I was killing deer with .222's, ,223's and .22-250's long before any of these super "deer bullets" even existed. Folks who think it takes super special bullets to kill deer with a .22 crack me up. You must have listened to all the old gun rag hacks that repeatedly said .22 centerfires were not adequate for deer because the bullets would blow up on the surface and not penetrate deep enough to kill. Those gun rag hacks were full of shyt all along. I have killed dozens of deer with ordinary 50 and 55 grain soft points from .222's and .223's and never had that happen. One of the biggest bucks I've ever killed fell instantly to one 50 gr. Nosler solid base through the lungs from a .222..