Well you guys are telling him !!!!! grin I just got an original 1895 deluxe rifle in 405 friday ,made in 1904 the first year of the 405. fancy wood, checkered, lyman reciever sight ,and jotsam pad. ill letters right from winchester .This pad is unmarked ,some came with Winchester embossed in them. I have a regular winchester 1895 in 405 made in 1928 also. for a rifle with over 3000ft.lbs. of muzzle energy these really shoot nice ,just a little push no harsh recoil. maybe next year i'll dump a black bear with the deluxe its nice but i will hunt it. Don

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