Mart,

Good to hear you have Hawk another chance and the results were better. When I first read your post about the hawk bullets my first thought was "he tried those years ago and said they shot like crap?!"

I have been tempted to order some myself, but maybe a heavier jacket, possibly a very heavy custom jacket. The biggest detractors of Hawk seem to be pushing everything they shoot to extreme speeds. Hawk being old school tech, heavy weight and moderate speed seems to with just fine. If they will make a 350 with a .50 or .65 (i think that's the heaviest I've seen in their page) *should* equate to a decently stout bullet at whelen speeds.

I emailed NF and they're pretty far behind, but they're taking back orders. Just wish we could get them to offer more weights in 410/411. Seems the biggest variety is for those Miroku 1895's @.412/413