Originally Posted by Riflecrank
Originally Posted by Mike78
What the heck is with all the sir, saint and lady stuff?


What jwp475 aka Sir John said.
Knights of the Square Table are champions of the .458 Winchester Magnum.
Saint is for those Knights gone on to the happy Hunting Ground.
Lady is just for good manners, not all is tongue in cheek.

BTW, Sir John,
Not saying smokeless won't work with paper patched bullets.
It is just a different kettle of fish regarding bullet diameters and whether the bullets are
heavy-for-caliber and soft versus light-for-caliber and hard,
and other variations to boot,
including jacketed versus cast lead, and BP versus smokeless.

I do have an article by Ross Seyfried filed away, pertinent to paper patch and smokeless loads:
"Paper Patched Bullets" HANDLOADER 220 Dec-Jan 2003, pp. 58-65.

"Modern rifles are often quite happy to use patched bullets.
Once again, where it might be difficult to get reasonable accuracy
from a .30-06 with bare lead bullets and velocity over 2000 fps,
it can be very easy to approach the magical inch groups with paper patches.
Further, while I have not pushed the system as far,
others have achieved reasonable accuracy out of 'magnums' with velocity over 3,000 fps.
I had a stock Ruger No. 1 .458 Winchester Magnum that was absolutely in love with patched bullets.
Inch groups were the norm at 2,100 to 2,200 fps, even with pure lead bullets.

"One more bizarre use of paper patches, in conjunction with 'modern rifles'
is making undersize jacketed bullets fit the rifle.
I have successfully fitted .458-inch bullets to .470 Nitro rifles ..."



Thanks, fantasy roll play for old guys.