A smooth, malty lager. Spatten Premium Lager, Devils Backbone Gold Leaf Lager, most Weihenstephaners, Czech pilzners.

Excessively hoppy beers are gross. Anyone can make a really hoppy ale. Just brew a [bleep] ale and hop the hell out of it to cover up the [bleep]. It takes skill to make a really good lager. Anyone can make an IPA.