Originally Posted by Everyday Hunter
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
....show me the evidence....show me the evidence....show me the evidence....show me the evidence....show me the evidence....

Summing up: You are a broken record. By "evidence," in every case you mean scientific and empirical evidence. That view makes a god of science. You overlook the fact that we use other kinds of evidence all the time, and even scientific evidence is lacking conclusiveness. Inconclusive is not proof of anything. I don't know whether you call yourself an agnostic or an atheist. You only argue the agnostic position but you do it with the insistence of the atheist.

You think all the evidence proves the non-existence of God, so you put yourself in the position of judge and prosecutor, overruling any evidence but what you introduce. You require someone who believes in God to use that evidence to prove his position. The trouble with that is that then you become the jury -- and you declare yourself winner of the debate. The truth is that no believer needs to prove God's existence. He only cares to show you that you do not need to come to the conclusion you have reached. If someone could convince you -- with only the evidence you lay on the table -- that God exists, that he created everything, that he is sovereign, that Jesus rose from the dead, and that he's coming back, none of that would gain you one millimeter of standing with God.

When this becomes a debate over who is smarter, which your previous ad hominum arguments suggest you think it is, you apparently think the question of the existence of God is a question that only the people you regard as most intelligent have any real suasion. The problem with that is that lots of believing people are smarter than you are. That's no problem for you -- you simply fall back on an ad hominem argument. Being smart is irrelevant. Chances are you're not even the smartest person on a discussion forum. You lost this debate a long time ago.

Steve.


I've never claimed to be the smarted person on this forum. Now you are just making stuff up. As for my alleged ad hominem, since when is a sharp example or a request for evidence an ad hominem?

As for your opening statement, it's essentially an admission that you have no evidence.

As for your whole court analogy, it's absurd. Because my position is different then yours I'm not allowed to make up my own mind? To whom am I to defer as Judge and Jury, your preacher? As for "the winner", it's not for you, or I to decide that. It's for each reader to decide for themselves.

But then, in the end, you so eloquently make my point:

Originally Posted by Everyday Hunter
The truth is that no believer needs to prove God's existence.




You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell