B: I've used the 300's up in Canada myself with 165's,shot several bucks with them, and they work really well,if you can shoot them.But you and I both know that lots of milder stuff works equally well,and they really are not "needed".

The folks I'm refering to seem to think they are essential,that you're handicapped with anything less;rush out blindly to get one without the slightest notion of what to do with them past 150 yards, and preach they are "necessary",if in fact they don't tell me breathlessly that something "bigger" is appropriate.

Or, they may harbor great concerns(if they've never shot one)that a 300 pound whitetail or mule deer requires more rifle than a good 25,6.5, 270 or 7mm of some sort.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.