No secret that I cannot hunt and get around like I would like, want, or used to. Fortunately for me I have made friends with a family near here who have lots of old growth, grown over orchards on their property as well as loads of berries and little drizzley creeks in the canyon floors. If a guy is patient, and quiet for a few days he can watch a hillside or saddle in between orchards and sometimes at last light in the fall catch a glimpse of a bear on the move. This is now my preffered method of hunting just about anything. Sit, glass and sshoot.
Last fall, just a few days before bear season opened up, JJHack (Jim Hackewicz), the landowner and I rode quads up to check out a few of thes saddles or natural crossings and I spotted a size XXL bear moving in between brush patches. Jim - who has LOADS more experience in judging bears than I - confirmed that this was indeed a big bear. I quit scouting and from that moment on I was not hunting for a bear, I was hunting for THIS bear. I saw the bear one other time in the open for a moment when the season was open, but the range was close to 500 yards so I held my fire - barely...... A few days later I was back up on that same mountain but positioned myself so that if the bear showed in the same place, I would be close enough for a fairly decent, apx 200 yards, shot.
As it happens in hunting, I would have been better off in my original glassing spot as the bear appeared directly across the canyon from where I HAD been sitting and waiting. But, I had lazered the opening where the bear now was before settling in for the evening and knew it to be almost exactly 350 yards. That range is a dead on hold for my wildcat 340 Tyrannosaur pushing 225gr Barnes TTSX's at a full chronographed 3100fps. So, that is what I did. I held on the rear ribs of the quartering away bear and touched off a BIG chunk of solid copper at very high speed.
In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill. A couple of seconds later that wonderful, familiar ka-WHOP sound of a good, hard hit reached my ears and I literally jumped up in joy and thrilling feelings.
By the time I got to the other side of the canyon and onto the trail of the bear, it was getting very dark and I was begining to take falls and near falls among the blowdowns and blackberry and rose bush tangles.
I called for some help from the landowners, and they came and found blood and got (as it turned out,) very close to the bear but no luck that night before it became far too dangerous to go on.
As soon as I got within cell phone service areas I called my good friend Jim Hackewicz (JJHack from here) and requested his assitance the next morning. In addition to his help, the landowner, who is also an avid hunter, fired up his old full size 4x truck with a commercial fishermans net winch mounted in the bed! This thing in immense, and carry's TWO FULL MILES of 5/8 inch steel cable on it! The truck with winch was parked directly above where we believed the bear to be, and Jim found the shortly thereafter while I was covering the possible escape routes. JIm had to put a finisher in the bear with his 44 Magnum revolver as I had not taken into account the bears forward motion when I held on his back ribs for a kill shot. During the time I touched off the round and it arrived on site, the bear had moved forward some and I had hit, and busted up, his hips and furthest rearward verterbrae. So, the bear was well anchored, but still needed a finishing shot from Jims gun.
With MUCH excitement, hollering, adrenaline and thusly plenty of scratches and bruises in getting all the way TO my bear, this is the nasty, straight up steep, thorn filled scene where he fell:
A really happy JJhack and Safariman together at the bear kill site:
Then came time for the work.....
1) Call in the big rig:
2) haul the cable straight down to Mr. Bear:
3) Place an appropriate collar on the new "pet" bear:
4) then UP we go!
5) and up, some more! (amazing how well this works....) :
For size reference, I am 6'3" tall, I weigh in at 250, and this bear was and is a lot bigger than me. Meat is in the freezer, rug mount should be finished this month some time.
It had been a couple of years since I shot a bear, I had not felt like going but with this scenario I was able to make a hunt work out. I am still pretty thrilled with my fair chase, no bait or hounds bear, and by far my largest black bear. Right at 19 inches of skull, squared. I will let you all guess his live weight, I only know for sure it was a LOT. Jim and I could bbear-ly ( ) budge him to set up the photos, and we are both ppretty muscular, strong guys, even though my joints hurt a lot.
Sorry it took so long to post these, They are from my I phone and I did not know how to get them into photobucket until very recently. Oh well, it was fun just now re living and telling the story! I hope you enjoyed it, as well.
love the bear retrieval rig.....80 some year old father in law keeps a roll of rope in his truck thats prolly atleast a half mile for pulling deer out of the deep coulees here......either he attaches a pulley to our truck if we are with him or a post if we are not, run the rope through the pulley, down to the deer and then drive down the road and up comes the deer....works best with three people but can be done with one.....
love the bear retrieval rig.....80 some year old father in law keeps a roll of rope in his truck thats prolly atleast a half mile for pulling deer out of the deep coulees here......either he attaches a pulley to our truck if we are with him or a post if we are not, run the rope through the pulley, down to the deer and then drive down the road and up comes the deer....works best with three people but can be done with one.....
That is ANOTHER good way to do it! I have a small ATV winch in the back of my avalanche, but I have to get the dead creature close to the truck before it does me any good.
BTW, to any of the still capable folks here who might thinnk this is 'cheating' to winch out a bear, I have backpacked out a bunch of stuff, loved doing so, but physically just cannot make that happen any more. I am so very glad to have real freinds who make it possible for me to still hunt at all these days.
love the bear retrieval rig.....80 some year old father in law keeps a roll of rope in his truck thats prolly atleast a half mile for pulling deer out of the deep coulees here......either he attaches a pulley to our truck if we are with him or a post if we are not, run the rope through the pulley, down to the deer and then drive down the road and up comes the deer....works best with three people but can be done with one.....
That is ANOTHER good way to do it! I have a small ATV winch in the back of my avalanche, but I have to get the dead creature close to the truck before it does me any good.
BTW, to any of the still capable folks here who might thinnk this is 'cheating' to winch out a bear, I have backpacked out a bunch of stuff, loved doing so, but physically just cannot make that happen any more. I am so very glad to have real freinds who make it possible for me to still hunt at all these days.
to hell with cheating im crippled dammit.....plus if you do wind up out here for the Ice Breaker shoot you will see the coulees im talking about in places.....70* or greater and not even sagebrush to pull your self up with......can spend all day making a couple trips and risk hurting yourself or get the long rope....
YEAH MAN! Much better to be out there with the bears than in the finest hospital in the world!
I got to go back to the horsepital in one week though. This time it is my turn to be the patient. Have high hopes of some relief and real help there at CTCOA. Maybe, hopefully, more and better hunting in the future.
No Turkey hunintg for me, though, since I discovered the great fun of sitting in one spot and blasting away at spring ground squirrels until the barrels on the guns are too hot!
I gave away all my turkey hunting stuff after a couple of years of no use.
If your up for it, I'm gonna spend a couple days over by Cle Elum. You'd be welcome in camp. I'lll even let ya use the 12ga with a pretty stock, I'll shoot the plastic one. Hah!
If your up for it, I'm gonna spend a couple days over by Cle Elum. You'd be welcome in camp. I'lll even let ya use the 12ga with a pretty stock, I'll shoot the plastic one. Hah!
One of the things I love most about them, nothing to clean, cook or have to eat! Just feeding the iggles and such.
Probably as close as mine would be! I really do not know for sure. No way to get him to a scale in that (realtively, for October) hot weather without risking meat and hair both.
You are probably in the right range.
This much I know, I was really GLAD to have my big 340 in my hands, as I would not have dared the shot with anything sub 30 caliber, and not many 30 cal's either. 300WBY, yeah, probably. 308? No way in heck! Not that I couldn't have hit him with a 308, but it was a lot EASIER to hit this beast with my big gun, and I had total confidence in its ability to anchor him with a decent hit. We do not always get to pick a broadside shot or a close enough shot for a little gun.
It was a great story Mark and I'm glad one of the good guys here at the Campfire(you,just in case you are as thick headed as me)got such a great bear. And congrats to Jim as well.Thanks much.
Didn't bone him, and the meat went to several different places. Hams to be smoked etc. I still have a BUNCH of it, and if anyone of you comes through this way, you are welcome to go home with some.
Didn't bone him, and the meat went to several different places. Hams to be smoked etc. I still have a BUNCH of it, and if anyone of you comes through this way, you are welcome to go home with some.
I was in your house just a couple of weeks ago and you didn't mention this then. Why???
Didn't bone him, and the meat went to several different places. Hams to be smoked etc. I still have a BUNCH of it, and if anyone of you comes through this way, you are welcome to go home with some.
I was in your house just a couple of weeks ago and you didn't mention this then. Why???
I should have, didn't figure you would want to mess with it on such a short trip here, dealing with your brother, and then BOOM back to Japan. But it is very likely that it will still be here when you finally get to land stateside for good.
Maybe I read a different story than everyone else, but your "super" rifle gave you the confidence to "make" the shot, which ended up hitting the bear to far back, which caused the bear to suffer all night before finally being put down the next morning by your friend? Not sure I would be proud of myself in the same situation, but congrats?
Maybe I read a different story than everyone else, but your "super" rifle gave you the confidence to "make" the shot, which ended up hitting the bear to far back, which caused the bear to suffer all night before finally being put down the next morning by your friend?
No, you read the correct story. I can't figure out what so many before you were reading and why congrats are being tossed around like something noble was accomplished. If I caused an animal to suffer all night, the last thing I'd do is slap myself on the back and pose for "hero" shots. What a deal.
Somehow, I knew you two would be along to try and toss some cold water.Fortunately, I am pretty immune now, not so much effect when you are so predictable.
Hunt enough and you will eventually miss. Maybe by a little, maybe by a lot. One of the reasons I like Craig Boddingtons writing is he admits to and wrotes about misses, wounded animals, and failures when they happen. I wish I had hit him perfectly, no joy in his suffering for sure. The near miss does not distract from the effort and patience required to get an opportunity, or the size of the bear.
The near miss does not distract from the effort and patience required to get an opportunity, or the size of the bear.
Tells me all I need to know about your ethics and character as a "hunter", Mark. Misplaced shots certainly happen, but not many people have the nerve to celebrate them with "hero" pics and delusions of grandeur. Don't let me spoil the fun, though. Keep pretending that you've really done something noble here while ignoring the agony that bear suffered for hours and hours at the hands of your inability to accurately shoot a .340 Assissoreus. Bravo.
The near miss does not distract from the effort and patience required to get an opportunity, or the size of the bear.
Tells me all I need to know about your ethics and character as a "hunter", Mark. Misplaced shots certainly happen, but not many people have the nerve to celebrate them with "hero" pics and delusions of grandeur. Don't let me spoil the fun, though. Keep pretending that you've really done something noble here while ignoring the agony that bear suffered for hours and hours at the hands of your inability to accurately shoot a .340 Assissoreus. Bravo.
Even the best hunter misses sometimes, and sometimes due to circumstances beyond our control the wounded animal can't be recovered until the next morning. Sometimes the animal is dead when found, sometimes it's alive and suffering.
I've helped friends search in the dark for wounded deer on several occasions. In one case I found the buck about 2 hours after sunset on a black-as-coal night, nearly fell over him in the thick stuff. He'd been spined, but he still tried to hook me with his antlers and nearly got me.
Poking around in dense bush on a steep hillside in the dark looking for a possibly wounded deer is one thing. Doing the same when it's a 500+ pound bear is another thing altogether, a potential recipe for disaster. Black bears, especially big ones, are capable of terrific ferocity. Waiting for first light to find him was IMHO the smart thing to do, and certainly not "unethical". Putting your life unnecessarily at risk is not "ethical".
I'm sure Mark regrets the animal's suffering, he's not an azzhat. And just because he didn't get a clean kill on this bear doesn't mean he isn't entitled to rejoice in the success of his hunt.
A really happy JJhack and Safariman together at the bear kill site:
Thanks for the story and pics, Mark, I really enjoyed your post!
As noted above, it's very sad that the bear had to suffer through the night, but these things happen. I'm glad Jim found & finished him in short order once it was safe to do so.
I can't help but notice how long this bear's muzzle is... very unusual, but his ears and dish-face are clearly blackie.
I think your neighbor's "recovery vehicle" is a damn smart idea. Even if you'd not had your health issues, getting that bear up and out of there in such warm temps would've been dicey.
I'm sure Mark regrets the animal's suffering, he's not an azzhat. And just because he didn't get a clean kill on this bear doesn't mean he isn't entitled to rejoice in the success of his hunt.
Your post says a lot more about your character than it does about Mark's, it seems to me. And I'm not paying you a compliment here.
This isn't about a misplaced shot and the choice not to attempt recovery at night. We all know those things happen and are very unfortunate. How and why they happen is another story, though.
SNAKE, I agree with you that how and why bad stuff happens important. But I don't think there's enough information in Mark's story for me to judge the how and why in this case, and that's why I don't believe it's fair to cast aspersions on his ethics and character. I could make assumptions, but I didn't and won't.
SNAKE, I agree with you that how and why bad stuff happens important. But I don't think there's enough information in Mark's story for me to judge the how and why in this case, and that's why I don't believe it's fair to cast aspersions on his ethics and character. I could make assumptions, but I didn't and won't.
Read about it in the rifle forum if you care to fill in the blanks.
SNAKE, I agree with you that how and why bad stuff happens important. But I don't think there's enough information in Mark's story for me to judge the how and why in this case, and that's why I don't believe it's fair to cast aspersions on his ethics and character. I could make assumptions, but I didn't and won't.
Read about it in the rifle forum if you care to fill in the blanks.
Correct. My post in this forum came after reading the other threads about this "success" and Mark's attitude toward rifle cartridges, shot selection and what "real" hunting is all about. The dots connected themselves rather easily.
....as I would not have dared the shot with anything sub 30 caliber, and not many 30 cal's either. 300WBY, yeah, probably. 308? No way in heck! Not that I couldn't have hit him with a 308, but it was a lot EASIER to hit this beast with my big gun, and I had total confidence in its ability to anchor him with a decent hit. We do not always get to pick a broadside shot or a close enough shot for a little gun.
....as I would not have dared the shot with anything sub 30 caliber, and not many 30 cal's either. 300WBY, yeah, probably. 308? No way in heck! Not that I couldn't have hit him with a 308, but it was a lot EASIER to hit this beast with my big gun, and I had total confidence in its ability to anchor him with a decent hit. We do not always get to pick a broadside shot or a close enough shot for a little gun.
Right and legal is not always in the same sentence....
I'm acutely aware of that. The point being, if JJ did the right thing and risked getting cited for it, why point that out on a public forum? He's not the one who ass-shot the bear.
SNAKE, I agree with you that how and why bad stuff happens important. But I don't think there's enough information in Mark's story for me to judge the how and why in this case, and that's why I don't believe it's fair to cast aspersions on his ethics and character. I could make assumptions, but I didn't and won't.
Read about it in the rifle forum if you care to fill in the blanks.
Correct. My post in this forum came after reading the other threads about this "success" and Mark's attitude toward rifle cartridges, shot selection and what "real" hunting is all about. The dots connected themselves rather easily.
I appreciate the heads-up, 8SNAKE, I'll go check it out when I get some time later. I didn't realize there was more to the story than what's in the OP of this thread.
It appears I owe you an apology for casting aspersions on your character, now.
225gr@3100FPS and ....."In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill....."
Right and legal is not always in the same sentence....
I'm acutely aware of that. The point being, if JJ did the right thing and risked getting cited for it, why point that out on a public forum? He's not the one who ass-shot the bear.
225gr@3100FPS and ....."In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill....."
Was the 350 yd shot made with a recoiless rifle?
No, of course not. But at that distance, the field of view is quite large in a good scope. I have watched animals fold iin my scope before.
RE the "azz shot" The shot looked and felt really good when the rifle went Ka Boom. By the reaction of the bear and the look and feel of the shot, I rreally believed that I, and later we, were merely looking for a very dead bear. As it turns out I made an error in failing to calculate the bears forward speed and progress during the time of the rifle going off and the bullet striking 350 yards away. I have made simlilar shots and longer ones many times, including a black bear at a lazered 408 which also dropped on the spot and was dead as soon as his belly touched the dirt. I thought this was the same scenario, and only after recovery of the bear did I figure out where my error was. In the excitment of a hunt, and seeing what was for me the black bear of a lifetime, it was a simple, easy and relatively minor shooting error. the miss was by inches, and the hit was not in the "azz" liks some have mis quoted. It was a forward raking shot that landed a bit too far back but was an anchoring shot that looked like and felt like a DRT kill shot.
And yes, this bear and others have caused me to appreciate my bigger rifles and learn to shoot them well. Some, whose hunting territories and methods are different can and do get along with different armament. Heck, lots of my old houndsmen friends killed truckloads of bears with 30/30's and 44 leverguns and revolvers. Fit the rifle, cartridge and bullet to YOUR hunting type, style and game. In my case and my region, the big boomers ahve a real place and give a bit of a margin that I appreciate. Anyone can make a shooting error while hunting and I freely admit that I made one on that day. I am still very proud of my bear, and have very fond memories of that weekend, however. The name calling naysayers cannot change that. And, excepting Boxer who really does have a valid opoinion and room to talk based on real world experience, I do not recall seeing or hearing very many hunting stories from most of the naysayers of late, come to think of it.
Much easier to be a Monday Morning armchair QB full of "I woulda's". Always has been that way so this thread and its sometimes negative content is no big surprise. Like I said a couple of pages ago, these few name callers are consistent and predictable and thus, of little effect to me now. I still enjoyed posting my story and my bear and I am proud of both, as well as my rifle whose cartridge is my own creation.
Find a guy who has never made a mistake, and I will show you a man who has also attempted to DO very little of anything.
I appreciate the heads-up, 8SNAKE, I'll go check it out when I get some time later. I didn't realize there was more to the story than what's in the OP of this thread.
It appears I owe you an apology for casting aspersions on your character, now.
No worries, Doc. You couldn't have known otherwise and I didn't allude to anything in my (admittedly very harsh) reply. Wounding animals due to poor shot selection is one of my hot buttons and Mark didn't even make the slightest apology for wounding that bear. He just glossed over all of the bad stuff that happened and focused on the "hero" pics and high fives. He also seems to think that a big-bore rifle slinging boolits at uber-speed gives one freedom to take any shot that presents itself because such combinations are magic rays of death, except this one time when it didn't quite work out. No big deal, though. Unless you're the bear...
225gr@3100FPS and ....."In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill....."
Was the 350 yd shot made with a recoiless rifle?
No, of course not. But at that distance, the field of view is quite large in a good scope. I have watched animals fold iin my scope before.
RE the "azz shot" The shot looked and felt really good when the rifle went Ka Boom. By the reaction of the bear and the look and feel of the shot, I rreally believed that I, and later we, were merely looking for a very dead bear. As it turns out I made an error in failing to calculate the bears forward speed and progress during the time of the rifle going off and the bullet striking 350 yards away. I have made simlilar shots and longer ones many times, including a black bear at a lazered 408 which also dropped on the spot and was dead as soon as his belly touched the dirt. I thought this was the same scenario, and only after recovery of the bear did I figure out where my error was. In the excitment of a hunt, and seeing what was for me the black bear of a lifetime, it was a simple, easy and relatively minor shooting error. the miss was by inches, and the hit was not in the "azz" liks some have mis quoted. It was a forward raking shot that landed a bit too far back but was an anchoring shot that looked like and felt like a DRT kill shot.
And yes, this bear and others have caused me to appreciate my bigger rifles and learn to shoot them well. Some, whose hunting territories and methods are different can and do get along with different armament. Heck, lots of my old houndsmen friends killed truckloads of bears with 30/30's and 44 leverguns and revolvers. Fit the rifle, cartridge and bullet to YOUR hunting type, style and game. In my case and my region, the big boomers ahve a real place and give a bit of a margin that I appreciate. Anyone can make a shooting error while hunting and I freely admit that I made one on that day. I am still very proud of my bear, and have very fond memories of that weekend, however. The name calling naysayers cannot change that. And, excepting Boxer who really does have a valid opoinion and room to talk based on real world experience, I do not recall seeing or hearing very many hunting stories from most of the naysayers of late, come to think of it.
Much easier to be a Monday Morning armchair QB full of "I woulda's". Always has been that way so this thread and its sometimes negative content is no big surprise. Like I said a couple of pages ago, these few name callers are consistent and predictable and thus, of little effect to me now. I still enjoyed posting my story and my bear and I am proud of both, as well as my rifle whose cartridge is my own creation.
Find a guy who has never made a mistake, and I will show you a man who has also attempted to DO very little of anything.
That's something you should have put in your story instead of waiting to be called out on it. If it would have happened to me that way, I'd have included it in the story but it's your story and you tell it how you see fit.
That bears a pig and i'm glad you were able to recover it. Congrats!
225gr@3100FPS and ....."In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill....."
Was the 350 yd shot made with a recoiless rifle?
No, of course not. But at that distance, the field of view is quite large in a good scope. I have watched animals fold iin my scope before.
What scope was used and at what power if a variable? What is the weight of the rifle? Muzzle brake?
225gr@3100FPS and ....."In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill....."
Was the 350 yd shot made with a recoiless rifle?
No, of course not. But at that distance, the field of view is quite large in a good scope. I have watched animals fold iin my scope before.
What scope was used and at what power if a variable? What is the weight of the rifle? Muzzle brake?
Scope is a 2-10x44 Burris EuroDiamond Posi Lock. No brake, rifle goes about 11 lbs loaded and ready to hunt.
225gr@3100FPS and ....."In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill....."
Was the 350 yd shot made with a recoiless rifle?
No, of course not. But at that distance, the field of view is quite large in a good scope. I have watched animals fold iin my scope before.
RE the "azz shot" The shot looked and felt really good when the rifle went Ka Boom. By the reaction of the bear and the look and feel of the shot, I rreally believed that I, and later we, were merely looking for a very dead bear. As it turns out I made an error in failing to calculate the bears forward speed and progress during the time of the rifle going off and the bullet striking 350 yards away. I have made simlilar shots and longer ones many times, including a black bear at a lazered 408 which also dropped on the spot and was dead as soon as his belly touched the dirt. I thought this was the same scenario, and only after recovery of the bear did I figure out where my error was. In the excitment of a hunt, and seeing what was for me the black bear of a lifetime, it was a simple, easy and relatively minor shooting error. the miss was by inches, and the hit was not in the "azz" liks some have mis quoted. It was a forward raking shot that landed a bit too far back but was an anchoring shot that looked like and felt like a DRT kill shot.
And yes, this bear and others have caused me to appreciate my bigger rifles and learn to shoot them well. Some, whose hunting territories and methods are different can and do get along with different armament. Heck, lots of my old houndsmen friends killed truckloads of bears with 30/30's and 44 leverguns and revolvers. Fit the rifle, cartridge and bullet to YOUR hunting type, style and game. In my case and my region, the big boomers ahve a real place and give a bit of a margin that I appreciate. Anyone can make a shooting error while hunting and I freely admit that I made one on that day. I am still very proud of my bear, and have very fond memories of that weekend, however. The name calling naysayers cannot change that. And, excepting Boxer who really does have a valid opoinion and room to talk based on real world experience, I do not recall seeing or hearing very many hunting stories from most of the naysayers of late, come to think of it.
Much easier to be a Monday Morning armchair QB full of "I woulda's". Always has been that way so this thread and its sometimes negative content is no big surprise. Like I said a couple of pages ago, these few name callers are consistent and predictable and thus, of little effect to me now. I still enjoyed posting my story and my bear and I am proud of both, as well as my rifle whose cartridge is my own creation.
Find a guy who has never made a mistake, and I will show you a man who has also attempted to DO very little of anything.
That's something you should have put in your story instead of waiting to be called out on it. If it would have happened to me that way, I'd have included it in the story but it's your story and you tell it how you see fit.
That bears a pig and i'm glad you were able to recover it. Congrats!
Thank you for the congrat's, I tried to put that stuff in the story, but not well enough I guess. From my post:
"as I had not taken into account the bears forward motion when I held on his back ribs for a kill shot. During the time I touched off the round and it arrived on site, the bear had moved forward some and I had hit, and busted up, his hips and furthest rearward verterbrae."
I had a good rest with my shooting sticks, was calm and rested, seated on a hillside, had my sling up and around my upper arm, and for all the world had every reason to believe that I had just made a DRT kill shot, just like other bears and Elk etc. I have taken at long range.
No one wants to allow an animal to suffer, and especially not me. We have a house FULL of rescue pets here, and Sherri and I have been trying to live catch a squirrel with a broken leg near here. Plan is to pay to have his leg fixed on our dime if we can catch him. If anyone suggests that I revel in the pain of an animal they simply do not know me and are dead wrong.
Being human, though, I can occasionally miss by a bit. Take enough shots at big game, and you will, too.
Thank you for the congrat's, I tried to put that stuff in the story, but not well enough I guess. From my post:
"as I had not taken into account the bears forward motion when I held on his back ribs for a kill shot. During the time I touched off the round and it arrived on site, the bear had moved forward some and I had hit, and busted up, his hips and furthest rearward verterbrae."
Here's a gem from one of your other rah-rah threads about this hunt...
Originally Posted by safariman
I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums. The scene.... A VERY large, probably once in a lifetime for me, fat, bowlegged, male black bear. Quartering away and about to get away, 350 yards out.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
What would YOU have wanted in your hands, with the always very real possibility of a less than ideal shot placement? And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
You like to believe that people come after you unjustly, but the truth is usually far from it. You post crap like this, let the dog pile build up, play the role of the victim and proceed to rearrange the story line in an attempt to reflect better upon yourself. The script is old and very predictable, but you keep reading from it. There was a time when I felt sorry for some of the abuse you took, but that day is long gone. I believe you revel in the drama that's created in these threads, which is quite sad. I hope better for you, Mark. I have for quite some time. Perhaps you'll turn things around some day.
So, you say you busted it's hips, and it's rear most vertebrae. A bears tail is right behind its rearmost vertebrae(in fact it could be considered it's rearmost vertebrae). Where is a bears tail? On it's [bleep] ass! Then a few posts later you claim you didn't hit it in the ass. Gimme a break. Maybe if you would have had a caliber you could actually shoot, instead of filching from the recoil of your macho uber rifle, you would have made a good shot, not wounded a bear, and then left it lay there to suffer for hours. Much less post pictures of your smug self and brag all over the internet about how great you are. Geeeeezus, it just keeps getting better. A simple picture of the bear, and an "I got one" would have been much better than what you posted. But hey, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I care too much about the animals I pursue and the sport I love.
He also said the shot "well-anchored" the bear, yet two guys looking for it didn't find it, despite a blood trail. Didn't sound very "well-anchored" to me but it's possible I'm missing something.
And yes, I'm familiar with tracking and recovering animals after dark in thick stuff. If you're not prepared to do that, don't take a shot at dusk.
I want to see a better pic.of the pick up with 2 full miles of 5/8" cable! That is almost 8000 lbs. of cable alone,plus the weight of the winch.Must have uber duty springs!
Saved the meat because the animal was still alive.
Good thing about telling your own story is, you can make it what you want. A bad shot that allows the animal to wander off and suffer all night becomes a shot that "well-anchored" the animal.
225gr@3100FPS and ....."In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill....."
Was the 350 yd shot made with a recoiless rifle?
No, of course not. But at that distance, the field of view is quite large in a good scope. I have watched animals fold iin my scope before.
What scope was used and at what power if a variable? What is the weight of the rifle? Muzzle brake?
Scope is a 2-10x44 Burris EuroDiamond Posi Lock. No brake, rifle goes about 11 lbs loaded and ready to hunt.
What power was your scope adjusted to for the shot?
I want to see a better pic.of the pick up with 2 full miles of 5/8" cable! That is almost 8000 lbs. of cable alone,plus the weight of the winch.Must have uber duty springs!
Dude, you should have been there. It was UBER..... EVERYTHING. Not one bit was un-UBER. Including awesome.... UBERED. Kinda like UBER squared, only with more UBER.
The man followed up the next day, recovered the animal and apparently saved the meat. A lot of you mofos need to just move on and get a life.
If you have no problem with people taking poor shots, animals being wounded, and left to suffer for hours, and then bragging about it, maybe you're the mofo that needs a new hobby? I hear knitting is nice.
The man followed up the next day, recovered the animal and apparently saved the meat. A lot of you mofos need to just move on and get a life.
Apparently other "mofos" (as you so eloquently put it) need to spend more time thinking about what it means to take a life. The day I celebrate crippling an animal with "hero" shots and a myriad of self-aggrandizing internet posts is the day I want my friends to forcibly stop me from hunting again. I wouldn't deserve the privilege.
The man followed up the next day, recovered the animal and apparently saved the meat. A lot of you mofos need to just move on and get a life.
Apparently other "mofos" (as you so eloquently put it) need to spend more time thinking about what it means to take a life. The day I celebrate crippling an animal with "hero" shots and a myriad of self-aggrandizing internet posts is the day I want my friends to forcibly stop me from hunting again. I wouldn't deserve the privilege.
I was glad for EVERY ONE of the 225 grains of solid copper bullet weight, and each and every one of my 3100fps muzzle velocity when I took the shot in the linked story above, which I just posted in the general campfire and general big game forums. The scene.... A VERY large, probably once in a lifetime for me, fat, bowlegged, male black bear. Quartering away and about to get away, 350 yards out.
I would not have tried this shot with a 223, 243, or any other sub 30 caliber bullet, and I was lovin my uberfast wildcat big 33 when the opportunity came along to poke this guy, and hard.
Ask yourselves after you look at my photos of this years bear and read my report if you would have made an attempted shot with a rifle that was much less than mine in power and capabilities.
What would YOU have wanted in your hands, with the always very real possibility of a less than ideal shot placement? And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
Yeah. I would. Lots more where this came from in the Scenar thread including bull elk MUCH bigger than your bear (which is a dandy, BTW). And all with a 'target' bullet. But whatever.
And in case anyone missed it...
.308 with ONE SHOT and no suffering. So much for 'enough gun'...
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
530 meters broadside 155gr scenar.
450 meters with same bullet and same exact result.
I've got a pal who uses the 155's out of his .30/.338 at 3200+ they work for him too.
No secret that I cannot hunt and get around like I would like, want, or used to. Fortunately for me I have made friends with a family near here who have lots of old growth, grown over orchards on their property as well as loads of berries and little drizzley creeks in the canyon floors. If a guy is patient, and quiet for a few days he can watch a hillside or saddle in between orchards and sometimes at last light in the fall catch a glimpse of a bear on the move. This is now my preffered method of hunting just about anything. Sit, glass and sshoot.
Last fall, just a few days before bear season opened up, JJHack (Jim Hackewicz), the landowner and I rode quads up to check out a few of thes saddles or natural crossings and I spotted a size XXL bear moving in between brush patches. Jim - who has LOADS more experience in judging bears than I - confirmed that this was indeed a big bear. I quit scouting and from that moment on I was not hunting for a bear, I was hunting for THIS bear. I saw the bear one other time in the open for a moment when the season was open, but the range was close to 500 yards so I held my fire - barely...... A few days later I was back up on that same mountain but positioned myself so that if the bear showed in the same place, I would be close enough for a fairly decent, apx 200 yards, shot.
As it happens in hunting, I would have been better off in my original glassing spot as the bear appeared directly across the canyon from where I HAD been sitting and waiting. But, I had lazered the opening where the bear now was before settling in for the evening and knew it to be almost exactly 350 yards. That range is a dead on hold for my wildcat 340 Tyrannosaur pushing 225gr Barnes TTSX's at a full chronographed 3100fps. So, that is what I did. I held on the rear ribs of the quartering away bear and touched off a BIG chunk of solid copper at very high speed.
In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill. A couple of seconds later that wonderful, familiar ka-WHOP sound of a good, hard hit reached my ears and I literally jumped up in joy and thrilling feelings.
By the time I got to the other side of the canyon and onto the trail of the bear, it was getting very dark and I was begining to take falls and near falls among the blowdowns and blackberry and rose bush tangles.
I called for some help from the landowners, and they came and found blood and got (as it turned out,) very close to the bear but no luck that night before it became far too dangerous to go on.
As soon as I got within cell phone service areas I called my good friend Jim Hackewicz (JJHack from here) and requested his assitance the next morning. In addition to his help, the landowner, who is also an avid hunter, fired up his old full size 4x truck with a commercial fishermans net winch mounted in the bed! This thing in immense, and carry's TWO FULL MILES of 5/8 inch steel cable on it! The truck with winch was parked directly above where we believed the bear to be, and Jim found the shortly thereafter while I was covering the possible escape routes. JIm had to put a finisher in the bear with his 44 Magnum revolver as I had not taken into account the bears forward motion when I held on his back ribs for a kill shot. During the time I touched off the round and it arrived on site, the bear had moved forward some and I had hit, and busted up, his hips and furthest rearward verterbrae. So, the bear was well anchored, but still needed a finishing shot from Jims gun.
With MUCH excitement, hollering, adrenaline and thusly plenty of scratches and bruises in getting all the way TO my bear, this is the nasty, straight up steep, thorn filled scene where he fell:
A really happy JJhack and Safariman together at the bear kill site:
Then came time for the work.....
1) Call in the big rig:
2) haul the cable straight down to Mr. Bear:
3) Place an appropriate collar on the new "pet" bear:
4) then UP we go!
5) and up, some more! (amazing how well this works....) :
For size reference, I am 6'3" tall, I weigh in at 250, and this bear was and is a lot bigger than me. Meat is in the freezer, rug mount should be finished this month some time.
It had been a couple of years since I shot a bear, I had not felt like going but with this scenario I was able to make a hunt work out. I am still pretty thrilled with my fair chase, no bait or hounds bear, and by far my largest black bear. Right at 19 inches of skull, squared. I will let you all guess his live weight, I only know for sure it was a LOT. Jim and I could bbear-ly ( ) budge him to set up the photos, and we are both ppretty muscular, strong guys, even though my joints hurt a lot.
Sorry it took so long to post these, They are from my I phone and I did not know how to get them into photobucket until very recently. Oh well, it was fun just now re living and telling the story! I hope you enjoyed it, as well.
No secret that I cannot hunt and get around like I would like, want, or used to. Fortunately for me I have made friends with a family near here who have lots of old growth, grown over orchards on their property as well as loads of berries and little drizzley creeks in the canyon floors. If a guy is patient, and quiet for a few days he can watch a hillside or saddle in between orchards and sometimes at last light in the fall catch a glimpse of a bear on the move. This is now my preffered method of hunting just about anything. Sit, glass and sshoot.
Last fall, just a few days before bear season opened up, JJHack (Jim Hackewicz), the landowner and I rode quads up to check out a few of thes saddles or natural crossings and I spotted a size XXL bear moving in between brush patches. Jim - who has LOADS more experience in judging bears than I - confirmed that this was indeed a big bear. I quit scouting and from that moment on I was not hunting for a bear, I was hunting for THIS bear. I saw the bear one other time in the open for a moment when the season was open, but the range was close to 500 yards so I held my fire - barely...... A few days later I was back up on that same mountain but positioned myself so that if the bear showed in the same place, I would be close enough for a fairly decent, apx 200 yards, shot.
As it happens in hunting, I would have been better off in my original glassing spot as the bear appeared directly across the canyon from where I HAD been sitting and waiting. But, I had lazered the opening where the bear now was before settling in for the evening and knew it to be almost exactly 350 yards. That range is a dead on hold for my wildcat 340 Tyrannosaur pushing 225gr Barnes TTSX's at a full chronographed 3100fps. So, that is what I did. I held on the rear ribs of the quartering away bear and touched off a BIG chunk of solid copper at very high speed.
In my scope I watched in total excitment as the bear just folded up, dropped to the ground, and rolled down the steep hill. A couple of seconds later that wonderful, familiar ka-WHOP sound of a good, hard hit reached my ears and I literally jumped up in joy and thrilling feelings.
By the time I got to the other side of the canyon and onto the trail of the bear, it was getting very dark and I was begining to take falls and near falls among the blowdowns and blackberry and rose bush tangles.
I called for some help from the landowners, and they came and found blood and got (as it turned out,) very close to the bear but no luck that night before it became far too dangerous to go on.
As soon as I got within cell phone service areas I called my good friend Jim Hackewicz (JJHack from here) and requested his assitance the next morning. In addition to his help, the landowner, who is also an avid hunter, fired up his old full size 4x truck with a commercial fishermans net winch mounted in the bed! This thing in immense, and carry's TWO FULL MILES of 5/8 inch steel cable on it! The truck with winch was parked directly above where we believed the bear to be, and Jim found the shortly thereafter while I was covering the possible escape routes. JIm had to put a finisher in the bear with his 44 Magnum revolver as I had not taken into account the bears forward motion when I held on his back ribs for a kill shot. During the time I touched off the round and it arrived on site, the bear had moved forward some and I had hit, and busted up, his hips and furthest rearward verterbrae. So, the bear was well anchored, but still needed a finishing shot from Jims gun.
With MUCH excitement, hollering, adrenaline and thusly plenty of scratches and bruises in getting all the way TO my bear, this is the nasty, straight up steep, thorn filled scene where he fell:
A really happy JJhack and Safariman together at the bear kill site:
Then came time for the work.....
1) Call in the big rig:
2) haul the cable straight down to Mr. Bear:
3) Place an appropriate collar on the new "pet" bear:
4) then UP we go!
5) and up, some more! (amazing how well this works....) :
For size reference, I am 6'3" tall, I weigh in at 250, and this bear was and is a lot bigger than me. Meat is in the freezer, rug mount should be finished this month some time.
It had been a couple of years since I shot a bear, I had not felt like going but with this scenario I was able to make a hunt work out. I am still pretty thrilled with my fair chase, no bait or hounds bear, and by far my largest black bear. Right at 19 inches of skull, squared. I will let you all guess his live weight, I only know for sure it was a LOT. Jim and I could bbear-ly ( ) budge him to set up the photos, and we are both ppretty muscular, strong guys, even though my joints hurt a lot.
Sorry it took so long to post these, They are from my I phone and I did not know how to get them into photobucket until very recently. Oh well, it was fun just now re living and telling the story! I hope you enjoyed it, as well.
MARK
Congrats, that head looks like a Brown Bear.
Thanks, I have seen a few brown bear, and shot one. He does have a slight resemblence. Another member asked if he might have any griz blood in him, but I shot him hundreds of miles south of any known Grizzly populations. Closest one's I know of are up at Glacier Park due North of here about 200 miles or a bit more. Just a good sized black bear, especially for a vegetarian black bear. The REAL monsters typically come from near lots of salmon streams such as in Alaska. I have hunted them some up there, but didn't see a real brute so did not kill one there. Some days, could have shot a 1/2 dozen up there without trying. Amazing place in many respects.
I love a good hunting story but some stories just need to stay out of the forums and this is probably one of them. Not to bash but I would put the ol 340 t-rex up 11 lb hunting rifle [bleep] that is to damn heavy! and find a good shooting 270, 280, 30-06. I like the barnes bullet but I will take the accubond all day long over the TSX.
If you put in on an open forum, you make it the business of anyone who chooses to read the post.
Interesting perspective. But I find it most curious that only a few feel the need to post thier opinion about my hunt over and over in the same thread. And feed into one another. Always the same 5 or 6 members, in lock step with one another. Most fascinating but also very sad for them to have to entertain themselves in such a miserable manner. Proffessional name calling mud slingers on the internet? How noble and Galant
I seriously didn't think my POS meter could go any lower, but somehow this fool keeps lowering the bar.
Everybody phugs up a shot from time to time, and unfortunately bad things happen. But coming on here and bragging about a total phug up is just about the worst thing a guy could do. Shows a total lack of disrespect for the animal. Ever heard of being humble?
Just as bad are the people defending this crap like it's some sort of accomplishment!
If stunts like this are considered a successful hunt, I feel ashamed to call myself a hunter.
Thanks, I have seen a few brown bear, and shot one. He does have a slight resemblence. Another member asked if he might have any griz blood in him, but I shot him hundreds of miles south of any known Grizzly populations. Closest one's I know of are up at Glacier Park due North of here about 200 miles or a bit more. Just a good sized black bear, especially for a vegetarian black bear. The REAL monsters typically come from near lots of salmon streams such as in Alaska. I have hunted them some up there, but didn't see a real brute so did not kill one there. Some days, could have shot a 1/2 dozen up there without trying. Amazing place in many respects.
Lucky for them. You would've have ass shot them too........while watching it in the scope. Unfuvkingbelieveable. No brake and dinosaur recoil, but you were watching. But it would have been UBER......and fast. A deadly combo. If you'd have taken the shot. Laffin.
If you put in on an open forum, you make it the business of anyone who chooses to read the post.
Interesting perspective. But I find it most curious that only a few feel the need to post thier opinion about my hunt over and over in the same thread. And feed into one another. Always the same 5 or 6 members, in lock step with one another. Most fascinating but also very sad for them to have to entertain themselves in such a miserable manner. Proffessional name calling mud slingers on the internet? How noble and Galant
Given your two posts on the same hunt, it seems like more than 5 or 6.
Do you realize how bad this looks to the anti-hunting community? When you post up crap like this, it just adds to their fodder against us.
Let me get this straight... Shoot a bear in the ass. Bear suffers all night, then someone else finished him off. Pose like you are actually the responsible party for killing the bear. Drag the bear across the rocks with a winch until his hide is ruined. Post hero shots on multiple forums, so everybody knows what a badass you are. Then get pizzed when people call you on it.
This turns me off to hunters; let alone someone on the fence.
I remember a similar goat [bleep] from a few months back where a guy wounded a bull elk, passed another bigger one up because it was 40 degrees, drove 40 hours straight to a place that a biologist told him to check out while on his way through the state, etc. Since he wasn't highly unpopular like safariman has become after his classified fiascos, he was not just given a pass, quite a few members congratulated him and talked about what a bad azz he is. Funny how chit like that works.
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
by me.
Well written.
He didn't kill anything. He just wounded an animal and then had to call a guide to come in and clean up his mess.
Since you bastids have been so hard on my large bore, uber fast bear wounder today, I have acquired a reamer to make the worlds greatest bear slaying rifle......... The .416 Gladiator Maximus. 4,000,000 FPS. I see every shot in my scope. I am still the awesomest. You are not.
I will post this on numerous forms, to share my stud-ly-ness. You are welcome.
Since we were up in a draw off of the highest ridge on Hinchinbrook Island, no. My buddy center-punched him right in the sternum with an 8mm mag. He still ran 75 or so yards and had to be shot two more times to keep from crawling into a creek
Safariman: I have had some problems shooting at distance. I try to get as close as possible but last year shot from 450 for several reasons not the least of which as needing to fill my freezer. I was a few inches back from where I aimed and I believe this to be due to rifle cant. At long distances any angles in your rifle become a factor and you might get a level to attach to your scope for long range shooting as a few inches makes a big difference and it's why bear hunters usually want to be 200 and in. Also their hair length can distort the vital area. Glad you found and salvaged the bear!
Mark, When you say you are thrilled with your fair chase, no bait or hounds bear, what exactly do you mean? Do you look down on the use of bait or hounds? In many places spot and stalk hunting is pretty much impossible.
Just as a matter of interest, I do not care if the man f_cked the animal to death with a feather pillow, it was his hunt and his story and it is not for me to be a miserable bastard and pick either to pieces.
Mark, When you say you are thrilled with your fair chase, no bait or hounds bear, what exactly do you mean? Do you look down on the use of bait or hounds? In many places spot and stalk hunting is pretty much impossible.
Mark, When you say you are thrilled with your fair chase, no bait or hounds bear, what exactly do you mean? Do you look down on the use of bait or hounds? In many places spot and stalk hunting is pretty much impossible.
NOT IN THE LEAST! I have hunted and shot bears using both methods, and even owned a pack of Walker hounds for a couple of years. Both are honorable and sporting pursuits in my view. I was only mentioning that taking a bear of this size without the use of those helps added, to me, a bit of the sense of accomplishment. But, if I had shot this bear with the use of hounds (a can no longer keep up with hounds or follow them at all these days) I would still be very proud of him.
Just as a matter of interest, I do not care if the man f_cked the animal to death with a feather pillow, it was his hunt and his story and it is not for me to be a miserable bastard and pick either to pieces.
Thank you for the pictures SM.
PS, JJH...well done fellow.
As to the pictures and story, you are welcome.
More to the point, Thank you for stating the obvious so well. I have never done this to another mans story, I was raised with the motto that if I did not have something nice to say, don't say anything. That there are several folks here who, for a reason totally unknown to me, seem to revel in pounding about any of my posts or threads into a mess. While this is quite fascinating, it is also very sad for these poor souls whose life must not contain very much else to do and certainly nothing positive to dwell upon or do.
If you put in on an open forum, you make it the business of anyone who chooses to read the post.
Interesting perspective. But I find it most curious that only a few feel the need to post thier opinion about my hunt over and over in the same thread. And feed into one another. Always the same 5 or 6 members, in lock step with one another. Most fascinating but also very sad for them to have to entertain themselves in such a miserable manner. Proffessional name calling mud slingers on the internet? How noble and Galant
What's so interesting about his perspective?
He's absolutely spot on, you post a hunt report/story on an open forum and you open yourself up to criticism right along with the congratulations. Like it or not, that's the way it works and you know it.
I personally couldn't give a chit how Mark killed the Bear and how he got it out . Let the man tell his story and if you don't like it , then why say anything , just stop reading it, and stop the trashing of him because you don't agree with how this hunt turned out. It was his decision to shoot and sometime perfect bullet placement just doesn't happen. Animals get crippled sometimes regardless of how perfect the shot is or isn't. At least they recovered it and it wasn't left for worm bait.
.....if you don't like it , then why say anything , just stop reading it....
You could say this about any post on this forum, but no one, including you, does it.
The definition of a forum is a place where people go to exchange ideas and opinions. By posting on a forum, you are opening yourself up to those opinions both negative and positive.
It's not rocket science, and there are no victims.
Maaan, there are some �ber self-righteous types on this thread.
Some days being alive and having the will to go on is a huge accomplishment and my hat is off to those who do. I can't wait to hear from the critics when their bodies and lives are falling apart. I am sure they will still be packing elk out ten miles, all up hill and will have killed them with a slingshot.
I agree with Ranger, this is about something else. Just sayin.
When my body and life is falling apart, I'm not going to be trying stuff I shouldn't be doing. And I'm not going to expect people to give me a pass for being involved in a chitshow of my doing, just because of my condition.
Maaan, there are some �ber self-righteous types on this thread.
Some days being alive and having the will to go on is a huge accomplishment and my hat is off to those who do. I can't wait to hear from the critics when their bodies and lives are falling apart. I am sure they will still be packing elk out ten miles, all up hill and will have killed them with a slingshot.
I agree with Ranger, this is about something else. Just sayin.
That's what you took from this? Wow.
I saw no mention from any of the realists of how this hunt should have been done in a tough guy manner.
When my body and life is falling apart, I'm not going to be trying stuff I shouldn't be doing. And I'm not going to expect people to give me a pass for being involved in a chitshow of my doing, just because of my condition.
When my body and life is falling apart, I'm not going to be trying stuff I shouldn't be doing. And I'm not going to expect people to give me a pass for being involved in a chitshow of my doing, just because of my condition.
Absolutely.
Being old and in poor shape is no excuse for shooting game in the azz, then coming on the internet and bragging like it was some sort of accomplishment.
It was a chitshow, and his actions in the field and on here make a lot of us look bad.
So a drunk driver makes everybody who drinks look bad???
FWIW, I doubt Mark would have taken the shot had he not been fairly certain that the bear was as good as dead when he pulled the trigger...I also seriously doubt his choice of attire was picked out in order to "show off" his tats...
You guys that are trying to crucify the man, apparently know VERY little about him...
Personally, if the OP had just posted the thread he did here and left it at that, I wouldn't have commented. When he posted what he did on the Hunting Rifles forum and congratulated himself for using his "Uber-fast 33" he took the whole story from "one man's hunting story" into an entirely different area (discussion of the merits of various chamberings for tough shots on big game) which was his own doing.
To whine about people commenting on that just compounds the foolishness.
Mark, When you say you are thrilled with your fair chase, no bait or hounds bear, what exactly do you mean? Do you look down on the use of bait or hounds? In many places spot and stalk hunting is pretty much impossible.
NOT IN THE LEAST! I have hunted and shot bears using both methods, and even owned a pack of Walker hounds for a couple of years. Both are honorable and sporting pursuits in my view. I was only mentioning that taking a bear of this size without the use of those helps added, to me, a bit of the sense of accomplishment. But, if I had shot this bear with the use of hounds (a can no longer keep up with hounds or follow them at all these days) I would still be very proud of him.
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. Just saying that without bait or hounds it would be very tough to take a bear here.
Mark, When you say you are thrilled with your fair chase, no bait or hounds bear, what exactly do you mean? Do you look down on the use of bait or hounds? In many places spot and stalk hunting is pretty much impossible.
NOT IN THE LEAST! I have hunted and shot bears using both methods, and even owned a pack of Walker hounds for a couple of years. Both are honorable and sporting pursuits in my view. I was only mentioning that taking a bear of this size without the use of those helps added, to me, a bit of the sense of accomplishment. But, if I had shot this bear with the use of hounds (a can no longer keep up with hounds or follow them at all these days) I would still be very proud of him.
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. Just saying that without bait or hounds it would be very tough to take a bear here.
That is very true in many areas. In reality, being able to use bait and or hounds in my opinion allows hunters to be more selctive in which animals they harvest. When I and my hounds have treed a bear in the past, it was easy to tell its size, sometimes its sex, and certainly if there were any cubs around. To a lesser extent by a little bit this is also true of baiting bears. The do gooders who outlaw such things do not take into account that thier actions often cause the demise of smaller bears, female bears etc. simplly due to an excited hunters inability to make a quick distinction on the fly. So far, I have only killed mature male bears, and I hope sincerely to keep this trend going. Good chance of that as this bear may be my last one ever.
Maaan, there are some �ber self-righteous types on this thread.
Some days being alive and having the will to go on is a huge accomplishment and my hat is off to those who do. I can't wait to hear from the critics when their bodies and lives are falling apart. I am sure they will still be packing elk out ten miles, all up hill and will have killed them with a slingshot.
I agree with Ranger, this is about something else. Just sayin.
Sorry. But if I worked with somebody that came to work with these pictures and this story, they would never hear the end of it. Ever.
I would make fun of the story for eternity. You don't need to have animosity toward an individual to see the insane amounts of hypocrisy involved in the telling of this hunt.
Just think of all the possibilities in a workplace:
"The Great Whiter Hunter"
"Uber-mag"
"The Wicked Winch of the West"
"I shot him, but I can't get up".
"Magnum-Man. Guaranteed to [bleep] his buddies. HARD"
I could get so much mileage out of this story. Virtual or otherwise...
Personally, if the OP had just posted the thread he did here and left it at that, I wouldn't have commented. When he posted what he did on the Hunting Rifles forum and congratulated himself for using his "Uber-fast 33" he took the whole story from "one man's hunting story" into an entirely different area (discussion of the merits of various chamberings for tough shots on big game) which was his own doing.
A few of the negative comments have come from people who thought John Burns was the cats meow...talk about hipocracy...
Yeah but George and Kramer really crack me up.......
See what I mean? Nobody cares his forehead is the size of a Volkswagen and his skin looks like something KFC would sell. I don't understand why everybody has to comment on it?
Personally, if the OP had just posted the thread he did here and left it at that, I wouldn't have commented. When he posted what he did on the Hunting Rifles forum and congratulated himself for using his "Uber-fast 33" he took the whole story from "one man's hunting story" into an entirely different area (discussion of the merits of various chamberings for tough shots on big game) which was his own doing.
A few of the negative comments have come from people who thought John Burns was the cats meow...talk about hipocracy...
Nah...Burns is an azzhat of even greater prominence than Safariman.
Personally, if the OP had just posted the thread he did here and left it at that, I wouldn't have commented. When he posted what he did on the Hunting Rifles forum and congratulated himself for using his "Uber-fast 33" he took the whole story from "one man's hunting story" into an entirely different area (discussion of the merits of various chamberings for tough shots on big game) which was his own doing.
A few of the negative comments have come from people who thought John Burns was the cats meow...talk about hipocracy...
Nah...Burns is an azzhat of even greater prominence than Safariman.
That is a matter of opinion but at least he's trained himself to eyeball his turret before he breaks a round, unlike your dumbazz.
Yeah but George and Kramer really crack me up.......
See what I mean? Nobody cares his forehead is the size of a Volkswagen and his skin looks like something KFC would sell. I don't understand why everybody has to comment on it?
Travis
Your forehead is a foot tall now, and goes all the way back to your cervical area. You've also got a good start on a whiskey nose, at only 36. Keep it up chump.
Your forehead is a foot tall now, and goes all the way back to your cervical area. You've also got a good start on a whiskey nose, at only 36. Keep it up chump.
Yeah but George and Kramer really crack me up.......
See what I mean? Nobody cares his forehead is the size of a Volkswagen and his skin looks like something KFC would sell. I don't understand why everybody has to comment on it?
Travis
Your forehead is a foot tall now, and goes all the way back to your cervical area. You've also got a good start on a whiskey nose, at only 36. Keep it up chump.
Maaan, there are some �ber self-righteous types on this thread.
Some days being alive and having the will to go on is a huge accomplishment and my hat is off to those who do. I can't wait to hear from the critics when their bodies and lives are falling apart. I am sure they will still be packing elk out ten miles, all up hill and will have killed them with a slingshot.
I agree with Ranger, this is about something else. Just sayin.
Sorry. But if I worked with somebody that came to work with these pictures and this story, they would never hear the end of it. Ever.
I would make fun of the story for eternity. You don't need to have animosity toward an individual to see the insane amounts of hypocrisy involved in the telling of this hunt.
Just think of all the possibilities in a workplace:
"The Great Whiter Hunter"
"Uber-mag"
"The Wicked Winch of the West"
"I shot him, but I can't get up".
"Magnum-Man. Guaranteed to [bleep] his buddies. HARD"
I could get so much mileage out of this story. Virtual or otherwise...
Maaan, there are some �ber self-righteous types on this thread.
Some days being alive and having the will to go on is a huge accomplishment and my hat is off to those who do. I can't wait to hear from the critics when their bodies and lives are falling apart. I am sure they will still be packing elk out ten miles, all up hill and will have killed them with a slingshot.
I agree with Ranger, this is about something else. Just sayin.
Sorry. But if I worked with somebody that came to work with these pictures and this story, they would never hear the end of it. Ever.
I would make fun of the story for eternity. You don't need to have animosity toward an individual to see the insane amounts of hypocrisy involved in the telling of this hunt.
Just think of all the possibilities in a workplace:
"The Great Whiter Hunter"
"Uber-mag"
"The Wicked Winch of the West"
"I shot him, but I can't get up".
"Magnum-Man. Guaranteed to [bleep] his buddies. HARD"
I could get so much mileage out of this story. Virtual or otherwise...
Travis
A man needs to see an opportunity and have the nads to say, "Yes, I will take that."
I'd like to meet the man that can drag 2 miles of 5/8" cable. Or even 500' of it through the terrain pictured.
While we're at it, I want to see a pickup that can tote around nearly 34,000 lbs in the bed. I suppose such a man and such a truck are made for one another.
I'd like to meet the man that can drag 2 miles of 5/8" cable. Or even 500' of it through the terrain pictured.
While we're at it, I want to see a pickup that can tote around nearly 34,000 lbs in the bed. I suppose such a man and such a truck are made for one another.
I'd also point out to the OP that a Bear that bigs' ass is approx. 2' from the vitals so you might think about going back and editing that "near miss" part.
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
by me.
Well written.
He didn't kill anything. He just wounded an animal and then had to call a guide to come in and clean up his mess.
Let's don't forget the part where he offers to give meat to anybody that wants it, except the one friend that was recently in his house but got none offered.
I'd also point out to the OP that a Bear that bigs' ass is approx. 2' from the vitals so you might think about going back and editing that "near miss" part. [/quote]
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
by me.
Well written.
He didn't kill anything. He just wounded an animal and then had to call a guide to come in and clean up his mess.
Let's don't forget the part where he offers to give meat to anybody that wants it, except the one friend that was recently in his house but got none offered.
That friend and I are still good friends, I forgot about the bear meat while he was here, but also he was headed back for Japan in a day or so from when he was here. Bad idea to take raw meat in a suitcase when 1) Flying 'as a seat is available/on call then add in likely normal delays etc. can cause the trip to be very long in duration.
I am sure he will get some, and some feral pork, Venison etc. when he gets back stateside later this year.
I didn't think of the bear meat giveaway idea until I started this thread.
Sure he would. He's the self-appointed UBER authority on all things firearms, except how to bed and shoot a light rifle.
If you say so, 'cause I sure af pphuck never claimed any gunsmithing skills, here or anywhere else. Fact remains I'm the only poster here who's name is on the wall at Range 37, SOTIC Class 4-87. Call 'em and you can "out" me. Get some mofo.
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
by me.
Well written.
He didn't kill anything. He just wounded an animal and then had to call a guide to come in and clean up his mess.
Let's don't forget the part where he offers to give meat to anybody that wants it, except the one friend that was recently in his house but got none offered.
That was written as a joke. I would not have been able to take any at that time anyway. You guys really need to get over yourselves as the junior high girl drama is really getting old.
Wow thanks for asking because it was a pretty good day today. Hope the OP won't mind a small hijack. Starting off I got a small batch of uppers and lowers back from the Anodizer. Wanted to try a some Sand Matte Type III. Looked pretty good but might tweak it some in the future. Love that Wyoming Arms Logo. Most everthing we do is is Type III Black but the Matte Sand is cool and in demand.
Got the 300 Blackout barrels on the mill for fluting and things looked good. As you most likely know our 5.56 WYO barrels pretty much set the standard for "uber" accuracy/ "uber" reliabilty and I am anxious to keep the trend going forward.
Unfluted
Magic
Now it is fluted and the gas port is in.
As normal the coated BCGs continue to amaze and the light bodies are really quite the step above.
Got the coating on the barrel extension dialed in and boy does it work nice.
Ever get the feeling you are 2 steps behind the big boys??
Shoot I almost forgot, but Surefire's Maggie Reese won High Lady at the Superstition Mt Mystery 3 gun with our barrel and Mike Voight placed in the top 5 overall with the WYO LOK barrel at the same event last weekend. Cheers
Sure he would. He's the self-appointed UBER authority on all things firearms, except how to bed and shoot a light rifle.
If you say so, 'cause I sure af pphuck never claimed any gunsmithing skills, here or anywhere else. Fact remains I'm the only poster here who's name is on the wall at Range 37, SOTIC Class 4-87. Call 'em and you can "out" me. Get some mofo.
Ok. If you say so. But something you did 27 years ago doesn't qualify you to be a blowhard on all things here. I'll let you "out" yourself if you're so inclined.
NO PROBLEM with a brief sidetrack to show us some nice AR type firearms! I did not even know that you were in the AR business! The AR-15 / Stoner platform is sure becoming popular. Calif. is going to find out soon that they are THE common firearm people arm themselves with for self and Country protection and will be forced by the courts to scale back their ban.
Do you make a pure varmint shooting / Benchrest format AR with a 24 inch (or thereabouts) full bull barrel and a good trigger? I am wanting to aquire such a rifle in the near future but I don't much care for short barrels or two stage triggers for my gophergun AR's.
Sure he would. He's the self-appointed UBER authority on all things firearms, except how to bed and shoot a light rifle.
If you say so, 'cause I sure af pphuck never claimed any gunsmithing skills, here or anywhere else. Fact remains I'm the only poster here who's name is on the wall at Range 37, SOTIC Class 4-87. Call 'em and you can "out" me. Get some mofo.
Ok. If you say so. But something you did 27 years ago doesn't qualify you to be a blowhard on all things here. I'll let you "out" yourself if you're so inclined.
I have not seen a SINGLE post my Take A Knee that looked or sounded like him being a blowhard or self appointed expert.
Starting off I got a small batch of uppers and lowers back from the Anodizer.
Ever get the feeling you are 2 steps behind the big boys??
Dude did you really just make references in your post claiming those are YOUR lowers and YOU own Wyoming Arms LLC? Your clearly a part of the place but owner........
All legal records of that LLC appear to belong to another individual. Business license, FFL, Trademarks the whole works appears to be registered to Jeff Leisy as his name is the ONLY one registered as owner.
Have heard good things about the wares from friends involved with high end suppliers here but all of them mention only Leisy.
Also not sure how you can call Wyo Arms one of the big boys after 18 months of businesses. Lots of manufacturers have a shcitt ton more wins and do so routinely.
No attack, just trying to clarify my interpretation of your post
Sure he would. He's the self-appointed UBER authority on all things firearms, except how to bed and shoot a light rifle.
If you say so, 'cause I sure af pphuck never claimed any gunsmithing skills, here or anywhere else. Fact remains I'm the only poster here who's name is on the wall at Range 37, SOTIC Class 4-87. Call 'em and you can "out" me. Get some mofo.
Ok. If you say so. But something you did 27 years ago doesn't qualify you to be a blowhard on all things here. I'll let you "out" yourself if you're so inclined.
I have not seen a SINGLE post my Take A Knee that looked or sounded like him being a blowhard or self appointed expert.
Starting off I got a small batch of uppers and lowers back from the Anodizer.
Ever get the feeling you are 2 steps behind the big boys??
Dude did you really just make references in your post claiming those are YOUR lowers and YOU own Wyoming Arms LLC? Your clearly a part of the place but owner........
All legal records of that LLC appear to belong to another individual. Business license, FFL, Trademarks the whole works appears to be registered to Jeff Leisy as his name is the ONLY one registered as owner.
Have heard good things about the wares from friends involved with high end suppliers here but all of them mention only Leisy.
Also not sure how you can call Wyo Arms one of the big boys after 18 months of businesses. Lots of manufacturers have a shcitt ton more wins and do so routinely.
No attack, just trying to clarify my interpretation of your post
I do not believe that he did, the post was interesting and would have been more so but for his usual self-aggrandisement and total lack of people skills.
Starting off I got a small batch of uppers and lowers back from the Anodizer.
Ever get the feeling you are 2 steps behind the big boys??
Dude did you really just make references in your post claiming those are YOUR lowers and YOU own Wyoming Arms LLC? Your clearly a part of the place but owner........ All legal records of that LLC appear to belong to another individual. Business license, FFL, Trademarks the whole works appears to be registered to Jeff Leisy as his name is the ONLY one registered as owner.
Jeff Leisy, Tom Buckner and I are partners in Wyoming Arms LLC. Jeff is the registered agent here in Wyoming. After all it is an LLC.
Originally Posted by MallardAddict
Have heard good things about the wares from friends involved with high end suppliers here but all of them mention only Leisy.
Of course you have heard "good things" from "high places". Congradulations??? Jeff is very integral to vendor relations. He is not just some dipshcit playin games. I pick my partners more carefully these days.
Wyoming Govenor Matt Mead also heard "good things" and wanted to check it out Wyoming Arms personally at the Governor's Mansion.
Jeff and I passed muster and the Govenor Ordered a carbine.
Originally Posted by MallardAddict
Also not sure how you can call Wyo Arms one of the big boys after 18 months of businesses. Lots of manufacturers have a shcitt ton more wins and do so routinely.No attack, just trying to clarify my interpretation of your post
Well after Maggie Reese taking High Lady and Mike Voight finishing top 5 at the first major 3 gun of 2014 (Superstition MT Mystery 3 Gun) I reckon things are going pretty good.
Simply put we "Wyoming Arms" make the most accurate and reliable AR in existence.
Of Course getting recognized by the Senate and the House here in Wyoming is pretty cool. Jeff and me looking a little embarrassed as they clapped.
Sure he would. He's the self-appointed UBER authority on all things firearms, except how to bed and shoot a light rifle.
If you say so, 'cause I sure af pphuck never claimed any gunsmithing skills, here or anywhere else. Fact remains I'm the only poster here who's name is on the wall at Range 37, SOTIC Class 4-87. Call 'em and you can "out" me. Get some mofo.
Ok. If you say so. But something you did 27 years ago doesn't qualify you to be a blowhard on all things here. I'll let you "out" yourself if you're so inclined.
I have not seen a SINGLE post my Take A Knee that looked or sounded like him being a blowhard or self appointed expert.
I'd also point out to the OP that a Bear that bigs' ass is approx. 2' from the vitals so you might think about going back and editing that "near miss" part.
Not on a quartering away shot, it isn't. [/quote]
Quartering away doesn't break both hips and the rearmost vertebrae.
Wow thanks for asking because it was a pretty good day today. Hope the OP won't mind a small hijack. Starting off I got a small batch of uppers and lowers back from the Anodizer. Wanted to try a some Sand Matte Type III. Looked pretty good but might tweak it some in the future. Love that Wyoming Arms Logo. Most everthing we do is is Type III Black but the Matte Sand is cool and in demand.
Got the 300 Blackout barrels on the mill for fluting and things looked good. As you most likely know our 5.56 WYO barrels pretty much set the standard for "uber" accuracy/ "uber" reliabilty and I am anxious to keep the trend going forward.
Unfluted
Magic
Now it is fluted and the gas port is in.
As normal the coated BCGs continue to amaze and the light bodies are really quite the step above.
Got the coating on the barrel extension dialed in and boy does it work nice.
Ever get the feeling you are 2 steps behind the big boys??
Shoot I almost forgot, but Surefire's Maggie Reese won High Lady at the Superstition Mt Mystery 3 gun with our barrel and Mike Voight placed in the top 5 overall with the WYO LOK barrel at the same event last weekend. Cheers
Hmmm.....Not thinking that went the way HC expected.
Wow thanks for asking because it was a pretty good day today. Hope the OP won't mind a small hijack. Starting off I got a small batch of uppers and lowers back from the Anodizer. Wanted to try a some Sand Matte Type III. Looked pretty good but might tweak it some in the future. Love that Wyoming Arms Logo. Most everthing we do is is Type III Black but the Matte Sand is cool and in demand.
Got the 300 Blackout barrels on the mill for fluting and things looked good. As you most likely know our 5.56 WYO barrels pretty much set the standard for "uber" accuracy/ "uber" reliabilty and I am anxious to keep the trend going forward.
Unfluted
Magic
Now it is fluted and the gas port is in.
As normal the coated BCGs continue to amaze and the light bodies are really quite the step above.
Got the coating on the barrel extension dialed in and boy does it work nice.
Ever get the feeling you are 2 steps behind the big boys??
Shoot I almost forgot, but Surefire's Maggie Reese won High Lady at the Superstition Mt Mystery 3 gun with our barrel and Mike Voight placed in the top 5 overall with the WYO LOK barrel at the same event last weekend. Cheers
Hmmm.....Not thinking that went the way HC expected.
Nice rifles!
Dittos on the nice rifles John. Hope your business venture is a successful one!
Wow thanks for asking because it was a pretty good day today. Hope the OP won't mind a small hijack. Starting off I got a small batch of uppers and lowers back from the Anodizer. Wanted to try a some Sand Matte Type III. Looked pretty good but might tweak it some in the future. Love that Wyoming Arms Logo. Most everthing we do is is Type III Black but the Matte Sand is cool and in demand.
Got the 300 Blackout barrels on the mill for fluting and things looked good. As you most likely know our 5.56 WYO barrels pretty much set the standard for "uber" accuracy/ "uber" reliabilty and I am anxious to keep the trend going forward.
Unfluted
Magic
Now it is fluted and the gas port is in.
As normal the coated BCGs continue to amaze and the light bodies are really quite the step above.
Got the coating on the barrel extension dialed in and boy does it work nice.
Ever get the feeling you are 2 steps behind the big boys??
Shoot I almost forgot, but Surefire's Maggie Reese won High Lady at the Superstition Mt Mystery 3 gun with our barrel and Mike Voight placed in the top 5 overall with the WYO LOK barrel at the same event last weekend. Cheers
I just love when dis-disgruntled posters try to slam Burns,,,,
It hasn't happened yet, But I'll give an A for effort.
It appears that the attitude of some feel that only the perfectly physically and those that never miss the vitals are the only ones that should be allowed to hunt. Freedom and liberty be damed.
No one has said anything like that. It's been more along the lines of "stuff happens, everyone know it, but when it does don't brag about it and act the hero."
It appears that the attitude of some feel that only the perfectly physically and those that never miss the vitals are the only ones that should be allowed to hunt. Freedom and liberty be damed.
I don't think that's the point at all. I think the point most are trying to make is that the braggadocio involved in the posts is rather ridiculous especially in light of the actual events of the hunt in question.
It appears that the attitude of some feel that only the perfectly physically and those that never miss the vitals are the only ones that should be allowed to hunt. Freedom and liberty be damed.
I don't think that's the point at all. I think the point most are trying to make is that the braggadocio involved in the posts is rather ridiculous especially in light of the actual events of the hunt in question.
Safariman does tend to write link an advertisement, does that deserve this type of a use?
It appears that the attitude of some feel that only the perfectly physically and those that never miss the vitals are the only ones that should be allowed to hunt. Freedom and liberty be damed.
I don't think that's the point at all. I think the point most are trying to make is that the braggadocio involved in the posts is rather ridiculous especially in light of the actual events of the hunt in question.
Safariman does tend to write link an advertisement, does that deserve this type of a use?
When he goes off about how only an "ubermagnum" would be capable of the feat, or how a 3/4 pickup had what would total about 17k tons of cable in the bed, or how the entire event was the equivalent of a hunt never to be equaled in the ages, then he brings it on himself. Add in the "problematic" shot placement that would negate the touted "quartering away", the reliance on others to actually kill the bear and then do the work, and then the multiplicitous posting of the same event in multiple forums - each attempting to one up the last and all building upon the flaws of the others, the self-induced misery compounds.
It would also appear that he has developed somewhat of a reputation. That never helps, but I can't speak to that (as I wasn't privy to the events or the incidents).
It appears that the attitude of some feel that only the perfectly physically and those that never miss the vitals are the only ones that should be allowed to hunt. Freedom and liberty be damed.
I don't think that's the point at all. I think the point most are trying to make is that the braggadocio involved in the posts is rather ridiculous especially in light of the actual events of the hunt in question.
Safariman does tend to write link an advertisement, does that deserve this type of a use?
When he goes off about how only an "ubermagnum" would be capable of the feat, or how a 3/4 pickup had what would total about 17k tons of cable in the bed, or how the entire event was the equivalent of a hunt never to be equaled in the ages, then he brings it on himself. Add in the "problematic" shot placement that would negate the touted "quartering away", the reliance on others to actually kill the bear and then do the work, and then the multiplicitous posting of the same event in multiple forums - each attempting to one up the last and all building upon the flaws of the others, the self-induced misery compounds.
It would also appear that he has developed somewhat of a reputation. That never helps, but I can't speak to that (as I wasn't privy to the events or the incidents).
I do not agree with his take on armament, but you guys seem to forget that he is younger than JJ, but in such poor health that he needed the help to recover the animal and he sought the help needed. He also told the exactly as it happened and sugar coated none of it. You guys are way to self righteous.
It appears that the attitude of some feel that only the perfectly physically and those that never miss the vitals are the only ones that should be allowed to hunt. Freedom and liberty be damed.
I don't think that's the point at all. I think the point most are trying to make is that the braggadocio involved in the posts is rather ridiculous especially in light of the actual events of the hunt in question.
Safariman does tend to write link an advertisement, does that deserve this type of a use?
When he goes off about how only an "ubermagnum" would be capable of the feat, or how a 3/4 pickup had what would total about 17k tons of cable in the bed, or how the entire event was the equivalent of a hunt never to be equaled in the ages, then he brings it on himself. Add in the "problematic" shot placement that would negate the touted "quartering away", the reliance on others to actually kill the bear and then do the work, and then the multiplicitous posting of the same event in multiple forums - each attempting to one up the last and all building upon the flaws of the others, the self-induced misery compounds.
It would also appear that he has developed somewhat of a reputation. That never helps, but I can't speak to that (as I wasn't privy to the events or the incidents).
5/8" cable weighs .72 pounds per foot therefore total weight of the cable is no where near 17 tons.
I do not agree with his take on armament, but you guys seem to forget that he is younger than JJ, but in such poor health that he needed the help to recover the animal and he sought the help needed. He also told the exactly as it happened and sugar coated none of it. You guys are way to self righteous.
Some may be self-righteous, but I'm certainly not intending to be so at all.
The bold part is the part that I, and perhaps others, disagree with. The telling exactly as is happens doesn't align with the obvious difference between claimed shot angle and actual shot impact/result. Telling it exactly as it happened doesn't get into the blowhard diatribe about how only an "ubermagnum" could have killed that bear or been used to make that shot, when in fact the bear was killed the next day with a .44 magnum handgun and the shot taken could have been made with a myriad of weapons. Telling it exactly as it happened doesn't involve the obvious and ridiculous claim as to the capabilities of the truck used to drag the carcass out of the gulley.
Safariman does have medical and physical difficulties that limit his activities. That has little to do with the above, and at least to me nothing to do with my take on his story.
Hey, I'm glad he got out bear hunting and glad he got a bear. I'm also glad that he has friends willing to pitch in and help him out. All of that is great. How he regales it and how he presents that information, himself, and the actual hunt, though, leaves quite a bit to be desired.
5/8" cable weighs .72 pounds per foot therefore total weight of the cable is no where near 17 tons.
That depends upon the cable involved, but even going with your numbers, at 2 miles of cable the cable alone would weigh over 7500 lbs, not counting the winch system, motor, etc. Add all of that in, and you're easily pushing 4 tons.
It would appear that you have a problem with my exaggeration, but not any his.
I do not agree with his take on armament, but you guys seem to forget that he is younger than JJ, but in such poor health that he needed the help to recover the animal and he sought the help needed. He also told the exactly as it happened and sugar coated none of it. You guys are way to self righteous.
Some may be self-righteous, but I'm certainly not intending to be so at all.
The bold part is the part that I, and perhaps others, disagree with. The telling exactly as is happens doesn't align with the obvious difference between claimed shot angle and actual shot impact/result. Telling it exactly as it happened doesn't get into the blowhard diatribe about how only an "ubermagnum" could have killed that bear or been used to make that shot, when in fact the bear was killed the next day with a .44 magnum handgun and the shot taken could have been made with a myriad of weapons. Telling it exactly as it happened doesn't involve the obvious and ridiculous claim as to the capabilities of the truck used to drag the carcass out of the gulley.
Safariman does have medical and physical difficulties that limit his activities. That has little to do with the above, and at least to me nothing to do with my take on his story.
Hey, I'm glad he got out bear hunting and glad he got a bear. I'm also glad that he has friends willing to pitch in and help him out. All of that is great. How he regales it and how he presents that information, himself, and the actual hunt, though, leaves quite a bit to be desired.
Obviously, YMMV.
Like I posted he does write like it is an advertisement. You weren't even close with the weight of the cable, so should we go after you? How do you know that the claims of the winch truth are/were ridiculous? Do you know the owner of the winch truck, have you seen it personally?
5/8" cable weighs .72 pounds per foot therefore total weight of the cable is no where near 17 tons.
That depends upon the cable involved, but even going with your numbers, at 2 miles of cable the cable alone would weigh over 7500 lbs, not counting the winch system, motor, etc. Add all of that in, and you're easily pushing 4 tons.
It would appear that you have a problem with my exaggeration, but not any his.
Yes it does depend on the cable and 5/8 cable was the claim and 17 tons of weight claimed by you and others isn't even close to being correct. So is seems that claim is very ridiculous. There are bigger trucks that have been fitted with pickup bodies and I could not tell if this was the case or not from the picture. You guys are are way too zealous in your attacks. If JJ does not feel a need to be critical then neither should the rest of you IMHO. Unless of course you never ever make a mistake and if that is the case then by all means carry on.
I do not agree with his take on armament, but you guys seem to forget that he is younger than JJ, but in such poor health that he needed the help to recover the animal and he sought the help needed. He also told the exactly as it happened and sugar coated none of it. You guys are way to self righteous.
Some may be self-righteous, but I'm certainly not intending to be so at all.
The bold part is the part that I, and perhaps others, disagree with. The telling exactly as is happens doesn't align with the obvious difference between claimed shot angle and actual shot impact/result. Telling it exactly as it happened doesn't get into the blowhard diatribe about how only an "ubermagnum" could have killed that bear or been used to make that shot, when in fact the bear was killed the next day with a .44 magnum handgun and the shot taken could have been made with a myriad of weapons. Telling it exactly as it happened doesn't involve the obvious and ridiculous claim as to the capabilities of the truck used to drag the carcass out of the gulley.
Safariman does have medical and physical difficulties that limit his activities. That has little to do with the above, and at least to me nothing to do with my take on his story.
Hey, I'm glad he got out bear hunting and glad he got a bear. I'm also glad that he has friends willing to pitch in and help him out. All of that is great. How he regales it and how he presents that information, himself, and the actual hunt, though, leaves quite a bit to be desired.
Obviously, YMMV.
Like I posted he does write like it is an advertisement. You weren't even close with the weight of the cable, so should we go after you? How do you know that the claims of the winch truth are/were ridiculous? Do you know the owner of the winch truck, have you seen it personally?
Have you? Advertisements are, by and large, falsehoods. I don't find them to be a worthwhile endeavor either.
As stated, and corrected, I was off on the weight of the cable. That still doesn't negate his obvious exaggerations as to the cable, the truck, or many other things. You have a problem with one exaggeration I made, and corrected, but not with any of his; that says a lot.
It also says quite a lot when you're going at me on this, when I've not insulted him, used any profanity toward him or his hunt, stated that the bear is his and he's lucky to have friends to help, etc., and yet take no direction toward others who have done the opposite.
I pointed out where I differ on the "facts" as safariman presented them and on his position of what would or would not have been sufficient for that hunt. I didn't realize that I had to clear any objections to his posts with you prior to offering them up, though. I must have missed that rule in the FAQs.
I did not single you out individually my post are aimed at all who continue to bash relentlessly. I did not post until today, I got tired of reading the constant insults and innuendos. I think that safari man is full of it if thinks that a 260 would not have produced the same results with the same shot placement based on my own experience. Everyone has an opinion although some are more valid than others. I would not have told the story as he did, but that is just me. I am not going to thrash his hunt and story because it is not the way I would have seen it. That is the difference, I am sure that I will not change you or anyone else for that matter.
I did not single you out individually my post are aimed at all who continue to bash relentlessly. I did not post until today, I got tired of reading the constant insults and innuendos. I think that safari man is full of it if thinks that a 260 would not have produced the same results with the same shot placement based on my own experience. Everyone has an opinion although some are more valid than others. I would not have told the story as he did, but that is just me. I am not going to thrash his hunt and story because it is not the way I would have seen it. That is the difference, I am sure that I will not change you or anyone else for that matter.
Curious as to why my posts were the ones quoted then.
It seems we agree that he was full of it on whether the results could have been had with something other than an "ubermagnum", and we agree on whether the story should have been told as it was.
I'm neither bashing his hunt, nor his story. I'm simply disagreeing with some of his premises and statements that are obviously false. He got the bear; great.
Oh, and no, your posts nor mine will change anyone here at all.
Yep. Looks like he's more upset with your cable weight guess than his hobby being trashed as presented....on a public form. Go figure.
Of course this thread would not be on page one if it were not for those that love to bash and keep it in the fore front. As if that dose no damage. Can you say self righteous?
I did not single you out individually my post are aimed at all who continue to bash relentlessly. I did not post until today, I got tired of reading the constant insults and innuendos. I think that safari man is full of it if thinks that a 260 would not have produced the same results with the same shot placement based on my own experience. Everyone has an opinion although some are more valid than others. I would not have told the story as he did, but that is just me. I am not going to thrash his hunt and story because it is not the way I would have seen it. That is the difference, I am sure that I will not change you or anyone else for that matter.
Curious as to why my posts were the ones quoted then.
It seems we agree that he was full of it on whether the results could have been had with something other than an "ubermagnum", and we agree on whether the story should have been told as it was.
I'm neither bashing his hunt, nor his story. I'm simply disagreeing with some of his premises and statements that are obviously false. He got the bear; great.
Oh, and no, your posts nor mine will change anyone here at all.
You were simply the last post that I saw that represented the theme. The thread needs to die.
You were simply the last post that I saw that represented the theme. The thread needs to die.
Odd to the first part, and as to the second - safariman himself posted at least two others on this, has continually bumped them up, and now there is a fourth dealing with the same topic.
The "bashing" is deserved. For most it would lead to a re-assessment of their presentation and/ or ideals.
Mark has had problems in more than one area on the forum. He has chose to never back down and admit little error, or blame it on drugs, sickness or being tired "if" he did something wrong. He only does that after he's called out. In fact, he plainly states often that he is right and isn't going to change.
Sure he would. He's the self-appointed UBER authority on all things firearms, except how to bed and shoot a light rifle.
If you say so, 'cause I sure af pphuck never claimed any gunsmithing skills, here or anywhere else. Fact remains I'm the only poster here who's name is on the wall at Range 37, SOTIC Class 4-87. Call 'em and you can "out" me. Get some mofo.
Ok. If you say so. But something you did 27 years ago doesn't qualify you to be a blowhard on all things here. I'll let you "out" yourself if you're so inclined.
I have not seen a SINGLE post my Take A Knee that looked or sounded like him being a blowhard or self appointed expert.
You are profoundly obtuse and reading comprehension isn't you're long suit. You also are a disaster at logic, ethics, and dressing yourself.
In the past few months alone you've recommended mauser actions for ultra light builds, recommended a 300 WSM for a 13 year-old boy's first rifle, and been called out for fraud in the classifieds. Obtuse is the most charitable word available for your behavior.
Now you wound a black bear and need an outfitter to find it, put it out of its misery, and pack it out for you. Instead of being humble, you brag about it in three forums. That bragging includes a post that says a lighter cartridge would've only wounded the bear, which, ironically, is all you actually managed with a cartridge named after a dinosaur, but that irony sails right over your head. Obtuse is far too charitable here.
You should be ashamed - not for flubbing a shot nor asking for help - but for your actions after the hunt. You're a stain on a fine sport. Here's hoping you quit hunting today.
Yep. Looks like he's more upset with your cable weight guess than his hobby being trashed as presented....on a public form. Go figure.
Of course this thread would not be on page one if it were not for those that love to bash and keep it in the fore front. As if that dose no damage. Can you say self righteous?
This thread would never had made a second page if Mr. Self Aggrandizing hadn't made the post in the hunting rifles forum - then another forum to make sure no one missed how splendidly awesome he and his dinosaur are. Per always, he can't sidestep his ego or his pee pee. This may be about his bear hunting story but in reality it ain't about the bear hunting story at all.
If you hunt long enough you will cripple a animal sooner or later. I'm just glad he found it the next morning . Tramping around in the bush in the dark after a wounded Bear isn't going to get you the Albert Eisenstein award. He did the smart thing get help and wait to morning and day light.
Correction. If you're a szhitty shot and/or take szhitty shots you will wound animals no matter what �ber fossil fuel you're using.
Love the 'hunters' who use this lame line over and over again. If you have to limit yourself to 50 yd standing broadside shots to ensure an ethical kill, so be it. And the longer you hunt the more this should be true.
Amazing how many game 'shooters' abound on a supposed 'hunting' site. Sadly, the anti's caricatures of the shooting/hunting community are too often proved by the very people who cry foul.
I don't always get DRT's but I don't wound animals. Why? Because I NEVER take a shot I'm not 100% sure of. Period. Even if it means tag soup (and it has many a time). Some may shout 'self righteous' to which I'd reply...I'm a hell of a lot more righteous than they,apparently.
Tramping around in the bush in the dark after a wounded Bear isn't going to get you the Albert Eisenstein award. He did the smart thing get help and wait to morning and day light.
Red herring. He did look for it that night, and got a friend to, also.
Tramping around in the bush in the dark after a wounded Bear isn't going to get you the Albert Eisenstein award. He did the smart thing get help and wait to morning and day light.
Red herring. He did look for it that night, and got a friend to, also.
Tramping around in the bush in the dark after a wounded Bear isn't going to get you the Albert Eisenstein award. He did the smart thing get help and wait to morning and day light.
Red herring. He did look for it that night, and got a friend to, also.
he just didn't find it.
or you could say it didn't find him
Wouldn't that then, negate the "well anchored" bit of the story?
Correction. If you're a szhitty shot and/or take szhitty shots you will wound animals no matter what �ber fossil fuel you're using.
Love the 'hunters' who use this lame line over and over again. If you have to limit yourself to 50 yd standing broadside shots to ensure an ethical kill, so be it. And the longer you hunt the more this should be true.
Amazing how many game 'shooters' abound on a supposed 'hunting' site. Sadly, the anti's caricatures of the shooting/hunting community are too often proved by the very people who cry foul.
I don't always get DRT's but I don't wound animals. Why? Because I NEVER take a shot I'm not 100% sure of. Period. Even if it means tag soup (and it has many a time). Some may shout 'self righteous' to which I'd reply...I'm a hell of a lot more righteous than they,apparently.
JJ did the right thing and I don't believe the fish cops would hammer him for doing so. Killing a wounded and potentially dangerous bear might be construed as defense of life.
love the bear retrieval rig.....80 some year old father in law keeps a roll of rope in his truck thats prolly atleast a half mile for pulling deer out of the deep coulees here......either he attaches a pulley to our truck if we are with him or a post if we are not, run the rope through the pulley, down to the deer and then drive down the road and up comes the deer....works best with three people but can be done with one.....
That is ANOTHER good way to do it! I have a small ATV winch in the back of my avalanche, but I have to get the dead creature close to the truck before it does me any good.
BTW, to any of the still capable folks here who might thinnk this is 'cheating' to winch out a bear, I have backpacked out a bunch of stuff, loved doing so, but physically just cannot make that happen any more. I am so very glad to have real freinds who make it possible for me to still hunt at all these days.
If you think that is cheating we generally drive up to the elk with an 4wd tractor and bring them in this way.
Correction. If you're a szhitty shot and/or take szhitty shots you will wound animals no matter what �ber fossil fuel you're using.
Love the 'hunters' who use this lame line over and over again. If you have to limit yourself to 50 yd standing broadside shots to ensure an ethical kill, so be it. And the longer you hunt the more this should be true.
Amazing how many game 'shooters' abound on a supposed 'hunting' site. Sadly, the anti's caricatures of the shooting/hunting community are too often proved by the very people who cry foul.
I don't always get DRT's but I don't wound animals. Why? Because I NEVER take a shot I'm not 100% sure of. Period. Even if it means tag soup (and it has many a time). Some may shout 'self righteous' to which I'd reply...I'm a hell of a lot more righteous than they,apparently.
What an idiot.
Well, hunting animals is a wee bit different from shooting targets in the 80's at 'school'. Congrats on your 'trophy plaque'...
Well, hunting animals is a wee bit different from shooting targets in the 80's at 'school'. Congrats on your 'trophy plaque'...
Thanks, you don't have a "trophy plaque" by any chance, do you? So, the best comeback you can come up with is to make a feeble attempt at denigrating graduates from Tier One US military sniper schools? I guess Nolan Ryan was a non-pitching POS as well, right?
I have tried hunting those SW Wa Rosey's, and only shot one. They are a tough hunt in some thick country in my limited experience. I would like to get another elk camp tradition going over there again with some guys like I had a few years ago. I always enjoyed those trips, elk or no elk.
Yep. Looks like he's more upset with your cable weight guess than his hobby being trashed as presented....on a public form. Go figure.
Of course this thread would not be on page one if it were not for those that love to bash and keep it in the fore front. As if that dose no damage. Can you say self righteous?
This thread would never had made a second page if Mr. Self Aggrandizing hadn't made the post in the hunting rifles forum. Per always, he can't sidestep his ego or his pee pee. This may be about his bear hunting story but in reality it ain't about the bear hunting story at all.
At 1:13 -- "Everybody lookin' at me, like I'm some kind of f*ck up for losin' a sorry-ass job..."
It astounds me at the number of people who get all butt-hurt and run and cry because I scolded them on the internet, yet the soup that makes up safariman -- freeloading, deadbeat deals, dirtbag broke-dick pathetic animal killing, and other white trashery -- gets swallowed like some kind of high-end chardonnay.
Keep bashing your allies and you will come to a point where you won't have any.
"Allies?" Safariman is only in it for safariman. That's not any "ally." If he's not running some non-stop personal beg-a-thon, he's committing some other dirtbaggery; i.e., making poor shots at animals he can't recover and then posting it on the internet like some kind of big "stud."
Keep bashing your allies and you will come to a point where you won't have any.
"Allies?" Safariman is only in it for safariman. That's not any "ally." If he's not running some non-stop personal beg-a-thon, he's committing some other dirtbaggery; i.e., making poor shots at animals he can't recover and then posting it on the internet like some kind of big "stud."
If you ever wondered how Australians lost so much to the gun control nuts...that was it.
BT, I would like to know where you EVER saw me askinig for anything of anybody here, ever. When I had a run of bad luck with appliances and cars all breaking down at the same time I posted a fire sale on guns, but another member started a "Lets help Safariman out" thread and as soon as I saw it I asked him to take it down. He did and that was the end of it. But somehow I get linked from time to time for some - as you put it- beg a thon or asking for money. I have stated some difficult circumstance as to why I was selling various firearms and my Rokon ORV a couple of times, but I was trying to handle my stuff by selling my stuff in an honorable way.
As far as Allies, I have FAR more friends here than enemies, and loads of frequent trading partners here. I don't wish to have ANY enemies. They who seem to revel in bashing my posts or threads are not my enemies here by my choosing or anything I have done to any one of them. If I know what any of them wanted of me in order to be at peace, I would take any reasonable step(s) required.
I do try to be an ally and a friend however I can and as much as I can to everyone. Supporter (when fincances allowed) of pretty much all of the hunter freindly conservation organizations plus the NRA. This has been my MO and a big part of my core values for as long as I have been here and long before that.
BT, I would like to know where you EVER saw me askinig for anything of anybody here, ever.
Every ad you've posted is always some kind of half-assed trade request or request for whatever. Hell, back before your alleged "difficulties," I can recall you not being able to afford a reloading manual. I think you weave whatever story suits your own purposes at any given moment.
Originally Posted by safariman
As far as Allies, I have FAR more friends here than enemies, and loads of frequent trading partners here.
Birds of a feather. Or rather, dirtbags of the same funk.
Keep bashing your allies and you will come to a point where you won't have any.
"Allies?" Safariman is only in it for safariman.
No he's not...I could tell you & everybody else here, what he did for me out of the kindness of his heart, but I doubt he'd want me to...that's the Mark I know...
Keep bashing your allies and you will come to a point where you won't have any.
"Allies?" Safariman is only in it for safariman.
No he's not...I could tell you & everybody else here, what he did for me out of the kindness of his heart, but I doubt he'd want me to...that's the Mark I know...
Dirtbags of a similar funk always stand up for one another.
Back when I was a mere toddler, my great grandfather, Noah Bristoe, could always be counted on to relate a bear tale.
We'd go see him down at his house in Lovelaceville.
He was usually at his station in a cane bottomed chair beside an old coal stove in the big room.
I'd crawl up in his lap,...say, "Noey,..tell me a bear tale".
One I recall went like this.
"There was this young couple who had a baby, They also had a big ole' yaller dog.
They were out workin' in the garden one day,..and they noticed a lot of movement through the wind-er of their house,..but they didn't pay it no mind. They just thought it was their big old yaller dog.
Then,..when it was time fer dinner, they went into the house, and a bar had et the baby".
My 4 year old brain composed the equivalent of "holy chit!" upon hearing this,..but it was the order of the day.
It you didn't watch your chit,..a bear would eat your family.
Noey wasn't PC enough to hide that reality from me.
You should look in the mirror. You can't even quote a post properly.
What are you, twelve with ADD? Try and stay on topic.
The best reply you've got? Probably a lot older than you.
The point of your posts on this thread on Safariman's bone-head antics is that pro-hunters and pro-gun owners need to stick together or all will be lost to the antis. Are you not also inferring that members should quit ripping on Safariman because he might defect to the anti's side? Mark may be a lot of despicable things but I very much doubt he would be that.
WTF does this have to do with the 2nd Amendment? It's no more a 2nd Amendment issue than it is a homosexuality issue, or a boxers vs. briefs issue.
I beg to differ.
Had he cone up on the bear in the thick at night, the difference of whether he was wearing boxers or briefs would directly relate to whether he would be able to salvage the pants he was wearing at the time
WTF does this have to do with the 2nd Amendment? It's no more a 2nd Amendment issue than it is a homosexuality issue, or a boxers vs. briefs issue.
I beg to differ.
Had he cone up on the bear in the thick at night, the difference of whether he was wearing boxers or briefs would directly relate to whether he would be able to salvage the pants he was wearing at the time
I hope Rick is makin lots on the advertising, cuz that's about the one redeeming factor here.
I am sure bricktop is, at least, makin him overjoyed that he let him back on.
Did anyone ever notice how cool it was when Ranger1 recovered his elk with a cable attached to a helicopter? I though it was amazing. But he never shared any meat with me. Just sayin.
Did he shoot it in the azz with an uber-magnum and then come on the board and claim it to be the best thing since re-treads (ha!) while dislocating his shoulder from patting himself on the back? Did his buddy finish off the elk with his six-gun? Did the helicopter sport a full two miles of cable? How many forums was it posted in?
It's funny, as I pretty much refuse to open a safariman thread as it's just too damn embarrassing. Just opened these not long ago, and looks like I was right.
I'd like to meet the man that can drag 2 miles of 5/8" cable. Or even 500' of it through the terrain pictured.
I am a retired electric lineman and from the pics there is NO WAY in HELL there is 2 miles of cable on that reel in the back of that truck.I call BS
I was quoting the owner of that rig, and while using his Winch I was sure not going to argue with him about the exact amount of wire or ask the man to measure it for me. All I know for sure is that it is a LOT of cable, and enough to easily reach down to the bottom of any canyon on his property. I also know that the cable is iin fact very heavy, and one would not want to pack it anywhere other than down. As to the truck the winch sits in, It is a highly modified full size truck with 1 ton axles and springs, plus other re inforcements to haul around that winch apparatus and it never, ever sees the highway. It is strictly a big game recovery tool for his family and the few invited guests who are allowed to hunt there.
The man who owns the ranch and the truck also owns a car parts store, is an accomplished welder and farm equipment repairman and this truck project was and is quite a source of pride for him.
I'd like to meet the man that can drag 2 miles of 5/8" cable. Or even 500' of it through the terrain pictured.
I am a retired electric lineman and from the pics there is NO WAY in HELL there is 2 miles of cable on that reel in the back of that truck.I call BS
There you guys go blowing holes in his story with actual experience and facts.
I DO have actual experience running miles of wire/cable.It was my JOB for 37 plus years.There is no way in hell there is 2 miles of cable on that reel.It was safarimans story not mine.I just stated the facts.
I'd like to meet the man that can drag 2 miles of 5/8" cable. Or even 500' of it through the terrain pictured.
I am a retired electric lineman and from the pics there is NO WAY in HELL there is 2 miles of cable on that reel in the back of that truck.I call BS
There you guys go blowing holes in his story with actual experience and facts.
I DO have actual experience running miles of wire/cable.It was my JOB for 37 plus years.There is no way in hell there is 2 miles of cable on that reel.It was safarimans story not mine.I just stated the facts.
Coobie, my dad is also a retired lineman with a mere 36 years under his belt (IBEW 1002). And you should know you just can't argue with a "guy" with tatted-up guns, an "uberfast" magnum, a "finisher" who completes kills for piss-poor shot animals, a certain penchant for freeloading, begging, and constantly rattling a tin cup. Safariman has all the answers and a fair number of fellow dirtbags who'll high-five him and wage his arguments.
And, you are probably right on. But, when a man is helping you with towing something out like he was, it certainly is no time to question his claims or other details of his prize build and toy. Regardless of the exact amount of cable, it is an ingenious and amazing as well as useful concotion and effort.
Sort of like "You don't look a gift horse in the mouth" At least not in front of the giver of said gift. IF he had told me it was a HUNDRED miles of cable, I would have smiled and complimented him on his fine machine, while enjoying the benefits of it in hauling my bear up and out of a nasty canyon.
And, you are probably right on. But, when a man is helping you with towing something out like he was, it certainly is no time to question his claims or other details of his prize build and toy. Regardless of the exact amount of cable, it is an ingenious and amazing as well as useful concotion and effort.
Sort of like "You don't look a gift horse in the mouth" At least not in front of the giver of said gift. IF he had told me it was a HUNDRED miles of cable, I would have smiled and complimented him on his fine machine, while enjoying the benefits of it in hauling my bear up and out of a nasty canyon.
Agreed. But, if all you were doing was quoting the owner, why put emphasis on the amount of cable the way you did without having actual, factual lnowledge of thhe amount of cable?
Maybe simply stating that the landowner had a very ingeneious way of retrieving large game animals via a truck bed mounted winch.
And, you are probably right on. But, when a man is helping you with towing something out like he was, it certainly is no time to question his claims or other details of his prize build and toy. Regardless of the exact amount of cable, it is an ingenious and amazing as well as useful concotion and effort.
Sort of like "You don't look a gift horse in the mouth" At least not in front of the giver of said gift. IF he had told me it was a HUNDRED miles of cable, I would have smiled and complimented him on his fine machine, while enjoying the benefits of it in hauling my bear up and out of a nasty canyon.
Agreed. But, if all you were doing was quoting the owner, why put emphasis on the amount of cable the way you did without having actual, factual lnowledge of thhe amount of cable?
Maybe simply stating that the landowner had a very ingeneious way of retrieving large game animals via a truck bed mounted winch.
Safariman is the Milli Vanilli of this board: he leeches onto someone with more talent and skill and takes credit.
BT, I don't know, and i'm only commenting on those two posst wherenit seemed to me there was an obvious back track
That was a great Bear. And it isn't up to anyone here to tell him he has no right to be proud of it Here, as in other states, by law the guy who finished it should have tagged it. However i have finished off deer that other guys in my club have hit and wounded, that we all started tracking. Ain't noone perfect. And anyone who has never wounded or lost an animal, has either not hunted much or is a flat out liar.
The above said I'm not a fan of leaving animals go after dark. I'm also not above putting more than one shot into an animal immediately after the first, if I have even the slightest thought of it being wounded. And i sure as hell wouldn't go into detail about the screw ups Even realizing humans being humans, to My tatse there was way to much braggadiccio in the O.P.
And it isn't up to anyone here to tell him he has no right to be proud of it
Actually it is. A chronically freeloading scumbag posted in a public forum about making a poor shot on a game animal, was not prepared to track and finish it, let the animal languish overnight, and then wants a high five and a slap on the back. No conscience, no shame, no sense. The trifecta of stupidity.
And it isn't up to anyone here to tell him he has no right to be proud of it
Actually it is. A chronically freeloading scumbag posted in a public forum about making a poor shot on a game animal, was not prepared to track and finish it, let the animal languish overnight, and then wants a high five and a slap on the back. No conscience, no shame, no sense. The trifecta of stupidity.
I said he had a right to be proud of the bear. It was recovered and didn't rot in the woods. However. I do agree that maybe certain details should have been left out. And one thread about the hunt is peobabky sufficient
I have made some bad shots on animals. I admit it. I would not brag about it like I did something good! However, following up a bad shot IS a good thing. Happens to everybody, sooner or later. The animal was recovered, and that is the important thing. The tatted up arms being referred to as "guns" is a stretch, though. If they are guns, they are bb guns...The crowd I lift with would be kinda sad about them.
And it isn't up to anyone here to tell him he has no right to be proud of it
Actually it is. A chronically freeloading scumbag posted in a public forum about making a poor shot on a game animal, was not prepared to track and finish it, let the animal languish overnight, and then wants a high five and a slap on the back. No conscience, no shame, no sense. The trifecta of stupidity.
I said he had a right to be proud of the bear. It was recovered and didn't rot in the woods. However. I do agree that maybe certain details should have been left out. And one thread about the hunt is peobabky sufficient
I've enumerated some of the major points here. Help me understand in what way Milli Vanilli should be "proud" of JJHACK's bear and his (lack of) ethics.
I think your spot on. Should be shameful of such bear, suffer all night and someone else had to finish what he started, embarrassed comes to mind if I was the hunter.
And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
I stated that in the above post. The bear was atleast recovered. Had the same story unfolded for me pride in the hunt would be the last thing I felt and i sure as hell wouldnt have shared the shared the details.
And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
That's a quote i don't agree with at all
I have never needed to kill an animal bad enough to outright take shots that I wasn't sure of. That doesn't mean Mr. murphy can't show up and lay waste to great plans.
I stated that in the above post. The bear was atleast recovered. Had the same story unfolded for me pride in the hunt would be the last thing I felt and i sure as hell wouldnt have shared the shared the details.
"The bear was atleast recovered" due to someone else's efforts.
Originally Posted by safariman
No secret that I cannot hunt and get around like I would like, want, or used to.
Originally Posted by safariman
JIm had to put a finisher in the bear with his 44 Magnum revolver as I had not taken into account the bears forward motion when I held on his back ribs for a kill shot.
And PA- LEEZE don't pipe up with that "I only take perfect shots" crap. Real hunting in the real woods, for really big and mature animals, does not allow that kind of selectivity.
yeah, "real" hunting in the "real" woods requires a winch. All you damn fools who use backpacks.
I'd like to meet the man that can drag 2 miles of 5/8" cable. Or even 500' of it through the terrain pictured.
I am a retired electric lineman and from the pics there is NO WAY in HELL there is 2 miles of cable on that reel in the back of that truck.I call BS
There you guys go blowing holes in his story with actual experience and facts.
I'm not actually experienced with 5/8 cable, but I know dragging 300 feet of 9/16 across a frozen stubble field is impossible for 1 Guy and a workout for two.
I'm getting fed up with the asshats with a) no skill b) no self control who assume everybody wounds game. [bleep] those incompetent losers. If you aren't 100% sure of a quick kill (that means NO DOUBT for those with piss poor math skills), then the animal gets a pass.
Course the OP made it clear in his post that he was trophy hunting that bear. He would've taken the shot no matter what the circumstances. After all, he had a big margin of error with his �ber mag...
I'm not commenting on the topic, I'm commenting on you Rancho Loco. I've asked you before why you come here? Indeed, who do you? You constantly disparage Rick's forum and the posters here. Why don't you just leave? If you hate Rick's venue, tell him. Tell him straight up how his forum is a "freakshow" as you put it. Better yet, just leave. Many of us are hoping for the day you do.
Maybe if you two girls got off the couch and actually did something outdoors, you wouldn't be so angry all the time.
I get off the couch and outdoors all the time. I'm also not angry. When you say nothing it just comes back to the original question. Why hang out here when you don't like most of the people and don't like the site?
TAK doesn't bitch constantly about how retarded the fire is nor call it a freakshow. He also doesn't run down whole bunches of posters, just the ones that eff with him. Seriously, if you don't like it here, leave. Seems simple.
Maybe when TAK and TRH are done with their pig roast, you'll get a chance.
I don't know what you're talking about. Pig roast? Ask who, what? You're the one that hates the Campfire and its denizens. Seems like the simple solution is to leave. I pointed that out to you and asked you why you didn't. It has nothing to do with TAK or TRH.
I guess if you dislike his posts you could stop reading them.
Pretty simple really.
What business is it of yours? It's a conversation between Rancho and me. I mean, since you butted in, I could tell you to kiss my ass. But I won't do that. Instead I'll just tell you it's none of your business, since it's between Loco and me. Get it?
I have one simple question that I don't think has been answered yet and that is why SFM didn't shoot uber bear again instead of knowing that he was leaving a wounded but live animal?
I have one simple question that I don't think has been answered yet and that is why SFM didn't shoot uber bear again instead of knowing that he was leaving a wounded but live animal?
Simple. In SFM speak, "anchored" means ass shot and ran off.
When the day comes that I am unable to follow up on an animal should things go bad, I will hang up my hunting boots. My love for the hunt and more, for the critters I hunt, dictates it be so. They deserve that, at the very least.
It's time the OP faces the hard reality: his hunting days are pretty much behind him, save for maybe some small game stuff. Mark, shame on you for starting something you *knew* you couldn't finish if things went bad. It shows a total lack of respect for the hunt, as well as for the animal that suffered as a result of your bad choices and inability to follow through with what you started. Rather than try to come off as some hero, you should be hanging your head.
Final thought: JJ Hack appears to be a good and generous man, filled with kindness. Respect.
JJ Hack is the real deal. And has a ton of real experience.
If he runs around with lots of 'Safarimen' types, I guess he'd *have* to be. Cleaning up messes like that on the regular would take--and build-- some serious skills, yo...
I know, brother. Been reading his stuff for many years on AR, but thanks. One of my favorite hunts he pulled off was of that beast of a cougar he called in--the one missing a paw. What an animal that one was. Not to mention the gazillion bears he's taken in WA (I believe it's WA but maybe OR)...
Also have enjoyed a lot of his African stuff over the years. Any guy who gets his PH license pretty much has my respect for the bush knowledge/skills requirement alone. An American who has to learn all the required stuff without the benefit of growing up in an African nation does it? Mad props.
This decrepid half paralized, dead guy with a thousand diseases weirdo needs to hang it up, no more hunting for him.
its all over pops, start selling your junk and get ready for the inevitable.
I think your wrong. The elk camp I hunted out of as a teen was made up of 6 old guys that were too old to pack or even hike much and then there was two of us that we're in our mid teens that did all the physical work. Looking back, I was taught a ton by guys that had BTDT and it gave those guys a few more years in the woods.
When the day comes that I am unable to follow up on an animal should things go bad, I will hang up my hunting boots. My love for the hunt and more, for the critters I hunt, dictates it be so. They deserve that, at the very least.
It's time the OP faces the hard reality: his hunting days are pretty much behind him, save for maybe some small game stuff. Mark, shame on you for starting something you *knew* you couldn't finish if things went bad. It shows a total lack of respect for the hunt, as well as for the animal that suffered as a result of your bad choices and inability to follow through with what you started. Rather than try to come off as some hero, you should be hanging your head.
Final thought: JJ Hack appears to be a good and generous man, filled with kindness. Respect.
Hey, I would chase things all over for you friend!
FWIW, I went after my bear, alone, the night I shot him and only quit when my flashlight did and I started tripping over limbs and vines. AFAIK, he was stone dead. The shot looked and sounded great, and the bear piled up and rolled quickly down into the nasty Blackberry vines and rocks with very steep slopes. The next morning, I was in the bottom of that canyon WITH JJ looking for my dead bear (All indications were that he was dead down in there) And was looking for blood or sign in the bottom of the drainage when Jim happened upon him and administered a Cou De Grace at nearly point blank range like anyone would have done.
And, I was as involved as anyone in recovery and processing the bear. The picture showed Jim H working on the bear while he was by the truck because I had stepped away to take that picture.
So many wrong, negative assumptions have been made along the way in this thread that have no basis in fact. Just speculation that turns into an accusation.
My friends who go with me on hunts go willingly, knowing that I need a bit more help these days due to my illness. I did not force anyone. And that day I dove down into the mix of everything and stayed at the project until the bear was in a cooler and the hide at the taxidermist.
I paid dearly for that in pain and exhaustion for the next few days after, but for me it was a good trade.
Yes, JJHack IS a very good man and I am fortunate to count him among my closest friends. I have helped others on game retrieval adventures when I could, and there may come a day when I can again. Some people post Kidney Transplant bounce back to be nearly thier former selves. This is my hope, but only God knows and only time will tell.
For me, I am going to live as big as I can for as long as I can. Keep pushing the envelopes until I die, or maybe die trying.
FWIW, I went after my bear, alone, the night I shot him and only quit when my flashlight did and I started tripping over limbs and vines. AFAIK, he was stone dead. The shot looked and sounded great, and the bear piled up and rolled quickly down into the nasty Blackberry vines and rocks with very steep slopes. The next morning, I was in the bottom of that canyon WITH JJ looking for my dead bear (All indications were that he was dead down in there) And was looking for blood or sign in the bottom of the drainage when Jim happened upon him and administered a Cou De Grace at nearly point blank range like anyone would have done.
And, I was as involved as anyone in recovery and processing the bear. The picture showed Jim H working on the bear while he was by the truck because I had stepped away to take that picture.
So many wrong, negative assumptions have been made along the way in this thread that have no basis in fact. Just speculation that turns into an accusation.
My friends who go with me on hunts go willingly, knowing that I need a bit more help these days due to my illness. I did not force anyone. And that day I dove down into the mix of everything and stayed at the project until the bear was in a cooler and the hide at the taxidermist.
I paid dearly for that in pain and exhaustion for the next few days after, but for me it was a good trade.
Yes, JJHack IS a very good man and I am fortunate to count him among my closest friends. I have helped others on game retrieval adventures when I could, and there may come a day when I can again. Some people post Kidney Transplant bounce back to be nearly thier former selves. This is my hope, but only God knows and only time will tell.
For me, I am going to live as big as I can for as long as I can. Keep pushing the envelopes until I die, or maybe die trying.
That there was a mistake, the defensive posture invites attack.
I want to see a better pic.of the pick up with 2 full miles of 5/8" cable! That is almost 8000 lbs. of cable alone,plus the weight of the winch.Must have uber duty springs!
Dude, you should have been there. It was UBER..... EVERYTHING. Not one bit was un-UBER. Including awesome.... UBERED. Kinda like UBER squared, only with more UBER.
Lol.... What a cluster fock. D*mn.
Great beast, but ass shooting anything will cause uber suffering...
This decrepid half paralized, dead guy with a thousand diseases weirdo needs to hang it up, no more hunting for him.
its all over pops, start selling your junk and get ready for the inevitable.
so now another one of your specialties, is you are the deciding factor, on when people should no longer hunt??? at least according to your perspective?
you must be one of those 20 somethings that grew up with mommy telling you that you were special....and actually believing it...
I'm sure you spend hours admiring yourself in the mirror each morning after brushing your teeth.. as I am sure you aren't old enough to have to shave yet...
but you are exactly what this forum needed... a new douche bag that is a legend in his own mind.... no forum on the internet can have enough of those....thanks for gracing us with your presence and your "Wizdumb"...
FWIW, I went after my bear, alone, the night I shot him and only quit when my flashlight did and I started tripping over limbs and vines. AFAIK, he was stone dead. The shot looked and sounded great, and the bear piled up and rolled quickly down into the nasty Blackberry vines and rocks with very steep slopes. The next morning, I was in the bottom of that canyon WITH JJ looking for my dead bear (All indications were that he was dead down in there) And was looking for blood or sign in the bottom of the drainage when Jim happened upon him and administered a Cou De Grace at nearly point blank range like anyone would have done.
And, I was as involved as anyone in recovery and processing the bear. The picture showed Jim H working on the bear while he was by the truck because I had stepped away to take that picture.
So many wrong, negative assumptions have been made along the way in this thread that have no basis in fact. Just speculation that turns into an accusation.
My friends who go with me on hunts go willingly, knowing that I need a bit more help these days due to my illness. I did not force anyone. And that day I dove down into the mix of everything and stayed at the project until the bear was in a cooler and the hide at the taxidermist.
I paid dearly for that in pain and exhaustion for the next few days after, but for me it was a good trade.
Yes, JJHack IS a very good man and I am fortunate to count him among my closest friends. I have helped others on game retrieval adventures when I could, and there may come a day when I can again. Some people post Kidney Transplant bounce back to be nearly thier former selves. This is my hope, but only God knows and only time will tell.
For me, I am going to live as big as I can for as long as I can. Keep pushing the envelopes until I die, or maybe die trying.
Thats all you can do is keep doing what you can. I knew a guy who helped a blind man kill a buck. I've known a couple guys in wheelchairs whose friends pushed them out in the woods. Thats what friends are for. I know I would never quit hunting unless I wAs competely bedridden. You get out there and do your best, and surround yourself with some good friends.
FWIW, I went after my bear, alone, the night I shot him and only quit when my flashlight did and I started tripping over limbs and vines. AFAIK, he was stone dead. The shot looked and sounded great, and the bear piled up and rolled quickly down into the nasty Blackberry vines and rocks with very steep slopes. The next morning, I was in the bottom of that canyon WITH JJ looking for my dead bear (All indications were that he was dead down in there) And was looking for blood or sign in the bottom of the drainage when Jim happened upon him and administered a Cou De Grace at nearly point blank range like anyone would have done.
And, I was as involved as anyone in recovery and processing the bear. The picture showed Jim H working on the bear while he was by the truck because I had stepped away to take that picture.
So many wrong, negative assumptions have been made along the way in this thread that have no basis in fact. Just speculation that turns into an accusation.
My friends who go with me on hunts go willingly, knowing that I need a bit more help these days due to my illness. I did not force anyone. And that day I dove down into the mix of everything and stayed at the project until the bear was in a cooler and the hide at the taxidermist.
I paid dearly for that in pain and exhaustion for the next few days after, but for me it was a good trade.
Yes, JJHack IS a very good man and I am fortunate to count him among my closest friends. I have helped others on game retrieval adventures when I could, and there may come a day when I can again. Some people post Kidney Transplant bounce back to be nearly thier former selves. This is my hope, but only God knows and only time will tell.
For me, I am going to live as big as I can for as long as I can. Keep pushing the envelopes until I die, or maybe die trying.
Thats all you can do is keep doing what you can.
Which is what, exactly? He went into this "hunt" knowing he was severely physically limited and had no real plan or accommodation in place to handle what would happen should his "uberfast" rifle fail to humanely kill the animal. It's time to hang it up.
FWIW, I went after my bear, alone, the night I shot him and only quit when my flashlight did and I started tripping over limbs and vines. AFAIK, he was stone dead. The shot looked and sounded great, and the bear piled up and rolled quickly down into the nasty Blackberry vines and rocks with very steep slopes. The next morning, I was in the bottom of that canyon WITH JJ looking for my dead bear (All indications were that he was dead down in there) And was looking for blood or sign in the bottom of the drainage when Jim happened upon him and administered a Cou De Grace at nearly point blank range like anyone would have done.
And, I was as involved as anyone in recovery and processing the bear. The picture showed Jim H working on the bear while he was by the truck because I had stepped away to take that picture.
So many wrong, negative assumptions have been made along the way in this thread that have no basis in fact. Just speculation that turns into an accusation.
My friends who go with me on hunts go willingly, knowing that I need a bit more help these days due to my illness. I did not force anyone. And that day I dove down into the mix of everything and stayed at the project until the bear was in a cooler and the hide at the taxidermist.
I paid dearly for that in pain and exhaustion for the next few days after, but for me it was a good trade.
Yes, JJHack IS a very good man and I am fortunate to count him among my closest friends. I have helped others on game retrieval adventures when I could, and there may come a day when I can again. Some people post Kidney Transplant bounce back to be nearly thier former selves. This is my hope, but only God knows and only time will tell.
For me, I am going to live as big as I can for as long as I can. Keep pushing the envelopes until I die, or maybe die trying.
Thats all you can do is keep doing what you can. I knew a guy who helped a blind man kill a buck. I've known a couple guys in wheelchairs whose friends pushed them out in the woods. Thats what friends are for. I know I would never quit hunting unless I wAs competely bedridden. You get out there and do your best, and surround yourself with some good friends.
Mike,
I closed my eyes and imagined what you last deer hunt will look like...
FWIW, I went after my bear, alone, the night I shot him and only quit when my flashlight did and I started tripping over limbs and vines. AFAIK, he was stone dead. The shot looked and sounded great, and the bear piled up and rolled quickly down into the nasty Blackberry vines and rocks with very steep slopes. The next morning, I was in the bottom of that canyon WITH JJ looking for my dead bear (All indications were that he was dead down in there) And was looking for blood or sign in the bottom of the drainage when Jim happened upon him and administered a Cou De Grace at nearly point blank range like anyone would have done.
And, I was as involved as anyone in recovery and processing the bear. The picture showed Jim H working on the bear while he was by the truck because I had stepped away to take that picture.
So many wrong, negative assumptions have been made along the way in this thread that have no basis in fact. Just speculation that turns into an accusation.
My friends who go with me on hunts go willingly, knowing that I need a bit more help these days due to my illness. I did not force anyone. And that day I dove down into the mix of everything and stayed at the project until the bear was in a cooler and the hide at the taxidermist.
I paid dearly for that in pain and exhaustion for the next few days after, but for me it was a good trade.
Yes, JJHack IS a very good man and I am fortunate to count him among my closest friends. I have helped others on game retrieval adventures when I could, and there may come a day when I can again. Some people post Kidney Transplant bounce back to be nearly thier former selves. This is my hope, but only God knows and only time will tell.
For me, I am going to live as big as I can for as long as I can. Keep pushing the envelopes until I die, or maybe die trying.
Thats all you can do is keep doing what you can. I knew a guy who helped a blind man kill a buck. I've known a couple guys in wheelchairs whose friends pushed them out in the woods. Thats what friends are for. I know I would never quit hunting unless I wAs competely bedridden. You get out there and do your best, and surround yourself with some good friends.
Mike,
I closed my eyes and imagined what you last deer hunt will look like...
I want to see a better pic.of the pick up with 2 full miles of 5/8" cable! That is almost 8000 lbs. of cable alone,plus the weight of the winch.Must have uber duty springs!
Dude, you should have been there. It was UBER..... EVERYTHING. Not one bit was un-UBER. Including awesome.... UBERED. Kinda like UBER squared, only with more UBER.
Lol.... What a cluster fock. D*mn.
Great beast, but ass shooting anything will cause uber suffering...
The whole thing was FUBAR. Fu***ng Ubered Beyond All Recognition
Well, I thought the hunt left something to be desired, but I would draw the line at making fun of a guy because he needs a kidney. Or had other physical impairments. YMMV.
Well, I thought the hunt left something to be desired, but I would draw the line at making fun of a guy because he needs a kidney. Or had other physical impairments. YMMV.
Hunt enough and you will eventually miss. Maybe by a little, maybe by a lot. One of the reasons I like Craig Boddingtons writing is he admits to and wrotes about misses, wounded animals, and failures when they happen.
Holy Smokes, just saw the tale scattered over (oops, I mean ALL over) the forum.
1. Saw a bear at a friends spot. 2. Ass shot bear with uber unit. 3. Phoned a friend. 4. Went home. 5. Came back with another friend. 6. Friend found bear. 7. Friend killed bear. 8. Friend took hero shots of me. 9. Friend hauled bear. 10. Friend gutted bear. 11. Friend skinned bear. 12. I wrote up multiple entries on internet forums of my awesomeness. 13. I was voted a badass mutherphoucer......
by me.
Well written.
He didn't kill anything. He just wounded an animal and then had to call a guide to come in and clean up his mess.
Let's don't forget the part where he offers to give meat to anybody that wants it, except the one friend that was recently in his house but got none offered.
Well, I'd give away meat that was left in the woods on a hot night too. Damn'd if I'm going to eat it.
Well, I thought the hunt left something to be desired, but I would draw the line at making fun of a guy because he needs a kidney. Or had other physical impairments. YMMV.
I agree, it sounds like a lot of these guys either never hunt, or hunt from a tree stand over a bait station. If you have never been on a hunt that turned into a bit of a goat rope because of a bad shot, you just don't hunt much. All the MR perfects don't fool any of the real hunters on this website.
This is my take as well. It's not that a bad shot happened because they'll happen to all of us. It's the manner in which the story was told that leaves a sour taste in peoples mouths.
This is my take. It's not that a bad shot happened because they'll happen to all of us. It's the manner in which the story was told that leaves a sour taste in peoples mouths.
A guy told me several years ago that he was going to kick my azz so I kinda grabbed it but the idiot missed and hit me upside my head! What an idiot!! I sure laughed at him for being such a lousy shot!
Well, I thought the hunt left something to be desired, but I would draw the line at making fun of a guy because he needs a kidney. Or had other physical impairments. YMMV.
Us conservatives love to pile on. The dog pack mentality is alive and well on the Fire.
Anyone who hasn't made a mistake on a hunt hasn't hunted much but some feel they can rectify their sins by attacking others. They can remember to take care of the board in their own eye, and that refers to mistakes other than in the hunting field.
I would have hit it in the heart, but other things, well, maybe.i haven't. I only make for sure kill shots now, so I'm limited to sitting doves and ducks.
Im not allison, chicken legs, im what you would call, a ghost.
What's up Hardy boy? You still laying down those cool tracks? How's that buck toothed ho of yours doing? Tell her she uses too much teeth when honking bobo
Yeah D I V O R C E Once she finds out you're a peter puffer and voted for Obama she will take you to the cleaners. She won't get much Wheels 1 can't pay that good and god knows your music blows
So? getting back on track, what is the BEST way to drag a dead bear out? did we ever learn?
You need tatted up guns. And a couple of friends to call. One of whom must be prepared to shoot the bear prior to dragging it and the other should own a winch with two miles of wire rope that looks like a couple of hundred yards.
So? getting back on track, what is the BEST way to drag a dead bear out? did we ever learn?
You need tatted up guns. And a couple of friends to call. One of whom must be prepared to shoot the bear prior to dragging it and the other should own a winch with two miles of wire rope that looks like a couple of hundred yards.
So? getting back on track, what is the BEST way to drag a dead bear out? did we ever learn?
You need tatted up guns. And a couple of friends to call. One of whom must be prepared to shoot the bear prior to dragging it and the other should own a winch with two miles of wire rope that looks like a couple of hundred yards.
I'm sure no one on the fire ever used a buds horses and man power to get an elk out. I wonder how many naysayers are jealous of the size of that big bear.
If y'all have the tatted up guns why not just skip the shooting and go to rasslin' the bar? Let the bar chase you up the slope and then rassle him to death and just throw him in the UPS truck. What are the regs on shipping a bar? Live and dead?
Good god, the tenassees (deliberate sp) have been out in droves today. The only good thing about Reb central is Jackson kayaks and some of e great rivers there....
You also have to remind people you're 6'3 and weigh 250 lbs.
Oh yeah, and something about your old lady being younger than you, too.
My old lady can kick your old lady's ASS,
Yeah, well, my old lady has tatted up guns and said she'd shoot anyone else's old lady in the ass with something "uber" and leave her laying overnight.
I have made a grievous error. I thought Stewart had said he was a good part Aboriginal Tribesman. To me Aborigines look akin to the fellow in Bricktop's avatar. Then his pic, which looks to be about circa 1975, indeed looks like Bob's Big Boy.
I have to totally revise my thinking about the origins of Australia now. Prior to the English dumping their convicts there, evidently there were whole tribes resembling Bob's Big Boy, but probably with full-sleeve tats, running around in thongs [bleep] Kangaroos and the like. Maybe those in Quigley just rolled in the mud all the time in order to prevent skin cancer. That and they had no access to Suave.
I have made a grievous error. I thought Stewart had said he was a good part Aboriginal Tribesman. To me Aborigines look akin to the fellow in Bricktop's avatar. Then his pic, which looks to be about circa 1975, indeed looks like Bob's Big Boy.
I have to totally revise my thinking about the origins of Australia now. Prior to the English dumping their convicts there, evidently there were whole tribes resembling Bob's Big Boy, but probably with full-sleeve tats, running around in thongs [bleep] Kangaroos and the like. Maybe those in Quigley just rolled in the mud all the time in order to prevent skin cancer. That and they had no access to Suave.
I am of Aboriginal descent, like an awful lot of other Australians I have a touch of the tar-brush...I am NOT Aboriginal, I am most definitely not a tribal man.
And with the amount of European blood in my veins I all but glow in the dark...my cousins on the other hand are an entirely different matter as they are most definitely tribal Aboriginals.
added, the little lad (Kidman) with me in the picture IS Aboriginal and his mother is from Windorah in QLD, I went to school with her brothers for a short time.
Amusing to remember all those little Aboriginal kids and one whitey down at the dump with bung eyes.
As far as the definition of "obese," don't take my word for it, you can look it up. Google body mass index and go from there. 6'3 and 250 is borderline obese, unless you're someone who works out a lot with a high percentage of muscle mass.
Not many fit that definition.
I would never bag on someone for being overweight. But I would bag on someone for bragging on it. Safariman, if you weren't bragging on it, my sincerest apologies.
As far as the definition of "obese," don't take my word for it, you can look it up. Google body mass index and go from there. 6'3 and 250 is borderline obese, unless you're someone who works out a lot with a high percentage of muscle mass.
Not many fit that definition.
I would never bag on someone for being overweight. But I would bag on someone for bragging on it. Safariman, if you weren't bragging on it, my sincerest apologies.
lol There are a lot of guys that are that tall and weigh that who aren't "obese".
....don't take my word for it, you can look it up.
I don't need to look it up because I see people every day. I even see some that I know well enough that they've said what they weigh.
Smokepole is correct, but what the charts do not take into account is muscle mass and build type...probably compiled by skinny little rat like creatures in the insurance industry.
And with the amount of European blood in my veins I all but glow in the dark...
Another mistake. I thought On the Beach was a fictional story.
No mate, your only mistake that I can see is thinking you could use race and colour to embarrass me into submission...control and ridicule does not come that easily.
And with the amount of European blood in my veins I all but glow in the dark...
Another mistake. I thought On the Beach was a fictional story.
No mate, your only mistake that I can see is thinking you could use race and colour to embarrass me into submission...control and ridicule does not come that easily.
....don't take my word for it, you can look it up.
I don't need to look it up because I see people every day. I even see some that I know well enough that they've said what they weigh.
Smokepole is correct, but what the charts do not take into account is muscle mass and build type...probably compiled by skinny little rat like creatures in the insurance industry.
That's how I used to think. I ran the numbers on myself and came up as "overweight.". No way, and my wife and friends agreed. Then I dropped 15 lbs. And a few inches.
This has been in the news here lately. A study was done here in Colorado, which is consistently among the lowes. Of the 2 or 3 US states in terms of the percentage of the population that's overweight or obese. The results of the study showed that most people have lost the ability to correctly judge what is overweight or obese.
How can that be? It's simple--most people are overweight. If you ask the average person if they consider themselves overweight, they'll invariably say no. If you ask them if they could stand to lose 10 pounds, they'll say "of course, can't e erybody?"
Being ten pounds over weight is not obesity...and having some skinny little rake that has never done any heavy lifting tell everyone that they need to lose weight is somewhat insulting.
There is a dumpy little Indian bitch that is passing herself off as a doctor here that gets her jollies telling everyone they need to be built like some anorexic Ethiopean...I have been waiting for the news that someone has finally beaten her to death with her stethoscope.
That said, the last female Indian doctor we had here seemed to get her jollies rubbing her hands all over my back and shoulders...she was one weird piece of work, and am thinking they all are.
How can that be? It's simple--most people are overweight. If you ask the average person if they consider themselves overweight, they'll invariably say no. If you ask them if they could stand to lose 10 pounds, they'll say "of course, can't e erybody?"
"overweight" Over what? What matters is your body fat percentage. 15% is optimal, unless you engage in some sort of athletic endeavor that demands less (but that isn't necessarily healthy)
"overweight" Over what? What matters is your body fat percentage. 15% is optimal, unless you engage in some sort of athletic endeavor that demands less (but that isn't necessarily healthy)
Like maybe hauling out a bear that your friend shot for you.
Body fat percentage Is an excellent indicator. Ask the members here if they know theirs. A small percentage may. If they do, most likely they're not overweight.
Body fat percentage Is an excellent indicator. Ask the members here if they know theirs. A small percentage may. If they do, most likely they're not overweight.
Not many will be at or below 15% either.
Mine is 19%, at 170#, that means I'm seven pounds overweight. That pretty much jives with what I see in the mirror.
I would add that, if you can do 10 dead-hang pullups, you can most likely skip the body fat percentage, as that'll be the first thing to go when you get too heavy, unless you are one cock-strong SOB, and in that case, it probably doesn't really matter anyway.
I would add that, if you can do 10 dead-hang pullups, you can most likely skip the body fat percentage, as that'll be the first thing to go when you get too heavy, unless you are one cock-strong SOB, and in that case, it probably doesn't really matter anyway.
He is the jack of all trades by day lethal killing machine special forces and at night crossfit instructor.
But doesn't have a camera.
Travis
Well his last mission into the [bleep] he took his camera, but they confiscated it when he got back. Now he has to wait 25yrs to get it back thats when that mission will be declassified.
He is the jack of all trades by day lethal killing machine special forces and at night crossfit instructor.
Can't do ten pullups, I guess.
You guessed right, does the Sergeant Major of the Army know how much of a bad ass you are? Ladies and gentelman the #1 bad ass in the U.S [bleep] Army inventory TAK!
Seriously though, I didn't just pull that 15% body fat thing out of thin air. First, that is what Dr Barry Sears suggests as optimal for a male, along with 18% for a female. A female has to maintain a higher bodyfat percentage due to fat in her mammary tissue/boobs.
When a female's BF% drops much lower than 18%, her menstrual cycle is screwed up/halted, and many think that can contribute to osteoporosis. The effects on her hormones happen fairly quickly
For a male, this effect may not be immeadiate, but we know for certain that high level endurance athletes, most of whom have quite low BF percentages, have markedly higher rates of several cancers. IE, Lance Armstrong. You can't escape your hormones.
When a female's BF% drops much lower than 18%, her menstrual cycle is screwed up/halted, and many think that can contribute to osteoporosis. The effects on her hormones happen fairly quickly
Finally. A subject TAK does actually know something about.
If it needs professional help, you don't wanna look or smell those. When they get all blue and look like they been beat with a bag of nickles, brrrrrrr.
Seriously though, I didn't just pull that 15% body fat thing out of thin air. First, that is what Dr Barry Sears suggests as optimal for a male, along with 18% for a female. A female has to maintain a higher bodyfat percentage due to fat in her mammary tissue/boobs.
When a female's BF% drops much lower than 18%, her menstrual cycle is screwed up/halted, and many think that can contribute to osteoporosis. The effects on her hormones happen fairly quickly
For a male, this effect may not be immeadiate, but we know for certain that high level endurance athletes, most of whom have quite low BF percentages, have markedly higher rates of several cancers. IE, Lance Armstrong. You can't escape your hormones.
The doc is CONSTANTLY after me to lose weight. 15% bodyfat, 5'3.5", 176# = 30.7 BMI, or obese. 46 chest, 33 waist, 40 hips, 580 geared bench press. Yeah doc.....
Not your Indians, we are inundated with the crows from India.
"Crows from India"? My wife is from India and my kids are half Indian. Nothing like blanket racism. GFY
Blanket racism, hardly, just the Indian bastards that are here where I live...and if you want them you may come and get the mongrels and take them home with you.
In point of fact you can take the Islanders and African bastards with you as well...and whilst you are at it you can have the Muslims too.
Not your Indians, we are inundated with the crows from India.
"Crows from India"? My wife is from India and my kids are half Indian. Nothing like blanket racism. GFY
Blanket racism, hardly, just the Indian bastards that are here where I live...and if you want them you may come and get the mongrels and take them home with you.
In point of fact you can take the Islanders and African bastards with you as well...and whilst you are at it you can have the Muslims too.
We have quite a few dot-heads here in America. Unlike most of our dark-skinned imports, they are more than willing to work their azzes off. Unlike the wetbacks, they won't steal your bluejeans off the clothesline, or your kid's bicycle out of the driveway. Unlike the sand [bleep], they don't blow up buildings. I don't mind 'em much.
Not your Indians, we are inundated with the crows from India.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Blanket racism, hardly, just the Indian bastards that are here where I live...and if you want them you may come and get the mongrels and take them home with you.
First you insult an entire race of people from an entire country and then you want to narrow it down to "just the Indian bastards where I live". You're nothing more than a racist white trash piece of chit. You are just pure effing trash
Indians are no different than anyone else. Except when they emigrate, which they do, they have to work harder than the natives to succeed, which they do. My hat's off to them, as a people.
Not many are obese, and flaunt photos of themselves, double chins and all.
Not your Indians, we are inundated with the crows from India.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Blanket racism, hardly, just the Indian bastards that are here where I live...and if you want them you may come and get the mongrels and take them home with you.
First you insult an entire race of people from an entire country and then you want to narrow it down to "just the Indian bastards where I live". You're nothing more than a racist white trash piece of chit. You are just pure effing trash
Narrow it down eh...how about if you want the bastards you take them all and keep them.
Indians are no different than anyone else. Except when they emigrate, which they do, they have to work harder than the natives to succeed, which they do. My hat's off to them, as a people.
Not many are obese, and flaunt photos of themselves, double chins and all.
Now explain why the filth here are all on the dole and sucking the public purse.
If you do not like to see a picture of me you can use the ignore feature.
Now explain why the filth here are all on the dole and sucking the public purse.
If you do not like to see a picture of me you can use the ignore feature.
You don't like what I have to say, then you do the same.
As far as the problems in your country, I can't help you. But if most Australians share your attitudes, I have a good idea where the problems originate.
Now explain why the filth here are all on the dole and sucking the public purse.
If you do not like to see a picture of me you can use the ignore feature.
You don't like what I have to say, then you do the same.
As far as the problems in your country, I can't help you. But if most Australians share your attitudes, I have a good idea where the problems originate.
No problem, we just need to chuck the foreigners out.
We have quite a few dot-heads here in America. Unlike most of our dark-skinned imports, they are more than willing to work their azzes off. Unlike the wetbacks, they won't steal your bluejeans off the clothesline, or your kid's bicycle out of the driveway. Unlike the sand [bleep], they don't blow up buildings. I don't mind 'em much.
Well, the ones living opposite the primary school here have been stealing the vegetables from the kids vegetable plot, they are also on the dole.
Not your Indians, we are inundated with the crows from India.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Blanket racism, hardly, just the Indian bastards that are here where I live...and if you want them you may come and get the mongrels and take them home with you.
First you insult an entire race of people from an entire country and then you want to narrow it down to "just the Indian bastards where I live". You're nothing more than a racist white trash piece of chit. You are just pure effing trash
Narrow it down eh...how about if you want the bastards you take them all and keep them.
We have had them, you take them.
Why don't you just suck a d**k and die you piece of trash
Well, the ones living opposite the primary school here have been stealing the vegetables from the kids vegetable plot, they are also on the dole.
Oh, now you narrow it down even more to the ones across from the primary school. Now you have it narrowed down from 1.237 billion people to a few across from the primary school. You're a loser
Don't you guys down there have convenience stores and motels for them to run?
if he's never had a blue raspberry slush puppy, he ain't lived till a brain freeze makes a man run two redlights and near blackout from a diabeetus coma
Btw
I found a few injun rocks (the feather indians) I need to post up.
Oh, now you narrow it down even more to the ones across from the primary school. Now you have it narrowed down from 1.237 billion people to a few across from the primary school. You're a loser
Originally Posted by huntsonora
Why don't you just suck a d**k and die you piece of trash
Originally Posted by huntsonora
JStuart, Safariman should have shot you in the ass and left you on the mountain
Now who is classless.
And you do not have to read my or listen to my opinion...after all I am in another country and nowhere near you and yours...and if you have some race or colour guilt going there then please do not visit any of it upon me.
I think if you took "Indian" and replaced it with "Mexican" you'd get a feel for their pain down under...
I have met a few Mexicans here and they seem to be very good people, but they are few and far between and we have not been over-run with them like you have.
I have had quite a lot to do with Indians and I would not go out of my way to piss on one if he were on fire.
I have met a few Mexicans here and they seem to be very good people, but they are few and far between and we have not been over-run with them like you have.
I have met a few Mexicans here and they seem to be very good people, but they are few and far between and we have not been over-run with them like you have.
Oh, now you narrow it down even more to the ones across from the primary school. Now you have it narrowed down from 1.237 billion people to a few across from the primary school. You're a loser
Originally Posted by huntsonora
Why don't you just suck a d**k and die you piece of trash
Originally Posted by huntsonora
JStuart, Safariman should have shot you in the ass and left you on the mountain
Now who is classless.
And you do not have to read my or listen to my opinion...after all I am in another country and nowhere near you and yours...and if you have some race or colour guilt going there then please do not visit any of it upon me.
You're the racist POS and what I wrote is how I feel about you and your kind. World would be a better place without trash like you.
You called out an entire race. May as well have called my wife or my children mongrels as my wife is indian and my kids are half. I wouldn't piss in your mouth if you were dying of thirst
You're the racist POS and what I wrote is how I feel about you and your kind. World would be a better place without trash like you.
You called out an entire race. May as well have called my wife or my children mongrels as my wife is indian and my kids are half. I wouldn't piss in your mouth if you were dying of thirst
Quite right, I am...and if you think I am going to change anything about myself and my opinions just because you have made a contrary decision then you are sadly mistaken.
YOU are the one pushing the whole "WIFE AND KIDS" line, I have no interest in what your lot are and what their breed is.
In point of fact, the only one that seems to be getting the hump over the issue is you.
That is better, snide without being nasty, concise and pointed without dissembling.
Stick with it, you are doing well.
Thanks! I thought about making it racial, and maligning an entire segment of the population at once, but decided against that. Keeping it on a personal level is so much more cordial, don't you think?
That is better, snide without being nasty, concise and pointed without dissembling.
Stick with it, you are doing well.
Thanks! I thought about making it racial, and maligning an entire segment of the population at once, but decided against that. Keeping it on a personal level is so much more cordial, don't you think?
No, malign away, might I suggest you start with Muslims and Mexicans...then you could move on to fat people and people you don't agree with.
You may attempt to do so, but you won't because you are a halfwit of the first order, and you are the most inconsistent halfwit I have ever conversed with.
When the others post something I consider what they are saying, your posts I do not deem to be that important.
Yeah, you went down on that thing and chugged for hours, thanks, your indian shaped lips really felt good.
laffin'
Maybe where your from, professin to let another man suc your wee wee is just normal behavior. Where I'm from it just means there a pervert on BOTH ends of the equation. apparently your mileage varies considerably....
I guess the bus has pulled back in town for another spell.....
Yeah, you went down on that thing and chugged for hours, thanks, your indian shaped lips really felt good.
laffin'
Maybe where your from, professin to let another man suc your wee wee is just normal behavior. Where I'm from it just means there a pervert on BOTH ends of the equation. apparently your mileage varies considerably....
I guess the bus has pulled back in town for another spell.....
Not really, I am about to start ignoring him as it is what he dreads.
Yeah, you went down on that thing and chugged for hours, thanks, your indian shaped lips really felt good.
laffin'
Maybe where your from, professin to let another man suc your wee wee is just normal behavior. Where I'm from it just means there a pervert on BOTH ends of the equation. apparently your mileage varies considerably....
I guess the bus has pulled back in town for another spell.....
Not really, I am about to start ignoring him as it is what he dreads.
You know he never seems to travel alone... just sayin'
And you are an intolerant jackass that cannot converse civilly without getting emotional and personal.
You are bitching because I am intolerant you being a bigot? LMAO! You're an idiot. The irony there is just too rich
Actually, I give everybody a chance regardless of race or religion. My feelings towards you and your kind are based on how you've conducted yourself. My educated opinion of you is that you're a troll and a piece of sh*t.
As for civil�
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Not your Indians, we are inundated with the crows from India...
...and if you want them you may come and get the mongrels and take them home with you.
...Oh...and go f_ck yourself royally.
Thats your idea of civil? My assessment of you being nothing but trash is spot on
Tell you what, since my opinions are based on my experiences and I do not know you from a bar of soap...what do you expect to achieve by abusing me?
Do you possibly think that you can instill a base change in my Psyche, possibly bring me to a Revelation regarding the inherent goodness of all things Indian.
Tell you what, since my opinions are based on my experiences and I do not know you from a bar of soap...what do you expect to achieve by abusing me?
Do you possibly think that you can instill a base change in my Psyche, possibly bring me to a Revelation regarding the inherent goodness of all things Indian.
News to you, it isn't going to happen.
"Abusing you". LOL. Now you're admitting to being a racist pussy.
And you are an intolerant jackass that cannot converse civilly without getting emotional and personal.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
What he's intolerant of is someone calling his wife's ethnic group "mongrels."
I don't blame him; I'd be intolerant of that too.
Anyone can let a racist comment slip. When a guy says "you're talking about my wife and kids," it's time to back off the gas. Notice, I didn't even say apologize, just back off the gas.
What's so funny? Lame of you to make light of a man's shortcomings and another's peculiar deformities. Some guys can overcome many shortcomings in life; unfortunate circumstances and realities they were dealt, and had no choice or say in the whole shebang. I have a double Johnson, fr'example. I got over it eventually. I mean them...
What's so funny? Lame of you to make light of a man's shortcomings and another's peculiar deformities. Some guys can overcome many shortcomings in life; unfortunate circumstances and realities they were dealt, and had no choice or say in the whole shebang. I have a double Johnson, fr'example. I got over it eventually. I mean them...
And you are an intolerant jackass that cannot converse civilly without getting emotional and personal.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
What he's intolerant of is someone calling his wife's ethnic group "mongrels."
I don't blame him; I'd be intolerant of that too.
Anyone can let a racist comment slip. When a guy says "you're talking about my wife and kids," it's time to back off the gas. Notice, I didn't even say apologize, just back off the gas.
In point of fact, I have made it very clear as to my opinion of Indians and any further posts will illicit a similar reaction from me, there is also the minor irritation that no matter what anyone says, or does...my opinion will not change.
I didn't say you disparaged his family and I could care less that you're a racist. Truth is, everyone's a racist to one degree or another whether they'll admit it or not. I was simply agreeing with Sp that once you knew his family was Indian you could have shown a little class, backed off, and gone about your usual business of finding something else about "our lot" to look down your nose at but your ego wouldn't allow you to do that.
I didn't say you disparaged his family and I could care less that you're a racist. Truth is, everyone's a racist to one degree or another whether they'll admit it or not. I was simply agreeing with Sp that once you knew his family was Indian you could have backed off found something else about "our lot" to look down your nose at but your ego wouldn't allow you to do that.
Carry on tuff guy.
Quite right, everyone is a racist even those who refer to their families as "Indian" instead of "American"...and as for backing off and showing a bit of courtesy, perhaps a modicum of restraint...yeah, I can see how threats and telling someone to die is going to help with that.
Carry on yourself...and do keep the thread at the top.
Stuart, this is a forum where people exchange opinions and ideas. You've expressed yours, and now I'll express mine.
You've shown yourself to be without class, so I won't comment further on that. You seem surprised at Huntsonora's anger, which is an indication of your skill in dealing with people. I'm not surprised at his anger, that would be any man's reaction to your insults.
I don't feel anger when I read your posts, I feel pity.
You're obviously a small-minded man who hasn't seen much of the world, and you choose to remain provincial in your views. That's fine, but if you post them on an international public forum, don't be shocked when you take some flack.
Your lack of worldliness is evidenced by your remarks concerning the female doctor who "put her hands all over you."
You're actually surprised that an MD put her hands on you. You think it's something sexual, that you're irresistible.
So when a male doctor checks your prostate, do you think he secretly desires to bugger you? No, he's just doing his job.
I have a close female relative whose doctor missed an abdominal tumor the size of a grapefruit (twice) because the doctor relied on lab tests instead of good old-fashioned manual palpitation. A massage therapist found the tumor. You should count yourself lucky that you have a doctor who's thorough, rather than turning it into a racist rant.
And you've run into other Indians in your town and found your interactions leave something to be desired. That's not surprising, given the attitudes you display here. People tend to meet hostility with hostility.
Or maybe the Indians you're run across in your little corner of the world are truly "bad people." It happens, and you can find "bad people" of any race or creed, especially if you're looking for them. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
But to write off 1.3 billion people due to your interactions in your little corner of the world is ridiculous. You're assuming that the Indians you've come across are representative of all 1.3 billion, and that is just not the case.
There are many Indians in my career field, and I work with them every day. I can't see that they're much different than anyone else. One of the best engineers I've ever worked with is from Mumbai, and I count myself fortunate to be his friend. Every one of the clients he's worked with absolutely loves the guy and they keep sending him more projects, which is the bread and butter for people in this field.
He married an Anglo American woman, and helped raise her child; I can say that having him in her life was a Godsend. The daughter will graduate from college soon.
He's good enough at his work that many years, he gets a significant cash bonus. Enough to cover two years college tuition. And he sends the check directly to his father in Mumbai, who runs an orphanage.
I'm sure that none of this matters to you, and I don't expect to change your opinion. The thing is, it's your loss, not the Indians'.
What's so funny? Lame of you to make light of a man's shortcomings and another's peculiar deformities. Some guys can overcome many shortcomings in life; unfortunate circumstances and realities they were dealt, and had no choice or say in the whole shebang. I have a double Johnson, fr'example. I got over it eventually. I mean them...
Stuart, this is a forum where people exchange opinions and ideas. You've expressed yours, and now I'll express mine.
You've shown yourself to be without class, so I won't comment further on that. You seem surprised at Huntsonora's anger, which is an indication of your skill in dealing with people. I'm not surprised at his anger, that would be any man's reaction to your insults.
I don't feel anger when I read your posts, I feel pity.
You're obviously a small-minded man who hasn't seen much of the world, and you choose to remain provincial in your views. That's fine, but if you post them on an international public forum, don't be shocked when you take some flack.
Your lack of worldliness is evidenced by your remarks concerning the female doctor who "put her hands all over you."
You're actually surprised that an MD put her hands on you. You think it's something sexual, that you're irresistible.
So when a male doctor checks your prostate, do you think he secretly desires to bugger you? No, he's just doing his job.
I have a close female relative whose doctor missed an abdominal tumor the size of a grapefruit (twice) because the doctor relied on lab tests instead of good old-fashioned manual palpitation. A massage therapist found the tumor. You should count yourself lucky that you have a doctor who's thorough, rather than turning it into a racist rant.
And you've run into other Indians in your town and found your interactions leave something to be desired. That's not surprising, given the attitudes you display here. People tend to meet hostility with hostility.
Or maybe the Indians you're run across in your little corner of the world are truly "bad people." It happens, and you can find "bad people" of any race or creed, especially if you're looking for them. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
But to write off 1.3 billion people due to your interactions in your little corner of the world is ridiculous. You're assuming that the Indians you've come across are representative of all 1.3 billion, and that is just not the case.
There are many Indians in my career field, and I work with them every day. I can't see that they're much different than anyone else. One of the best engineers I've ever worked with is from Mumbai, and I count myself fortunate to be his friend. Every one of the clients he's worked with absolutely loves the guy and they keep sending him more projects, which is the bread and butter for people in this field.
He married an Anglo American woman, and helped raise her child; I can say that having him in her life was a Godsend. The daughter will graduate from college soon.
He's good enough at his work that many years, he gets a significant cash bonus. Enough to cover two years college tuition. And he sends the check directly to his father in Mumbai, who runs an orphanage.
I'm sure that none of this matters to you, and I don't expect to change your opinion. The thing is, it's your loss, not the Indians'.
Yep...blah blah blah, you have got the last word you hero you.
...and it makes not one ounce of difference.
For they are still the lowest form of shyte that have ever drawn breath.
This sumbitch has been circling the drain for the past dozen or two posts. Either put a bullet or two behind the ear or ask Rick to put it up as a sticky.
I shot an at-large hound in the ass with 1oz load of #6 yesterday. His ass end was jacked up like a 70 mach-1 mustang.
He was aggressive towards my son and nephew on our property. I gave a him a 50 yard head start so I'm sure he barely got more than a nutt tingle. Next time, we move up to heavishot Dead Coyote.
This sumbitch has been circling the drain for the past dozen or two posts. Either put a bullet or two behind the ear or ask Rick to put it up as a sticky.
This sumbitch has been circling the drain for the past dozen or two posts. Either put a bullet or two behind the ear or ask Rick to put it up as a sticky.
JJHack will have to kill it for us.
Holy mother of mercy you're on FIRE tonight. lmfao
There are some suggested folk remedies that are said to act as a repellent to Drop Bears, these include having forks in the hair or Vegemite or toothpaste spread behind the ears. There is no evidence to suggest that any such repellents work.
No mate . this isn't about Indians, it is about packing up and attempting to make someone else comply with the group ideal.
Keep telling yourself that. No one is trying to make you do anything (as if we could), and it's obvious that someone as small-minded as yourself is incapable of changing his opinion.
But keep telling yourself that. You rebel you.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Stuart, this is a forum where people exchange opinions and ideas. You've expressed yours, and now I'll express mine.
I'm sure that none of this matters to you, and I don't expect to change your opinion.
Not at all. "Big Boy" describes you almost to a "T."
But for a spot-on depiction, I had to dig further in the archives, because Big Boy is a little too svelte. Not enough chins. Here's a more eloquent and accurate depiction:
This sumbitch has been circling the drain for the past dozen or two posts. Either put a bullet or two behind the ear or ask Rick to put it up as a sticky.
JJHack will have to kill it for us.
Holy mother of mercy you're on FIRE tonight. lmfao
Damn, we all need popcorn now...........................................................................................................................
Jim, I'll see if I can find a couple of the other Safariman threads for you like the,"My father was murdered thread" and the "Avalanche for sale" threads.
And then you have the "I need a kidney" thread.
Partsman bumped the not so "Short Apology" thread, Damn I forgot about that one.
Jim, I'll see if I can find a couple of the other Safariman threads for you like the,"My father was murdered thread" and the "Avalanche for sale" threads.
And then you have the "I need a kidney" thread.
Partsman bumped the not so "Short Apology" thread, Damn I forgot about that one.
I am starting to get the picture!
Speaking of kidneys......I actually know a guy with three.
He started out with two, needed one, so they gave him a third.
Jim, I'll see if I can find a couple of the other Safariman threads for you like the,"My father was murdered thread" and the "Avalanche for sale" threads.
And then you have the "I need a kidney" thread.
Partsman bumped the not so "Short Apology" thread, Damn I forgot about that one.
Do you guys have any elderly relatives I could sell some annuities to?
Jim, I'll see if I can find a couple of the other Safariman threads for you like the,"My father was murdered thread" and the "Avalanche for sale" threads. And then you have the "I need a kidney" thread. Partsman bumped the not so "Short Apology" thread, Damn I forgot about that one.
Do you guys have any elderly relatives I could sell some annuities to?
Where is the picture of the yeller uberlanche running over the two old folks?
Jim, I'll see if I can find a couple of the other Safariman threads for you like the,"My father was murdered thread" and the "Avalanche for sale" threads. And then you have the "I need a kidney" thread. Partsman bumped the not so "Short Apology" thread, Damn I forgot about that one.
Do you guys have any elderly relatives I could sell some annuities to?
Where is the picture of the yeller uberlanche running over the two old folks?
Diet Orange Pop is hard to clean from a computer screen. As Safariman himsself would say, "trust me on that".
I have yet to see the "I need a kidney" thread. Coworker needs one, is going downhill fast. Sad. I only have one so am somewhat sympathetic to folks with such obstacles. Does azz shooting a bear take one off the donor list?
I need to know this stuff before I book a bear hunt.
....I need two miles of steel cable, can anyone help a guy out?
I got some. I went on a bear hunt this past June, got two bears. Failed to effectively ass shoot either one so all that steel cable I drug up there is still onthe spools.
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