth their word or what they say is or should be worthless, cops lie constantly it's how it works. They lie to the public but it's a crime if the public lies to them
It’s funny to me how many of you fail to recognize that at the start of the video, all the SJW’s are telling the perp to stop resisting and every time they ask the cop to put him in the squad car they reply “we already tried that.”
Yet in truth their word or what they say is or should be worthless, cops lie constantly it's how it works. They lie to the public but it's a crime if the public lies to them
You should provide testimony for the prosecution.
Be sure to bring Duck with you.
You might consider not passing off your version of the truth as fact.
All one can hope for is for justice to be served, one way or another. Two things that is for sure,one is the typical reaction of politicians to automatically throw cops under the bus, with the other being the excuse to loot. Put them on admin leave? of course. We'll see what happens
All one can hope for is for justice to be served, one way or another. Two things that is for sure,one is the typical reaction of politicians to automatically throw cops under the bus, with the other being the excuse to loot. Put them on admin leave? of course. We'll see what happens
I don't think it's been posted yet, but the officers have all been terminated by the city of Minneappleass.
I know what I think I saw, let the investigation play out, and learn more.
Not, that the end result will match the info from the investigation.
I do know that in the last several years we have seen this reaction from a number of situations. Some in which the cops performed exactly as they should.
In too many though, they were wrong.
And, other than public opinion, suffered nothing as the result of someone dying needlessly.
Some, would have easily been charged and imprisoned if they weren't Blue. Others, probably didn't deserve charges, But clearly showed they were in the wrong profession.
I don't understand this Blue Line thing.
How can someone proud of their profession, dedicated to upholding the law, not be incensed when they find a traitor to the cause.
Why is it them against us? I'm not against them. I wish they would do a better job policing themselves. I want to have that childish, traditional respect toward cops.
Instead. I have had that conservation with my kids.
The one a former president alluded to.
Except, my kids aren't ghetto black boys. They are are articulate white females.
The guide for all arrests and use of force is the 4th Amendment. This is difficult for a lot of Americans to understand because when they hear search and seizure they think "searching my car" or "seizing my boat." But all arrests are a seizure in the eyes of our courts, and any use of force that is applied during that seizure, is also viewed through the glass of the 4th Amendment. In its most plain terms, death is the ultimate seizure that the government can perform against an individual. The state has taken a life.
When a case goes before a court the objective is to determine if the officer acted in a reasonable fashion.
The factors that can be weighed to determine if the officer/officers behaved reasonably are LIMITLESS. They can include but not be limited to, severity of the crime, level of resistance by the subject, which of the parties involved escalated the encounter, which of the parties involved tried to keep the encounter from escalation, training, prior knowledge of subject, lack of prior knowledge of subject, an officer's level of experience, an officer's lack of experience, size and skill of an officer, size and skill of a subject, and on, and on, it goes. And keep in mind that hindsight cannot be used as a factor and that judge and jury must consider factors like adrenaline and split second decision making.
Law enforcement is not viewed the same as non-law enforcement. I hate to break that news to people, but the courts decided long ago that an agent of the state will be viewed differently than Joe Schit the Ragman.
Suffice to say that simply watching a video and making a guess as to what happened, and who is culpable, is most always a bad idea. It is only going to be one factor in the outcome of the case. This has been proven 100X's over, i.e. Rodney King, Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, etc.
Yet Americans just keep taking the bait and refuse to understand how the 4th Amendment applies to them and theirs if a law dog chooses to interact with them.
Dave,
Thank you for sharing your professional perspective.
Most of these discussions lack a proper perspective.
Whether they're guilty of anything or not, one thing's for certain. If any one of us had our knee on some dudes neck for several minutes, on video, while bystanders pleaded with us to stop, and that mother f'r died, we'd be doing 25 to life, no if's, ands, or butts.
All one can hope for is for justice to be served, one way or another. Two things that is for sure,one is the typical reaction of politicians to automatically throw cops under the bus, with the other being the excuse to loot. Put them on admin leave? of course. We'll see what happens
I don't think it's been posted yet, but the officers have all been terminated by the city of Minneappleass.
My point exactly and there are videos of rioting already...
Don't play dumb we all know you're smarter than that
You might want to read what I post and actually watch the video you keep citing.
Because you're looking dumber by the minute.
I have seen the video several times, read every word you wrote and as usual your mostly correct,, but to take what the cop says as fact as he continues to let the guy die? We all know better whether we admit it or not
1.) I don't know how that person died 2.) People that don't want to be arrested all strive for the same Oscar 3.) The amount of times that officer has witnessed the same performance, from different actors 4.) "Cops are fibber-heads" would be a poor opening statement
These are all factors that will undoubtedly be weighed.
Since when is it acceptable police procedure to restrain a suspect by pinning him to the ground with a knee on his neck. Your supposed to use your jackboot to keep the underclass in their place. Does make a nice hero picture I suppose.
Can't decide if it's more racist or fascist. Definitely both. What the hell is wrong with department leadership that people would even think about doing such a thing. Maybe they need the Minnesota version of the Knapp Commission.
It’s funny to me how many of you fail to recognize that at the start of the video, all the SJW’s are telling the perp to stop resisting and every time they ask the cop to put him in the squad car they reply “we already tried that.”
I watched a fight outside the Pearl Street bar in Boulder CO. back in my college days. Trouble maker was totally shietfaced and causing a disturbance that was cut off multiple times by a couple of patrons. The trouble maker would go into the bar start fighting and the patrons would kick the crap out of him and physically throw the dirt bag out onto the mall. This went on several times before I left. I came back 15 min. later and LEO's had the guy cuffed sitting on the curb. The guy was yelling, cussing and carrying on with blood streaming down his face and head. He was completely unfazed from the continuous pummeling he had been going through. The cops put him in the back of the squad car and the dumbass started kicking the inside of the car with enough force to break windows. Out he comes and the lady cop with her partner drag him back onto the curb and she flips the guy over and hog ties him whilst looking at me and says "just like the rodeo". The guy is still fighting, spitting, yelling, and trying to kick only now with the movement of squirming worm. They get him back into the car and the guy still won't give up.
Force on force is a nasty business and there are serious risks on both sides with no guarantees as to out come on either side. You can't expect people to know exactly how to respond to each incident, determine the mental/physical health while dealing with the individual or how they will react to stress and to what level of force to use. Then you have "policy" to follow, whether its practical or not for the situations encountered. The list goes on and on. I'm actually surprised there aren't more deaths, on both sides, considering the crap shot life throws at us. Does this mean LEO just gets a pass? Obviously not but it ain't cut and dried and people need to pull their heads out and get a good grasp of reality, on all sides before passing judgement.
The guide for all arrests and use of force is the 4th Amendment.
This is not true. While much of the rules of engagement fall under the 4th, there are some aspects of excessive/deadly force and detainee health and safety that fall squarely into the 8th.
There is plenty of case law relating to deliberate indifference. Though it is usually thought of in terms of the incarcerated, it 100% applies to detainees in the field. Plenty of case law to suggest that when the derainee went limp under the cops knee (reason doesn't matter), it required some reaction.
Awful lot of talking coming from someone unable to breathe...
With anyone who’s respiratory status is beginning to be compromised, there is a period of time that they can talk...and communicate that...until they can’t.
The rush to judgement in this thread and other previous ones is telling.
If this was a first and not a continued pattern views might be different
I disagree sir. Plenty of people in jail are first time offenders.
These guys shouldn't get a pass because they are cops. Qualified immunity doesn't protect someone who knowingly violates someone's rights. Problem is whether someone is willing to risk the arrest and treatment by bully cops and an unknown court and legal process. These bully cops don't discriminate about who they target. Anyone deemed weaker is fair game.
I think too many cops are just trying to get along by staying silent and turning a blind eye because they don't want a target on their backs too.
Start making cops pay insurance costs to cover lawsuits and this will help stop some of this nonsense.
No, it will take at least 6 months, but they will get back pay so no worries. Guys family will get a few million. Taxpayers will be screwed from both sides.
news story i read said all the cops had body cams, maybe they will release that at some point.
If it exonerates the cops we'll see it soon, if not the public won't see it until the courts or the public outcry demands it.
If the body cams exonerate the cops, the city, run by left wing crazy social justice progressives, will refuse to release the footage as long as they can. Chicago does this all of the time.
Awful lot of talking coming from someone unable to breathe...
With anyone who’s respiratory status is beginning to be compromised, there is a period of time that they can talk...and communicate that...until they can’t.
Yup, they can talk only when moving air. Stop them from moving air and they are not breathing. He was breathing the whole time.
Awful lot of talking coming from someone unable to breathe...
With anyone who’s respiratory status is beginning to be compromised, there is a period of time that they can talk...and communicate that...until they can’t.
Yup, they can talk only when moving air. Stop them from moving air and they are not breathing.
People who’s respiratory status is compromised, even ‘severely’ compromised...requiring intubation...are still breathing. Until they aren’t.
As for the hands in pockets, that prevents him being accused of doing something with his hands that would be very hard to prove or disprove.
Nah.
Because the guy was black, the cop was protecting his pocket change and his wallet.
Ouch, But there are many thinking that way.
My main take aways from the video include a late start in the incident and the continuing fight from the perp. The fact they said they already tried to put him in the patrol car only adds to the cops' defense.
More than that, who wants a police force that humiliates and physically abuses everyone they meet to the full extent of the law.
Who wants to inculcate obeying lawful commands to the public at large ?
Failure to do so (obey) can guarantee specific results.
And that is precisely what's wrong with policing today.You get nowhere if the public at large thinks cops are their enemy. Subdue a rowdy drunk with no or minimal force and the people being bothered are glad to see you. Abuse the crap out of him to gain future compliance and you made more people that just want you gone.
Yup, and BAN narcan, od'ers/dopers want/need to die, leave them be!
How many kids do you have gunner?
I made a deposit at a TX clinic around 1986, a bud and his wife have four boys of mine, never started a family of my own as I didn't know if id live long enough to raise em, putting that burden off on the tax payer is a liberals way of thinking.
Speaking of liberal, real conservatives don't do dope, and don't go around breaking the law, that causes popo to show up. stupid, liberal people do dope and engage criminal behavior, and they're the problem, we have to start at the start, don't be stupid in the first place!
More than that, who wants a police force that humiliates and physically abuses everyone they meet to the full extent of the law.
Who wants to inculcate obeying lawful commands to the public at large ?
Failure to do so (obey) can guarantee specific results.
And that is precisely what's wrong with policing today.You get nowhere if the public at large thinks cops are their enemy. Subdue a rowdy drunk with no or minimal force and the people being bothered are glad to see you. Abuse the crap out of him to gain future compliance and you made more people that just want you gone.
Any consideration of abuse heaped upon cops in your repertoire?
After they’ve given a lawful command to the perp ?
More than that, who wants a police force that humiliates and physically abuses everyone they meet to the full extent of the law.
Who wants to inculcate obeying lawful commands to the public at large ?
Failure to do so (obey) can guarantee specific results.
And that is precisely what's wrong with policing today.You get nowhere if the public at large thinks cops are their enemy. Subdue a rowdy drunk with no or minimal force and the people being bothered are glad to see you. Abuse the crap out of him to gain future compliance and you made more people that just want you gone.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
no expert but wouldn't that cut off blood flow to the brain and could end being fatal if done too long.
I have seen critters caught in snares with a single foot in the loop with the neck, still alive. No foot and they die in minutes. Trying to block an airway and four carotid artery branches with just one knee is plenty tough. The cop did not even dig into the scalene nerve.
What we know in my opinion: 1. The officers had the man subdued and at some point the man went unconscious and unresponsive. 2. The officers should have observed that a man in their custody went unconscious and they should have gotten him medical attention.
What we don't know for sure: 1. What the.actual cause of death is and whether any medical assistance would have stopped it. 2. What was in the minds and hearts of the officers at the time of the incident.
We have to wait for the autopsy and/or investigation for more information. To say someone is guilty of murder you have to prove intentional and deliberate killing of another with malice aforethought. To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
Can you see the racism implicit in your summary? Were that 4 blacks subduing a white in that circumstance is there any question that the uniform prevented all four from being immediately arrested? There was nothing negligent about the cop with his knee on the guys's neck. It was intentional and carried to an extent well beyond simply subduing a man who at no point thus far in any of the videos yet released shows any resistance. Quite obviously, the man had a reason to be in imminent fear of death and should have been expected to resist as much as he was capable of. If he in fact showed no more resistance than thus far has been shown, then a cursory examination of any of the four's body cams should be enough to arrest them all on murder charges. Would you favor waiting for the autopsy before arresting anyone were the colors reversed?
WTF are you talking about??? I said absolutely nothing about race.
Awful lot of talking coming from someone unable to breathe...
With anyone who’s respiratory status is beginning to be compromised, there is a period of time that they can talk...and communicate that...until they can’t.
Yup, they can talk only when moving air. Stop them from moving air and they are not breathing.
People who’s respiratory status is compromised, even ‘severely’ compromised...requiring intubation...are still breathing. Until they aren’t.
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
He was breathing the whole time.
Until he wasn’t.
Yes, it has been accepted here by everyone that he did in fact die.
And you know the exact cause of death, Dr. Antlers ? Grins
Yup, and BAN narcan, od'ers/dopers want/need to die, leave them be!
How many kids do you have gunner?
I made a deposit at a TX clinic around 1986, a bud and his wife have four boys of mine, never started a family of my own as I didn't know if id live long enough to raise em, putting that burden off on the tax payer is a liberals way of thinking.
Speaking of liberal, real conservatives don't do dope, and don't go around breaking the law, that causes popo to show up. stupid, liberal people do dope and engage criminal behavior, and they're the problem, we have to start at the start, don't be stupid in the first place!
Long way around the barn to say none.
The point I'm making is a lot of things are easy to say and preach until it's not. Raising kiddos tends to open your eyes to the fact that some things aren't that easy.
Yup, and BAN narcan, od'ers/dopers want/need to die, leave them be!
How many kids do you have gunner?
I made a deposit at a TX clinic around 1986, a bud and his wife have four boys of mine, never started a family of my own as I didn't know if id live long enough to raise em, putting that burden off on the tax payer is a liberals way of thinking.
Speaking of liberal, real conservatives don't do dope, and don't go around breaking the law, that causes popo to show up. stupid, liberal people do dope and engage criminal behavior, and they're the problem, we have to start at the start, don't be stupid in the first place!
Long way around the barn to say none.
The point I'm making is a lot of things are easy to say and preach until it's not. Raising kiddos tends to open your eyes to the fact that some things aren't that easy.
Not being stupid enough to bow to peer pressure is rule number one, ever stood in a train line waiting on your shot with the whore? not me, that's something liberals do, shlt like that, it's real easy if someone will only use their fu-king heads and not be stupid.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
no expert but wouldn't that cut off blood flow to the brain and could end being fatal if done too long.
Isn't that the very reason the old "sleeper hold" has been illegal forever.
Any consideration of abuse heaped upon cops in your repertoire?
After they’ve given a lawful command to the perp ?
Sure. From a cop family. None of them killed anyone though they could have done so justifiably. The fancy term is deescalate the situation. In the family it's try to help the poor f*cked up bastard.
Trying to block an airway and four carotid artery branches with just one knee is plenty tough.
An acute occlusion of one common carotid artery can cause a stroke...and it can be fatal.
Also, when professional fighters apply a triangle blood choke, they only apply direct pressure to one side of the neck. The other side is constricted by the person's own shoulder, arm or collarbone area. In this case, it may be possible that the guy's own shoulder or the street for that matter could have applied enough pressure on the underside of the neck to cause him to go unconscious. We don't know yet until an autopsy is performed though.
Any consideration of abuse heaped upon cops in your repertoire?
After they’ve given a lawful command to the perp ?
Sure. From a cop family. None of them killed anyone though they could have done so justifiably. The fancy term is deescalate the situation. In the family it's try to help the poor f*cked up bastard.
Who says they didn’t try to de escalate the situation with that ‘poor f’ked up bastard ‘ ?
Yup, and BAN narcan, od'ers/dopers want/need to die, leave them be!
How many kids do you have gunner?
I made a deposit at a TX clinic around 1986, a bud and his wife have four boys of mine, never started a family of my own as I didn't know if id live long enough to raise em, putting that burden off on the tax payer is a liberals way of thinking.
Speaking of liberal, real conservatives don't do dope, and don't go around breaking the law, that causes popo to show up. stupid, liberal people do dope and engage criminal behavior, and they're the problem, we have to start at the start, don't be stupid in the first place!
Long way around the barn to say none.
The point I'm making is a lot of things are easy to say and preach until it's not. Raising kiddos tends to open your eyes to the fact that some things aren't that easy.
Not being stupid enough to bow to peer pressure is rule number one, ever stood in a train line waiting on your shot with the whore? not me, that's something liberals do, shlt like that, it's real easy if someone will only use their fu-king heads and not be stupid.
You never let pass a drop of alcohol or a test of tobacco until you were of legal age I assume. I applaud that.
Not everyone is born a man of steel. No I've never done pervert shidt or put a needle in my arm. But I'm not sanctimonious enough to say a kid that got drunk at a party and took something he shouldn't have should be let to die in the corner.
I'm not sanctimonious enough to say a kid that got drunk at a party and took something he shouldn't have should be left to die in the corner.
Agreed. But some folks ‘are’ that sanctimonious. Especially if it’s someone else’s kid/kids. They would likely feel different...very different...if it were their own.
What we know in my opinion: 1. The officers had the man subdued and at some point the man went unconscious and unresponsive. 2. The officers should have observed that a man in their custody went unconscious and they should have gotten him medical attention.
What we don't know for sure: 1. What the.actual cause of death is and whether any medical assistance would have stopped it. 2. What was in the minds and hearts of the officers at the time of the incident.
We have to wait for the autopsy and/or investigation for more information. To say someone is guilty of murder you have to prove intentional and deliberate killing of another with malice aforethought. To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
Can you see the racism implicit in your summary? Were that 4 blacks subduing a white in that circumstance is there any question that the uniform prevented all four from being immediately arrested? There was nothing negligent about the cop with his knee on the guys's neck. It was intentional and carried to an extent well beyond simply subduing a man who at no point thus far in any of the videos yet released shows any resistance. Quite obviously, the man had a reason to be in imminent fear of death and should have been expected to resist as much as he was capable of. If he in fact showed no more resistance than thus far has been shown, then a cursory examination of any of the four's body cams should be enough to arrest them all on murder charges. Would you favor waiting for the autopsy before arresting anyone were the colors reversed?
WTF are you talking about??? I said absolutely nothing about race.
Do you comprehend the word implicit or can't you read?
What we know in my opinion: 1. The officers had the man subdued and at some point the man went unconscious and unresponsive. 2. The officers should have observed that a man in their custody went unconscious and they should have gotten him medical attention.
What we don't know for sure: 1. What the.actual cause of death is and whether any medical assistance would have stopped it. 2. What was in the minds and hearts of the officers at the time of the incident.
We have to wait for the autopsy and/or investigation for more information. To say someone is guilty of murder you have to prove intentional and deliberate killing of another with malice aforethought. To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
Can you see the racism implicit in your summary? Were that 4 blacks subduing a white in that circumstance is there any question that the uniform prevented all four from being immediately arrested? There was nothing negligent about the cop with his knee on the guys's neck. It was intentional and carried to an extent well beyond simply subduing a man who at no point thus far in any of the videos yet released shows any resistance. Quite obviously, the man had a reason to be in imminent fear of death and should have been expected to resist as much as he was capable of. If he in fact showed no more resistance than thus far has been shown, then a cursory examination of any of the four's body cams should be enough to arrest them all on murder charges. Would you favor waiting for the autopsy before arresting anyone were the colors reversed?
WTF are you talking about??? I said absolutely nothing about race.
Do you comprehend the word implicit or can't you read?
How and where in Outlaw's post is racism implied? Please elaborate because as near as I can tell there isn't a word implying anything about race.
What we know in my opinion: 1. The officers had the man subdued and at some point the man went unconscious and unresponsive. 2. The officers should have observed that a man in their custody went unconscious and they should have gotten him medical attention.
What we don't know for sure: 1. What the.actual cause of death is and whether any medical assistance would have stopped it. 2. What was in the minds and hearts of the officers at the time of the incident.
We have to wait for the autopsy and/or investigation for more information. To say someone is guilty of murder you have to prove intentional and deliberate killing of another with malice aforethought. To me it LOOKS more like negligence. They should have noticed the man in their custody went unconscious and had a medic check on him.
Can you see the racism implicit in your summary? Were that 4 blacks subduing a white in that circumstance is there any question that the uniform prevented all four from being immediately arrested? There was nothing negligent about the cop with his knee on the guys's neck. It was intentional and carried to an extent well beyond simply subduing a man who at no point thus far in any of the videos yet released shows any resistance. Quite obviously, the man had a reason to be in imminent fear of death and should have been expected to resist as much as he was capable of. If he in fact showed no more resistance than thus far has been shown, then a cursory examination of any of the four's body cams should be enough to arrest them all on murder charges. Would you favor waiting for the autopsy before arresting anyone were the colors reversed?
WTF are you talking about??? I said absolutely nothing about race.
Do you comprehend the word implicit or can't you read?
How about passing judgement on what I actually say as opposed to what you think I meant?
Remember Eric Garner? He died while resisting arrest and the police didn’t do anything wrong. Eric’s body just gave out because of the stress of struggling with the cops. It’s more than likely that the same thing happened to this guy.
When someone is being restrained by the police and complains that they can’t breath, they obviously can breath or they wouldn’t be able to talk. I expect that the dead guy died from a heart attack or a stroke that he suffered from resisting arrest.
Furthermore, the dead guy must have attacked the cops while he was in hand cuffs, maybe kicking or elbowing them, and that’s why they took him to the ground.
It’s election season and progressive fascists (Dems) need to foment hate among blacks in order to motivate them to vote. They are following their role model, Obama. He used lies about the Trayvon/Zimmerman shooting to motivate blacks to vote. This is why the Mayor fired the arresting officers without waiting for the investigation and autopsy to finish. I expect the the arresting officers will be cleared in the end and the will receive $$ from the city.
Yes, Travis, the cop was wrong. Keeping his knee on the guys neck for five minutes, when there was help to get the guy vertical standing right there to help with the apprehension is definitely wrong. The cop may have not liked what the guy did but it is not up to him to kill the guy for what pissed the cop off. Not being able to stomach what the guy did is just something you live with. It just comes with the badge. Let the judicial system, such as it is, take it from there.,
W. Bill
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
no expert but wouldn't that cut off blood flow to the brain and could end being fatal if done too long.
Isn't that the very reason the old "sleeper hold" has been illegal forever.
I must have missed the sleeper hold...
When I was a kid, we used to hear about it being used to subdue perps during arrests. And we used to hear of an occasional death.
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Sleeper hold: The sleeper choke hold, also known as the sleeper, sleeper hold, or rear-naked choke, is a submission move that is commonly used in martial arts as a submission technique. ... It is an incredibly dangerous move that should only be used in extreme situations or under the watch of a martial arts referee or expert.Jan 24, 2020
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Can a sleeper hold kill you? This in itself is not lethal, but the construction of both carotid arteries decreases the oxygenated blood available to the brain. It's completely harmless if the choke is released early, but it can kill if the choke is held tight for 30 seconds or more.
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Can a choke hold cause death? Shime-waza or the "choke hold", when properly applied, should not cause death; therefore, its primary purpose should be to subdue violent suspects. When properly applied, the choke hold causes unconsciousness in 10 to 20 s.
...it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked.
Not acutely. If a complete occlusion occurs over time, collateral circulation can develop. But if a complete occlusion occurs acutely, the results are gonna be bad...it’s gonna cause a stroke and may cause death.
It also takes both carotids to be impacted, at least that was what I was taught and seen. In the video only the one might have been affected and even that is questionable. I still maintain one of the two factors I previously mentioned is going to be more likely.
Actually, by the time you get into the neck there are four carotids.
I saw that they had him in handcuffs and were walking him to the patrol car. I didn’t she it, but it’s more than likely that the dead guy attacked one of the cops with an elbow or kick and that’s why they brought the dead guy to the ground and pinned him in place. All those didntdonutins are looking for a big paycheck or want to use this to motivate blacks to vote.
I made a deposit at a TX clinic around 1986, a bud and his wife have four boys of mine, never started a family of my own as I didn't know if id live long enough to raise em, putting that burden off on the tax payer is a liberals way of thinking.
Speaking of liberal, real conservatives don't do dope, and don't go around breaking the law, that causes popo to show up. stupid, liberal people do dope and engage criminal behavior, and they're the problem, we have to start at the start, don't be stupid in the first place!
This just might win the "Most Douche Like Response of the Year Award."
Not being stupid enough to bow to peer pressure is rule number one, ever stood in a train line waiting on your shot with the whore? not me, that's something liberals do, shlt like that, it's real easy if someone will only use their fu-king heads and not be stupid.
I don't think you were listening to the dialogue throughout the video.
As far as the knee to neck, I've had it done to me 100s of times by people a little bigger than that cop. It doesn't asphyxiate you and it has never collapsed my carotid arteries.
Yup, and BAN narcan, od'ers/dopers want/need to die, leave them be!
How many kids do you have gunner?
I made a deposit at a TX clinic around 1986, a bud and his wife have four boys of mine, never started a family of my own as I didn't know if id live long enough to raise em, putting that burden off on the tax payer is a liberals way of thinking.
Speaking of liberal, real conservatives don't do dope, and don't go around breaking the law, that causes popo to show up. stupid, liberal people do dope and engage criminal behavior, and they're the problem, we have to start at the start, don't be stupid in the first place!
Long way around the barn to say none.
The point I'm making is a lot of things are easy to say and preach until it's not. Raising kiddos tends to open your eyes to the fact that some things aren't that easy.
Not being stupid enough to bow to peer pressure is rule number one, ever stood in a train line waiting on your shot with the whore? not me, that's something liberals do, shlt like that, it's real easy if someone will only use their fu-king heads and not be stupid.
You never let pass a drop of alcohol or a test of tobacco until you were of legal age I assume. I applaud that.
Not everyone is born a man of steel. No I've never done pervert shidt or put a needle in my arm. But I'm not sanctimonious enough to say a kid that got drunk at a party and took something he shouldn't have should be let to die in the corner.
Nope, I wont lie to you, I did drink and smoke cigars underage, raising/experiences etc form opinion, that's why you're a more reasonable, patient caring family man, I am not.
I haven't read all of this thread yet, but am I the only who finds it surprising that no one in that video was wearing a mask.
In Minneapolis, the Mayor only requires mask wearing indoors.
Jerry
Is it also a Minnesota thing that the taller cop gives the beat downs, while the short one watches. This is pretty much opposite of the rest of the country.
Yup, and BAN narcan, od'ers/dopers want/need to die, leave them be!
How many kids do you have gunner?
I made a deposit at a TX clinic around 1986, a bud and his wife have four boys of mine, never started a family of my own as I didn't know if id live long enough to raise em, putting that burden off on the tax payer is a liberals way of thinking.
Speaking of liberal, real conservatives don't do dope, and don't go around breaking the law, that causes popo to show up. stupid, liberal people do dope and engage criminal behavior, and they're the problem, we have to start at the start, don't be stupid in the first place!
Long way around the barn to say none.
The point I'm making is a lot of things are easy to say and preach until it's not. Raising kiddos tends to open your eyes to the fact that some things aren't that easy.
Not being stupid enough to bow to peer pressure is rule number one, ever stood in a train line waiting on your shot with the whore? not me, that's something liberals do, shlt like that, it's real easy if someone will only use their fu-king heads and not be stupid.
You never let pass a drop of alcohol or a test of tobacco until you were of legal age I assume. I applaud that.
Not everyone is born a man of steel. No I've never done pervert shidt or put a needle in my arm. But I'm not sanctimonious enough to say a kid that got drunk at a party and took something he shouldn't have should be let to die in the corner.
Nope, I wont lie to you, I did drink and smoke cigars underage, raising/experiences etc form opinion, that's why you're a more reasonable, patient caring family man, I am not.
Old Toot or one of his very close loved ones is going to die a slow painful death to cancer with a black Oncologist whom they will be begging too for help... because thats how that bitch karma operates... and some people will find great humor in that situation, I promise you that.
...it is entirely possible to live and be asymptomatic with even with one carotid fully blocked.
Not acutely. If a complete occlusion occurs over time, collateral circulation can develop. But if a complete occlusion occurs acutely, the results are gonna be bad...it’s gonna cause a stroke and may cause death.
It also takes both carotids to be impacted, at least that was what I was taught and seen. In the video only the one might have been affected and even that is questionable. I still maintain one of the two factors I previously mentioned is going to be more likely.
Actually, by the time you get into the neck there are four carotids.
There is a left common carotid artery and a right common carotid artery, one on each side of the neck. At about the level of the chin, above the ‘Adam’s apple’, each common carotid artery bifurcates into an internal carotid artery and an external carotid artery. If just one of the common carotid arteries is acutely completely occluded, it’s gonna cause problems.
just another case of media driven selective outrage.
There are countless examples of obvious media driven selective outrage. In this case, if this happened to someone I knew, I'd be demanding some answers at the very least.
Old Toot or one of his very close loved ones is going to die a slow painful death to cancer with a black Oncologist whom they will be begging too for help... because thats how that bitch karma operates... and some people will find great humor in that situation, I promise you that.
Still sore over getting the scchitt kicked out of you, I see. That’s bitch karma.
Old Toot or one of his very close loved ones is going to die a slow painful death to cancer with a black Oncologist whom they will be begging too for help... because thats how that bitch karma operates... and some people will find great humor in that situation, I promise you that.
Still sore over getting the scchitt kicked out of you, I see. That’s bitch karma.
Laffin at you !
Keep “laffin”, cuz I dunno wtf your talkin bout Willis.. just more old bitty mumblin..
Old Toot or one of his very close loved ones is going to die a slow painful death to cancer with a black Oncologist whom they will be begging too for help... because thats how that bitch karma operates... and some people will find great humor in that situation, I promise you that.
Still sore over getting the scchitt kicked out of you, I see. That’s bitch karma.
Laffin at you !
Keep “laffin”, cuz I dunno wtf your talkin bout Willis.. just more old bitty mumblin..
I certainly will and always enjoy watching you get your own words shoved back up into your little gimp asss.
You’re such a whiny little puss. Try rubbing some aloe on it.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
Please tell us the full story, from the beginning, of what happened in Minneapolis and expound on the actual cause of death also.
The news just showed the colored guy being removed from his mini van. He does not look to be resisting to me. Again, 4 pussies to hold down one guy in hand cuffs? If the stress of all the Barneys holding the guy down and it leads to a heart attack, it's on the cops. Remember Waco, remember Ruby Ridge. [bleep] cops. Also the biggest reason to uphold Second Amendment, from rouge cops, and the military!
The news just showed the colored guy being removed from his mini van. He does not look to be resisting to me. Again, 4 pussies to hold down one guy in hand cuffs? If the stress of all the Barneys holding the guy down and it leads to a heart attack, it's on the cops. Remember Waco, remember Ruby Ridge. [bleep] cops. Also the biggest reason to uphold Second Amendment, from rouge cops, and the military!
Serious question here- - - - -not pot-stirring. At what point would a deadly-force intervention by a private citizen be justified to prevent a uniformed officer from committing murder? Would beating an unconscious, non-resisting, and restrained person with a baton be sufficient cause for at least shooting to stop the threat, or would drawing a weapon and placing it against the head of a helpless detainee justify an armed response? At what point, if any, should a CCW carrier be compelled to fire on a rogue cop? Jerry
Old Toot or one of his very close loved ones is going to die a slow painful death to cancer with a black Oncologist whom they will be begging too for help... because thats how that bitch karma operates... and some people will find great humor in that situation, I promise you that.
Still sore over getting the scchitt kicked out of you, I see. That’s bitch karma.
Laffin at you !
Keep “laffin”, cuz I dunno wtf your talkin bout Willis.. just more old bitty mumblin..
I certainly will and always enjoy watching you get your own words shoved back up into your little gimp asss.
You’re such a whiny little puss. Try rubbing some aloe on it.
At the end of the day, regardless, the guy went unconscious, they didn't notice and therefore didn't render any aid. At a minimum, that's negligence. Murder? Doubtful. Negligent homicide, MAYBE. Stupid- DEFINITELY.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
Serious question here- - - - -not pot-stirring. At what point would a deadly-force intervention by a private citizen be justified to prevent a uniformed officer from committing murder? Would beating an unconscious, non-resisting, and restrained person with a baton be sufficient cause for at least shooting to stop the threat, or would drawing a weapon and placing it against the head of a helpless detainee justify an armed response? At what point, if any, should a CCW carrier be compelled to fire on a rogue cop? Jerry
IDK...
But, I would feel within my right to shoot a cop if he/they mistakenly raided my home, shot my dog, and before I could clearly hear a LEO yelling “Sheriffs dept or Police department“, I’ve sent 8 rounds into a couple of them.
Aside from that...I’m not shooting a cop or another person for that matter unless I’ve seen the beginning, middle, and end of the situation.
Too many variables to assume who should catch lead, imo.
Be a good witness, if you don’t know the entire event.
The news just showed the colored guy being removed from his mini van. He does not look to be resisting to me. Again, 4 pussies to hold down one guy in hand cuffs? If the stress of all the Barneys holding the guy down and it leads to a heart attack, it's on the cops. Remember Waco, remember Ruby Ridge. [bleep] cops. Also the biggest reason to uphold Second Amendment, from rouge cops, and the military!
Serious question here- - - - -not pot-stirring. At what point would a deadly-force intervention by a private citizen be justified to prevent a uniformed officer from committing murder? Would beating an unconscious, non-resisting, and restrained person with a baton be sufficient cause for at least shooting to stop the threat, or would drawing a weapon and placing it against the head of a helpless detainee justify an armed response? At what point, if any, should a CCW carrier be compelled to fire on a rogue cop? Jerry
You can shoot somebody whenever you feel like it.
It's being able to explain your reasoning that gets kinda tricky.
But based on your posts so far, I'm pretty sure you'd be fugked regardless. Cop or otherwise.
Serious question here- - - - -not pot-stirring. At what point would a deadly-force intervention by a private citizen be justified to prevent a uniformed officer from committing murder? Would beating an unconscious, non-resisting, and restrained person with a baton be sufficient cause for at least shooting to stop the threat, or would drawing a weapon and placing it against the head of a helpless detainee justify an armed response? At what point, if any, should a CCW carrier be compelled to fire on a rogue cop? Jerry
Whenever you feel like getting clapped.....straight curtains.
So as long as your affairs are in order and you have a good life insurance policy, go forth and do you.
The news just showed the colored guy being removed from his mini van. He does not look to be resisting to me. Again, 4 pussies to hold down one guy in hand cuffs? If the stress of all the Barneys holding the guy down and it leads to a heart attack, it's on the cops. Remember Waco, remember Ruby Ridge. [bleep] cops. Also the biggest reason to uphold Second Amendment, from rouge cops, and the military!
Only rouge cops? What about black cops or white cops?
The news just showed the colored guy being removed from his mini van. He does not look to be resisting to me. Again, 4 pussies to hold down one guy in hand cuffs? If the stress of all the Barneys holding the guy down and it leads to a heart attack, it's on the cops. Remember Waco, remember Ruby Ridge. [bleep] cops. Also the biggest reason to uphold Second Amendment, from rouge cops, and the military!
Only rouge cops? What about black cops or white cops?
The news just showed the colored guy being removed from his mini van. He does not look to be resisting to me. Again, 4 pussies to hold down one guy in hand cuffs? If the stress of all the Barneys holding the guy down and it leads to a heart attack, it's on the cops. Remember Waco, remember Ruby Ridge. [bleep] cops. Also the biggest reason to uphold Second Amendment, from rouge cops, and the military!
What no one has seen is when they try to put him in the police unit, no one has put that video out and I'm sure its out there.
Serious question here- - - - -not pot-stirring. At what point would a deadly-force intervention by a private citizen be justified to prevent a uniformed officer from committing murder? Would beating an unconscious, non-resisting, and restrained person with a baton be sufficient cause for at least shooting to stop the threat, or would drawing a weapon and placing it against the head of a helpless detainee justify an armed response? At what point, if any, should a CCW carrier be compelled to fire on a rogue cop? Jerry
You can shoot somebody whenever you feel like it.
It's being able to explain your reasoning that gets kinda tricky.
But based on your posts so far, I'm pretty sure you'd be fugked regardless. Cop or otherwise.
No, you can't just shoot whoever you want whenever and wherever, even if you can explain it. In some states, the law does not permit you to use self-defense against an unlawful arrest, no matter how compelling the facts. Montana is such a state, FWIW.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession. It's not a universal rule mind you, but the correlation is very high.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession. It's not a universal rule mind you, but the correlation is very high.
Ya plumbers like to play in shiet, politicians are crooks, lawyers are liars and thieves, any more moronic stereotypes and generalization s you can think of? Oh I forgot about dumb boomer tards ..
Oh one more, most grown men that make your analogy are the same folks that call the popo because they hear a noise at night or someone calls them an ugly name....ie puzzies.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
The rush to judgement in this thread and other previous ones is telling.
If this was a first and not a continued pattern views might be different
I disagree sir. Plenty of people in jail are first time offenders.
These guys shouldn't get a pass because they are cops. Qualified immunity doesn't protect someone who knowingly violates someone's rights. Problem is whether someone is willing to risk the arrest and treatment by bully cops and an unknown court and legal process. These bully cops don't discriminate about who they target. Anyone deemed weaker is fair game.
I think too many cops are just trying to get along by staying silent and turning a blind eye because they don't want a target on their backs too.
Start making cops pay insurance costs to cover lawsuits and this will help stop some of this nonsense.
Just make all legal costs come out of the collective police retirement fund. Give every cop a stake in the misbehavior of other cops and this stuff will stop.
Old Toot or one of his very close loved ones is going to die a slow painful death to cancer with a black Oncologist whom they will be begging too for help... because thats how that bitch karma operates... and some people will find great humor in that situation, I promise you that.
Still sore over getting the scchitt kicked out of you, I see. That’s bitch karma.
Laffin at you !
Keep “laffin”, cuz I dunno wtf your talkin bout Willis.. just more old bitty mumblin..
I certainly will and always enjoy watching you get your own words shoved back up into your little gimp asss.
You’re such a whiny little puss. Try rubbing some aloe on it.
Old Toot or one of his very close loved ones is going to die a slow painful death to cancer with a black Oncologist whom they will be begging too for help... because thats how that bitch karma operates... and some people will find great humor in that situation, I promise you that.
Still sore over getting the scchitt kicked out of you, I see. That’s bitch karma.
Laffin at you !
Keep “laffin”, cuz I dunno wtf your talkin bout Willis.. just more old bitty mumblin..
I certainly will and always enjoy watching you get your own words shoved back up into your little gimp asss.
You’re such a whiny little puss. Try rubbing some aloe on it.
Laffin at you !
Still waiting...
And still laffin at you.....,
Your the one who’s going to be begging the black doctor for help, so dont laugh too hard you old bitty, your times running out quick!
Old Toot or one of his very close loved ones is going to die a slow painful death to cancer with a black Oncologist whom they will be begging too for help... because thats how that bitch karma operates... and some people will find great humor in that situation, I promise you that.
Still sore over getting the scchitt kicked out of you, I see. That’s bitch karma.
Laffin at you !
Keep “laffin”, cuz I dunno wtf your talkin bout Willis.. just more old bitty mumblin..
I certainly will and always enjoy watching you get your own words shoved back up into your little gimp asss.
You’re such a whiny little puss. Try rubbing some aloe on it.
Laffin at you !
Still waiting...
And still laffin at you.....,
Your the one who’s going to be begging the black doctor for help, so dont laugh too hard you old bitty, your times running out quick!
I’ve got more left than your comorbid, punk asss started off with.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession. It's not a universal rule mind you, but the correlation is very high.
Was that Sheriff [not a deputy mind you, but the sheriff himself] elected,as are most sheriffs? That may be a better description of politicians than it is of cops.
Many cops become LE because they like the action and aren't afraid of dealing w/ evil people. Stereotyping individuals can be a sign of ignorance.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession. It's not a universal rule mind you, but the correlation is very high.
Was that Sheriff [not a deputy mind you, but the sheriff himself] elected,as are most sheriffs? That may be a better description of politicians than it is of cops.
Many cops become LE because they like the action and aren't afraid of dealing w/ evil people. Stereotyping individuals can be a sign of ignorance.
mike r
I think that you may have just stereotyped Tarquin. Grins
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession. It's not a universal rule mind you, but the correlation is very high.
Was that Sheriff [not a deputy mind you, but the sheriff himself] elected,as are most sheriffs? That may be a better description of politicians than it is of cops.
Many cops become LE because they like the action and aren't afraid of dealing w/ evil people. Stereotyping individuals can be a sign of ignorance.
mike r
I think that you may have just stereotyped Tarquin. Grins
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession. It's not a universal rule mind you, but the correlation is very high.
Was that Sheriff [not a deputy mind you, but the sheriff himself] elected,as are most sheriffs? That may be a better description of politicians than it is of cops.
Many cops become LE because they like the action and aren't afraid of dealing w/ evil people. Stereotyping individuals can be a sign of ignorance.
mike r
I think that you may have just stereotyped Tarquin. Grins
Something that's gotta be pissing off the left right now is that can't really claim Biden is the black savior candidate because this happened right after his recent gaff.
The Duck O' Dumb gonna give us all a lesson on the 8th Amendment.
Bring a notepad.
I need a few more hours of Continuing Legal Education for my bar requirements...anyone know if Duck is certified as a CLE provider in either NY, CA or MT? Not that I'm endorsing his theory of the 8th Amendment, but I once got CLE credit for watching a comedian do standup just cause he was a lawyer, so I figure a guy in the internet pretending to be a lawyer should suffice.
Something that's gotta be pissing off the left right now is that can't really claim Biden is the black savior candidate because this happened right after his recent gaff.
Biden has already called for a “full investigation “.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
How many problems have you had with cops in Janesville?
Something that's gotta be pissing off the left right now is that can't really claim Biden is the black savior candidate because this happened right after his recent gaff.
Biden has already called for a “full investigation “.
So did Trump. Biden won't get the moral public high ground after his gaff. All the black leaders were already ragging on him this week.
Something that's gotta be pissing off the left right now is that can't really claim Biden is the black savior candidate because this happened right after his recent gaff.
Biden has already called for a “full investigation “.
So did Trump. Biden won't get the moral public high ground after his gaff. All the black leaders were already ragging on him this week.
Rag him all the way to the ballot box then vote for him.
Furthermore, the dead guy must have attacked the cops while he was in hand cuffs, maybe kicking or elbowing them, and that’s why they took him to the ground.
Now that's hilarious - when did Chuck Norris turn black? Oh my God, they killed Chuck!
I've lived in Milwaukee, Janesville, WI., Rockford, Illinois, Chicago, Denver, and Cheyenne WY. US Army 79-82. Cops, Negroes, and outlaw motorcycle gangs, all normally 4 or 5 on one. Phony tough guys.
I've lived in Milwaukee, Janesville, WI., Rockford, Illinois, Chicago, Denver, and Cheyenne WY. US Army 79-82. Cops, Negroes, and outlaw motorcycle gangs, all normally 4 or 5 on one. Phony tough guys.
Originally Posted by Remington6MM Listing to the Minneapolis police area radio scanner, the boys in blue are in some chit.
The cops in Minneapolis had best hope those Negroes don't take up deer hunting and start buying bolt action rifles (pick your caliber flavor), with 3x9 power scopes. 300 or 400 poking out upstairs windows could spell allot of trouble.
I've lived in Milwaukee, Janesville, WI., Rockford, Illinois, Chicago, Denver, and Cheyenne WY. US Army 79-82. Cops, Negroes, and outlaw motorcycle gangs, all normally 4 or 5 on one. Phony tough guys.
Just like you eh?
Never said I was tough, but I have a sense of due process, and fairness. 4 or 5 on one who is hand cuffed sure isn't tough. Maybe that's the way you operate?
Originally Posted by Remington6MM Listing to the Minneapolis police area radio scanner, the boys in blue are in some chit.
The cops in Minneapolis had best hope those Negroes don't take up deer hunting and start buying bolt action rifles (pick your caliber flavor), with 3x9 power scopes. 300 or 400 poking out upstairs windows could spell allot of trouble.
I’ve always wondered about this in regards to gang shootings. Driveby’s, spray and pray, maybe it’s cultural, but if those fellers were serious there’d be more shotguns on the driveby’s and a lot more single rounds from a parked car 4 blocks away, scoped .223 or .308. Suppressed, if possible.
That’s what I’d do. The body count would skyrocket.
Some black lives matter commando interviewed on the scene, claiming to be a military guy, said he thinks the best plan is for the military to come in and protect the people from the police. LOL what could possibly go wrong with that plan?
Originally Posted by Remington6MM Listing to the Minneapolis police area radio scanner, the boys in blue are in some chit.
The cops in Minneapolis had best hope those Negroes don't take up deer hunting and start buying bolt action rifles (pick your caliber flavor), with 3x9 power scopes. 300 or 400 poking out upstairs windows could spell allot of trouble.
I’ve always wondered about this in regards to gang shootings. Driveby’s, spray and pray, maybe it’s cultural, but if those fellers were serious there’d be more shotguns on the driveby’s and a lot more single rounds from a parked car 4 blocks away, scoped .223 or .308. Suppressed, if possible.
That’s what I’d do. The body count would skyrocket.
P
As I recall during the Rodney King riots in LA, as the police took off with their tails between their legs, those South Korean store owners on roof tops were doing pretty good with those bolt action rifles from the roof tops.
Some black lives matter commando interviewed on the scene, claiming to be a military guy, said he thinks the best plan is for the military to come in and protect the people from the police. LOL what could possibly go wrong with that plan?
Some black lives matter commando interviewed on the scene, claiming to be a military guy, said he thinks the best plan is for the military to come in and protect the people from the police. LOL what could possibly go wrong with that plan?
Some black lives matter commando interviewed on the scene, claiming to be a military guy, said he thinks the best plan is for the military to come in and protect the people from the police. LOL what could possibly go wrong with that plan?
Where are you watching this?
It was just some Fox News reporter on the scene interviewing people.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession. It's not a universal rule mind you, but the correlation is very high.
That and those that are too lazy to go out and get a real job.
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
You must be a cop, eh?
Nope, never had a government job, as I liked to work, and I never liked Dunkin Donuts..
In my life, it always seems that the guys who wanted to become cops had the little man or little dick complex. Barneys with guns, and the authority to hide behind the badge. Judge jury and executioner. 4 cops to hold down one guy who is handcuffed? People on this forum yak about the totalitarian government, the fascist state or big government, too much government over reach, or the Police State. WOW! Does anyone remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge?!
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession. It's not a universal rule mind you, but the correlation is very high.
That and those that are too lazy to go out and get a real job.
Sounds like three more candidates for cops here^^^^^^^
A sheriff once told me (not a deputy mind, you the sheriff himself) that people who want to become cops are generally people who enjoy controlling others. That's why they choose the profession...
Many cops become LE because they like the action and aren't afraid of dealing w/ evil people. Stereotyping individuals can be a sign of ignorance.
Many become cops cause their low IQ doesn't allow much else... seeing Bubba in a uniform can make his family proud that they have a high achiever.
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by Remsen
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Interesting, I've never met a lawyer that wasn't a scumbag willing to lie on the behalf of other scum for a few nickels.
Those four cops have a right to an attorney, but they can forgo that right and mount their own defence.
Originally Posted by Crockettnj
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
I wonder how many would change their tune if they had to walk in those cops’ shoes for a month.
I wonder what goes wrong in a mans head to cause him to embrace the behaviors of a fascist police state.
Gestapo and Einsatzgruppen tried the 'Nuremberg defence' at their trials, but that won't fly here.
Perhaps I might shine a little sunshine for those stressed about the situation . Has anyone checked his political status ? If it turns out he is democrat , then problem solved , he is now a good democrat ! 😎 Kenneth
I have friends, family and acquaintances in law enforcement. Some took the job because they loved the military aspect, some truly get up and go because they feel it is a service the People need, some love the power.
The guy who sat for so long with his knee on the deceased neck was an idiot. might have been pissed off at the bad check passer, but in the age of everybody's got a camera, to put gas on the fire of Cop Hate did a terrible disservice to those who are in the business for selfless reasons.
Those who own businesses that are going up in flames and being looted and did not have a hand in the action are paying a terrible price. This falls directly on his shoulders, it appears his desire to force some sort of compliance to his authority by the methods used, which appear so brutal and callous to the non-involved observer, will bear serious repercussions to his brothers in blue. He could have tazed him a number of times if necessary, bad choices bring bad results.
Can’t see destroying others property that had nothing in this as justified. They want vigilante justice then take it to the persons directly responsible . The riots are nothing more than thugs feeling justified in thier criminal actions . Has anybody found out yet if the deceased is a dem ? 🤪 Kenneth
If only the dearly departed brother had been a Chris Rock fan. From where I sit, it appears the cops used excessive force. Gotta wait for the autopsy to see if they killed him or he croaked for another reason, but the optics are not good. However it looks to me like first off, brother man did not get out of the car when told to and made the cops yank him out. Had to look tough for the chick(s) with him I guess. Second, he appeared to be jawing at them the whole time. Not a good idea but they probably will put up with that as par for the course but it is an unnecessary counter productive "escalation". Do the yes sir no sir thing dummy.
Would not be surprised if something happened we are not seeing from the time they walked him from the scene of the arrest over to the cop car where they eventually pinned him down and killed him. He probably spit, kicked, bit, whatever. I'd bet money on it. That the cops ain't likely to put up with. That does not make the cops right but its a good chance the dead guy brought all of it on himself.
Bitch about cops all you want. It is true that some of them are grown up hall monitors, bullies, whatever. All the more reason not to antagonize them during an "interaction".
Trying to pass a fake $20 bill could happen to anyone. My Mom's best pal, another 80 plus year old lady, did it at a restaurant. She got the fake bill from the bank. Paid for her meal with a check and took the bill back to the bank and got it taken care of. The cops know this and all other things being equal should not be overly excited "interacting" with someone over it. Notice I said all other things being equal. My Mom's pal did not have a prior criminal record and such.
Can’t see destroying others property that had nothing in this as justified. They want vigilante justice then take it to the persons directly responsible . The riots are nothing more than thugs feeling justified in thier criminal actions . Has anybody found out yet if the deceased is a dem ? 🤪 Kenneth
never understood if they want to retaliate, why don't they burn down a donut shop?
I don't believe I would have made a huge issue with someone over a counterfeit $20 bill. He could have gotten it in change or even from a bank. Of course we don't know who initiated making a big deal out of it. That part hasn't been seen. The deceased was a big tough bouncer type but it seems 4 police could've gotten him up and loaded a handcuffed person. If not why not shackle his ankles and wait on more help?
No one should be surprised with a knee to the neck for someone resisting arrest.
My guess would be these cops are so jaded by dealing with the public- everyone of the accused trying to lie their way out of something, many are immediately belligerent and are no strangers to the police - have a feel for when something is about to escalate.
Maybe the reason they weren't overly concerned about being filmed or in any hurry to let the guy up is because they've done it 50 times before where no one was injured and the public didn't react.
All conjecture of course but from their approach it seems pretty S.O.P.
“Bitch about cops all you want. It is true that some of them are grown up hall monitors, bullies, whatever. All the more reason not to antagonize them during an "interaction".”
Are you phuqqin kidding me? You’re aware the brain’s natural tendency is fight or flight right?
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
I’ve seen a softball to the neck cause the person to lose consciousness a few seconds later from interrupted blood flow. I finish off wounded turkeys by standing on their neck - the cop was unnecessarily punishing Floyd for some imagined insult with a brutal potentially deadly technique and he died.
The only question is what flavor of homicide he will be convicted of in about 10 minutes of jury deliberation.
Latest update. Fireman who put Floyd on the stretcher have now confirmed he had NO pulse when they arrived on the scene. So confirmed that the officer killed the guys right there on the street, kept on him till he was lifeless. So pathetic, the victim was already cuffed with 4 officers on scene. Just a shame.
“Bitch about cops all you want. It is true that some of them are grown up hall monitors, bullies, whatever. All the more reason not to antagonize them during an "interaction".”
Are you phuqqin kidding me? You’re aware the brain’s natural tendency is fight or flight right?
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
No I am not kidding. The few times I have gotten pulled for just a traffic stop my anxiety, adrenaline, and yes, depending on the chicken shaddistness of the situation, even anger levels go up bigly. Still I am smart enough to not smart off at the cops.....and I am not very smart.
Once years ago me and Dad were saltwater fishing over in South Carolina. A complete [bleep] of a possum cop came and checked license and fish...all good. Asked to see life jackets. I pointed them out and he said they would not do. See, Dad had been given "work" vests by a friend of his who worked for the Corp of engineers and we had been using them unknowingly for years. These were not the correct "type" for recreational use even though I certainly would prefer to wear them in a life or drown situation over some POS from walmart....which would have been legal. No matter. Anyway the [bleep] wanted us to post a bail of $50 because we were out of state which for a second it seemed we didn't have. Said he would take Dad to jail to raise it if it we could not come up with it. I informed the possum cop that I thought that was bovine scatology. He told me to watch my mouth or I would go to jail too. I threw up my hands, walked to the bow of the boat and cooled off. We scraped together $50 and went home. I could have tried to out [bleep] the professional [bleep] and it would only have made it worse. He was holding the legal cards plus his cousin or uncle was probably the judge in that little town. Plus in those days no cop cams, cell phone cams, and we were in the middle of nowhere out on the river, no witnesses.
Found out the next week that it is within a possum cop's right to take you in and raise bail/fine if you are from out of state. If you want to contest it you go to court. If you don't show up they have your money which is what most non felony "law enforcement" is all about as anyone with any sense knows.
Those cops may be "done", perhaps rightfully so, but that don't un-dead the dead guy who I am almost positive would still be he if he had had just a little discretion.
I don't believe I would have made a huge issue with someone over a counterfeit $20 bill. He could have gotten it in change or even from a bank. Of course we don't know who initiated making a big deal out of it. That part hasn't been seen. The deceased was a big tough bouncer type but it seems 4 police could've gotten him up and loaded a handcuffed person. If not why not shackle his ankles and wait on more help?
You think that the counterfeit 20$ bill was his first and only brush with the law ?
Can we “speculate “ that he had outstanding warrants. Can we “speculate “ that he had a history of violence ?
I’ve seen a softball to the neck cause the person to lose consciousness a few seconds later from interrupted blood flow. I finish off wounded turkeys by standing on their neck - the cop was unnecessarily punishing Floyd for some imagined insult with a brutal potentially deadly technique and he died.
The only question is what flavor of homicide he will be convicted of in about 10 minutes of jury deliberation.
I don't believe I would have made a huge issue with someone over a counterfeit $20 bill. He could have gotten it in change or even from a bank. Of course we don't know who initiated making a big deal out of it. That part hasn't been seen. The deceased was a big tough bouncer type but it seems 4 police could've gotten him up and loaded a handcuffed person. If not why not shackle his ankles and wait on more help?
You think that the counterfeit 20$ bill was his first and only brush with the law ?
Can we “speculate “ that he had outstanding warrants. Can we “speculate “ that he had a history of violence ?
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
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Police officers in Minneapolis earn an annual mean salary of $64,160 according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.2 The starting salary for new officers is between $54,504 and $69,565, depending on experience and qualifications.1 Police officers with the Minneapolis Police Department also have access to a generous benefits package which includes health insurance, dental insurance, life insurance, a pension plan, annual vacation time, sick leave, and paid holidays. Police officers who have accrued eight years of service with the MPD are eligible for additional longevity pay. The city of Minneapolis offers all eligible police officers a complimentary health club membership and reimbursement for uniforms is available. As of 2015, approximately 5,430 police officers worked in the Minneapolis metropolitan area.2
I don't believe I would have made a huge issue with someone over a counterfeit $20 bill. He could have gotten it in change or even from a bank. Of course we don't know who initiated making a big deal out of it. That part hasn't been seen. The deceased was a big tough bouncer type but it seems 4 police could've gotten him up and loaded a handcuffed person. If not why not shackle his ankles and wait on more help?
You think that the counterfeit 20$ bill was his first and only brush with the law ?
Can we “speculate “ that he had outstanding warrants. Can we “speculate “ that he had a history of violence ?
Lot's of stereotyping here. I have met insecure guys who feel more powerful behind a badge. But I also know a lot of former active duty military guys who go into LE and just want to keep serving, just not in the stupid desert anymore. There's all kind, just like the rest of the population. One size doesn't fit all.
I don't believe I would have made a huge issue with someone over a counterfeit $20 bill. He could have gotten it in change or even from a bank. Of course we don't know who initiated making a big deal out of it. That part hasn't been seen. The deceased was a big tough bouncer type but it seems 4 police could've gotten him up and loaded a handcuffed person. If not why not shackle his ankles and wait on more help?
You think that the counterfeit 20$ bill was his first and only brush with the law ?
Can we “speculate “ that he had outstanding warrants. Can we “speculate “ that he had a history of violence ?
We can speculate that you like the cock too....
Laffin...
All you’ capable of is speculation and getting your asss handed back to you.
I don't believe I would have made a huge issue with someone over a counterfeit $20 bill. He could have gotten it in change or even from a bank. Of course we don't know who initiated making a big deal out of it. That part hasn't been seen. The deceased was a big tough bouncer type but it seems 4 police could've gotten him up and loaded a handcuffed person. If not why not shackle his ankles and wait on more help?
You think that the counterfeit 20$ bill was his first and only brush with the law ?
Can we “speculate “ that he had outstanding warrants. Can we “speculate “ that he had a history of violence ?
How about some evidence for your claims?
The point is and being,,,,wait on the facts. Much of what’s been said here is speculation.
I think that you know this.
Unless you, personally, already have ALL of the facts and if so do be kind enough to list them.
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
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Police officers in Minneapolis earn an annual mean salary of $64,160 according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.2 The starting salary for new officers is between $54,504 and $69,565, depending on experience and qualifications.1 Police officers with the Minneapolis Police Department also have access to a generous benefits package which includes health insurance, dental insurance, life insurance, a pension plan, annual vacation time, sick leave, and paid holidays. Police officers who have accrued eight years of service with the MPD are eligible for additional longevity pay. The city of Minneapolis offers all eligible police officers a complimentary health club membership and reimbursement for uniforms is available. As of 2015, approximately 5,430 police officers worked in the Minneapolis metropolitan area.2
Many departments require or prefer a college degree. More would except for claims that such requirements discriminate against minorities. As an aside, the police and fire chiefs in the small midwestern city where I lived during my working years both had PhDs. My brother was a detective in a large east coast county and he told me in a conversation some 30 years ago that detectives pulled down over $100K.
The Bumfug PD with $35K and a GED isn't the model for the entire country, certainly not a major metropolis like Minneapolis.
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
Most any cop in a major city is making six figures.
You really are an idiot.
The mean MPD salary is $60k-$64k, depending on which source you believe.
You don't hit 6 figures in Denver, CO until you are a detective or sergeant. Mean salary there, $70k.
Los Angeles: $63k
St Louis,.Mo: $56k
Seattle, Wa: $61k
I could go on and on. Generally speaking, and salary over about $80k falls outside of the 90th percentile.
Starting salary for a police officer here in a mid sized city is about $65k plus full benefits and goes up from there. Average is about $80k. Same with fire fighters. I know because I work with them every day. If you were to monetize the benefits, it would be like $100k without benefits.
Serious question here- - - - -not pot-stirring. At what point would a deadly-force intervention by a private citizen be justified to prevent a uniformed officer from committing murder? Would beating an unconscious, non-resisting, and restrained person with a baton be sufficient cause for at least shooting to stop the threat, or would drawing a weapon and placing it against the head of a helpless detainee justify an armed response? At what point, if any, should a CCW carrier be compelled to fire on a rogue cop? Jerry
The best gig here is being a firefighter. I wouldn't want to do it in a big city like NYC, but here, I know guys who went their entire career and never went to a real fire, other than some dumbass who burned up his stove with too much grease. When he was still early in high school, I tried to take my nephew under my wing and convince him to volunteer at the local station, get his EMT stuff done and be prepared to apply for a full time position. He would have been able to retire at about 50 years old with a full pension and benefits. He was smarter than me though and he's 26 years old, living in his Mom's house and making 16 bucks an hour packing fish all day now.
The best gig here is being a firefighter. I wouldn't want to do it in a big city like NYC, but here, I know guys who went their entire career and never went to a real fire, other than some dumbass who burned up his stove with too much grease.
Some truth there. More than pay, fire unions really push for more time off. They say it is to spend time with their families, which may be true enough, but the big reason is to work at another job, in some cases owning a very profitable business.
I've thought that if I were a young dude, I might become a firefighter, use my time off to get a degree (maybe study on the job), and then an advanced degree like law or a CPA, then use my time off to open a practice. Little overhead, as you'd have insurance and a retirement guaranteed. Retire from the fire department as soon as eligible, then have another decade or so to practice your profession.
The best gig here is being a firefighter. I wouldn't want to do it in a big city like NYC, but here, I know guys who went their entire career and never went to a real fire, other than some dumbass who burned up his stove with too much grease.
Some truth there. More than pay, fire unions really push for more time off. They say it is to spend time with their families, which may be true enough, but the big reason is to work at another job, in some cases owning a very profitable business.
I've thought that if I were a young dude, I might become a firefighter, use my time off to get a degree (maybe study on the job), and then an advanced degree like law or a CPA, then use my time off to open a practice. Little overhead, as you'd have insurance and a retirement guaranteed. Retire from the fire department as soon as eligible, then have another decade or so to practice your profession.
Paul
That would be a great plan. The other big perk is that the guys here work a 24 hour shift and get 2-3 days off. And if they swap duty days with a friend, they can get 4-5 days off in a row. Pretty nice if you are into camping, hunting or doing multi day trips. They like to whine about having to be there for 24 hours, but give them schitt and ask them if they would rather sit off the coast of Iraq for 4 months at a time like I did. They usually shut up and feel good about their situation then.
At one point in my life I used to go to breakfast with the police chief where I lived at the time. He actually started out as a firefighter, then after about a year became a cop.
I told him that was proof positive that he wasn't very smart. He was a really good guy, though.
At one point in my life I used to go to breakfast with the police chief where I lived at the time. He actually started out as a firefighter, then after about a year became a cop.
I told him that was proof positive that he wasn't very smart. He was a really good guy, though.
The guy I mentioned was a firefighter for just about a year, so wouldn't have a retirement from that gig. However, another good plan is for a cop to achieve command rank, say captain, retire as soon as eligible, then go to another state and become chief of a smaller dept. Set up for two pensions, nice double dip. I've known a few who have done that.
They say you can't get rich being in the police or fire service, but the opportunity is there for somebody who is smart and ambitious.
There's a retired NYC firefighter who shoots at our range. He sure has some nice toys, but he talks funny.
I don't believe I would have made a huge issue with someone over a counterfeit $20 bill. He could have gotten it in change or even from a bank. Of course we don't know who initiated making a big deal out of it. That part hasn't been seen. The deceased was a big tough bouncer type but it seems 4 police could've gotten him up and loaded a handcuffed person. If not why not shackle his ankles and wait on more help?
You think that the counterfeit 20$ bill was his first and only brush with the law ?
Can we “speculate “ that he had outstanding warrants. Can we “speculate “ that he had a history of violence ?
We can speculate that you like the cock too....
Laffin...
All you’ capable of is speculation and getting your asss handed back to you.
Pitiful joke of a human being, you are.
Still laffin at you.
Again... still waiting... do you have any evidence to support your claim lmao...
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
Most any cop in a major city is making six figures.
Overtime is generous
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This is a fact. And Travis is right. If a city cop is making less than 100k a year it's because he either doesn't want to or doesn't need the money.
I would also imagine that most retirement is based on how ever many last years wages multiplied by number of years of service times some other number depending on the location. This being the case these officers are banging the overtime without a doubt.
I took the time to watch it again and the cops didn’t cause his death. He was fighting them the whole time until he had whatever medical issue he had killed him.
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
Most any cop in a major city is making six figures.
You really are an idiot.
The mean MPD salary is $60k-$64k, depending on which source you believe.
You don't hit 6 figures in Denver, CO until you are a detective or sergeant. Mean salary there, $70k.
Los Angeles: $63k
St Louis,.Mo: $56k
Seattle, Wa: $61k
I could go on and on. Generally speaking, and salary over about $80k falls outside of the 90th percentile.
Starting salary for a police officer here in a mid sized city is about $65k plus full benefits and goes up from there. Average is about $80k. Same with fire fighters. I know because I work with them every day. If you were to monetize the benefits, it would be like $100k without benefits.
Here in Seattle it takes all of 3 1/2 years to earn $100k, not including OT and side hustles.
Entry Level Salary Once you become a sworn police officer, the salary schedule is as follows:
Sworn Police Salary Scale
STEP HOURLY MONTHLY ANNUAL STEP 1 (Sworn Ofc.) $40.06 $6,970 $83,640 STEP 2 (6 Months) $42.96 $7,475 $89,700 STEP 3 (18 Months) $44.91 $7,814 $93,768 STEP 4 (30 Months) $46.64 $8,115 $97,380 STEP 5 (42 Months) $48.98 $8,522 $102,270 STEP 6 (54 Months) $52.45 $9,126 $109,512 Overtime and compensatory time is paid at time and 1/2, with a 3-hour minimum for court and off-duty call outs.
I took the time to watch it again and the cops didn’t cause his death. He was fighting them the whole time until he had whatever medical issue he had killed him.
They sure as fug held him down as he died never once having a care in the world if the man was ok or not.
I took the time to watch it again and the cops didn’t cause his death. He was fighting them the whole time until he had whatever medical issue he had killed him.
They sure as fug held him down as he died never once having a care in the world if the man was ok or not.
A sadistic bastard with no regard to life killed the guy. Anyone who defends him is just as sick as the cop. Floyd was under control early on, and he could have been cuffed and hauled off...alive.
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
Most any cop in a major city is making six figures.
You really are an idiot.
The mean MPD salary is $60k-$64k, depending on which source you believe.
You don't hit 6 figures in Denver, CO until you are a detective or sergeant. Mean salary there, $70k.
Los Angeles: $63k
St Louis,.Mo: $56k
Seattle, Wa: $61k
I could go on and on. Generally speaking, and salary over about $80k falls outside of the 90th percentile.
Starting salary for a police officer here in a mid sized city is about $65k plus full benefits and goes up from there. Average is about $80k. Same with fire fighters. I know because I work with them every day. If you were to monetize the benefits, it would be like $100k without benefits.
Here in Seattle it takes all of 3 1/2 years to earn $100k, not including OT and side hustles.
Entry Level Salary Once you become a sworn police officer, the salary schedule is as follows:
Sworn Police Salary Scale
STEP HOURLY MONTHLY ANNUAL STEP 1 (Sworn Ofc.) $40.06 $6,970 $83,640 STEP 2 (6 Months) $42.96 $7,475 $89,700 STEP 3 (18 Months) $44.91 $7,814 $93,768 STEP 4 (30 Months) $46.64 $8,115 $97,380 STEP 5 (42 Months) $48.98 $8,522 $102,270 STEP 6 (54 Months) $52.45 $9,126 $109,512 Overtime and compensatory time is paid at time and 1/2, with a 3-hour minimum for court and off-duty call outs.
Truth of the matter is, the median take-home pay for the VAST MAJORITY of big city LEO is under $100k. In Seattle, the MEDIAN PAY is far under $100k.
It's not really something that can be disputed - the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics (and any city LEO website I looked at) lays it out pretty simply.
If you guys want to tack on "side gigs" and "120 hours of OT a week" and "lawn mowing jobs on Saturday" to get over that $100k number, knock yourselves out, I don't really care. I'm not going to argue that some cops work 120 hour weeks to get that pay up over 6 figures, because clearly there are overtime outliers and the random Bar Mitzvah security details.
I was simply pointing out that Deflave's comment that most cops in the city pull down 6 large is far from the truth.
I took the time to watch it again and the cops didn’t cause his death. He was fighting them the whole time until he had whatever medical issue he had killed him.
They sure as fug held him down as he died never once having a care in the world if the man was ok or not.
A sadistic bastard with no regard to life killed the guy. Anyone who defends him is just as sick as the cop. Floyd was under control early on, and he could have been cuffed and hauled off...alive.
Honest to God ,I swear there must be another video that shows the police not killing this guy ! Seven minutes of the cop playing with his dick thru his pants pocket seems to show a blatant disregard for much.
To me it looks like the police present were just poking a caged tiger, and then someone opened the door and now the tigers getting revenge. I am really surprised that the crowd didn't bum rush the cop that was ignoring all of the signs of a disaster in the making !
I see either some really poor training or some sad excuses for men .
Just thinking here. If the citizens of Dresden deserved to be incinerated because of the actions of the agents of the government that they put in place, does the city of Minneapolis (and its citizens) deserve destruction because of the actions of the agents of the government that they put in place?
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
Most any cop in a major city is making six figures.
You really are an idiot.
The mean MPD salary is $60k-$64k, depending on which source you believe.
You don't hit 6 figures in Denver, CO until you are a detective or sergeant. Mean salary there, $70k.
Los Angeles: $63k
St Louis,.Mo: $56k
Seattle, Wa: $61k
I could go on and on. Generally speaking, and salary over about $80k falls outside of the 90th percentile.
Starting salary for a police officer here in a mid sized city is about $65k plus full benefits and goes up from there. Average is about $80k. Same with fire fighters. I know because I work with them every day. If you were to monetize the benefits, it would be like $100k without benefits.
Here in Seattle it takes all of 3 1/2 years to earn $100k, not including OT and side hustles.
Entry Level Salary Once you become a sworn police officer, the salary schedule is as follows:
Sworn Police Salary Scale
STEP HOURLY MONTHLY ANNUAL STEP 1 (Sworn Ofc.) $40.06 $6,970 $83,640 STEP 2 (6 Months) $42.96 $7,475 $89,700 STEP 3 (18 Months) $44.91 $7,814 $93,768 STEP 4 (30 Months) $46.64 $8,115 $97,380 STEP 5 (42 Months) $48.98 $8,522 $102,270 STEP 6 (54 Months) $52.45 $9,126 $109,512 Overtime and compensatory time is paid at time and 1/2, with a 3-hour minimum for court and off-duty call outs.
Truth of the matter is, the median take-home pay for the VAST MAJORITY of big city LEO is under $100k. In Seattle, the MEDIAN PAY is far under $100k.
It's not really something that can be disputed - the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics (and any city LEO website I looked at) lays it out pretty simply.
If you guys want to tack on "side gigs" and "120 hours of OT a week" and "lawn mowing jobs on Saturday" to get over that $100k number, knock yourselves out, I don't really care. I'm not going to argue that some cops work 120 hour weeks to get that pay up over 6 figures, because clearly there are overtime outliers and the random Bar Mitzvah security details.
I was simply pointing out that Deflave's comment that most cops in the city pull down 6 large is far from the truth.
It’s not. Those numbers are directly from the Seattle PD web page.
Just thinking here. If the citizens of Dresden deserved to be incinerated because of the actions of the agents of the government that they put in place, does the city of Minneapolis (and its citizens) deserve destruction because of the actions of the agents of the government that they put in place?
Those cops are done, what do you expect for $35k and a GED?
Most any cop in a major city is making six figures.
You really are an idiot.
The mean MPD salary is $60k-$64k, depending on which source you believe.
You don't hit 6 figures in Denver, CO until you are a detective or sergeant. Mean salary there, $70k.
Los Angeles: $63k
St Louis,.Mo: $56k
Seattle, Wa: $61k
I could go on and on. Generally speaking, and salary over about $80k falls outside of the 90th percentile.
Starting salary for a police officer here in a mid sized city is about $65k plus full benefits and goes up from there. Average is about $80k. Same with fire fighters. I know because I work with them every day. If you were to monetize the benefits, it would be like $100k without benefits.
Here in Seattle it takes all of 3 1/2 years to earn $100k, not including OT and side hustles.
Entry Level Salary Once you become a sworn police officer, the salary schedule is as follows:
Sworn Police Salary Scale
STEP HOURLY MONTHLY ANNUAL STEP 1 (Sworn Ofc.) $40.06 $6,970 $83,640 STEP 2 (6 Months) $42.96 $7,475 $89,700 STEP 3 (18 Months) $44.91 $7,814 $93,768 STEP 4 (30 Months) $46.64 $8,115 $97,380 STEP 5 (42 Months) $48.98 $8,522 $102,270 STEP 6 (54 Months) $52.45 $9,126 $109,512 Overtime and compensatory time is paid at time and 1/2, with a 3-hour minimum for court and off-duty call outs.
Truth of the matter is, the median take-home pay for the VAST MAJORITY of big city LEO is under $100k. In Seattle, the MEDIAN PAY is far under $100k.
It's not really something that can be disputed - the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics (and any city LEO website I looked at) lays it out pretty simply.
If you guys want to tack on "side gigs" and "120 hours of OT a week" and "lawn mowing jobs on Saturday" to get over that $100k number, knock yourselves out, I don't really care. I'm not going to argue that some cops work 120 hour weeks to get that pay up over 6 figures, because clearly there are overtime outliers and the random Bar Mitzvah security details.
I was simply pointing out that Deflave's comment that most cops in the city pull down 6 large is far from the truth.
It’s not. Those numbers are directly from the Seattle PD web page.
Well...Seattle is hardly a Major City when you get right down to it.....
I took the time to watch it again and the cops didn’t cause his death. He was fighting them the whole time until he had whatever medical issue he had killed him.
Maybe like the blocked carotid artery from a knee on it? Make another lame excuse.
I took the time to watch it again and the cops didn’t cause his death. He was fighting them the whole time until he had whatever medical issue he had killed him.
Maybe like the blocked carotid artery from a knee on it? Make another lame excuse.
If he had an underlying medical condition and the cop violently triggered that condition then yeah, he killed him.
Never had these before...Holy Fûck! Claw is tasty. 👍🏻😎
And healthy! Which was your favorite flavor in the pack?
And for women.
Yep.women like alcohol too.
I've had a couple when I ran out of beer out on the boat, they're not bad but I won't pay what the want for them, could get a case of bud light for the same money.
I've had a couple when I ran out of beer out on the boat, they're not bad but I won't pay what the want for them, could get a case of bud light for the same money.
If it weren't for my gluten handicap I'd have never quit beer and likely mocked the 'claw drinkers myself.
But a man's got to work within his limitations. I've actually come to like them a lot, but not the price for sure.
As to you other haters, if you're such a simpering bitch that you let your choice of libations define you, well, Salud! Skol! Cheers!
I looked up the 'gredients. Real cane sugar even. And gluten free!! (if one distills wheat mash is there gluten in the distillate?)
Almost wish I still was a drinkin' man.......................They have to be better than Bartles and James.
They don't really count as alcohol. No law when you drink the 'claw. Or something like that. I won't tell anyone if you sneak one. And yes, they are light years better than B&J.
I've had a couple when I ran out of beer out on the boat, they're not bad but I won't pay what the want for them, could get a case of bud light for the same money.
If it weren't for my gluten handicap I'd have never quit beer and likely mocked the 'claw drinkers myself.
But a man's got to work within his limitations. I've actually come to like them a lot, but not the price for sure.
As to you other haters, if you're such a simpering bitch that you let your choice of libations define you, well, Salud! Skol! Cheers!
I've had a couple when I ran out of beer out on the boat, they're not bad but I won't pay what the want for them, could get a case of bud light for the same money.
If it weren't for my gluten handicap I'd have never quit beer and likely mocked the 'claw drinkers myself.
But a man's got to work within his limitations. I've actually come to like them a lot, but not the price for sure.
As to you other haters, if you're such a simpering bitch that you let your choice of libations define you, well, Salud! Skol! Cheers!
Celiac?
Not that bad. I can cheat, but if I over do it I get all kinds of problems like hives, shidt your brains out, swell all up, feel like hell.
I've had a couple when I ran out of beer out on the boat, they're not bad but I won't pay what the want for them, could get a case of bud light for the same money.
If it weren't for my gluten handicap I'd have never quit beer and likely mocked the 'claw drinkers myself.
But a man's got to work within his limitations. I've actually come to like them a lot, but not the price for sure.
As to you other haters, if you're such a simpering bitch that you let your choice of libations define you, well, Salud! Skol! Cheers!
Celiac?
Not that bad. I can cheat, but if I over do it I get all kinds of problems like hives, shidt your brains out, swell all up, feel like hell.
Dang, that would really really really suck.
I'm 1/4 Italian...............I'd roll over and die within a week without bread, pasta, and "cakes' of some sort.
I had to try that diet for a bit awhile back to see if that was what was causing "issues". Nope, that fortunately wasn't the problem.
Pizza and birthday cake last night, I am a happy man.
BGG, don't cheat too much or often, them symptoms don't sound like any fun at all...........especially if you're having a hard morning after from the Claw.
The other two are both in the same category as one another, but not near as good as 1 and 2.
I agree mostly. Had this discussion on here not too far back, and as I recall poster JTMan said he preferred the grapefruit, whereas I at the time preferred the Lime. I have since come around to the conclusion that the grapefruit is above the lime in the pecking order. I place the cherry last, which is surprising as I usually like cherry flavored stuff.
Brother irFubar stopped by the other day and said he enjoyed the taste of the rasberry one he drank. (BTW he has a 458 win that is erection inducing).
Never had these before...Holy Fûck! Claw is tasty. 👍🏻😎
And healthy! Which was your favorite flavor in the pack?
1 Grapefruit 2 Lime
The other two are both in the same category as one another, but not near as good as 1 and 2.
ETA: I have cut back a bunch on drinking them, they are very expensive. Nothing wrong with splurging once in a while though.
How difficult would it be to get a Soda Stream, some Everclear or shine, some fruit juices, and maybe some "cane sugar" and make your own for a lot less $$$$?
They should gotten a lawn chair , an iPad , and a cold brew out for the gentleman while waiting for backup to arrive.
Four cops there. How the hell much backup did they "kneed"?
There were more like 6 cops there. They should have just shoved the doosh in the back of the vehicle and been done with it.
If the dead guy was passing fake 20's and knew it he could be qualified as a douche, but the cop didn;t know if that was fact or not as he walked up to a man sitting in a car who maybe didn't have a clue WTF was going on. Your blueline mentality is showing and that's exactly what people don't care much for.
The other two are both in the same category as one another, but not near as good as 1 and 2.
I agree mostly. Had this discussion on here not too far back, and as I recall poster JTMan said he preferred the grapefruit, whereas I at the time preferred the Lime. I have since come around to the conclusion that the grapefruit is above the lime in the pecking order. I place the cherry last, which is surprising as I usually like cherry flavored stuff.
Brother irFubar stopped by the other day and said he enjoyed the taste of the rasberry one he drank. (BTW he has a 458 win that is erection inducing).
Never shot one, but can imagine the kick might make one's erection either lessen or get harder!
The other two are both in the same category as one another, but not near as good as 1 and 2.
I agree mostly. Had this discussion on here not too far back, and as I recall poster JTMan said he preferred the grapefruit, whereas I at the time preferred the Lime. I have since come around to the conclusion that the grapefruit is above the lime in the pecking order. I place the cherry last, which is surprising as I usually like cherry flavored stuff.
Brother irFubar stopped by the other day and said he enjoyed the taste of the rasberry one he drank. (BTW he has a 458 win that is erection inducing).
Never shot one, but can imagine the kick might make one's erection either lessen or get harder!
Alas, it was precipitating and we didn't pop any primers. But fondling it was enough.
They should gotten a lawn chair , an iPad , and a cold brew out for the gentleman while waiting for backup to arrive.
Four cops there. How the hell much backup did they "kneed"?
There were more like 6 cops there. They should have just shoved the doosh in the back of the vehicle and been done with it.
If the dead guy was passing fake 20's and knew it he could be qualified as a douche, but the cop didn;t know if that was fact or not as he walked up to a man sitting in a car who maybe didn't have a clue WTF was going on. Your blueline mentality is showing and that's exactly what people don't care much for.
Given the option, if I was in custody, I think I would rather be sitting in the back of a cop car than on cold steel in the morgue, whether I did something wrong or not.
They should gotten a lawn chair , an iPad , and a cold brew out for the gentleman while waiting for backup to arrive.
Four cops there. How the hell much backup did they "kneed"?
There were more like 6 cops there. They should have just shoved the doosh in the back of the vehicle and been done with it.
If the dead guy was passing fake 20's and knew it he could be qualified as a douche, but the cop didn;t know if that was fact or not as he walked up to a man sitting in a car who maybe didn't have a clue WTF was going on. Your blueline mentality is showing and that's exactly what people don't care much for.
Given the option, if I was in custody, I think I would rather be sitting in the back of a cop car than on cold steel in the morgue, whether I did something wrong or not.
Never had these before...Holy Fûck! Claw is tasty. 👍🏻😎
And healthy! Which was your favorite flavor in the pack?
Gruff, I’m liking the grapefruit, but flavor is good. It’s just become a household staple. It also makes the short list for hunting. Riding proudly next to my PBR’s.
They should gotten a lawn chair , an iPad , and a cold brew out for the gentleman while waiting for backup to arrive.
Four cops there. How the hell much backup did they "kneed"?
There were more like 6 cops there. They should have just shoved the doosh in the back of the vehicle and been done with it.
If the dead guy was passing fake 20's and knew it he could be qualified as a douche, but the cop didn;t know if that was fact or not as he walked up to a man sitting in a car who maybe didn't have a clue WTF was going on. Your blueline mentality is showing and that's exactly what people don't care much for.
Given the option, if I was in custody, I think I would rather be sitting in the back of a cop car than on cold steel in the morgue, whether I did something wrong or not.
Typical LE response,
It is really hard to believe what two different men can see while watching the same video !
They should gotten a lawn chair , an iPad , and a cold brew out for the gentleman while waiting for backup to arrive.
Four cops there. How the hell much backup did they "kneed"?
There were more like 6 cops there. They should have just shoved the doosh in the back of the vehicle and been done with it.
If the dead guy was passing fake 20's and knew it he could be qualified as a douche, but the cop didn;t know if that was fact or not as he walked up to a man sitting in a car who maybe didn't have a clue WTF was going on. Your blueline mentality is showing and that's exactly what people don't care much for.
Given the option, if I was in custody, I think I would rather be sitting in the back of a cop car than on cold steel in the morgue, whether I did something wrong or not.
Typical LE response,
Interesting response since I've never been in law enforcement. Also, in reply to your "blueline mentality", I've said in multiple posts in the thread that I thought the cops mishandled the situation. I even said they may be guilty of negligent homicide. Hardly comments from someone who blindly throws support behind cops.
Never had these before...Holy Fûck! Claw is tasty. 👍🏻😎
And healthy! Which was your favorite flavor in the pack?
1 Grapefruit 2 Lime
The other two are both in the same category as one another, but not near as good as 1 and 2.
ETA: I have cut back a bunch on drinking them, they are very expensive. Nothing wrong with splurging once in a while though.
How difficult would it be to get a Soda Stream, some Everclear or shine, some fruit juices, and maybe some "cane sugar" and make your own for a lot less $$$$?
It’s the part about blowing my house up running a still.
Much easier to buy 6 boxes and a bottle of Clear,,,,Mix to your liking. Hint....😎
Never had these before...Holy Fûck! Claw is tasty. 👍🏻😎
And healthy! Which was your favorite flavor in the pack?
1 Grapefruit 2 Lime
The other two are both in the same category as one another, but not near as good as 1 and 2.
ETA: I have cut back a bunch on drinking them, they are very expensive. Nothing wrong with splurging once in a while though.
How difficult would it be to get a Soda Stream, some Everclear or shine, some fruit juices, and maybe some "cane sugar" and make your own for a lot less $$$$?
It’s the part about blowing my house up running a still.
Much easier to buy 6 boxes and a bottle of Clear,,,,Mix to your liking. Hint....😎
No need to run the still at your house dude.
Lots of forest up in them hills. A fella can grow dope up there, why not cook some shine?
Of course, one could just buy some Safeway seltzers and grain alcohol and go to town too.
Today is a Claw day at work...*73 degrees off a hot roof and they go down fast...
Plus, liquid courage painting high and around power feed lines to the house. Claw is helpful.
😎
I'm with you bro but no claw. In a bee suit, Africanized bees trying to kill me, it's 105, and I'm on the big guy 30' up. Now headed to a 50 foot power pole with bees...
Si. Big thick sting proof gloves too that don't breathe...
That's gin and tonic conditions if I ever there was one.
I'm also cutting the roof open, removing 100+ pounds of honeycomb, the roof repair, then tile replacement. From a ladder...grin..
I've helped/messed with bees some. But on a ladder no way Jose.
Do you do anything with the honeycomb or do you spray before you get into it?
Gotta kill it. All killer bees down here. Dangerous enough just doing that...
I fill up a three yard dumpster weekly...
Figured. When I was down there the word was all bees were africanized. No idea of the veracity, but sounded believable. Been on trails out in the desert and heard the humm pretty loud a couple times from far enough out I never got tagged. Had a swarm on my porch one time that kept the wife and kid in the house till I got home and it cooled off. Nothing like what you deal with, these were all exposed and and bunched up tight, I had a can in each hand and as one layer fell off I hit the next before they could get mobile. I was paranoid, but had helped my old man with regular honeybees as a kid and thought I kinda knew what I was doing lol.
Si. Big thick sting proof gloves too that don't breathe...
That's gin and tonic conditions if I ever there was one.
I'm also cutting the roof open, removing 100+ pounds of honeycomb, the roof repair, then tile replacement. From a ladder...grin..
I've helped/messed with bees some. But on a ladder no way Jose.
Do you do anything with the honeycomb or do you spray before you get into it?
Gotta kill it. All killer bees down here. Dangerous enough just doing that...
I fill up a three yard dumpster weekly...
Figured. When I was down there the word was all bees were africanized. No idea of the veracity, but sounded believable. Been on trails out in the desert and heard the humm pretty loud a couple times from far enough out I never got tagged. Had a swarm on my porch one time that kept the wife and kid in the house till I got home and it cooled off. Nothing like what you deal with, these were all exposed and and bunched up tight, I had a can in each hand and as one layer fell off I hit the next before they could get mobile. I was paranoid, but had helped my old man with regular honeybees as a kid and thought I kinda knew what I was doing lol.
I see a lot of that....
Spray foam, cans of empty spray, and swollen faces hiding inside waiting on me......grin
Si. Big thick sting proof gloves too that don't breathe...
That's gin and tonic conditions if I ever there was one.
I'm also cutting the roof open, removing 100+ pounds of honeycomb, the roof repair, then tile replacement. From a ladder...grin..
I've helped/messed with bees some. But on a ladder no way Jose.
Do you do anything with the honeycomb or do you spray before you get into it?
Gotta kill it. All killer bees down here. Dangerous enough just doing that...
I fill up a three yard dumpster weekly...
Figured. When I was down there the word was all bees were africanized. No idea of the veracity, but sounded believable. Been on trails out in the desert and heard the humm pretty loud a couple times from far enough out I never got tagged. Had a swarm on my porch one time that kept the wife and kid in the house till I got home and it cooled off. Nothing like what you deal with, these were all exposed and and bunched up tight, I had a can in each hand and as one layer fell off I hit the next before they could get mobile. I was paranoid, but had helped my old man with regular honeybees as a kid and thought I kinda knew what I was doing lol.
I see a lot of that....
Spray foam, cans of empty spray, and swollen faces hiding inside waiting on me......grin
I don't doubt it one bit. Fucgk those little bastards. Thank God they aren't up here.
So it's non conductive if you hit that incoming power line.
I hit the line and it has a breach in the jacket where I touch it with body or pole. I’m probably gonna ride the dragon to the concrete.
Livelink has a video of an idiot teenager that got cooked in the lines. He’s caught, just frying apart, foot on fire, body twitching with each current running through him.
The other two are both in the same category as one another, but not near as good as 1 and 2.
I agree mostly. Had this discussion on here not too far back, and as I recall poster JTMan said he preferred the grapefruit, whereas I at the time preferred the Lime. I have since come around to the conclusion that the grapefruit is above the lime in the pecking order. I place the cherry last, which is surprising as I usually like cherry flavored stuff.
Brother irFubar stopped by the other day and said he enjoyed the taste of the rasberry one he drank. (BTW he has a 458 win that is erection inducing).
Yep, we had that discussion. Glad you've seen the light!
So it's non conductive if you hit that incoming power line.
I hit the line and it has a breach in the jacket where I touch it with body or pole. I’m probably gonna ride the dragon to the concrete.
Livelink has a video of an idiot teenager that got cooked in the lines. He’s caught, just frying apart, foot on fire, body twitching with each current running through him.
Spectacular dumbshîttery 😎
Well, although I'm tired of the saying in these times. Stay Safe.
The only thing I really know about electricity, for sure know (experientially even), is that if one does something wrong, one gets the scheidt shocked out of them.
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
Roger.
I need to get real. Next breath you admit facts aren't in yet. Does it hurt when you bleed monthly?
Especially, When you have not done anything wrong you don’t resist arrest . Gee, I wonder why more than two cops were there in the first place. Was it because he got out of his car and complied with the officers? Hmm.......
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
Maybe, maybe, maybe. Yet your mind is closed on the matter.
I’ve seen defense lawyers get people like yourself on stand and make total fools of them which they were. It was a beautiful thing to behold.
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
Maybe, maybe, maybe. Yet your mind is closed on the matter.
I’ve seen defense lawyers get people like yourself on stand and make total fools of them which they were. It was a beautiful thing to behold.
Was that the guy that had been doing your wife? You was all upset mad about it but it wasn't his fault his buddy told him it was fun, go for it
Has anybody bothered to check into George Floyd's record? Maybe he and the badge-toting sadist have some prior history with each other. It wouldn't be the first time a cop decided to spare the community any more grief with a repeat offender. No, that doesn't make it right, but apparently the cop has a pretty checkered past- - - - -several "excessive force" complaints- - - - - -I wonder what the other side of the coin looks like. Jerry
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
Maybe, maybe, maybe. Yet your mind is closed on the matter.
I’ve seen defense lawyers get people like yourself on stand and make total fools of them which they were. It was a beautiful thing to behold.
Was that the guy that had been doing your wife? You was all upset mad about it but it wasn't his fault his buddy told him it was fun, go for it
Has anybody bothered to check into George Floyd's record? Maybe he and the badge-toting sadist have some prior history with each other. It wouldn't be the first time a cop decided to spare the community any more grief with a repeat offender. No, that doesn't make it right, but apparently the cop has a pretty checkered past- - - - -several "excessive force" complaints- - - - - -I wonder what the other side of the coin looks like. Jerry
How dare you ask such a thing and allude to a besmirch of Mr. Floyd.
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
Maybe, maybe, maybe. Yet your mind is closed on the matter.
I’ve seen defense lawyers get people like yourself on stand and make total fools of them which they were. It was a beautiful thing to behold.
Was that the guy that had been doing your wife? You was all upset mad about it but it wasn't his fault his buddy told him it was fun, go for it
Ohh that’s real classy. You’re a real neat gal.
You have been fugging with me for awhile, enough already, so eat chit and die
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
Maybe, maybe, maybe. Yet your mind is closed on the matter.
I’ve seen defense lawyers get people like yourself on stand and make total fools of them which they were. It was a beautiful thing to behold.
Was that the guy that had been doing your wife? You was all upset mad about it but it wasn't his fault his buddy told him it was fun, go for it
Ohh that’s real classy. You’re a real neat gal.
You have been fugging with me for awhile, enough already, so eat chit and die
Po, Po Baby . Hurt feelings.
Please accept my apologies for calling you to task on the bullscchitt you’ve been spouting.
You are a real classy gal. Grow up as soon as you can.
Has anybody bothered to check into George Floyd's record? Maybe he and the badge-toting sadist have some prior history with each other. It wouldn't be the first time a cop decided to spare the community any more grief with a repeat offender. No, that doesn't make it right, but apparently the cop has a pretty checkered past- - - - -several "excessive force" complaints- - - - - -I wonder what the other side of the coin looks like. Jerry
Has anybody bothered to check into George Floyd's record? Maybe he and the badge-toting sadist have some prior history with each other. It wouldn't be the first time a cop decided to spare the community any more grief with a repeat offender. No, that doesn't make it right, but apparently the cop has a pretty checkered past- - - - -several "excessive force" complaints- - - - - -I wonder what the other side of the coin looks like. Jerry
he was from Houston tx, had gone up there to get a job. don't think he would have had history with the officer.
Has anybody bothered to check into George Floyd's record? Maybe he and the badge-toting sadist have some prior history with each other. It wouldn't be the first time a cop decided to spare the community any more grief with a repeat offender. No, that doesn't make it right, but apparently the cop has a pretty checkered past- - - - -several "excessive force" complaints- - - - - -I wonder what the other side of the coin looks like. Jerry
Funny, I was driving today and had Hannity on the radio. I usually don't listen to him. He kept saying that Floyd was a good clean living innocent Christian man with no criminal history. Just like the rest of the MSM.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Has anybody bothered to check into George Floyd's record? Maybe he and the badge-toting sadist have some prior history with each other. It wouldn't be the first time a cop decided to spare the community any more grief with a repeat offender. No, that doesn't make it right, but apparently the cop has a pretty checkered past- - - - -several "excessive force" complaints- - - - - -I wonder what the other side of the coin looks like. Jerry
At least 5 years behind bars for a violent felony. Drugs too, of course. Clean since 2014, or at least not caught.
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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Has anybody bothered to check into George Floyd's record? Maybe he and the badge-toting sadist have some prior history with each other. It wouldn't be the first time a cop decided to spare the community any more grief with a repeat offender. No, that doesn't make it right, but apparently the cop has a pretty checkered past- - - - -several "excessive force" complaints- - - - - -I wonder what the other side of the coin looks like. Jerry
Take a wild guess that he had an outstanding warrant for violating probation, or a failure to appear for a felony charge when they ran his criminal history as they do with every encounter.
Originally Posted by deflave
The police that just ran checks had no idea of his criminal history prior to the arrest.
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
He did one thing wrong, he refused to comply, and that always leads to bruises or worse.
The fact remains, to me at least, that after a couple Of minutes of the video, Floyd was no longer a threat. We don’t know how long the cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck prior to the start of the video, but we know he kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes after the video started. So what, ten minutes at least? Even if there was serious stuff before the video started, the threat had ended long before he died. So the cop should see a long time behind bars. And Floyd’s family just won the litigation lottery.
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Nose clean, sure...But in lieu of that.....How about basic “I don’t want my ass kicked by the cop’s survival training”?
Follow police instructions. Keep your mouth shut and let them do their investigation, however stupid it might be.
You know, the same survival tactics most white boys use to prevent face meeting concrete with a knee on the back of a neck.
The fact remains, to me at least, that after a couple Of minutes of the video, Floyd was no longer a threat. We don’t know how long the cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck prior to the start of the video, but we know he kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes after the video started. So what, ten minutes at least? Even if there was serious stuff before the video started, the threat had ended long before he died. So the cop should see a long time behind bars. And Floyd’s family just won the litigation lottery.
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That's an initial analysis But ill wait for all of the facts and evidence and final investigation to come out before I draw my conclusion.
The fact remains, to me at least, that after a couple Of minutes of the video, Floyd was no longer a threat. We don’t know how long the cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck prior to the start of the video, but we know he kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes after the video started. So what, ten minutes at least? Even if there was serious stuff before the video started, the threat had ended long before he died. So the cop should see a long time behind bars. And Floyd’s family just won the litigation lottery.
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That's an initial analysis But ill wait for all of the facts and evidence and final investigation to come out before I draw my conclusion.
I get it, rush to judgement. It’s tough to look at minutes 3-10, though.
The fact remains, to me at least, that after a couple Of minutes of the video, Floyd was no longer a threat. We don’t know how long the cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck prior to the start of the video, but we know he kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes after the video started. So what, ten minutes at least? Even if there was serious stuff before the video started, the threat had ended long before he died. So the cop should see a long time behind bars. And Floyd’s family just won the litigation lottery.
P
That's an initial analysis But ill wait for all of the facts and evidence and final investigation to come out before I draw my conclusion.
I get it, rush to judgement. It’s tough to look at minutes 3-10, though.
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I know. That bro kept saying “Bro”. It was hard to watch.
The fact remains, to me at least, that after a couple Of minutes of the video, Floyd was no longer a threat. We don’t know how long the cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck prior to the start of the video, but we know he kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes after the video started. So what, ten minutes at least? Even if there was serious stuff before the video started, the threat had ended long before he died. So the cop should see a long time behind bars. And Floyd’s family just won the litigation lottery.
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That's an initial analysis But ill wait for all of the facts and evidence and final investigation to come out before I draw my conclusion.
I get it, rush to judgement. It’s tough to look at minutes 3-10, though.
P
I know. That bro kept saying “Bro”. It was hard to watch.
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Nose clean, sure...But in lieu of that.....How about basic “I don’t want my ass kicked by the cop’s survival training”?
Follow police instructions. Keep your mouth shut and let them do their investigation, however stupid it might be.
You know, the same survival tactics most white boys use to prevent face meeting concrete with a knee on the back of a neck.
News Flash...The autopsy is done! Ed Henry interviewing McEnany on Faux News did it early this morning. Ed, "just sickening to see this man choked to death". Thanks Ed, you are quite the little multi-tasker.
The fact remains, to me at least, that after a couple Of minutes of the video, Floyd was no longer a threat. We don’t know how long the cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck prior to the start of the video, but we know he kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes after the video started. So what, ten minutes at least? Even if there was serious stuff before the video started, the threat had ended long before he died. So the cop should see a long time behind bars. And Floyd’s family just won the litigation lottery.
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That's an initial analysis But ill wait for all of the facts and evidence and final investigation to come out before I draw my conclusion.
I get it, rush to judgement. It’s tough to look at minutes 3-10, though.
P
I know. That bro kept saying “Bro”. It was hard to watch.
Never had these before...Holy Fûck! Claw is tasty. 👍🏻😎
And healthy! Which was your favorite flavor in the pack?
I’ve been hooked on Cayman Jack Moscow Mule.
I get a 20oz can of lime and ginger goodness for about $2.50 from the corner store. It’s fairly weak sauce at 5.8% but tasty as all get out. Drink it on ice or right outta the can. Supposedly glutard friendly to boot.
I get a 20oz can of lime and ginger goodness for about $2.50 from the corner store. It’s fairly weak sauce at 5.8% but tasty as all get out. Drink it on ice or right outta the can. Supposedly glutard friendly to boot.
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
He did one thing wrong, he refused to comply, and that always leads to bruises or worse.
I have seen several videos none show much if any failure to comply, maybe I missed it. Is there any evidence he refused to comply beyond what LE says?
400 People Have Been Shot and Killed by Police in 2020
How many thousands do you suppose have been beat severely when no video was recording?
Don't care if it sounds callous - thats an average of less than 3 per day out of how many millions of police interactions taking place per year? Pretty good odds you stay alive if you keep your nose clean.
Get real He may have we don't know but so far the guy killed in MN maybe hadn't done a damn thing wrong
He did one thing wrong, he refused to comply, and that always leads to bruises or worse.
I have seen several videos none show much if any failure to comply, maybe I missed it. Is there any evidence he refused to comply beyond what LE says?
The fact remains, to me at least, that after a couple Of minutes of the video, Floyd was no longer a threat. We don’t know how long the cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck prior to the start of the video, but we know he kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes after the video started. So what, ten minutes at least? Even if there was serious stuff before the video started, the threat had ended long before he died. So the cop should see a long time behind bars. And Floyd’s family just won the litigation lottery.
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That's an initial analysis But ill wait for all of the facts and evidence and final investigation to come out before I draw my conclusion.
I get it, rush to judgement. It’s tough to look at minutes 3-10, though.
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I have no beef with police. I grew up next to one I looked up to and was all set to go to college to be one at one point. But that cops got a pretty salty record from what I've seen. 15 excessive force complaints, involved in 4 shootings, part of a chase that 3 ended up dead in. I don't give a flying $hit what reason he had. He didn't have a reason to kneel with his and his gears weight on that guys neck for 10 minutes. The guy was cuffed and belly down. Should they be burning the city down hell no. But if you, me , or anyone else did that without a badge on we would be rotting in a jail cell.
While he's watching his city burn on the TV maybe the mayor could come up with the notion of browsing the police department personnel files for the incidents that mark those officers that should not be officers. They tend to leave tracks usually found by hindsight, but no reason one couldn't see them coming. In these cases proper pruning must be merciless.
While he's watching his city burn on the TV maybe the mayor could come up with the notion of browsing the police department personnel files for the incidents that mark those officers that should not be officers. They tend to leave tracks usually found by hindsight, but no reason one couldn't see them coming. In these cases proper pruning must be merciless.
Fock all the government employee unions. They have been the ruination of responsible and affordable government, and that includes LEO unions.
Blacks killing each other is a societal norm and just the way of things in the hood. Blacks killing whites is “black rage” over centuries of oppression. Flip the script and the outrage ensues.
Is that stream of liquid that appears to be piss coming from his body is what it looks like, then yes, he died and his body relaxed, releasing that at death.
Is that stream of liquid that appears to be piss coming from his body is what it looks like, then yes, he died and his body relaxed, releasing that at death.
Is that stream of liquid that appears to be piss coming from his body is what it looks like, then yes, he died and his body relaxed, releasing that at death.
I heard you got kicked off Bumble for c.ock photos.
While he's watching his city burn on the TV maybe the mayor could come up with the notion of browsing the police department personnel files for the incidents that mark those officers that should not be officers. They tend to leave tracks usually found by hindsight, but no reason one couldn't see them coming. In these cases proper pruning must be merciless.
Now you want an anti gun civilian, with zero investigative experience and zero training, to conduct investigations on police officers?
Remember the Michael Brown shooting and all the witnesses stated that the officer placed Michael Brown on his knees and executed him by shooting him in back of the head? Criminals would never make stuff up ya know
I'm still sticking with my original take. These are white cops subduing a black suspect and being recording on multiple cell phones.
All other arguments about guilt or the perfect amount of force or the cops intentions or when he died aside, there were 6 cops there. They should have just put him in the back of the car and questioned him there, where it wouldn't be posted as hate porn on everyone's Istagram page.
Narrative: E17 was started code-two to assist EMS on a call, then updated to code-three. Pre-arrival info stated only that pt had trauma to his mouth. E17 arrived at Cup Foods (38th & Chicago) with multiple squads on scene and small crowd of citizens. As 17s attempted to locate the patient, the crew overheard and was told by several people that the police 'had killed the man.' Bystanders were upset but not unruly. No clear info on pt or location was given by either initial pd officers or bystanders. Crew finally located an officer inside the store who stated HCMC medics had loaded the patient and relocated from the scene. E17 encountered an off-duty firefighter who had witnessed the end of the struggle and witnessed the pt go from struggling to unresponsive on the ground while handcuffed and subdued by PD. Dispatch notified E17 that medics needed Fire code-three, and E17 relocated to 36th & Park Ave. Two crew members got in ambulance. Medics had Lucas device working on an unresponsive, pulseless male. Pt had advanced airway secured; E17 took over ventilations and also assisted medics getting IV and meds prepared. Crew accompanied medics to HCMC STAB room, continuing w/ ministrations. Medics performed pulse checks several times, finding none, and delivered one shock by their monitor. Pt's condition did not change. E17 helped get pt into STAB room, continuing ventilations until relieved by ER staff.
'They were working together': Bar owner says George Floyd and Derek Chauvin worked for her as security guards by Spencer Neale | May 28, 2020 10:56 PM | Updated May 29, 2020, 01:49 AM
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A Minneapolis bar owner claims both George Floyd and Derek Chauvin, the officer who subdued Floyd with his knee, worked as security guards for her business.
Maya Santamaria told ABC 5 News reporter Eric Rasmussen that she was shocked to realize that two former employees of her south Minneapolis bar were involved in a deadly altercation that has led to riots and protests.
"They were working together at the same time," Santamaria said. "What if he could've just said, 'Hey man, you and I have worked together at Maya's place. ... Remember me?'"
Floyd died Tuesday after sustaining injuries from a police arrest during which Chauvin placed his knee on Floyd's neck.
Santamaria said she did not recognize either of the men initially from the cellphone footage but later confirmed that both of the men did, in fact, work for her during overlapping periods of employment.
"My friend said, 'This is your guy, the guy who used to work for you,' and I kept saying, 'It's not him,' and then, they did the close-up, and that's when I said, 'Oh my God, that's him!'" Santamaria said, speaking of Chauvin.
Santamaria, who clarified that she was unsure whether the two men knew each other, said that Chauvin had a "short fuse" and was quick to escalate situations at the bar.
"He sometimes had a real short fuse, and he seemed afraid when there was an altercation. He always resorted to pulling out his mace and pepper-spraying everybody right away, even when I felt it was unwarranted," Santamaria added.
Santamaria said she didn't initially recognize Floyd when she saw the video but immediately knew he was a former employee when she saw pictures of him on the news.
"I didn't recognize George as one of our security guards because he looked really different lying there like that," said Santamaria. "It wasn't until I saw the pictures of him come up. Then, it snapped."
ABC News 5 reached out to both the Minneapolis Police Department and Chauvin's attorney but did not receive a response from either party. News Minnesota Crime Minneapolis
.......The arrest of Derek Chauvin was announced by Minnesota DPS Commissioner John Harrington.
Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman has said he will announce new developments in the Floyd case at 1 p.m., suggesting that criminal charges may soon follow.
Chauvin, a 19-year veteran of Minneapolis PD, was fired on Tuesday following Floyd's death on Monday.
The arrest was made by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which has been conducting the investigation into Floyd's death.
Video taken at the scene showed Chauvin holding his knee to Floyd's neck for several minutes, with Floyd saying "help" and "I can't breathe" while he was held.
Three other officers at the scene have also been fired. At this stage there are no word on arrests of these men.
I apologize for lashing out at you. Ribka is being a disingenuous cünt. I should have lashed out at him.
be my guest and post a full length unedited video which you insisted you had. If being a [bleep] is asking for true evidence instead of doctored video on duh internets, unsubstantiated rumors embraced by gullible idiots now in 'Merica Ill gladly accept that label lol
The only full video I have seen that appeared to be unedited was the 10+ minute version with Doctor "bro" yelling in the background.
But I still haven't seen any video of the actual take down of Gentle George.
Kingston sent his secret videos of the premeditated murder of a poor black man by a racist MPD officer directly to Ilhan Omar who really has a handle on this lol
Every has seen these videos and none are a complete documentation of what happened and in fact was was obviously edited. We all know the media would never edit video to create more ratings would they?
Id love to see the body cam videos before I draw a conclusion but many of the instant internet detectives are much smarter than me I guess.
Though you were brighter than this
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by ribka
be my guest and post a full length unedited video which you insisted you had.
I never insisted anything.
I did post the three original source videos cited in this case.
be my guest and post a full length unedited video which you insisted you had. If being a [bleep] is asking for true evidence instead of doctored video on duh internets, unsubstantiated rumors embraced by gullible idiots now in 'Merica Ill gladly accept that label lol
Since you edited your post...
None of the videos I posted are versions that have been edited by secondary media sources.
I called you a disingenuous cünt. What makes you a disingenuous cünt are your pencil dick tactics. Just state your case and fück off.
Every has seen these videos and none are a complete documentation of what happened and in fact was was obviously edited. We all know the media would never edit video to create more ratings would they?
Id love to see the body cam videos before I draw a conclusion but many of the instant internet detectives are much smarter than me I guess.
Kingston sent his secret videos of the premeditated murder of a poor black man by a racist MPD officer directly to Ilhan Omar who really has a handle on this lol
I will preface it with I understand the “If I wasn’t there, I don’t know what happened assertion.
For the sake of the argument...You are Chauvin, knee on side of the big dudes neck who is cuffed.
You got two other bros helping to pin the big guy against the SUV’s tire, while Affirmative Action Asian is pulling watch.
Big mofo is saying he can’t breath...What is the situational harm in moving your knee off his neck and into another position that would allow good control of the big guy?
I'd like to know who called the ambulance and when. During the initial contact? after? by a bystander?
The ambulance showed up about 6 min. into the original vid. about 2-2:30 min after Floyd appeared to lose consciousness. That being the case and considering what response times are for ambulance service is in metropolitan areas, I'm betting LE's called it in during the beginning of contact observing the guy was not all their.
I will preface it with I understand the “If I wasn’t there, I don’t know what happened assertion.
For the sake of the argument...You are Chauvin, knee on side of the big dudes neck who is cuffed.
You got two other bros helping to pin the big guy against the SUV’s tire, while Affirmative Action Asian is pulling watch.
Big mofo is saying he can’t breath...What is the situational harm in moving your knee off his neck and into another position that would allow good control of the big guy?
😎
When doing things you thoroughly enjoy sometimes you just don't want to stop
I will preface it with I understand the “If I wasn’t there, I don’t know what happened assertion.
For the sake of the argument...You are Chauvin, knee on side of the big dudes neck who is cuffed.
You got two other bros helping to pin the big guy against the SUV’s tire, while Affirmative Action Asian is pulling watch.
Big mofo is saying he can’t breath...What is the situational harm in moving your knee off his neck and into another position that would allow good control of the big guy?
Putting one knee on the back, and the other on yo' neck, is SOP for handcuffing. And like most things that involve less lethal techniques, you have it done to yourself, as well as apply it, about 500 fugking times before you graduate any academy that's worth a fugk.
Yes it's uncomfortable, but you can breathe just fine.
Nothing in that video is alarming to me. Nothing.
Yes, Gentle George may have died due to the techniques used in that arrest, and yes that is a tragedy. But that isn't murder. If I tase you and you fall on the parking curb and die, that's not murder. If I try to hit you in the arm, and you bob and weave and it cracks your fugking skull open, that's not murder. That's just... Not good.
And everybody that has ever arrested anybody that doesn't want to be arrested, has heard the same fugking story. "I can't breathe" "My chest hurts" "I think I'm going to die" "Stop sleeping with my wife."
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.
Putting one knee on the back, and the other on yo' neck, is SOP for handcuffing. And like most things that involve less lethal techniques, you have it done to yourself, as well as apply it, about 500 fugking times before you graduate any academy that's worth a fugk.
Yes it's uncomfortable, but you can breathe just fine.
Nothing in that video is alarming to me. Nothing.
Yes, Gentle George may have died due to the techniques used in that arrest, and yes that is a tragedy. But that isn't murder. If I tase you and you fall on the parking curb and die, that's not murder. If I try to hit you in the arm, and you bob and weave and it cracks your fugking skull open, that's not murder. That's just... Not good.
And everybody that has ever arrested anybody that doesn't want to be arrested, has heard the same fugking story. "I can't breathe" "My chest hurts" "I think I'm going to die" "Stop sleeping with my wife."
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.
Putting one knee on the back, and the other on yo' neck, is SOP for handcuffing. And like most things that involve less lethal techniques, you have it done to yourself, as well as apply it, about 500 fugking times before you graduate any academy that's worth a fugk.
Yes it's uncomfortable, but you can breathe just fine.
Nothing in that video is alarming to me. Nothing.
Yes, Gentle George may have died due to the techniques used in that arrest, and yes that is a tragedy. But that isn't murder. If I tase you and you fall on the parking curb and die, that's not murder. If I try to hit you in the arm, and you bob and weave and it cracks your fugking skull open, that's not murder. That's just... Not good.
And everybody that has ever arrested anybody that doesn't want to be arrested, has heard the same fugking story. "I can't breathe" "My chest hurts" "I think I'm going to die" "Stop sleeping with my wife."
It's just part of the job.
THIS. Doesn't matter though , unless the cop gets himself a whole passel of high caliber Jewish lawyers, he's toast...
Putting one knee on the back, and the other on yo' neck, is SOP for handcuffing. And like most things that involve less lethal techniques, you have it done to yourself, as well as apply it, about 500 fugking times before you graduate any academy that's worth a fugk.
Yes it's uncomfortable, but you can breathe just fine.
Nothing in that video is alarming to me. Nothing.
Yes, Gentle George may have died due to the techniques used in that arrest, and yes that is a tragedy. But that isn't murder. If I tase you and you fall on the parking curb and die, that's not murder. If I try to hit you in the arm, and you bob and weave and it cracks your fugking skull open, that's not murder. That's just... Not good.
And everybody that has ever arrested anybody that doesn't want to be arrested, has heard the same fugking story. "I can't breathe" "My chest hurts" "I think I'm going to die" "Stop sleeping with my wife."
It's just part of the job.
"get your dick out of my ass"
I’m pretty sure too many of those Grapefruit White Claws have lead to a lot of anal - with wimmins of course.
Unless you’re Gruff, who drunk 3 boxes of Claws, then sticks his finger up his ass to see if it smells like a Grapefruit.
Disappointed when it’s just a shît finger, Gruff blames Flave.
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.
Putting one knee on the back, and the other on yo' neck, is SOP for handcuffing. And like most things that involve less lethal techniques, you have it done to yourself, as well as apply it, about 500 fugking times before you graduate any academy that's worth a fugk.
Yes it's uncomfortable, but you can breathe just fine.
Nothing in that video is alarming to me. Nothing.
Yes, Gentle George may have died due to the techniques used in that arrest, and yes that is a tragedy. But that isn't murder. If I tase you and you fall on the parking curb and die, that's not murder. If I try to hit you in the arm, and you bob and weave and it cracks your fugking skull open, that's not murder. That's just... Not good.
And everybody that has ever arrested anybody that doesn't want to be arrested, has heard the same fugking story. "I can't breathe" "My chest hurts" "I think I'm going to die" "Stop sleeping with my wife."
It's just part of the job.
THIS. Doesn't matter though , unless the cop gets himself a whole passel of high caliber Jewish lawyers, he's toast...
Working under a cûnty mayor doesn’t help, either.
The crying fûck mayor goes full frontal to the media that the cops are gonna burn for this atrocity, only to wake up to 2AM calls from his staffers saying that the Blacks are burning down his city.
Epic liberal skill on full display...Enjoy your suicide Jacob!
SHHHH Kingston has a secret video of the arrest he found on Shaniqua Bon qui qui's FB page through an exhaustive internet search that proves that the officer committed premeditated murder by kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery. lol
Originally Posted by SBTCO
Originally Posted by kingston
From the Chauvin arrest warrant...
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.
Putting one knee on the back, and the other on yo' neck, is SOP for handcuffing. And like most things that involve less lethal techniques, you have it done to yourself, as well as apply it, about 500 fugking times before you graduate any academy that's worth a fugk.
Yes it's uncomfortable, but you can breathe just fine.
Nothing in that video is alarming to me. Nothing.
Yes, Gentle George may have died due to the techniques used in that arrest, and yes that is a tragedy. But that isn't murder. If I tase you and you fall on the parking curb and die, that's not murder. If I try to hit you in the arm, and you bob and weave and it cracks your fugking skull open, that's not murder. That's just... Not good.
And everybody that has ever arrested anybody that doesn't want to be arrested, has heard the same fugking story. "I can't breathe" "My chest hurts" "I think I'm going to die" "Stop sleeping with my wife."
It's just part of the job.
THIS. Doesn't matter though , unless the cop gets himself a whole passel of high caliber Jewish lawyers, he's toast...
If you’re only kneeling on the necks and backs of healthy LE trainees, concern for the overall health status of the restrained is probably less vital.
Putting one knee on the back, and the other on yo' neck, is SOP for handcuffing. And like most things that involve less lethal techniques, you have it done to yourself, as well as apply it, about 500 fugking times before you graduate any academy that's worth a fugk.
Yes it's uncomfortable, but you can breathe just fine.
Nothing in that video is alarming to me. Nothing.
Yes, Gentle George may have died due to the techniques used in that arrest, and yes that is a tragedy. But that isn't murder. If I tase you and you fall on the parking curb and die, that's not murder. If I try to hit you in the arm, and you bob and weave and it cracks your fugking skull open, that's not murder. That's just... Not good.
And everybody that has ever arrested anybody that doesn't want to be arrested, has heard the same fugking story. "I can't breathe" "My chest hurts" "I think I'm going to die" "Stop sleeping with my wife."
It's just part of the job.
THIS. Doesn't matter though , unless the cop gets himself a whole passel of high caliber Jewish lawyers, he's toast...
If you’re only kneeling on the necks and backs of healthy LE trainees, concern for the overall health status of the restrained is probably less vital.
If you’re only kneeling on the necks and backs of healthy LE trainees, concern for the overall health status of the restrained is probably less vital.
Did Gentle George look unhealthy to you?
To me he looked like a full sized McRib eating handful.
But, that’s me one on one.
Cuff up loser, or ride the taser juice. That’s not enough - Maybe he’s ASP friendly. That not working, either, I’m wondering why my cover is slow to arrive cuz I just thoroughly pissed off Mr. McRib.
SHHHH Kingston has a secret video of the arrest he found on Shaniqua Bon qui qui's FB page through an exhaustive internet search that proves that the officer committed premeditated murder by kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery. lol
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.
"..While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe."
Huh? Hard for Chauvin to put his knee on Floyd while Floyds' standing.
Follow the link and read the report...........
I did, and read the report. The quote is from the report. Here's more in detail:
"The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver’s side.Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, sayinghe was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.
While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions."
Notice the criminal complaint, signed by the Hennepin County ADA , acknowledges that kneeling on the back area of an arrested subject is a part of police training.
His attorney will appreciate that or insisted that that be put in the document to exonerate the officer on homicide charges,
I bet a deal has already been struck with the officer and the Hennepin DA's office.
Remsen, You’re one of the good guys here. I appreciate your contributions and opinions and respect your ability to laugh at the “good natured” smart ass comments. I’m sure that your clients are well represented by a competent professional. I also like that you’re smart enough to know the good guys from the bad guys, hence your refusal to represent a certain segment of the population. 👍
Notice the criminal complaint, signed by the Hennepin County ADA , acknowledges that kneeling on the back area of an arrested subject is a part of police training.
His attorney will appreciate that or insisted that that be put in the document to exonerate the officer on homicide charges,
I bet a deal has already been struck with the officer and the Hennepin DA's office.
You think? What about the part where Chauvin stayed on top of Floyd well after there was no pulse?
Mylan Masson worked as a police officer for 20 years and ran police training for the state of Minnesota at Hennepin Technical College until 2016...
... As soon as you hear somebody can't breathe, you need to ask for medical attention, change your positioning change to see what's going on,' Masson said.
Masson said MPD also does not typically teach the 'knee on neck' technique and instead teaches 'knee into shoulder blades' as a restraint tactic.
I get a 20oz can of lime and ginger goodness for about $2.50 from the corner store. It’s fairly weak sauce at 5.8% but tasty as all get out. Drink it on ice or right outta the can. Supposedly glutard friendly to boot.
I'll look for it!
Snagged a sixer this afternoon. Damn they are good
I get a 20oz can of lime and ginger goodness for about $2.50 from the corner store. It’s fairly weak sauce at 5.8% but tasty as all get out. Drink it on ice or right outta the can. Supposedly glutard friendly to boot.
I'll look for it!
Snagged a sixer this afternoon. Damn they are good
Okay I'm in. I texted my self the name, I'll pick a few up tomorrow.
Another google genius. The photos and the charging report indicate that the officer had his knee where he was trained to place it. The video indicates that he was kneelling on upper back area. Not on his carotid as you previously stated. ( side of neck)
In case you didn't relaize Police don't attend arrest techniques training at Hennepin Technical College. lmao
Too funny
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by ribka
... kneeling on the back area of an arrested subject is a part of police training.
... What about the part where Chauvin stayed on top of Floyd well after there was no pulse?
Mylan Masson worked as a police officer for 20 years and ran police training for the state of Minnesota at Hennepin Technical College until 2016...
... As soon as you hear somebody can't breathe, you need to ask for medical attention, change your positioning change to see what's going on,' Masson said.
Masson said MPD also does not typically teach the 'knee on neck' technique and instead teaches 'knee into shoulder blades' as a restraint tactic.
Here's some more form the report(ie medical examiner):
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
Take note:
"..autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation..."
"..underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease...potential intoxicants in his system..."
A strange ignorant man wearing dress on the Internet accuse me of gayness. Now its getting funny
Marilyn or the Gay Zoro -I thought you'd celebrating the cop that was recently murdered in North Dakota. You should send a message to the dead cop's family telling them what a POS their father/ husband, son was. Bet that would put a sweet cross dresser like you in a better mood lmao
Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by ribka
At least a 100 million ID bet
Cute dress in your avatar. Looks like the Marilyn Monroe scene in the movie Some Like it Hot
In case you didn't relaize Police don't attend arrest techniques training at Hennepin Technical College. lmao
Why do you ridecule the view of a 20 yr LEO who trained people at HTC which is accredited by the Minnesota Board of Peace Officer Standards and Training...?
Originally Posted by ribka
.. The video indicates that he was kneelling on upper back area. Not on his carotid as you previously stated. ( side of neck)
How about we let the court process decide on what is seen in this image?
Here's some more form the report(ie medical examiner):
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
Take note:
"..autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation..."
"..underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease...potential intoxicants in his system..."
Sounds like a heart attack to me. Not asphyxian or stangulation. This being the case the officer may just walk. I won't say he shouldn't have recognized the symptoms and addressed them but based on this it wasn't murder or neglegent homicide. Guess we'll find out.
My nose sensed a need for my commentary. I would never represent a cop.
Makes sense.
The Duck say they only make about $60K a year.
I'd represent the Duck if he were a cop, just cause I love 8th Amendment lectures.
I'd also represent everyone here (other than the 3 or 4 idiots I have on ignore). I wouldn't win, but I'd have fun.
Test to see if I'm on ignore.
The list of those on ignore is short and specific. Leftist agitators (Paddler, for example) get ignored and scumbag poachers (the idiot who bragged about shooting a cow in Hawaii). Otherwise, I like to read what others have to say, including those labeled as anti-Semites.
Remsen, You’re one of the good guys here. I appreciate your contributions and opinions and respect your ability to laugh at the “good natured” smart ass comments. I’m sure that your clients are well represented by a competent professional. I also like that you’re smart enough to know the good guys from the bad guys, hence your refusal to represent a certain segment of the population. 👍
A strange ignorant man wearing dress on the Internet accuse me of gayness. Now its getting funny
Marilyn or the Gay Zoro -I thought you'd celebrating the cop that was recently murdered in North Dakota. You should send a message to the dead cop's family telling them what a POS their father/ husband, son was. Bet that would put a sweet cross dresser like you in a better mood lmao
Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by ribka
At least a 100 million ID bet
Cute dress in your avatar. Looks like the Marilyn Monroe scene in the movie Some Like it Hot
A strange ignorant man wearing dress on the Internet accuse me of gayness. Now its getting funny
Marilyn or the Gay Zoro -I thought you'd celebrating the cop that was recently murdered in North Dakota. You should send a message to the dead cop's family telling them what a POS their father/ husband, son was. Bet that would put a sweet cross dresser like you in a better mood lmao
Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by ribka
At least a 100 million ID bet
Cute dress in your avatar. Looks like the Marilyn Monroe scene in the movie Some Like it Hot
The list of those on ignore is short and specific. Leftist agitators (Paddler, for example) get ignored and scumbag poachers (the idiot who bragged about shooting a cow in Hawaii). Otherwise, I like to read what others have to say, including those labeled as anti-Semites.
Cool. Disregard the thread I started to see if you saw it counselor. Do you accept eldest sons as retainers?
A strange ignorant man wearing dress on the Internet accuse me of gayness. Now its getting funny
Marilyn or the Gay Zoro -I thought you'd celebrating the cop that was recently murdered in North Dakota. You should send a message to the dead cop's family telling them what a POS their father/ husband, son was. Bet that would put a sweet cross dresser like you in a better mood lmao
Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by ribka
At least a 100 million ID bet
Cute dress in your avatar. Looks like the Marilyn Monroe scene in the movie Some Like it Hot
A strange ignorant man wearing dress on the Internet accuse me of gayness. Now its getting funny
Marilyn or the Gay Zoro -I thought you'd celebrating the cop that was recently murdered in North Dakota. You should send a message to the dead cop's family telling them what a POS their father/ husband, son was. Bet that would put a sweet cross dresser like you in a better mood lmao
Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by ribka
At least a 100 million ID bet
Cute dress in your avatar. Looks like the Marilyn Monroe scene in the movie Some Like it Hot
Whether they're guilty of anything or not, one thing's for certain. If any one of us had our knee on some dudes neck for several minutes, on video, while bystanders pleaded with us to stop, and that mother f'r died, we'd be doing 25 to life, no if's, ands, or butts.
Cops....
It’s called due process. Lawyer your ass up.
Preliminary autopsy already says he didn’t suffocate , but expired from Preexisting health conditions (Heart disease (which is prevalent in jigaboos) and possibly narcotics.
Whether they're guilty of anything or not, one thing's for certain. If any one of us had our knee on some dudes neck for several minutes, on video, while bystanders pleaded with us to stop, and that mother f'r died, we'd be doing 25 to life, no if's, ands, or butts.
Cops....
It’s called due process. Lawyer your ass up.
Preliminary autopsy already says he didn’t suffocate , but expired from Preexisting health conditions (Heart disease (which is prevalent in jigaboos) and possibly narcotics.
Don't waste your energy on fireballs . He watched TJ hooker once and is now an expert in arrest techniques lmao
I wonder if The Fireballz, Governor Walz, and Mayor Gay, have ever contemplated what would happen if they all got caught on video hitting Rodney King with sticks.
And if so, would the outcome be different if they were police officers attempting to make an arrest.
Whether they're guilty of anything or not, one thing's for certain. If any one of us had our knee on some dudes neck for several minutes, on video, while bystanders pleaded with us to stop, and that mother f'r died, we'd be doing 25 to life, no if's, ands, or butts.
Cops....
It’s called due process. Lawyer your ass up.
Preliminary autopsy already says he didn’t suffocate , but expired from Preexisting health conditions (Heart disease (which is prevalent in jigaboos) and possibly narcotics.
AOD,
Kinda crazy to think that Mr. McRib didn’t blow a artery while sticking a pistol in the guts of a chick when he pulled a high stress, home invasion...But, when his pussy ass is pinned to asphalt, he spurts a leak.
I’m sorry he died, wasn’t said by any of his past victims, I bet.
This ones going to be hard to defend , a knee on the neck for 5 minutes , even after he is unresponsive the knee is still there and his hands in his pockets, unbelievable !
She said when she walked up to the scene the man was already on the ground. Frazier said the police officer pressed the man's face so hard against the ground that his nose was bleeding.
Other people who had gathered at the scene began begging the officer to take his knee off the man's neck. After the man stopped moving and lied motionless on the ground, a bystander is heard saying, "Bro, he's not even f---ing moving! Get off of his neck!"
Well, based on the recording the only indication this did not happen in corrupt developing world country is the presence of the video itself, ie body cameras were worn. I suspect that if there were no cameras or community support the death of this individual would be "swept under the rug".
Remsen, You’re one of the good guys here. I appreciate your contributions and opinions and respect your ability to laugh at the “good natured” smart ass comments. I’m sure that your clients are well represented by a competent professional. I also like that you’re smart enough to know the good guys from the bad guys, hence your refusal to represent a certain segment of the population. 👍
Thank you, that's very much appreciated!
This. Yep, Remey, you are an especially nice guy for being a bleck lowyer.
This ones going to be hard to defend , a knee on the neck for 5 minutes , even after he is unresponsive the knee is still there and his hands in his pockets, unbelievable !
She said when she walked up to the scene the man was already on the ground. Frazier said the police officer pressed the man's face so hard against the ground that his nose was bleeding.
Other people who had gathered at the scene began begging the officer to take his knee off the man's neck. After the man stopped moving and lied motionless on the ground, a bystander is heard saying, "Bro, he's not even f---ing moving! Get off of his neck!"
Well, based on the recording the only indication this did not happen in corrupt developing world country is the presence of the video itself, ie body cameras were worn. I suspect that if there were no cameras or community support the death of this individual would be "swept under the rug".
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