Originally Posted by GunTruck50


Was,nt there a game of chicken called Crazy Ivan? With the Rissians Sub turning around as we followed them and came straight at our Sub. Is there any truth to that?

Crazy Ivan was a midstride full reverse as described by Tom Clancy in Red October.

Eight years ago, the San Francisco drove head first into the side of an undersea mountain. How the fugg that happened I have no idea. Even an antique inertial positioning system should have been more accurate than that.

In the case of the Connecticut, a couple theories have been advanced. One being a shipping container suspended midlevel in the ocean. That is entirely plausible, as even the largest container would be totally undetectable by anything other than active sonar. Which has been explained earlier is almost never used by a submerged vessel.

Enemy subs usually make some noise, even if if suspended in a static position. There will be air circulation and some slight machinery noise. But the newest generations of diesel-electric are damned quiet when running on battery.

With the highest tech sonar we have available, our boat would have to be very close to hear them.

We may never know. Maybe they drove her into the side of a mountain. Maybe they hit a mine. Maybe the Chi-coms dropped a depth charge or a torpedo on her.

And then, just possibly, they had heard faint whispers from another boat, and they were trying to isolate or flush the target.

Ever step on a pheasant before it flushed?


People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.