Well, it seems as if he who often cautions against anyone even mentioning THEIR families accomplishments does not follow his own advice or attitude, a common situation among liberals.

Now, the ORIGINAL poster asked a simple question and it WAS NOT what WOULD kill Grizzlies, or what someone's old Dad did whenever, BUT, WHICH of TWO specific cartridges WOULD be superior in a given scenario, the .338WM or the 9.3x62. IF, one has NOT HAD experience with these, it is hard to decide this question and ALL other considerations are irrelevant.

I have owned, loaded for and shot a total of 16 different rifles in these two chamberings since 1968, I KNOW what they will/will not do and base my opinions on a considerable amount of actual Grizzly experience, NOT on what someon else did/did not do.

Anyone who thinks that the .30-06, with ANY load is the equal of the loads I refer to here needs serious help. The magazine capacity is a function of the RIFLE and this CAN be altered quite easily, as I always do with rifles for working in Grizzly country.

In 21 years of shooting 9.3 rifles, 25 years of shooting .375H&H rifles and 40 years of shooting .338WM rifles, I have felt NO difference in recoil between 9.3s and .338s and damm little with a decently stocked .375 H&H, although there IS some.

Puzzymen who can't handle a real rifle should play golf or tennis or whatever, these rounds are NOT hard to learn to shoot and they DO a much better job than any smaller ones will. A chopped .458WM IS, no question, a specialist's tool, however, after decades of serious rifle shooting and wilderness work, not weekend play, I CAN handle it and it DOES a better job, much like a .338WM or 9.3 over the .30-06.

If, you have the right carrying rig, a heavier .375H&H or .458WM or .416 is NOT hard to pack, simply read the backpacking forum here to learn how from guys who do it. If, you are a "quadjockey", it doesn't matter about an extra lb. of rifle weight.

Again, this is NOT simply about killing, it is about STOPPING and Black Bears are largely irrelevant, I have chased lots of them off from my bush cabins with rocks and shouts, I would NEVER do that with a Grizzly. I would bet that I knew as many or more REAL oldtimers, guys who started pro bushwhacking before WWI as anyone on this MB, and ALL of them tended to use the biggest gun that they could when Grizzlies were around.

Yes, Grizzlies have and will be dropped with the ubiquitous .30-06 and it is beloved of those who like to reduce everything to the lowest common denominator, BUT, we don't drive Model As or use wooden skis or "iceboxes" anymore, there ARE better choices and the two rounds in question are among them.

Harumpphhh!