what's the matter art, can't come back on me about where my property is ?
been 6 months since you have had any contact with me over my property.
you said i would get it back, better than i sent it to you in.

it was an up n running stock, alright maybe issues, but they were my issues.
you took it upon yourself to make it right without my consent.
then stopped conversing with me.

i have asked several times now, and now enough is enough.

stick the [bleep] stock up your azz, and i hope you get a serious infection from it.

send me my barrel blank and cartridge trap back now.

i will be forced to get civil actions against you as well as law enforcement.

i sent a stock off and it almost complete is just a few months.

you have had my stock and related items now for 17 months, and no word as what state of completion it is in.

now publicly stated again art peck, i want property back now.
is this clear enough for your old feeble mind to comprehend ?

pm me for my addie if you do not have any longer.
i am sure you messed up my stock, and are not man enough to admit it. you most likely have hoped i would just go away and forget about the hundreds of dollars i had into that stock.

i will not until you return my property.


now, is there anything about this thread you do not understand art ?

gay

Splat;

Sue, or STFU.

BTW - your stock was a dog-turd LONG before Art got it.

gay my dick calvin. it's not your property that's been mising for a year and half.
nor have you been ignored by the guy, and have no idea where your propery is.

put my shoes on pal, and see how long you hold out.

"...i will be forced to get civial actions against you..."

Is that gay speak for some kind of sex act? Whatever happened to the Campfire being family friendly? Yuck!

it does matter sean, i want my other property back.
and as for the dog turd, you didn't handle it, see it in person, nor shoot it.

so you meager opinion matters not.

all he was supposed to do was in let the trap. nothing more. he wasn't asked to do any "fixing" of my so called turd.

one job to do, and nothing more.

you sticking up for the queen, matters not.

Your property is at Art's. Hint.

Your stock was a total POS from the get-go; none of the lines came anywhere close; basically, it was firewood with a pretty finish that you overpaid for, and finally realized.

This has been rehashed, numerous times.

As for what others would and have done, they'd not need Vagisil, and not be fretted.

Sue, or STFU.

freinds don't [bleep] friends over.
so my spelling sucks sometimes.
big whoop...

If no one else's opinion matters, why post like a b!tch?

Sue, or STFU.

Pretty damned simple, really.

Ain't f'ked a friend over, ain't been f'ked over by one, and dealt with Art numerous times.

Sue, or STFU.

Are you typing under the influence?

It's his time of the month, again....

Hormones just do that to him.

maybe art can stick it up your azz sean.
stfu and tell your friend to send me my property already.

Sue, or STFU.

Balls in your court.

Borrow a pair, and figure out what to do with them.

Small claims court for a barrel blank, cartridge trap, and firewood.

It MIGHT cover your attorney's fees, but hey, have at it...

All for a "project years in the making", right?

Oh, and now that you're pissy, I can fathom no more 75 minute phone calls whining about not getting pics of your stock on time, and not getting weekly updates about your stock, and not being hand-held through the reshaping process?

Damn... by the end of the second of those, when I was trying very hard to be diplomatic and tell you that he was trying to gild a turd you sent, I was tempted to fly to AK and burn the damned stick of firewood myself.

Vagisil would do you an inordinate amount of good.

At this point, your decision is easy:

Sue, or STFU.

Whatcha gonna do (other than b!tch and moan, that is)?

hold on there big fella.. I ain't doing nothing to your dick.


You are one weird dude..

what's it matter to you ?
it was my stock, if it had issues, they were not his to correct.
install the trap, and send it back was all that was needed.
firewood ? well, it was MY firewood, and i liked it.
it matters not what you or he, or anyone else thinks of it.
if it could not be done, a simple once over in person would have told a "master" it couldn't be done and not touch it, and just sent it back on my dime.

Be nice... he's crying again over a Home Depot 4x12x36" reject that "touched him"....

So, pissing, whining, and moaning are going to be the options you take... again... right?

Good to know.

time will tell dickhead....

ooohhhh.....

I'm afeared.....

One for your pain?

BTW - it's "civil", not "cival".

Splatter must be smashed again.

He's done stewed too long about his POS stock and now that Mom and Dad are on vacation and the liquor cabinet is unlocked he's gonna' give all of us "a good what for".

Splatter---Take Seans advice and sue or STFU.....

meeee too....

oh, your such a big man, and bulley for you that you stick up for low lifes.

Issues?

Is that the stock in question?

This is a private matter between two parties, and really has no place here. Let the thread die.

nope, not with anyone other than art peck.

Nope. That actually had a purpose, was properly designed for it, and retains value.

Well, I guess firewood does have some value.....

Hold on a minute Sean.

Put your verbal ball bat down and lets ask YOU a few questions.

I have seen pics of that stock before it was sent to Art..?

I have.

It was FULLY finished and fitted to Splattermatic's bareled action.It looked just fine. As matter of fact, it looks as nice as anything I have seen Art Peck claim to do himself.

The bullet trap alone was worth at least $150(check New England custom gun for current prices- most are over $200.

e claims the stock was FUBAR-

Seen ANY PICS backing this up? Art has provided no proof to anyone.

He claims to have done some work to it-

SEEN ANY PICS back that up? Art again has provided no proof.

In my opinion Art is preying on his fan clubs total ignorance of the details here and also taking advantage of their loyalty to him. He can claim whatever the hell he wants. In this case it's bullschit.

Once you have all the parts in hand,ANY moron with a pair of 6" dial calipers and a brain can have figured out if that bullet trap would fit the contours of the stock.. BEFORE any cutting was done.

Either Art screwed everything up during the trap installation and is too proud to admit it(imagine that) OR he is too way slow...

Either way- 17 months of waiting and EIGHT months of ignoring Splatter's PMs is long enough. And it's behavior NO ONE down on the classified forum would have gotten by with for 2 months let alone SEVENTEEN.

No matter WHAT the stock looks like he wants HIS property back. What part of the fact it is NOT Art Peck's property do you NOT understand???????

splat can't.

He's only done this every time he takes a bender, and lacks the cajones to admit that 1) he can't/won't do anything else, and 2) the stock he sent was so FUBAR that it'd take damned near an Act of God to set it right.

He's also been told this, many times over.

So, he wants to act like a douche (again), he can be treated like a douche (again).

yep it sure do, and that's what I will do with it if it ever get's back to me.
and again dickhead, it was up to him to fix anything. he messed it up and blames it on other issues.

yep pretty fubar'd that it looked like this.


and shot like this.

Pics?

Yep.

As for his options, he has them and has had them.

As I've stated, several times over on this thread, and during his whining-ass phone calls prior to.

Sue, or STFU.

Good post Jim.

Shouldn't this whole thing have ended the minute Splatter asked for his property back?

After 6 months or more of IGNORING the owner's requests for the return of the property, I think it's crossed the line from a mere civil tort.

Ever lay a straight-edge on any of those lines?

Ever take a look at the bottom of that stock, and it's evenness (or, lack thereof) where you wanted a trap installed?

Hint: no.

How do I know this?

Pics, and conversations with you about the same. And, your admissions of the same.

Simply put, sue, or STFU.

Pretty damned simple.

The incessant whining, though, is just incredibly b!tch-like.

You want this to end and have your schit back?

Call the magistrate, swear out an affidavit, and have it served.

Pretty simple, and a HELLUVA lot faster than crying like a b!tch every time you tie one or two too many on.

I know an ADA in Anchorage if that helps.

Hell, splat, in the amount of time you've spent whining over this, you could have walked up there and served the papers yourself.

Easy solution, even if you have to borrow a set of balls to do it.

Hell of a note if a man has to sue to get his own property back.Ownership does not seem to be in question.

I don't know either one of these guys , but if a transaction came about as the result of an internet forum , that forum seems to me to be an appropriate place to hash it out.

Of course,one of the parties is missing from the conversation.

it still doesn't matter if the lines weren't straight and yadda, yadda.
he should have just sent it back without touching it, and i didn't ask him to fix anything.

why is it so hard for you to get it thru your thick head, i want MY property back ?
an affidavit, sure...
art, be prepared for the knock on the door.
i'm sick of this.

Nope, one of the parties has been in the conversation, several times over, and this has been hashed out, every time splat gets sideways.

Ain't nothing changed, except splat's time of the month, again.

Did you actually go borrow a pair of balls?

Wow....

I ain't holding my breath, though.

no, i have my own.
i've just tried real hard to not become an azz like you.

i tried to be nice and see how long this was going to go on, but enough is enough.

Ever figure dealing with whining azz b!tches is what drives some folks to be an azz?

You've gotten the same advice, many times over. And yet....

Hey, I remember those! Didn't know that you could get them in cherry only though, or the ones with the extra yo-yo string...

i am not whining as you put it.
i want MY property back, plain and simple.
the stock is irrelavent now, just my blank and trap.
that's it.
send those parts back, and not another word will be said ever again.

and we can get back to talking about guns, and killing things.

The advice stands, as it has since your first whining azz phone call:

Sue, or STFU.

Pretty simple.

you sent me your number, so stop your whining about the call.
you asked for it, so i gave it.

your just too stuck up arts butt to see for yourself what the real problem here is.

Trying to figure out your malady was a huge mistake.

My ex-wife b!tches less.

I gave you the same advice then; sue, or stfu.

You still haven't taken either.

glad you have an ex wife. most likely couldn't stand you any more, that which i can understand.

So far off base, it ain't even funny.

Your choices are the same as they've always been, as is the advice.

far off ?
hmmm, left you for a woman did she ?
man, i feel for ya.
that's gotta suck.

but i guess, if one is not man enough to do manly things......

Art continues to show his lack of character in this matter, and the fan boys seem to be doin all the whining...The man deserves his stuff back, it's time for art to step up...!!

thank you.

bottom line, no contact, deleted pm with asking for my property back, equals low life.

Dude, you're going way, way over lines that don't get crossed here.

That's all I'm going to say about that.

You know, or damned well ought to, that family is off limits.

You're b!tching about your POS stock, and the barrel and cartridge trap... again.

The advice remains the same as it always was: Sue, or STFU.

All you have to do is decide which.

Got some in the freezer right now. (Uhh - I mean the tri-colored ones without the string.)

nothing bad said about family, just poking at you, as you do me.
one good turn deserves another.

pos stock, fubar'd ? etc...
guess joel russo who cut that stock would have to say otherwise.

Trying to figure out why it's so hard for splat to grow, borrow, or realize he might have a pair.

Sue, or STFU, splat.

It's that simple.

Why should he have to sue?? Why can't he just get his stuff back!

zackely !

Obviously, he's not getting or has not gotten his stuff back in a fashion that suits him, correct?

Well, he has two choices, as he's been told several (hundred) times over, both in threads, PMs, via phone....

What does he need? Engraved tablets delivered from "on High"?

You thinking whining, pissing, moaning, and acting like a b!tch is going to do anything?

Has it?

Your options remain the same as they've always been.

You've just got to wipe your tears, put on your big girl panties, and figure out which one of the two you're going to do.

Last time this deal got brought up ,I'm pretty sure Art promised to finish the stock and get it sent back.It's been awhile.

Art's deal was that the "POS" stock was going to have his name on it and he deserved the opportunity to make it look right.

Yep.

Yet, splat wants his stuff back, now.

Which leaves him two options.

Still...

He just needs art to be the " the man of character that you guys think he is" Very simple!

What I think about Art, is irrelevant at this point.

splat has the same two options he's had since Day 1.

That, ain't changed.

He just needs to figure out which he's going to do.

Or, he can just start whining like a b!tch every time he gets a little drunk and starts thinking about "precious"....

it will come to that now that push has come to shove.
i read the last thread i started pretty well, and see you, and just a few followers attacking me, then art's reply, so i backed off and waited to see what, would come of that thread.

nothing ...

i didn't want to have to sue, as a man should be man enough to step up and do the right thing and return another's property when asked.

deleted pm's.
not the way to man up lil one.

public scrutiny is should be enough for a real man to admit he's is wrong , and wronged another, and make it right.
art has not.

why is it so hard for you to see, that suing is a last resort, and a real fine upstanding man, would make things right, not hide from them and hope they go away, and let others attack the one who wants an end to this, in a decent manner, with just getting his property back.
nothing more.

This schit, is only as hard as you make it. On both parties.

splat has his options; he just has to choose.

He a few other choices due to the length of time that has passed since Splatter asked for his property back..

File a Federal Complaint for mail fraud.

File a local complaint in AK for theft by conversion and criminal fraud.

I am sure Art's apologists/buddies here would like it stay merely a civil matter, but at this time it's gone a bit past that due to Art ignoring any communication from Splattermatic for the last 6 months or more.

Simply boxing Splatter's property up and shipping it out about 4 month ago would have ended this.

That's simply too big of a thing for Art to do, I guess.

and another thing.
the getting drunk thing is purely speculation on your part, and since i don't drink, you are completly wrong on that surmation.

Good to know decency now including incessant whining.

I guess I should try to remember that.

Wait... no... I think I'll just take "having a backbone" instead.

Your call; your options haven't changed, and neither have your whining, nor your results.

Well, I was giving you the out as to how the b!tch-like mannerisms appeared.

Thanks for clearing that up, and rendering them simply a standard.

Does the cartridge trap need to stay with the stock? if not send it back, what you think of art sure shows in your post you seem to go out of your way to defend him!

Defending him by telling splat that his stock was way out of whack (which is was), and that his options are the same as they've been: sue or STFU?

That's defense?

Oh, you must mean the parts where I'm telling splat that he's incessantly acting like a whiny b!tch (which he is), right?

Yeah, there's defense.

splat has whined, b!tched, moaned, and complained, and backed off.... and gotten nothing and nowhere.

He has the same two choices he's always had, and I've told him that since Day 1.

Yep, there's that defense thing again, right?

Gotcha....

Its a shame you want to give splatermatic a hard time over this when art has been in the wrong for such a long time. Why hasn't he given the stock back yet. WTF.....

we both know we have standards, i tried to have great ones with all here.

yours, as we all have read, are very low standards to back a man who is low enough to not return property when asked.

glad i am not one who consider's you a friend or anything, as i do not want to be associated with your type or thought about being your type.

scum is scum, weather they wear jeans and a t shirt, or a suit and tie.

the inner man is revealed what is in your soul by who you associate with and who you side with.

all can see what's in your soul sean, and to me , it ain't good.

I'm staying out of this, other than to say: plus one.

Ah, your puzzy hurts, doesn't it?

My standards are well known to the more than a few here who have met me and dealt with me. I'll rest easy with that.

Your reading comprehension is as pathetic as your whining.

Sue the man, like a man, or STFU. Pretty damned simple.

If he has something of yours, and you've given him all the room and time you're going to give him, then be a man, stop whining, and do something.

Clear enough?

Or, is that "defending" him again?

Oh, wait... I guess I'm being "mean" again, right?

[bleep].... I said the last time (or was it the one before that?) that splat came whining what the deal was, and Art chimed in that he was going to make it right and do it right.

Splat, obviously, accepted that.

Splat has changed his mind (again), and started whining (again).

None of that changes what was wrong or at issue before; only that splat's time of the month came (again).

So, the advice is as it's always been: sue, or STFU.

Pretty simple.

Mean, blunt, obviously "defending" someone because I'm not patting splat's puzz, but still accurate.

Want something done, splat? Then DO something, and quit f'kin' b!tching.

nope, just saying your opinion of what to do.

we all have opinions, just like we all have azzholes.
some just stink more than others.

you don't like what i have to say , or as you say whine about ?

leave the thread. it's that simple.
your not making yourself look any better by repeating the same thing over and over.

sue or stfu !
wow, child can change things up better than that.

like i said, don't like this thread sean, go away, and don't look back.
it's none of your personal business, but a thread for art to see, since he won't talk to me direct, and delete's pm's.

go to bed now lil one, maybe you just need to have some happy time alone.
and leave this for art to man up in.

oh, and sean.
do you have any children ?
if so, if they read this how would you feel about the hypocricy of dishonesty ?

would you teach your children it's okay to do these things ?

you discust me.

Amazing how the "do something" option is just one you can't take.

That, says much, right there.

Changing things up, don't change facts nor options.

That you don't like either, as they require you to actually DO something, shows exactly where "little" lies.

Pointing out what you can do, is simply right there.

You haven't, and won't, do schit.

Helluva "man", there.

And, that stands regardless of Art's actions.

That, btw... ain't a defense of him, nor his actions. Just a citation of your lack of any action.

Can't make it much more clear, and you still can't get it.

Why don't you start a new call-out thread to Art and see if folks will just leave it alone.You can bump it up to keep it in front of him.

Maybe specifically ask other posters to stay off.

This one is too screwed up to get anyone's attention.

My daughter would have already done something.

That is what I'm teaching and have taught her.

B!tching gets you nowhere. Which is exactly where you find yourself.

Doing something, gets things done.

Try it.

oh, i get it and got it, douche.
just i tried to be the better man and not get l/e involved in a matter that he could have easily settled by just returning my property when i asked.

Why doesn't he actually DO something?

It ain't hard.

EXACTLY!

If you haven't gotten what you want by one means, try another. You have two left.

Get it YET?

nahh, it's not too screwed up. art will see it, his followers will pm him, and of course as happened before, nothing will come of this, until the knock on his door.

Then, make the damned phone calls, swear out the affidavits, send the damned paperwork and DO something.

yep, hardhead, told you, i get it and had gotten it.

just tried to be the better man.
something you have a hard time understanding.

Can't see how being a whiny, do-nothing b!tch is a better man in any situation, but if that fluffs your bottom, hey, roll with it.

This has far more to do than just with the wood. Whether it was a piece of firewood or not Splatter sent Art a stock, a barrel blank for payment of services, a cartridge trap and other items that have not been returned at his request. Promises have been broken and all requests for the return of said items and communictions have been ignored.

He has been wronged and deserves to be recompensed for his loss. He had to purchase a new stock to replace the one he sent to Art.

Sean, with all due respect, explain to me why this isn't a civil matter worthy of a judgement in favor of Splatter.

Very simple thing here... All those attacking me while hearing exactly one side are welcome to. I could not possibly care less. The fact this jerk started off with about every sort of lie possible, left me in a tough spot... the incredible whining over what he was going to have to do next... the fact the third name has come up as the one who did the stock... The fact he has not stopped attacking me in every way possible for the duration make it very simple to me.

And this after I had told him I was going to fix it without cost to him of any kind. And this crap starts and continues unabated. As the actor would ask "what's my motivation?" Why should I care what Splatt wants, needs, does, or owns? With the crap he has posted about me he can wait until I find that motivation.

Should be lovely to see him explain the inconsistencies. Or calculate damages... which may have more than one direction.

And the trial lawyers like jim62 suggesting mail fraud is in play... Now that is funny.

He first said a poster here had done the work and that left me in a position of badmouthing the work of another here, which I would not do. Then he claimed he did the shaping... and just now he tosses out another name...

To be clear, if the whiner ever stops the public posting and whining he might get his stuff back.
art

fish head;

Explain to me how I've NOT said to him, NUMEROUS times, that his options are to either: 1) sue (i.e., make it a civil matter), or 2) STFU.

There's a hint there.

Both options you offer cost him money.Quite a bit , in fact.

If his OP on this thread had been allowed to stand until Art saw it - without dis-interested parties chiming in right off the bat,it MIGHT have been effective.

I'm just suggesting he try it again.

You would stay off of it , wouldn't you?

I will.

nah, can't say a whining do nothing bitch.
you, yes sean,you, put your word, that art would deliver.
your word is [bleep].

i took the man's word i would get my stock and parts back.
i gave him the benefit of the doubt, that your word, and his were good.

go reread the last thread where you said that.

so i patiently waited for 6 months.
your word is [bleep]. i've received nothing.

so one last try to reach him in a nice way, if nothing, then there will be a knock on the door.

a man is only as good as his word.
yours and his are [bleep].

Jesus. Kindergarten response.

Dude... send him his stock back. You have the power to end this. What are you, milking it for drama?!

Pointing out options, that the OP don't like, ain't the fault of the person pointing out the options.

Just send him his chit back, end of story, if you don't you're a damn THIEF!

I am betting Joel would not take credit for those lines... BUt this is now the third name offered as the one that did the work. Or do you mean he simply ran it across his duplicator... You know there is a huge difference.

art, your here.
i said no lies, i have all the pm's.

i told you who did the finish.

to end this art, just return my property and nothing will be said again.

plain and simple.

"To be clear, if the whiner ever stops the public posting and whining he might get his stuff back."

MIGHT? I,for one,will reckon you to be a thief until he does.

no art, he used his cnc machine.
and as i told you, i did some shaping to suit my needs.
it is not the issue here. you had no business trying to correct anything about my stock other than inletting the trap.
that's it. you found issues, and thought you'd correct them. i did not ask for that.

you say the stock is fubar'd, well fine, as i have another now.

send my blank and trap back. that's it, nothing more, and we'll end this.
17 months art, come on.

I guess you missed that part...

You promised to stay out and you have two posts on here.

You seem distinctly unqualified to take part.

There's a shock...

As Jed Clampett used to say........hee doggies!

And since you know all the details why don't you tell me what other work was to be done, for nothing? Surely you know it all despite the fact the whiner says it was just installing a trap.

Or this another case of you posting something you do not know?

That's the problem.

As a professional you should not have to "find that motivation". You're letting emotions interfer with promises and regardless of what transpired do the honorable thing and return Splatter's property whether it's complete or not.

Anything less is unprofessional.

You said no lies? Bullschit! Did you just post there was only a trap to inlet, nothing else? How come we talked about the other work so much if it was just installing a trap?

No lies? Yeah right!

Wonder where the FUBAR part came in, huh?

Art's imagination...

His lack of pictures to post here backing up his claims are ample proof of that.

Splattermatic's pics of the stock before shipment to Art prove that Art is full of schit. A blind man can see there is nothing wrong with the "lines" of the toeline of that stock.

But a schitty mechanic like him always has to blame the other guy, right?

A MONKEY could have compared the contour of the stock's toe line to the contour of the trap BEFORE cutting any wood..
Apparently a MONKEY has Art beat intellectually in terms of executing stock work..

And so do the Morons defending his bullschit excuses.

I know I wouldn't have to take a bite out of a [bleep] sandwich to know what it would taste like.

Did you happen to read the part where I said the thoughts of the clueless do not concern me? You are in that camp and I could not possibly care less what you think. You are basing your assumptions on things you do not understand. The more you protest that you do understand the more clear it becomes you do not know.

But that has never stopped you in the past.

Right....

Telling splat what his two options are, and to actually DO something is defending someone.

Yep... got it.

No f'kin' wonder Hussein got elected....

Ah... you want photos of [bleep] stock lines and you think they are not available from that stock... Guess again. Do you really think I made that up?

Do you really think you want to say bad things about my stocks? Since you have never touched one... and dozens here have? And more to the point quite a few here have had occasion to build stocks with my help. Do you really think you can get away with that?

jim62
Oh, your comments prove you are clueless on installing cartridge traps... Or do you sand those in, too?

It's time for one of these.

[bleep] YOU ART!

I don't know all the details but you're putting words in my mouth. I have read every post on the subject.

Here's the problem I see. More work than initially was bargained for was required to set things right.

But here's the end all question. How many more hours did reshaping the stock involve?

You tell me. You are a professional and it shouldn't be too terribly time consuming for someone with your skills. You were willing to do it for free. A couple of hours, a couple of days, a couple of weeks?

17 months and NO proof of you doing ANYHTING on that stock- no pics, no stock, no nothing -PROVE you know less than THAT..

You are all talk, "Maestro"

Real classy...

Says the pot to the kettle..

I have fuggin' class oozing out my eyeballs.

You want some? I can email it.

But, but, but... Art, just damn... Anyway, when are you free for lunch? BTW, the action we got from Karnis has matured. Duane put the rifle in the mail and should be here in a couple of days. Wanna go shoot it?

And, if Carlos is reading this, you won't believe what happened to that Argentine!!! Stupid good stuff!

That should be a dandy! But I am almost afraid to ask... I have several projects in need of shooting within the next week... Give a holler. Tomorrow is not so good.

Still avoiding this?

why dating bipolar girls is not a good idea and how the Domino�s Pizza tracker saved my life

I have always been on the fence when it comes to Pizza Hut Vs. Dominos. I don�t eat enough pizza from either to really have a concrete answer of which one makes a better pie. I can tell you one solid truth� As my last relationship ended and the lies, scandals and deceptions came out, after all was said and done, my psycho ex girlfriend did teach me one VERY important thing:

ALWAYS choose Domino�s over pizza hut.

I had been having trouble with my now EX-girlfriend for quite awhile, I won�t go into details, but let�s just say she went crazy. I thought, simple: I�ll just break it off.

Wrong.

One Friday night, around 8:00pm, after a long week of work and incessant phone calls/psychotic voicemails from the unbalanced EX, I decided I was going to stay in, which one any weekend night is abnormal for me. Usually on weekend nights that I am in, I usually am cool with a movie, a 6 pack and a pizza. I had been ordering from Pizza Hut the last few times, but after a constant bombardment with Domino�s �WE�VE CHANGED OUR [bleep], I SWEAR WE�RE AWESOME NOW� ad campaign, I decided to give it a shot.

Around 8pm, I went online to order my pizza. I built a modest 2 topping medium pizza, and placed my order. You have to love how far we have come in the delivery pizza world.

Immediately afterwards, I was introduced to the piece of a software that would save my neck.

The Pizza Tracker.

Pizza tracker? [bleep] yeah, the pizza tracker. If you don�t know what the pizza tracker is, then get your ass online right now and order a pizza from Domino�s. It�s the equivalent of a loading bar on a web browser, except at the end of the loading you get a delicious pizza.

This is where the night got interesting.

I am on my couch, one eye on �Parks and Rec� the other on the pizza tracker displayed on my lap top that joined me on the couch.

We had just entered stage 2: Prep.

KNOCK! KNOCK! KNOCK!

For a split second I thought, �woh that was fast,� I put my order in 10 minutes ago and pizza tracker says it�s still in stage 2.

By the end of my thought, the door swung open.

Guess who.

Yep, it was my psychotic EX. Knife in hand, she starts threatening to do some pretty awful things. I try to stand up, she freaks. I stay on the couch and attempt to calm her down. She goes into a hysterical rant about us getting back together, ya right, and I glance at the pizza tracker.

Stage 3. Bake (Juan is putting your order in the oven)

She goes on while all I can think is GO JUAN GO!!!! GET THAT [bleep] IN THE OVEN!

I try to calm her down, I stand up and she freaks out and tells me �SIT THE [bleep] DOWN!!�

She continues on her violet outburst and I tell her we can work things out hoping to get her to calm down. It�s no use.

I decide I need to try and get to my phone. I inconspicuously try to look for my cell phone. Dammit! I left it my room. I am screwed. I am dead. The pizza man will get blamed for this! Oh, the poor pizza boy will be wrongfully blamed and get life in prison for what this unstable bitch is going to do to me.

STAGE 4! BOX!

[bleep] YEAH! They are boxing up my pizza. Get your ass over here!

She continues on for another 5 minutes. Trying to make eye contact, glancing at the pizza tracker every second she looks away.

Stage 5! DELIVERY: Alejandro is delivering your pizza.

GOD SPEED ALEJENDRO!!! MY LIFE AND YOUR FREEDOM RELY ON THIS!

Knowing that the Alejandro is on the way, I try and just keep her talking, but the more she talks the more enraged she gets. I try to interupt, but that just makes things worse.

It�s been 10 minutes, Alejandro should be here any time.

She continues, she is yelling at the top of her lungs about the things we could have been. I am still banking that Alejandro will be here any second and save the day.

10 more minutes go by.
Alejandro GET YOUR ASS IN GEAR!

SHE IS OFFICIALLY FREAKING THE [bleep] OUT. She puts the knife up to her wrist and then takes it away. I am panicking. Where the [bleep] is Alejandro! Pizza tracker tells me we�re still in stage 5. [bleep] YOU PIZZA TRACKER , YOU�VE BEEN IN STAGE 5 FOR 25 MINUTES!!!! I will never order from Domino�s again!!! After this thought I immediately think to myself, I will be dead, so I will probably never order another pizza again.

Right then, the cops come in. At gunpoint they calm her down and obtain the knife. Alejandro had shown up to the door wide open and saw psycho with the knife and went back to his �98 Honda Accord and called the cops. Domino�s pizza literally saved my life. They should change the name from the pizza tracker to the savior tracker.

Alejandro is the true definition of a hero. In a way, Alejandro is the 5th ninja turtle. He showed up, accessed the situation, didn�t panic, and saved my ass from the bad guys. Oh yeah, and he brought a bitchin excellent pizza too.

Okay... that explains it... the OP doesn't drink but he is Bi Polar...

Would not even REMOTELY surprise me...

I'd place a big order with Domino�s

And for something completely different.............

Had some bitchin' shrimp for dinner.

Thanks for the recipe Artsy!













May I call you Artsy?

Just makes me miss Jane all the more...

So the shrimp did not suck, huh? I suppose left-overs did not happen...

You missed my text apparently.

Camarones never suck and these were worth the call. My darling wife managed to, how did she word it? Suffered through it.

Only leftovers are a bit of butter. I'll save that for some chowdah.

Took me thirteen years to get the makin's of a pair of special, expensive rifles back � undone, and not all the expensive custom hardware � from a trusted former friend in Tucson.

I do not do texts at all, so yeah, I missed it...

hardly bi polar, just tired from working every day, and tired of your lies, and bullsh!t.

if you would have read the other thread you would have seen where i posted all the pm's and where we talked about a tip and cap, and out of what material, for a cash payment.

it matters not about lines and toes, you took it upon yourself to reshape my stock with out my consent, or knowledge, hence the no como from you.

plain and simple art, stick the stock up your AZZ, and send back my .25 caliber blank and cartridge trap. that's all that needs be done at this time now.

17 months with a bitchy old man who let's emotion run his life.

a woman in drag ?

a job is a job, reguardless of, frankly, you pissed me off several pm's ago, so i'm not working on the stock, until i am in a better mood, or somewhere about those words.

you showed no work done, you admitted to touching chisel to wood before checking to make sure all was well, and you have not said a word to me in over 6 months.

enough art, send my property back.

have a great day, another rig needs moved.

Someone who is really good at stock work could do some serious reshaping/truing in an hour or two. I've watched a truly gifted professional take a stock from uninletted blank to applying the first coat of sealer in one day.

No question you should file charges. Art's behavior in this matter has gone far beyond unprofessional and is standing in the doorway of thievery. Sue him.

I cannot fathom how folks could defend Sitka here and I don't care how big of a prick Splatter is.


This is simply inexcusable and it's complete BS that any one of us would have to sue to get our property back.




Sitka, you're being a jackazz. You're better than that. Stop the stupid schitt and give the man his property back. You have absolutely no right to keep it as long as you have and you're doing a disservice to the integrity of this place by being a stubborn 'ol goat.

[bleep]...I'll pay shipping.

regardless of what ever 'he said, she said' crap is going on, if there is something that should be returned, then it should be returned.
I hate to see a thread like this. Heck, it's even more contentious than some of the scheit I get involved in.

Gels my conviction of not performing transactions here. I've had one bad experience, one so-so transaction, and have a third transaction "pending" that has now drug out to well over a year.
I suspect I eat that one, and sadly - ends any chances of future transactions.

If I can't "touch it", or with minimal effort, drive to it - it doesn't exist.

Sure screws things up for the average Joe.

If you have his property, send it back. Don't be a prick just cos he is.

Dan

The easy solution is for Art to send splats property back. WTF is so hard about that?

I have read 15 pages here, and arguments between civil Men have always amused and bewildered me, so many questions, so many excuses, so much reasoning, its all very entertaing, kinda like readin' a book

But, anybody steals from me is gonna lose there hands, end of story, pretty simple really.

Gunner

Why am I a prick ? Splain that one to me.

I've read every post on this thread and the others and frankly, I am surprised at how VAnimrod can breathe with his head stuck so far up Art Peck's ass.

I have known Splat for many years and he has opened his heart, his home and his camp to me without reservation nor payment because that is his nature. Can he be a little 'involved' with his projects? Hell yes he can for he loves planning and discussing the project. I truly believe he gets as much pleasure from planning and anticipating the end result of his endeavors as he does from settling in behind the stock and touching off a round. I was right beside him when the first elk was killed with that rifle in that "piece of firewood" as nimrod called it and it didn't seem to do so badly to me.

I have had a ring side seat for this project long before any of you were involved as Splat and I used to work side by side every day. He would get so excited about the next thing he was going to get done to his stock or his action or his barrel that even I, who is really pretty jaded about Remington based rifles (more a Mauser man myself) would be eager to hear more.

Apparently, Art Peck is a guy who doesn't want to be bothered by folks who are enthusiastic about their projects as it seemingly disturbs their aura or something..... I read the PM's, I heard the phone calls, I listened to what Splat told me and Art is NOT telling the truth. He offered to inlet the cartridge trap in exchange for the barrel blank. He and Splat discussed other work like a grip cap and forend tip and Splat clearly and plainly offered to pay for the additional work.

Splat NEVER asked, begged or requested the great impresario of stocks do ANY work for FREE. Any such insistence by Art to the contrary is a flat out fuggin' LIE.

If Splat is a freeloader and bi-polar douchebag, how come Jim has been able to put together a stock project for him with little trouble?? Splat has paid for every part of the project with cold hard cash that Art Peck could have had too. If Art had just a touch less of a corn cob up his ass and a bit more customer service skills, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I now work as a police officer and I am working towards my J.D. I have the help and advice of a very experienced pair of attorneys in assisting Splat in the return of his property. I have advised Splat to take legal action against Art, initially consisting of a certified letter to him, formally requesting the return of his property, in whatever its current condition is.

Failure to comply with this request will result in a civil action being commenced in the Magistrate Court in Aztec, NM. Art may either state his position at that point or fail to respond. In either event, based upon the material evidence that will be provided, I expect Art to be found at fault and have judgement entered against him. Under the Uniform Enforcement of Foreign Judgments Act, we will seek to apply the judgement in AK and seek the assistance of the appropriate law enforcement agencies to serve and administer the judgment.

Splat has tried to follow the "advice" of the big mouth Nimrod (appropriately and aptly named) when he told him to have faith and trust that Art would make it right. Apparently, in Art's own words, that may never happen. So who is the bi-polar prick? Art? Nimrod? I think that most folks who can read and comprehend English will know exactly who is at fault. How many times does Splat have to either ask for his property to be returned or state if that happens, nothing more will be said?? If nimrod could pull his head out of Art's ass long enough to take a breath and clear his vision, he would see Splat isn't the problem here. If he had as much influence with Art as he has implied over the MONTHS this has been going on, he surely would have advised Art to simply box up the 2x4 and move on with his life. Instead, he advocates his friend be sued! Some friend!

The court does not care what was sent to Art or whether the "lines were right" or what fuggin' phase the moon was in when the master decided to honor Splat by taking a look at the stock and found it wanting. The court will see that a contract was entered into, payment was sent along with property, work was to be carried out based upon that contract and Art has failed to honor the contract. Pretty simple concept and Art has hung himself with his own words in PM's, this and other threads. For a master, he ain't too smart and seems to surround himself with other not too bright folks.

Certified letter will be winging it's way to AK before the end of the week. Unless Art does the right thing, court papers will follow shortly thereafter. What happens now is in the hands of Art Peck as it ALWAYS has been.

Copied and quoted in case the maestro decides to delete his own words.....

Smart move and good post. Mail that letter soon!

Deal gone sour is bad enough - having it aired in public is just pathetic.

*note to self - do not conduct transactions on the 'fire.

Being morally or legally right doesn't entitle anyone to be snotty � especially not snotty in public.

Consider as a role model the Quaker, armed with a twelve-gauge double, who surprised a burglar in his house �

"Friend, I would not harm thee for the world! But thee are standing where I am about to shoot."



No mention of douche bags, feces human or otherwise, alleged maternal chastity, questionable lineage, impossible physical contortions, sexual prowess or orientation � just a clear threat clearly, unmistakably, and courteously enunciated.

lolol


That was a good one Mr Howell.

Art you have lost your integrity, you really are pathetic.......just send his property back and end this!

Makes me wonder if there [bleep] lovers along with Calvin.


+1. Place contents in box and give to USPS...[bleep] simple.

This is the only reason I read the whiz'n matches, quality stuff. Thanks.

I'll split it with you!

Let the 2 parties involved settle this, it ain't mine, your's or anybody elses business but theirs.

It would be nice if it was that easy.....

It is that easy, if they wanted it to be.

Really sucks when you have to go through all this BS to get back what is yours.

Nimrod, after all this, you are the one that looks like a douche.

So you are going to pout, rather than just mail it back?

Truer words....

Amazing how telling someone the simple facts of the situation, and lining out their TWO options, gets cast as defending someone.

Then again, I'm not surprised; way the Hell too many chickish b!tches around these days.

Really?

For pointing out that someone has easy recourse, through one of two options?

Cool. I can live with that.

It still don't change his options, though, does it?

What happened?????????? I wanna pic!!!!!

Uh-oh! Somebody said the PH word

Each party needs to just do what they feel is right, and move one. I can tell you.... I wouldnt wait 17 months for anyone, especially with poor communication. I dont know if that is the truth or not, or fuzzy details etc. But I dont have the money or the time to wait out stuff like that. I get nervous on an internet transaction after about 10 days. I am very prompt on my transactions and I provide good communication. If you dont want to talk to me a lot, then get the product sent!

In this matter, the time for talk has passed.

Ita a very sad situation that Splat has to resort to civil action just to get back what is his...

From Art's other posts on here, I've always taken him for a stand up guy, but then you read his responses on this thread, and his point balank refusal to post back Splats items, and it would seem that his actions lack character.

The back ground detail to the argument means little at the stage, as the current position appears to be that Art hasn't completed the project in a reasonable time scale, Splat therefore wants his items back, and Art is refusing to return them..

Its very sad that Art values his reputation so little he won't man up and just post the items back...

Pete, my feeling too. "Dismay" describes my feelers on this one. With Art's position having apparently devolved into "nanner nanner! You can't have it back until you stop asking for it!", which is juvenile beyond belief, there no other way to see this.

Art has the ability to end this stupid drama-fest TODAY. Why won't he? Does he WANT this drama?!

Wow this place is exciting! After reading this it is apparent that Sean is more screwed up than anyone else on this thread and I feel sorry for those people that have to deal with him!

The property in question is not even in contention here as admitted by Art Peck. With the amount of time involved in this fiasco maybe there is more to this story. Maybe the items in question here are not in the possession of Art any longer. Certainly something to consider because it is very apparent the man has the ethical and moral character of a three puckered (no pun intended) goat. Maybe you should do some investigating into where he conducts his business must obtain licensing or permits and lodge formal complaints against any entities that are responsible for issuing them. Possibly take out a small add in the local paper there Stating The Facts Only because the truth will set you free. Find other forums he participates in and post this story. You have it in writing here that he does still have your property and is deliberately holding it that is if he does indeed still have it.

Typically a person in a small town is not looked upon with favor once he or she is shown to be a thief, liar and a cheat. If you do some of the above correctly the pain will be too much for him and he will return your property or have to admit that he does not have it any longer. At that time it will be time to contact local LEO there in AK. In fact I do not know what a call into the local Sherif or PD would hurt - at least they would know about this person who lives there..

Welcome to the 24HCF Kimpek

Sean isn't a bad guy, but he's loyal to his Alaskan "buddies" to a fault +P+......

Reading comprehension has never been your forte'.

I'll take the 4 dozen or so here that've met me, and their thoughts, over your guesses, any day.

Still doesn't change splat's options, though, does it?

As per usual, folks just don't seem to want to look at facts.

He has, exactly, two choices...other than whining, that is.

You know Jeff, with as many credibility issues you've been taken to task here by other members, your post above followed with diahrrea of the keyboard on this thread, doesn't help your case much...

I don't care whether or not splattermatic is a whiner.

Sitka Deer is a thief. What the H3ll is the matter with that azzhole that he can't return the property?

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Originally Posted By: Sitka deer

To be clear, if the whiner ever stops the public posting and whining he might get his stuff
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Actually, he dropped the subject for several months, Art. You are a frigging thief.

I'm guilty, but this one gnaws at me. I have my issues with Art but I've always respected him. I just don't get the motivation on his end for dragging this out. I first heard splatter mention it what, last November?! And at THAT time, it was already a long-standing thing between them. Also at that time I- like most here- took the public position that Art was a good man and would resolve this.

It's grating on me to be proven otherwise.

The facts are, Art has something that does not belong to him that he will not return. (undisputed fact, no?)

Splat has alot more choices than sue or STFU. One of them is bringing it up on a public forum as many times
as he chooses. It tells alot about a person that thinks suit is the only answer.

Return his property sitka.. WTF is so hard about that??? I have dealt with splattermatic and he has been great to deal with. This is just plain ridiculous...

Great, another internet PI.

For what it's worth I don't see your 4 dozen friends here backing you up, You need to be honest....your here to make points with art for defending him and going after Splattermatic, you keep saying he needs to grow a set of balls and sue or shutup, when your the one who should grow a set and tell your buddy to just return the property , you seem to think that the "Fire" is your castle and your the king ,the way you go around trashing people because you disagree with them, if anyone has a problem with whining it's you.....no grow a set and quit acting like a chick!

For starting this stupid thread.
The man wronged you. Starting a stupid thread hiding behind usernames to call out someone who has no reason to be intimidated; has shown himself to be dishonest; expecting some sort of result is stupid. If you want your property back, take what evidence you have and give it to the right people.

You'll either win, or you'll lose, but you won't sound like a schoolboy at recess.

Regardless art's reputation here at the fire, if he has your property and you've requested its return and he's refusing, he's dishonest. That he can joke about it depicts a lack of character that I can't believe anyone would defend. Still, you can start a thousand threads like this and it won't result in the return of your property. Take legal action, or hunt him up.

Dan

I disagree art deserves to be called out on an issue as this, he could stop it at any time but chooses not to!

Think of the logistics of the situation though. Splattermatic will have to file court papers in another state. I beleive, he will likely have to travel to that state for the court hearing. He will most likely win, unless there are hidden details. Chances are he will be the only one who shows up in court. The win will get him a settlement, which is just as hard to collect as the situation he is in right now.

Pressure here might be enough to get the return of his rightful property. It would be worth the try. I would also be filing papers.

Aint gonna take sides in this battle but if someone had my property and wouldnt return it, I would go ballistic.

On the other hand I would have chosen to take my matters in a different course than online.

Trying to stay in the middle here....

Dude...that does sound pretty gay. Just sayin'.

If I were Splattermatic I'd try law enforcement actions before trying the courts. You often can't get any traction with the law enforcement approach, but if you do get action it will work well.

Was the Post Office used for any part of this transaction? Involving the Postal Inspectors to investigate this fraud brings a lot of teeth to bear.

If you are in different states you might try acting through Sitka's state's Attorney General's office. They will take a complaint, whether or not they will investigate and prosecute it will depend on their budget.

If it is an interstate transaction, an inquiry to Splattermatic's local FBI office is also worth a try. They really don't like fraud, but they too will have budgetary restrictions on what they can bother themselves with. If his local office can't help, he should inquire of Sitka's local FBI office.

Since the value of this property might amount to Grand Theft, there is a fair chance of a law enforcement solution.

I hate bullys!

Seriously? You think pressure on an internet forum is going to pressure him enough to ship his crap back to him? Fact of the matter is, this thing should have stayed private, between 2 men but someone decided that wasn't the way it wanted it handled.

For Pete's sake,...send the stuff.

You're better than this, Art.

I know Splatt from way back on the Falfiles,..done business with him.

He's a regular kinda Joe.

I've seen Sitka around here enough to know that he's a good guy too.

But this long distance thing has caused a tribulation for them.

I'll bet my bottom dollar if both of them could just sit down face to face for 5 minutes, this would all go away and they'd end up being buddies.

But whatever,..Art needs to send his stuff back in whatever condition it's in for whatever reason.

Knowing Splatt like I do,..that would most definitely be the end of it forever.

A used car salesman,who was a friend of mine,said:

You have to screw your friends ; your enemies and strangers watch you too close.

Art Peck has probably lost the opportunity to screw a few more "friends" as a result of this thread.Splatter' accomplished that much already.

Sounds like the "payment" barrel blank may have done been "spent".

You keep mentioning Splat's two options but why haven't you mentioned Art's options?

It's not a one-sided deal.

Art's easiest option is pretty simple. Box up Splat's property and send it back. At this point there's no need to complete the work. Splat had to buy a new stock so that he could hunt with his rifle this year.

OTOH, maybe it's better for Splat if Art doesn't send his property back. If it were me, I'd seek monetary compensation not only for the items that have not been returned but also punitive damages equal to the cost of the replacement stock. Instead of hassling with boxing everything up Art can keep it and just put a check in an envelope and mail it. Easy peasy.

Like Art always says, I'm just guessing on matters in which I have no experience. I've never let a little thing like that stop me from speaking my mind though.

Fact of the matter is art should have completed the deal in a timely fashion "17 months is not a timeley fashion" or sent the parts back to the owner,but he chooses to cause himself all this grief, not a smart man in my book!!

Really hate to side with Sean, I mean the prick should give the stuff back. But its way past time to sue the azzhole. Should have just kept things quiet, paid for some hunts, bought numerous items for the trips, then cancel out at the last minute because he had no gun, then sue the [bleep] out of the prick. Make it worth your while. Its good to have this azzhole and his business out in the open, protects others. But it aint puttin anything in splatts pockets. JUST SUE THE PRICK!!

Brutal place here---state the obvious and oh well! It sure is not looking good for Art.

1. Art has something that does not belong to him and will not return it by his own written word.
2. Art�s friends that continue to attack the OP are really showing the lack of honor and character they posses as well as misguided loyalty. Will be interesting after this is over to see not only how Art but his friend Sean will be treated by the people here because now it is clear that neither can be trusted. Art if he really was their friend should have told them to stand down because all they have accomplished is making themselves look like fool�s.
3. Hopefully with all of the alternatives pointed out here and the Post Office is a very good idea to look into the OP will get his property back because at some point Art will measure what he has to gain by what he has to lose. The respect part is gone but at least he might save himself some money, time and further trouble by just sending the stuff back because once LEO and others are brought into this situation in a small town tongues will wag like a pack of hounds chasing a coon.



If all else fails don't get mad get even!

I was thinking about that statement. There are some people who know it is not wise to run through a Teamsters Convention NAKED with a sign on their back that says �I�m Gay�!

You speaking from experience? For someone that has been here less than a month you sure seem to have a lot to say about this situation.

I am using the "quick response" option, this is aimed at no ONE particular poster.

I have no dog in this fight, but fer crying out loud Y'all sound like a bunch of premenstrual teeny boppers at a sleep over.

B!tching on a forum is akin to wrestling a pig in the mud. Sooner or later you must realize you are just getting muddy and smelly and the pig is the only one enjoying it.

Splatt and Co. need to take it to PM's with Art and act like grownups, that seems to be what Sean Has been saying for pages a lot more politely than I.

Sean, didn't you have a big call out on a fella who sold you Leicas a couple years back?



If I got screwed by a fella here, I'd be letting the whole world know about it and wouldn't be too concerned with who it annoyed.

Too bad they're too far apart for a good 'ol azz whippin. Sometimes that's the best answer.

Hell, I'd donate for airfare just to see the 2 of them 'figure it out'.

Mr Lee no disrespect intended,but splatter has been trying thru PM's to resolve the issues for 17 months and I agree communication should be between the two, but art chose to drag this out just to be under handed, and I will also disagree that sean has been polite to splatter in fact anything but polite and continues to show bad judgement in sticking up for art, what sean should have said was to tell art to get off his butt and mail the property back!

I'd send it back just to get him off my back. Pretty sad testimony of one's character to keep someone else's property.

30 pages....easy.

That's why I have my work done locally.

If you decide to ignore me or keep my schit out of spite, I'll smack you upside the head.

I'd be ashamed to keep something that didn't belong to me. Very revealing thread.

I've heard a lot of good things about Sitka and this just doesn't match up with those stories.

JM

Art, I like you, but this is pretty chickenschitt, seriously. I have been trying to stay out of this, I can't take anymore.

100% FACT!

telling, ain't it...

charlie

One hard lesson that I've had to learn the hard way, repeatedly, to my chagrin and disappointment, and at the cost of bushels of big bucks �

� superb craftsmanship is no guarantee of integrity, even among the best gun-makers and -engravers.

Neither is personal charm.

I've been taken big-time, more than once. Just had to groan, grin, and go on.

As a result, my innards aren't digesting themselves.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....

Looks like nimrod is pretty good at whining also!


[/quote]

it remains "telling" nonetheless...agreed however, quality, skill, craftmanship does not equate to integrity...really a shame whole damn thing

charlie

You ain't seen nothin yet.

Yep. Sometimes violence IS the answer.

Draws a bigger crowd, too.

What I can't understand about this whole thing is why Mr. Peck would allow his integrity and character to be called into question in this fashion.
I value my integrity, even in an internet forum behind a contrived username.

Maybe it is because we are only getting one side of the story and Art refuses to roll in the mud. This just ain't the place for this kind of pizzing match.

That will be my last on it as I stated earlier that I really didn't have a dog (pig) in the fight. Just pizzes me off to see this here.

With respect, at this point it doesn't matter if were only getting one side of the story or if they both are lieing, the OP has asked for his property back,and should be returned ASAP
art has no right to keep it!!

Because he has neither!

Really????

I once took a fairly expensive handgun to a knowledgeable and respected gunsmith, who had already done a couple of really outstanding rifles for me, for a simple front sight replacement. A year later I had to demand it's return.
He had managed to screw it up to the point that it needed replacement parts that I guess he could not obtain and didn't have the guts to tell me.
In the end, I sent it to another well respected person, who also could not restore it to original condition but through considerable effort transformed it into something better than the original.
The first guy could have done that and I would have paid for the extra work, but pride cost him other jobs I would have sent to him.

BTW Terry Lee, thanks for your great work turning a good pistol into a great one.

I've just read through this train wreck and have no knowledge of the parties, but one thing comes out very clearly.Art(sika deer) is a cheap thieving sleaze ball and vanimrod has been know in a carnal way by sika deer. I don't know the Op's history, but he has every reason to be pissed.

Ah, the Frankengun lives.

It was my distinct pleasure to work with you on that one. It sure was a screwed pooch in the beginning.

I'd forgotten about that mess, but the whole thing was pretty telling.

Ron, you know nothing of Sean, and have proven yerself an azzhole

Interesting how the mouth piece has dissappeared!

As you know nothing of me. vanimrod was in the middle of a fight that he should not have been in ...just as you are.

Gee you seem to be doing the same exact thing. Sean is a friend, and I'll back him.

There is NO other side of the story. A person has asked for his personal property to be returned after a 17 month wait. Enough said.


Terry, with all due respect, This is the exactly the place for this,We want/need to know who can be trusted. If some one simply decides not to return personal property because "I'm in a bad mood since you bothered me",Well I dont care to be the next victim in line.

As far as calling Splatter a "whiner" and his wood a "turd", thats childish.

This thread has been very telling...

Ron,

If you knew the half of it you'd know that Sean is the only person other than Splatter and Art that has a true understanding of this issue.

wow! This place is falling apart, huh? I mean seriously. Might be time for walk-about.

I'll be back in time to whoop you and the Penguin.

Then follow him into the swamp. You're no better. You are both backing an admitted thief!

The only remaining "issue" is that Art has Splatter's stuff and won't return it.He "might" if Splatter will quit botherin' him.

This whole thing started as the result of an internet forum and -no apologies to those who think otherwise - it is entirely appropriate that the ending be played out here.

It' doesn't matter what nimrod knows the OP want's his property back... end of story!

I agree...the ball is in arts court!

"STFU or sue", would you really expect anything different from an "attorney"?

All I can say is I'd send anything to Art in a heartbeat and never think twice about it.

YMMV

While I think Mr. Peck needs to return Splatter's property immediately I also respect Sean and I don't see what he's said in this thread as absolving Mr. Peck of his responsibility in this matter.
Merely pointing out a course of action likely to get results.

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Thats funny right there...

Dink

And you would probably get good service.A man makes his own reputation;good or bad.

One genuine bad mark will scare off a lot of customers who have no prior experience or personal knowledge to rely on.

Unless what Splat says here and what he's told Sean/Art privately are two different things.

Consider Splat's called Sean in the past about the situation and Sean has dealt with Art in the situation - a mediation of sorts.
There IS the possability that what Splat's saying here isn't what he's said there or agreed to there.

Quite frankly - Sean's not sticking up for Art (as those who can't read for content are asserting) as much as he's telling Splat to hike up his skirt and actually do something other than bitch and moan.

Sean's right - he has 2 choices if he feels like he's a victim of theft (regardless as to if he is or isn't) - he can file a police report or do nothing. All the crying in the world here doesn't change those choices.

Lets assume Art sold the stock to take a trip to Fiji - in the end Splat has the same choice - DO SOMETHING or do nothing and if it's nothing - Shut up already. Worse than some chick complaing that so and so doesn't like them.

Friggen DO SOMETHING about it. Sure it sucks that someone would have to sue/file a report but damn it if this isn't working then do it.

Wondering why Spat won't just call the local DA/LEO office up in AK and file a report? It's a phugging phone call - not expensive and at the least they can direct him to the best way to end this. I'm guessing here that the story we have here won't jive with any story he'd have to tell law enforecment and any "misleading truths" to them might worry him a touch more than "misleading truths" here.

Carry on......

+1

There's always three sides to a story.....

Based on what has been presented in this, and a couple other threads over the past several months, I think there's more to the story than meets the eye.

I hope and trust Splat and Art will eventually resolve this personal matter amicably and to the satisfaction of both parties.

He is doing something,he's tried pm's that didn't work he's tried open forums, doesn't seem to be working, sounds like he is sending a certified letter..... he has tried to give art the easy way out....but art doesn' seem smart enough to take it!

I once tried to fix a hole in the bottom of my canoe with duct tape. It didn't work. I didn't piss and moan about it for 9 months - I did something else. Don't confuse ineffective action with taking care of the situation.

Cripes - stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

Either Spat's primary satisfaction is just pissing and moaning (and not receiving the stock) or he's a complete moron.

Up to him to decide which it is...

I'm tired of hearing how many different stories there are ...OP wants his stuff back and art has no right to keep it any longer!!

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Now after all of the criticism here about what happened here this is very interesting. It is quiet except for the new friend of Sean and Art�s, Kamrad Les who is putting support behind one of them. Maybe Art is packing up the OP�s property and taking it to the shipper right now. Hope that is what is happening because if not Sean may come back and continue to escalate this already bad situation further by continuing to encourage the OP to take expensive legal action against Art (still cannot understand that one).

Will be betting that in 24 hours the property that Art has today will have been returned partially because of what is happening on this thread but he knows it is the right thing to do. What is uncertain is how the board will remember this problem in the future but it is telling about two people that should be avoided. Life is short and I would be very upset if my property was being held hostage.

Isn't bitching and moaning pretty much standard fare for this part of the Fire?


Figured if you wanted to talk about guns, hunting or the outdoors, you went to other sub-forums on the fire. If you wanted to lift up your skirt and carry on like a bunch of 'ol hens, you did your crackling right here(probably why most of my posts are in fact here).

To a point I agree, maybe splat was hoping for the best, I personally would have had it taken care of long ago!

Allegedly - because he has the ability to get it back but refuses to take that action. And I've become more and more convinced it's because he's affraid to give his story to LEO because that story which would require the TRUTH won't jive with what's presented here. The TRUTH might not be LEO worthy at all...

Or, door number three: Splat can't get the desired response(i.e., his stock returned to him) and is resorting to the 'scorched earth' option and trying to make Art look as bad as possible to further damage his reputation.

With all due respect Teal, you didn't pay someone to put duct tape on the bottom of your canoe and they didn't keep your canoe!

Cept Spat hasn't done what's required to get the stock back. Want a tax refund - you have to file the tax forms. He's not willing to file the forms so he can't want that refund all that much.

I don't know what or if Art has it or if it's firewood but Spat has recourse he's refusing to take and because it involves swearing out the truth to LEO, his refusal has my BS meter pegged.

Ain't the point - the point is if A doesn't work (and by his own admission and 6 pages here plus countless on other thread that's true) then do B.

All he's done is bitch that A don't work. Do B then or stop crying.

Could be, Andrew, and I am not taking sides,as I have no stake in this.

I know Splatt very well and believe in his integrity, I am guessing he only felt it would be made worse by involving the law.

Same here but damn it's getting old.

That it is.

Maybe nimrod could convince art to send the op's property back, if he knows so much about this mess! that would be the right thing to do instead of saying his stock is a dog turd and his property is junk!

I only know what I see here and bounce that off of my life experience. My life experience is telling me that the "truth" isn't in this thread and that if the law was involved - it wouldn't get worse for Art or the situation.

So you're saying Art has a legitimate reason to still have the man's stock? If so, what might that be?

I'm not inclined to get the law or a lawyer involved in my personal business I can handle myself.


Personally, if I got screwed by someone for anything around $1,000 or so, I'd get a helluva lot more satisfaction dragging their name thru the mud than sitting in some stinkin' lawyers office watching them think about all the money they were making listening to my sob story.

Maybe Sitka likes another Man's Junk.

I agree!

All he should have to do is ask for it... do you agree?

I'm saying that Splat's request for his return might not hinge just sending something back that Art agreed to work on for free. That's Splat may or may not have agreed to other terms and hasn't lived up to them yet. Like maybe the work's free if you let me finish it 100% when I can but if you want it back and I have to send it out 1/2 finished with my name on it - I want X dollars to compensate me etc. Not saying that's what happened but it's something I could see happening....

There's more here than what Splat's presented. IIRC in the last or the one before that, thread where he's pulled this - he ended up admitting it wasn't EXACTLY as presented. Art's mentioned that Splat's not been exactly honest or had the same story on just who did the rough cut on the stock to begin with - there's enough smoke there for me to think Splat's not always 100% on just how the story goes.

You all carry on - I'm done with this. But I will say this - I'd trust Sean and Art with my last dollar long before I'd trust Splat with a spare lightbulb based upon what I've seen here at the 'fire (entire body of work, not just one thread) and I've not met or done business with either Sean or Art.

YMMV -

Sean is a straight shooter who tells it like it is. He�s also got a brass set and he meets problems head on. I�d never doubt anything he told me. I spoken with him at length on the phone and traded quite a few PMs. As far as I�m concerned his integrity and morality are beyond question. If you don�t like what he�s saying, put him on ignore. It�s very easy to do and will do wonders for your perspective.

This other fight between Peck and Splatter�well, Splatter, Peck came after me on the boards back in the dark ages when he was a moderator. He even had me call him at home to tell me how important and all-knowing he was. I was less than impressed.

I view them a little different than you, I will tell you that splat has got things rolling this much I do know, I don't know anyone involved ,but no matter what this should not have gone this far, and I would trust splat long before art or nimrod based on their actions alone!

If you're referring to me, I have no problem with Sean. Might disagree with him from time to time but I like him. Quite a bit in fact.

sean may be a straight shooter he may tackle things head on but he doesn't have to bully certain people on fire like he does , just because his friends don't like certain people, he does it strickly for attention and post counts, his mouth got this thread going this direction, and has since dissapeared, talk about "Telling"

For the love of God, +1

No, I wasn't referring to any of the other posters; it was just a post to add to the pile.

If memory serves me right, that method has been tried and Sitka ignores the PM's......

The basics as have been posted by both parties is that Sitka has Splat's stock and has said he would return it when Splat quits asking about it......that kind of response should do wonders for his reputation.

Sitka should just return Splat's property and call it a (18 month) day.

Oh, I've read the thread, as I read the one back in November. As VAnimrod did point out so eloquently (sarcasm intended), if one of the parties, in this case Sitka Deer, is not willing to cough up the goods. Then you are left with limited options, one of which being legal action. The thread in November did not resolve this issue then, I see no reason to believe this one would result in a different outcome.

Want some cheese with that whine?

He knows his options.

Whether he'll actually do something is, of course, the question.

Splat has done all he should have to do to any honest person. He has asked that his property be returned and it has not been. I don't give a flip how great a guy you are if you keep something that is not yours against the will of the owner you are a thief. Pure and simple. He may be the salt of the earth most of the time. But he is still a thief. A man is either honest or he is dishonest. One lie makes a man a liar. One fling with another woman makes one an adulterer. Stand up for Art any way you want but he is guilty as hell of being a thief. A mostly nice guy thief but still a thief. That my dear friends is the honest truth. His reasons for being a thief don't matter. He is indeniably a thief.

From Wikipedia The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorized taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.

Sean and Terry......You are both great guys and I admire you both a lot. I don't know what Art's reasons are. That doesn't matter anymore. Splat has asked his property be returned. For Art to keep it now is theft.

Splat....Sean is correct in your course of action now. Since it is obvious that Art has stolen your property you must now take legal action to recover it. You would not have to do that with an honest man. Good luck.

Art....even though Splat has been a royal PIA you still owe him his property back. To do otherwise tells all here what you have the propensity to do when you get agrivated or what you might do if you make a mistake and mess up someones property. Just send him his stuff back and show everyone that you are a man of your word and honesty and integrity are not just words when it comes to you.

My last word on this. Good luck to all.

Jim

Whew...

For a while there I was beginning to think I was speaking Greek.

Thanks for pointing out that at least SOME folks around here can actually read AND comprehend what is written.

Sound like I struck a nerve....

Nope, just got what you were whining for; a response.

Learned to read, and comprehend, yet?

If not, ask teal or nsaqam; they've got it down, and both will likely teach you "nicely" so as to not offend your delicate sensibilities.

I think Art needs to open a line of communication on this and resolve it. I think most people are hesitant to bring law enforcement into a private issue because they may do nothing, or feel like they are wasting the LE's time on a private matter. If there was open communication between the two, I think this would be resolved. I am in complete agreement that this has gone to far and shouldn't be on here, It's a waste of bandwidth. However I can see Splat feeling that its his last course of action before taking it further, and I can see Art not wanting to drag it out in public, but enough is enough. They need to communicate privatly and get it resolved... ok Rant over and you won't see me on this thread again.

My comprehension is fine, and anyone with a third grade education knows right from wrong hopefully someday you will figure it out!

I will admit you whine nicely!

Yep.... and that still doesn't change splat's options, does it?

Oh, wait... there I go again; being mean and direct by point out facts.

He can either:

1) sue, or

2) STFU.

There is no third option for splat to pursue.

Clear enough, or is that "defending" someone again, by simply stating the obvious facts?

Laughable. Par for the course, though.

Please, continue. Idiots amuse me.

Don't know the whole story and don't care to.

But, the fact that some here are trying to justify keeping another man's property that was sent to him in good faith, continually ignoring his requests for the property to be returned are fooling no one but themselves.

All this "I think there is more too it..." laffin.

Let's look at what we do know. The stock was sent for work. There was a difficulty and the owner has repeatedly asked for his property back. No one is denying these facts.

Sitka has said he didn't like Splats attitude, so he has basically kidnapped the man's stock and refuses to return it.

I understand some folks like Sitka, consider him a friend and that is fine, but don't go be a prostitute and try to shove some ridiculous bullchit argument over on the rest of us.

A 6 yr. old knows it's wrong to keep something that doesn't belong to you.

Let them settle it for crying out loud.

JM

This isn't about us, and splat is going to do what he needs to do,but there has always been a 3rd option and if art would man up this thread would die!

It would appear there is no third option.

Thus, splat has to put on some big girl panties and take one of the remaining two.

Does THAT clarify it for you, YET?

Now, along with shipping and handling, we have to figure in attorney fees to recover our property! Sweet

Well, after thirty pages, seems obvious that option three is working.

- out.

If ya had a clue, you'd know what to do.

You don't, as is evidenced by the comment.

Guess what is generally included in said suit for damages? Hint...

Very clear ..a little more sanding and a little less mouth!

The clueless generally remain so, of their own free will.

Continue, as you continue to amuse me for the aforementioned reason.

VA, what's your retainer fee in all of this?

Just askin'...

There were at one time several options available.
Unfortunately, and to the detriment of Mr. Peck's perceived character, and to some extent Mr. Splatter's as well, those options no longer exist.
At this point the only recourse may be those repeatedly put forth by Sean in this thread.

None.

For or from either side.

Thankfully.

It really ain't that hard, is it?

If not, should be. No other excuse for your posts that I can see.

Having been in this little schitstorm before, there're reasons that obviously escape you.

Maybe at this point, the public humiliation of Mr. Peck is more important to Mr. Splatter than is the return of his property.

That would indeed be very sad if that were the case.

All name-calling and accusations aside........

I don't know Splattermatic and have no comment on his character nor actions.

I'm no stock maker and actually prefer synthetic, so can't comment on the stock in question, nor what was needed, requested, nor the original condition.

I cannot comment on why the work has not been completed, why the stock is still in Art's possession and why it has not yet been returned.

BUT...I'll bet anyone a Pepsi that only Art and Splat are the only individuals in possession of ALL the facts, reasons and issues; VAnimrod aside. As Paul Harvey used to say, "the rest of the story".

On the other hand, I do know Art. I have hunted with him, done business with him, spent time in his home with his family, and socialized with them all. He has done gunsmithing for me, gratis, no less. They are likewise welcome in my home, if that could be arranged. I can comment on his character.

Art is a loyal and trustworthy person. I believe him to be honest with integrity above reproach. I would trust him with any firearms, to do any work on them, and much else.

The conundrum is juxtaposing that knowledge with accusations made in this thread. Again, I can't explain this situation, but I do know that I trust Art and call him a friend.

Point is, I do have a clue. It's just pretty sad when you have to resort to civil action to recover your own property.

Oh, you're SO gonna get it now....

That changes the current facts, how?

Yup, saw it. Didn't make sense then either - 'less you got something in this like protectin' a bud.

It changes nothing obviously. But it will make me think long and hard about who I send my work to.

Big girl panties in place.

Posting this at page 13 and there's two new pages I haven't read yet buuuuuut...

Are "we" seriously busting Splatter's balls for not invoking cops, lawyers, and the law to get his stock and blank back from Sitka Deer, former moderator and a major participant of this forum?!?!

REALLY?!

THAT is being held up as the proper way for hunting/shooting men to resolve this?

This is [bleep] embarrassing. Art... dude...

Yep, protecting someone is exactly what I'm doing, by telling splat he has exactly two options (and, I still ain't wrong there).

Yep.

Reading comprehension; who knew it was so foreign?

Speaking of a [bleep] embarassment.....

Auto-correct... fixed it.

No, you haven't...

Would you still "trust" him if he kept your property for 17 months, then refused to give it back to you? Obviously Splatter' trusted him at one point too. What kind of rational man would want this drama in his life forever, rather than just making a trip to the post office?

Don't you sometimes just want to reach across the desk and slap the $hit out of someone just because they are stupid.

I could do the legal thinking and plotting but deal with the stupid is way beyond my ability now days.

This should have never reached the Fire.

That's why I think there is more to the story than ONLY what is posted here, even if the emotion and drama were removed.

John said it best.

It shouldn't matter if Art caught Splatter bending over his sister, give him the schit back and part ways.

which is why I stated above that I can't explain this jackpot. In fact there are only two people who can, and they can't reach consensus.

As soon as Splatter does go to the legal action, then the few Sitka deer supporters will still cry foul, as in "you should have handled this man to man".

I also laugh when people so freely suggest legal action, of course it's not your money splatter is spending is it?

As far as some smoking gun of untruthfulness on Splatters half,Art would have played that card along time ago.

it remains telling...

The situation is very clear just from using Spatter's and Art's own words ON THIS THREAD:

Spatter isn't even asking for his stock back.He had to buy a replacement already.

He want's the barrel blank returned which was to serve as payment for the stock work.

He want's his "stock furniture" returned which Art was to install in return for the stock blank.

Art has said he MIGHT send his stuff back to him if Spatter will quit asking for it.

THAT is all documented in this thread.ALL the speculation about what else may have gone on just clouds these basic facts.

I really wouldn't blame him, getting lawyers involved would probably cost more than it's worth. Stikka needs to man up and make this right one way or the other.

+1 I will say splatter is doing what needed to be done a long time ago, so we will see what happenes, I'm still amazed by all who have their blinders on ....very telling!

F it I'm bored. Maybe some humor is what this thread needs.

I know the solution! Get bricktop involved! He'll solve this crime!

Even better solution . . . . Don't feed the trolls and send the stuff back.
An even better better solution . . . . Don't feed the trolls and get the law involved and let this die.

I like this solution. Both sides do what is right, wipe the sand out, and never speak of this again.

I would love this to go 30/40 pages but with nothing but pictures of big mule deer so I can tell everyone posted to adopt me so I can go hunt big mule deer again.

I am a troll sometimes when I am bored. plz don't feed me. I am too fat and when I am bored I write stupid stuff to try and either make people laugh or shake their head.

All joking aside,
Art, send the stuff back man. These threads about you are getting old.
Splat, if he don't, do what you gotta do but stop these threads man. I am getting tired of reading all the negative stuff happening on this fire.
You both know what is right and you both know the options. Can you guys trade a couple PM's and put an end to this?

Not taking sides, just trying to be reasonable in a funny, stupid, level headed way.

Kique

Coming soon, cuz!!! Many thanks. BTW, PM me your email addy, I'll send pics straight away on the morrow... Or if you still have my email, use that instead!

Deal, tomorrow isn't good for me, but we should touch base for the weekend or next week. The first descent float hunt is coming up quick...

Take care.

I have been on the fire for some time. I would like to think there is a reasonable excuse for Art to not send back the property of Splattermatic as he has requested...just can't phathom one at the moment.

Every quarrel is a private one. Outsiders are never welcome...

Scott and Sean,

Respect to both of you, but you're wrong.

This transaction only occurred, because of the Fire. This is an internal matter.

At this stage of the game airing it out here is completely appropriate.

Public shaming is used very effectively in other cultures as a method of punishment for certain crimes. Unfortunately for our culture, publicly shaming someone just humiliates them and they dig their heels in no matter how wrong they are. The effectiveness of public shaming works very well in cultures where Honor and Duty aren't just words mouthed in the taking of various oaths; Honor and Duty are prized in those cultures where public shaming works. Here? Not so much.

That don't mean what you think it does!
lol...

I mean, laffin.......................

Couldn't do it, Mike.

Well it's working.

I googled Art Peck...... I hope he's not single,looking for a job, or running for office... 'cause it don't look good.

Ruin your name over a cartridge trap...Classic!

Very telling

Ouch.

Honestly- Splatter could be the biggest a-hole in the world (not saying he is), and Art would STILL be solidly in the wrong at this point.

I've had a couple recording sessions that went south somewhere along the line. If a client requests their stuff back I am stumbling over my [bleep] feet, I'm trying so hard to get it to them ASAP.

Play a stupid game, win a stupid prize. Art... come collect your prize. And it pains me to say that, and that's no lie.

+1

JUST A COMMENT, NOT IN RESPONSE TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR �

More and more, I'm coming to realize that (a) the Internet is a risky "place" to do business, and (b) the Campfire is no exception. I've been scalded here twice, so now I'm suspicious of even cold water. I'm not easy with the idea of doing any more money business via the Internet unless the other guy is somebody whom I already know and trust.

Absolutely correct and I'll even bump that figure to ten grand. Case in point, I was swindled by a Custom rifle maker of over six grand in Washington state. So I hired a lawyer, sued him obtained a judgment for the amount plus lawyer fees that he agreed to. He ignored it. Hauled him back to court and he was a no show so an arrest warrant was issued by the court for Contempt. Since it's a Civil Warrant the cops don't actively serve these, and that was over to years ago. So all I did was throw another two grand down the [bleep] for the attorney. The laws favor the perpetrator and if it out of state, forget about it. jorge

sold a set of tires to a cousin on credit. He was to pay me some each week. When it dawned on me that he was dodging me for several weeks, I found his car, put the Hi-Lift jack in the middle, took everything, and put his ride on the ground. Amazing he was able to find me then..

There is no question of ownership. No matter what has transpired, I can't imagine Art forcing Splatter to get the law involved just to get his stuff back. I have to believe if there was at least one rational mind this situation wouldn't be where it is. Art, if your goal was to lower yourself to your perception of Splatter, you've succeeded.

"Nice guy" Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't rewarded for all those people whom he didn't kill.

Correct.

Attorneys getting involved is laughable......I'd guess that's one of the things wrong with America today. If this thread doesn't result in a return of merchandise, nothing will.

+ 1,000,000

Well this is a lively thread! After reading all of this maybe we are not giving Sean credit where credit is due. He may indeed know more than what is posted here and as a result knows that Art better than others who have commented on this matter both pro and con as it relates to returning of the property.

When you read all of the postings it is apparent that what on the surface looks like Sean supporting Art when he is actually implying that the man is not honest or ethical and taking specific legal action will be required to get the OP�s property back. Wow with friends like Sean who needs enemies! Art should have asked him just to keep his post count down and �recuse� himself from these proceedings.

Still waiting for Art to end this and he should before because it has the potential to escalate further. This whole thing defies not only logic but the most basic application of commonsense because Art is in a no win situation.

Drama Drama Drama!!

Is Art still a moderator?

Sheriff's Offices serve court order civil warrants & criminal warrants generally, not City Police. If this order came out of a court in the county in question, the S.O has an obligation to serve it. That is one of the duties of the Sheriff in the state of Wa.

Every S.O has a civil warrant div. to handle these duties. If an contempt order was issued, this would be under the control of the criminal warrant div. all S.O's have these also. So your saying that this paper has yet to be served? If the person has moved, since this occured, they'll only attempt service at the last known address. Any further investigation as to the persons where abouts is depending on the agency and how much digging the person serving the warrant wants to do. If it's an arrest warrant, it's been entered into NCIC and if the person is stopped, he can be arrested for it.

An interesting fact, you wouldn't believe the number of people who have arrest warrants in their names from out of other states, that i stop or come in contact with. These folks are in the NCIC system. When we contact the agency holding the warrant, manytimes the answer is that the agency/DA's office will not extradite them. So i have to turn them loose versus taking them into custody for this other agency. I'll still get a current address and forward it to the agency, if they want to do anything later.

I do not agree.

If this thread doesn't result in a return of merchandise... the law is the only option.

This is a "he said - she said" with a lot of well meaning folks taking sides.

In the end, neither party gets satifaction.

Franlky I don't see how this could not end up in court.

Well I have news for you. I called the Sheriff's office more than once and those doughnut eating pukes have better things to do I guess. The warrant is still active. Moreover, I've told that whomever gets his ass arrested and he coughs up the money, they can keep half.

Not really... you can sue for court cost...

This can get really ugly... for no good reason.

The World Wonders

Listen sock puppet, you really should be posting under your regular byline.
You are too familiar with the details of the principals in this thread to be a newcomer. Man up and post under your normal byline dude.

Which county?? Did they tell you, that they attempted service and the person couldn't be located? The bigger the county, just like many Govt. agencies, your going to have less, one on one cooperation or response on things.

Do you know if the person has moved? Sad to say this, but if the person has moved and they don't have a good address or if it's outside of their jurisdiction, they're not going to serve it.

Lincoln County Wash state. They told me they dont serve civil warrants. They only enforce them if they happent to stop the guy for a traffic violation, etc. They NEVER attempted to serve it and yes he is still there and his daddy a big shot farmer in the county.

"Sad to say this,"

No,....actually,...you've said it HUNDREDS of times here you smarmy preachy plick.

I'll goddam well post EVERY one of em',....

you're not "sad",....that just runs off of your tongue,....OOZES, as it were

I wish we could chase down, and abort the sorry POS that TAUGHT you to respond,....ad infin [bleep] nitum, in that vein

He really inflicted something on 'Law and Order" that this Country never needed, wanted, or deserved.

I see that the last name issue, has come into play here. Lincoln is a small county in population. Sorry to hear that. Have you pretty much folded your hands on this? Have you tried talking to the judge who issued the warrant? But manytimes the judges & sheriff are tighter then ticks, in these smaller counties.

Ouch

Yep, pretty much. Not worth the effort.

I see that your still hangover, by how you respond. Yes it is sad, in a case as this with Jorge. The agency has an obligation to serve this paper, but won't due to DNA of those involved, that is wrong, but it happens.

I was telling Jorge the facts of how it would turn out. Sadly as i stated, it might not get served. So tell me Mr. Welder, how many civil or criminal warrants have you ever served?? Again,, another issue that you, know nothing about or how the system works.

By the time splatter were to pay for airfare, a hotel, missed time from work, court costs, just to go all the way to AK to sue in small claims, he loses regardless of judgement. Art has him by the balls and knows it. Classless...

Your [bleep] me?? I thought you had got all your money back and his ass was put out of business. I'm sorry to hear that jorge, I know how much you wanted that rifle. Wish I still had connections in Washington state but unfortuantely, I do not.

Nope. We won the judgment and he agreed to pay, then reneged and the doughnut-dopes refuse to arrest him on the civil warrant alone. A seven grand lesson learned. On the bright side, I've been very fortunate to have been picked up by a couple of companies post-retirement, so I have a made to order double showing up in about two weeks or so. Still, I'd be willing to GIVE that money to whoever gets that [bleep]'s ass in jail and his family living under a bridge sharing a tooth brush.

At 7g's that is a tough lesson to learn. You handled it much better than I would have jorge. Post up those pics of your new double when it arrives if you don't mind.

The big chitty just keeps on rolling.

Who is under the mask?

"At 7g's that is a tough lesson to learn."

It's called "Out of state tuition".

I posted some of the pics of the double in the "white" over on the Africa forum:

Jorge's Double

Not sure if were talking about the same person here, but if we are, is part time integrity acceptable, He doesn't seem to be practicing the traits you mention, normally people with the traits you mention conduct their business different then he is , there are a few here (4) that seem to feel the need to let art know they are backing him even though he is wrong in keeping the OP's property....time to take the blinders off....!

Mob mentality is an interesting phenomena, not pretty, but interesting.

Really? How does this thread meet the definition of "Mob mentality"?

Kinda like situational ethics.

It doesn't!

Some seem intent on using selective parts of my post, so here is the entire post again with important parts bolded. I actually know one of the principals in this jackpot. I wonder how many posters here have met and know either Art or Splat out of 370 posts?

There is more to the story. Betcha.

this is still going on?


Jesus wept.

I know, I know. I should have left off the front page.

I have a hard time abandoning friends or stabbing them in the back, in spite of the PMs.

Tis why I respect you, and I ain't writing Art off yet, no way in hell I would write Sean off. There are reason's we ain't seeing, and it ain't none of our business. I find the whole thing pretty chickenschitt!

Why don't you start a defence thread ,say 10.00 per person? I would pay ten buck to see ART get his

Attitude straightened out! Keep your hands to yourself and don't bite anyone ,and if it ain't yours then it

must be mine. Actually Splatt should owe Nimrod monnies for advice , cause he only has two legal options .

But I would like said send funds to someone whome will see that splat gets enough money to see this lawsuit through. And Art pays for having fun at the expense of others.

Bob

I really don't know what to make of all this, (and it don't matter) other than even your best hen is gonna schit in the henhouse....

ALL the [bleep] hens chit in the hen house.

Now you're getting it....

Aw, [bleep], I got this from the start. The residents are running the asylum.

I didn't particularly like Art, but I did respect him.

Very surprised to find myself being forced to rethink that.

This is [bleep] bizarre. Art- END THIS FIASCO!!

I can't believe this thread is still alive and no one has stepped up to put an end to this nonsense.

This is the house that Rick Bin built therefore this is his house. For anyone, you, I, Art, splat, to have caused and/or created this mess, is chickenchit!
This is a really cool place with basically no moderation and no expulsions. we moderate ourselves. I was never raised to run a muck in anyone's house. For Splat to drag this on is pretty bad. For Art to say splat might get his stuff back when he gets around to it is pretty bad. Where is the respect? And I am speaking to both sides involved. I have no dog in this fight other than Rick Bin and the 24hourcampfire, which are affected by these childish games.

If you guys can't respect each other, thats one thing, but atleast respect Rick, the campfire and the other campfire members that have to read this crap.

Someone be the bigger man and put an end to this crap! Times like this I sure wish Rick would step in, not that anyone would listen.

Kique

The 24/7 Political Bitchfest is no different.

Valid and appreciated observation.

wow..this is rediculous from start to finish. Like school yard BS. Hate to see this on here. Folks throwing a Donald Duck fit over something that should be a private matter..I vote we keep it as it was intended..

I 2nd

This entire thread would come to an end if Art would explain why he is unwilling to return Splat's property ...

If there was a justifiable and reasonable explanation.

Splat has given his side and has stopped posting.

Sooooooo ...

Guys are gonna be talkin' and fussin' about SOMETHIN' anyhow.Might as well be this.

It's like a soap opera - except there is REAL $$$$ involved.

THAT adds to the drama.

I doubt it bothers Rick at all.

If Rick Bin were to step in it may not what you want .He has let you decide whst happens here (much like Gods

Will)You let things happen even if you don't try .


Bob

Very simple and "telling"

Rick won't.

He and Art are fishing buddies, and Rick probably doesn't know Splattermatic from a bowling ball or a hat rack.

And I think that Rick is strictly neutral in Campfire squabbles.

Certified letter formally requesting the return of Splattermatic's property was mailed yesterday, return receipt requested. Mr. Peck has 14 business days from receipt of the letter to return the property or face legal action. Complaint is ready to be drafted, evidence is prepared and hopefully, none of it will be required.

All Mr. Peck has to do is box up Splat's property and return it.

No further comment will be made on this topic by either myself or Splat until such time as a resolution or other course of action is dictated by Mr. Peck's actions or lack thereof.

I know what I'd do...

all he would have to do is refuse to accept delivery of the certified letter.

Then he has dictated a course of action. If he is reading this thread, if he refuses the delivery, said letter will be posted here and then everything follows on from that. His choice, as it always has been.

I thought it was/is quite entertaining.

That will just bring on the 2nd part (legal action) Course of action is set.

Why does he have to explain anything to us? It's nobody's business but the 2 involved in this squabble. Honestly, I think some some of you guys live for this [bleep]. And folks cutting and pasting only parts of other members posts to fit their own agenda is more telling than this thread could ever be.

I'll be glad when this slow motion train wreck is finally over.

I know I'd rather eat a dogsh-t meatloaf as to be directly involved in this abortion.

Gunner

Wouldn�t that just be a �dog sh-t loaf�? �

unless you mixed ground meat in with it and then it would be a �dog sh-t meat loaf�� but� that would be just... crazy.

Snake

HAHA, You got me there temmi

Gunner

Pretty sad that the OP as had to resort to this just to get his property back. From what I have read is Art used to even be a moderator here and his legacy will always be that he is the person who would not return a members property. Not much or a reputation left for him because every post he ever makes people will always shake their heads and remember.

On the other hand if there are legal expenses that are going to be incurred by the OP and if someone wanted to set up a �fund� to help defray the costs I would be willing to contribute with the proper disclosure of course and someone here Beyond Reproach to administer the fund.

Why do all you guys that are bitchin' about this post keep reading it? Huh????

They want all of us in the cheap seats to know how wise and rational they are.

Oh really? Somebody in the streat cries they've been wronged, and the crowd gathers with tar and feathers in hand. How is that not mob mentality? Some people have a personal beef with Art and are taking advantage of this thread to attack him. Others have been wronged in the past by someone completely unrealated to this issue, yet are using this venue to vent their frustrations and someone attack everyone that has wronged, or is percieved to have wronged someone. Yet there are still others that simply want to attack from the sidelines, because that is the way they are.

We have only been presented with one side of the story, and perhaps that side has not given a complete and accurate presentation of the facts, something worth considering before passing judgment.

Could both sides have handled this differently? Certainly. Hindsight is always 20/20. Some people simply can't be made happy and would rather trash somebody then try and seek resolution to an issue.

I only know a little bit from both sides of this story, so I'm not going to make a judgement on what happened, nor how it should be resolved. I'll give both sides the benefit of the doubt.

What is not in dispute, having been acknowledged by both concerned parties, is that Mr. Peck has in his possession items which belong to Mr. Splatter and which Mr. Splatter has asked to be returned to him.

BS
Now would be a good time to STFU.

I am not understanding your comment. Art admitted to keeping the items in question....... What else is there????? Nothing will change that ever..

For starters that you would have to ask. Add your high self esteemed proclamation =STFU

I'm in it for the entertainment value only.

FVA - Sorry but keeping property that is not your is nothing short of being a thief. Admitting it publically is another thing but just because you are letting emotions cloud your judgment does not alter the facts here. Should you have something substantive to add please do so or stand down.

All right girls, it's probably a good time to let this thread die. Art has said his piece 15+ pages ago. Splatter is no longer posting either. Any further posting is just a continued disservice to the rest of the fire. Why doesn't everyone head over to this thread and hang a nice pic or two.

It will be over when the property is returned. If Art wants to end this it is very simple. Will take just five words!

"I am returning your property"...

Is it OK with you if we watch " THE VIEW" ?

I'm thinking that we've met Kimpek before. Several times before in fact.

Is he an "older" man?..

Uhh,No, that would be me or TLEE.

I'm thinking about 69-70 years old with a well thought out layaway plan.

I just read this whole thing hoping that by the time I got to the end the issue would finally be resolved. Serves me right for procrastinating at work....

After 17 months what possible reason could a guy have for keeping another mans property, exspecially when both parties know the deal has no good outcome?

BTW I don't know art, can't remember ever having any issues with him and don't have a beef with him other than I think he should return OP's property!