I will never buy another new Remington product.

How anyone can take great designs like the 870 pump shotgun and the 700 bolt action rifle and screw them up as much as Remington is doing now is beyond my comprehension.

I quit buying new 700 rifles right before the J-lock design came out. I prefer to buy an older used 700, re barrel, and re stock it if necessary. I get a better quality semi-custom rifle at the same price range as I would have to pay for a new off the shelf rifle.

For a while I was thinking maybe I'm just growing persnickety in my old age.

Last year, I decided to start hunting waterfowl again. Since I had given my 12 gauge 870 to my oldest son, I was in need of a new pump shotgun. I bought a new 870 Express with the plastic stock. The gun looked like a good one to drag out to a duck blind and it did not have that cussed J-lock on it.

I shot a few clays and a box of AA's through it before the season opened. The action seamed very stiff to me and the gun did not clear the fired shells. It acted just like it had one of those shell catchers that trap shooters use. When I took the gun apart I found two places on the ejection port that had serious "burrs" left from the machining. I say they were burrs, but they were actually very sharp projections. One was nearly 1/4 inch long and was catching on each fired hull. I took some needle files and corrected that problem. While I was at it, I worked the action and smoothed it up considerably. Now the gun is shooting like it should and I was happy again.

So what am I bitching for?

Because I just took out my 1960's era 20 gauge 870 and shot it. And I took a real close look at the last new 700 BDL I bought in 1985. And I realized I have never needed to turn a screw on either gun. The earlier guns were smooth and functioned perfectly right out of the box. No DIY gun smithing necessary to make those guns work.

So I know that I have not grown persnickety. Rather, the idiots at Remington have succeeded in taking perfectly designed, time tested, simple to build actions such as the 870 pump shotgun and the 700 bolt action rifle and screwed up the manufacturing process to a point of dis-belief.

Thank goodness there are plenty of used 870 and 700 guns that actually work available, because I will not purchase another new item bearing the word Remington.

OK, I done bitchin' now.

It ain't just Remington, and it ain't just in the gun industry.....

Here's the reason:

Do more with less. Experience, pride and work ethic are expensive.

I think the writer's said it best. More new guns are being made for people who already have the old tried and true. Less of the general public is buying new rifles therefore the gun companies have to cook up something more razzle-dazzlier than what the competition has, to get you to try just one more. Or make a cheaper (low end) product for those who want the brand but can't yet afford the real deal (which they may have to inherit or buy used at a gun show).

Its because Swampman700 got a job there and Lee24's cnc machines are running the show.

Remington is owned by the same investment banking firm which owns things like Chrysler. Does that help explain things?

And Tom264, Remington doesn't, to my knowledge, use any of my CNC technology. They do use a chemical vapor deposition machine which I helped design to apply their "TriNyte" finish to the XCR rifles.

Hahahahah! right!

"I I I I ME ME ME ME" blah blah blah!

Sad but too true.

Perhaps the most concise way to state it is, colleges produced students with MBA's and taught them that the key to effectively running a business was profitability (cost cutting), and they key to success in your career is to make your group profitable in 2 years, then get promoted or hired on to another company based on your "success"

Somehow the concept that understanding what product your company produces, how it produces that product and producing quality products is the key to making a successful business was never taught.

I've seen that going on for the past 20 years. I suppose a dumbed down consumer who just cares about getting as much cheap stuff as possible hasn't helped either.

Ingwe

aint nothing built like it used to be but the sps is pretty good bargain for 500 dollars

I don't think it is. I'd much rather have a older used ADL for $350. It would have a nicer polish and blue finish, a decent wood stock, and it would work without a trip to the shop.

id agree but its still better than on of them 710s,atrs,variuos chepos

Can you show us a picture of it....????

Along with your new Winchester....????

Dennis

i bought a couple of cdls last year im well pleased with them for a nicer gun you would have to pay alot more money but they could take their time and put a little more in them they dont compare to the couple of bdls i got from the 80s or even the old adl or two

Never buy the Express model of anything Reminton. The Wingmaster 870 lineup is where its still at.


MtnHtr

I agree. I do have some express 870s that are tough as nails, but the Wingmaster is hard to beat.

I haven't had any issues with the 700s in the last 10 years. I've probably purchased at least 10 Remingtons since 2000 and none have given me any trouble. Every 700 I've ever purchased has shot less than MOA with handloads. Matter of fact, all of the later model 700s I've custom loaded for shot less than MOA as well. I own quite a few different makes and models of guns, Remington is still one of my favorites.

Good friend of mine bought a new 700 two weeks ago, sub moa with factory loads.....

Have a Good One,

loder

Ive had good luck with Remington 700s too,and their Model Sevens..
Gotta say I don't care for the new pad on the CDLs...really cheesy looking....but thats just MHO...
Ingwe

im glad somebody else noticed that pad its nice on magnums they need to leave that thing off the smaller calibers for sure my 260 cdl has one of them inch and half rubber spongeson it it scratches real easy the gun doesnt need much of a recoil pad it shoots sweet its probly my favorite late model gu

I have had good luck with my M700s and 870s.
I did have an issue with the floor plate spring on an M700 short-action varminter.
Never did get that totally sorted out.

YGTBFSM

If true (which I HIGHLY doubt) the problem with Remington is.......they hired Lee24.

RH

The same with most anything manufactured in the States now. With the dollar becoming worth less and less, the cost to recreate a 60's 70's model rifle would put them out of price range completely today. Won't be long before all Remington will be manufactured in China. I wouldn't doubt that most if not all parts are outsourced today.

Do you feel better now? Just take your $2500-$3000 down the road and you can get a decent shotgun.
As usual someone wants to spend a whole $250 dollars and then bitch if they don't get something comparable to a one off from a custom shop. You get what you pay for. What did you pay for the 870? What would you have paid for one in 1960? What would you have paid for a Ford automobile in 1960? What will you pay for one now?

Good points. I bought my 12-gauge Wingmaster 870 in 1979 for just under $300, and that included an extra barrel because they didn't offer screw-in chokes back then. According to at least one source, the Consumer Price Index has about tripled since then, so my $300 shotgun would cost $900 today. Leaving out the extra barrel and saying the 1979 shotgun cost $250 would still result in a $750 pumpgun. Ain't nobody paying that much these days--though I did buy a brand-new 28-gauge Wingmaster two years ago and it works just fine. In fact it is better in some ways than the 1979 version, with nicer wood with real (instead of impressed) checkering, and a nicer metal finish. It worked really slickly right out of the box.

I have only owned one Wingmaster, a 12 gauge my old man bought me way back in 1983.
Funny part was, it had a 28" ?? full-choke barrel with a 2 3/4" chamber.
Always wondered why it didn't come with a 3".

The 1964 WingMaster cost $68.00 (I have the receipt)

What does a new WingMaster run today $500. - $600. ?

I paid $260. for the express. What did I expect for that price?

I expected a plastic stock instead of wood, unpolished metal, and a sprayed on black finish instead of polished blue. I expected the same 870 action as a WingMaster with a less labor intensive finish and a cheap tupperware stock. That's what I paid for.

I also expected the damn thing to function properly. I expected the fired case to eject clear out of the action, not stick there every time the gun was cycled. I expect a new gun to function the way it was designed to do.

I expect I should not need to repair it right out of the box.

And for $2,500 to $3,000 I would expect a new over/under shotgun with a nice polished, blued finish and pretty walnut stock. Only a fool would give that kind of money for a field grade pump shotgun.

My 1964 WingMaster came with a 28 inch full choke barrel. In 1984 I purchased a new 26 inch IC barrel for $35. It turned that shotgun into a quail killing machine.

Both the 1100 and 870 came in "Magnum" versions for 3" shells usually with a 30" full choke VR barrel. I still have an 1100 Magnum I used during my teens years duck & goose hunting, Alot of friends used the 3" 870 Magnum with a 30" full vent rib barrel. Both models were well respected by veteran waterfowlers back in those days.

MtnHtr

I like the newer rifles especially the XCR's. The actions are very smooth on mine and accuracy is excellent,Great trigger too.

I like the look of the new CDL. I just can't bring myself to pay that much for one when I can put one of these together with a custom match grade barrel for the same amount of money. And I know it isn't going to need to be "repaired" when I finish with it.

Mule Deer,

I bought a new Wingmaster 20 gauge two years ago as well. It had a problem feeding out of the box. Took it back to the dealer and the problem was in a loose pin in the trigger assembly. Remington promptly sent a new trigger assemble, we swapped them out, and it's worked perfectly ever since. It is easily the equal of the 1964 12 gauge 870 I traded for it, with a far better wood finish and as you said, real checkering. I couldn't at the time justify the purchase price of the Wingmaster without trading. Have been kicking myself since.

The one think I didn't like was the plastic magazine follower. Worked ok, but I don't like plastic parts. I ordered an aluminum follower from Brownells. It does add a touch of class, I think. Buying a "high performance" magazine follower must qualify me as a shotgun loonie I think.

I will someday own another 12, this time a 3" for the occasional need to shoot steel. It too will be a Wingmaster, and you can be darn sure I won't trade the 20 off to get it!

AND DON'T FORGET FRIVOUSLOUS LAW SUITS...........THEY AIN'T HELPING THE GUN COMPANIES OR US A HELL OF A LOT..add to that the pride of workmanship the hired workers no longer have, and the beancounters that have invaded common since and the voice of the buyers...

But all is not lost, you can still buy a Mauser or a pre 64 Win. second hand and have the best of the best.

I for one am very interested in your CNC technology, as well as your chemical vapor deposition technology. Can you point us toward any technical articles on this technology that you have authored? Where did you get your engineering degree?

Those 20ga 870s were sweet! Back in high school, a friend had one. The bluing was a bit worn and the forearm had the vertical grooves instead of checkering but the action was slick as hell and it performed well especially on our dove shoots.

Another great pump shotgun were the Ithaca 37s, a friend had an older one in 20ga which he brought along on some mule deer truck hunts for an occasional grouse. Ithaca was recently started again and they are producing Mod 37s but I don't know the price: The Ithaca Gun Company

MtnHtr

The older 870's action we're smooth as warmed butter!! I grabbed a 870 express expecting the same action, holy cr?p. I almost cra??Ed my pants. How could remington let those leave the factory dors. Finish don't bother me, but that rough action. From what I could tell, Remingtons rifles/shotuns that are higher marked are machined better and fitted a little better, then the cheap lines. I just swapped my dad and gave him my 700 cdl sf for a sps and glock. Man even the bolt felt smoother on the cdl!! It could of been me, but both of us felt the same thing!!

If jimmyp or someone else wants to seek attention by hijacking the thread, I am not going to play along. I will send a PM to see if you are truly interested in a side topic. If you block my PM, like jimmyp, then I know you have no serious interest in the subject.

I remember a friend whose son had an 870 Express and it had jammed up while extracting a live shell. The extractor had somehow slipped off the rim and was bent inward and the pump was stuck solid. Later I read online the Express line was built of stamped parts with faulty tolerances. I'll never buy an Express, and the big green execs who promote that line should be in the unemployment line. The 870 Express would be a horrible shotgun to start a kid out with or for any duty for that matter.

MtnHtr

For an 870, I'd buy an old used one, put an aftermarket finish in matte for use in the field, and enjoy the older quality that made them famous. Rifle shooters yearning for a GOOD 700, or Rem Bolt of any model, look for the older the better.....or re-barrel. FWIW, you can get a custom action for little more than a trued action, put the stock/trigger/barrel of your choice, have a better gun with better resale. A Rem is always a Rem.

Anyone who buys anything, should at least receive a product that does what it's supposed to do. In this scenario, a guy buying a shotgun is not looking for sub moa. Just a gun that functions, goes Bang, Ejects, and loads another, WITHOUT issues.

Any issues, feeding, etc. is NOT acceptable.

Implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose, an implied warranty of merchantability for products,,,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_warranty

Anyone buying anything that does not work as it should and implied to work, should get a refund, or at a minimum have the company stand behind it and fix it.

It's interesting these threads keep coming up on Remington. You don't hear it about Browning, Beretta, Glock, Howa, Colt, Sako, etc. etc.

Could it just be that Remington DOES have QC issues?

I accept the fact that many Rem buyers/owners have ZERO issues.

I also recognize and accept the fact Many others DO have issues.

The fact is both groups are right, but the problem seems to be, that the first group refused to admit, or accept the latter groups experiences.

I have had good, bad, and in-between with Rem, and personally, my dollars don't want to risk them anymore. That's just me.

Why pay for something that's 50-50 going to give you a major headache in something that is a passion for all here? The BEST way for Rem to improve Quality and get back to where they were 25 years ago, is for everyone to boycott them, and make the pain of staying the same, greater than the pain of change.

THEN, and ONLY then, will Rem get back to their roots. I will not be holding my breath guys.

Owners of good, reliable, and accurate Rem guns, enjoy them, as they are great. Owners of not so good ones, send them back until made right, get a refund, or trade them off.

Future buyers of guns.....Caveat emptor

Ahhhh yes, I remember that now!
Thanx for the info., Sir.

Amen

Back in the 1960s, there were Fair Trade Laws, which permitted manufacturers to set retail prices and require dealers to offer certain levels of service.

Major retailers went to court to overturn these laws, so they could undersell individual gun stores and hardware stores. Sears and Montgomery Ward would sell name brand rifles, and their store brands, at cost, as loss leaders to build store traffic.

We all know how that went.

The quarterly report demanded of public companies. It forces management to think in terms of 90 day increments rather than focusing on long term results.

That could be one the funniest posts I've read.

According to the US patent office Clark Bergman, and Gary E Vergason designed and hold the patent for CVD machines. So which one are you???

RH

RH,

That will depend on the day of the week......

I have several Remingtons. My overall experience has been very good. I have 2 870 Express models that have worked fine. The last 700 I bought earlier this year is a 338 that has driven me nuts but I have it shooting great between loads and tweaks on the rifle itself. The only real stinker I have ever gotten from big green is the 597 and it sucks out loud!

The design of the 870, and OLDER 22s and centerfire bolts are sound, not so maybe with their semi-autos, better I am sure with pump rifles.

The Nylon 66 was TOO good, so I heard, now the 597? The Rem authorized repair man in town said he cannot replace parts, only the WHOLE receiver......

I am not sure about the 710, it also looks cheesy.

The 700s would be good again if built with the attention given to the 600/660s, etc. as the newer ones get all the complaints, not the older models.

The lower priced express actions are rough, had a youth 20, funtioned fine, that was 10-12 yrs back. I do hear of 870s having problems now, something you NEVER heard 20-30 yrs ago.

I thoroughly concur! They use to be my favorite rifles but the bean counters ruined them.
The last 4 Sakos/Tikkas and over 12 Savages I have worked with all did Sub-MOA within the first 5 loads or so I put through them. Can not say the same for the 700's including their "top of the Line" custom shop guns....whatever that means. No thanx fellas it is a huge crapshoot.

I honestly have never owned a Remington until two days ago. Don't think I have missed much though. My Weatherby and Ruger bolts and Mossberg pump have treated me fine for years. My wife got me an 870 Express Tuesday night but I won't get to look over it until Christmas.

She is so cruel,"I got you this new gun, but you can't touch it for three months." So now its just sitting in the closet all alone. She did the same thing for my birthday with my Ruger pistol.

In 16 years of marriage my wife has bought me one firearm. You'd think after me getting her multiple rifles and handguns she'd thanfully reciprocate the gesture, but nooooo.

I have two 700CDL's and a new Model 7.
Had new barrels installed on the CDL's but the rest of those two rifles is very good. Great balance. Was shooting one today, and just love that CDL stock.
The model 7 is as received from the factory, in 223, and the accuracy is there, no complaints.
I have no foundation for a complait about Remington rifles. I do have a complaint about Remington ONLY building a LEFT hand CDL in 223; no right hand CDL 223's available. That just doesn't pass the sanity test. I have no complaints about them building left hand rifles, but, why not for right hand shooters too???

I think thats a first.

What in partular is wrong with a new model Remington 700 verse older ones.I realize they bead blast the guns which I kinda like.I have a 223 and a 30/06 with that finsh and they smooth up after a while. The trigger are stiff but I worked in a sporting gun store 35 years ago and the trigger was not that great then.Back in the 1970's Remingtons was not perfect back then.The blueing was not that good and had the handles fall of a number of 788's. Had the exstracter fall out or break on a few but we sold a ton of Remingtons.Great guns and a lot of game are killed ever year with people that don't know better.

They do use a chemical vapor deposition machine which I helped design to apply their "TriNyte" finish to the XCR rifles.


OMG

i think remington would do well to stop jacking prices up, for one thing.

i bought a stainless sps and put a nikon scope on it for $500 4 years ago. same rifle costs $600 WITHOUT scope now.

so...what gives? i know things have gone up. but a stevens 200, weatherby vanguard, and tikka are all the same price they were then.

since when is a cdl worth almost $800?!?!

i can BUILD something with better parts for that amount. what happened to economy of scale?

-Matt

You mean like running away with my rifle upside down and backward
under my arm?You got me there,I better go buy me a old Model 70.

these are prices from my gunsmith.

douglas stainless XX barrel installed: $300
JRS stock: $125
timney trigger: $100 or so
mauser or howa action: $250 or so
drill, tap, etc: $100 or so

just not worth it for me anymore. i buy used remingtons or, more likely, stick with howa and weatherby and mausers.

Remington has never been better or worse.

Still the best value for an American made firearm.

Bottom line is this, when you contacted Remington or your dealer about this faulty shotgun what did they say or do?? Or did you bother to contact them and give them the opertunity to correct things?
Considering that Remington probably sells more rifles and shotguns than the rest of the folks, in America, combined, some lemons are bound to slip thru. Hell, you see Cadillacs being towed in. So what did they say when you called them? If you started the conversation like you started your post in here, I doubt that you got very far but if you acted reasonable maybe they had a solution for you. I'd be interested to know.
As far as someone spending $2500-$3000 for a shotgun to hunt with being a fool, I don't think so. It happens every day. I've hunted with working folks that had that much invested in the rifle they were hunting with. Add it up, put a eurotrash scope on a rifle out of the Remington custom shop and you've got three bigs ones easy. Some folks like nice things and are willing to pay for them.

Even if this page grows to 100 pages, it is still a small statistical sample.
Years ago, craftsmanship was cheap and technology was expensive, today it is the opposite.
Does that mean firearms are produced to a lower quality, perhaps?
Having said that and in full discloser, I have Remingtons and will continue to buy them until a company offers me better value, and value to me might not be the same to you.

Bump for Lee24/Clark Bergman/Gary Vergason...

Hey Lee, you [bleep] liar, post the pic of the .375 while you are at it...

I don't know about prices in other parts. But around here a new CDL Remington is around $200 more than a Ruger Hawkeye or a Tikka in smilar trim (Blue with wood stock). Winchesters I have no idea as no one around here really carries them. Browning as well I have no idea because honestly I've never picked one up to get a price off it.

That's a hard sell for $200 more for a lot of people. New CDL's are getting right up there to prices of other guns such as a NIB Sako 75 ($900) etc....

They are a numbers business, make fast, make cheapest, make it with margin, someone will buy it. Government bulk contracts are the profit makers, consumer products are for consumers, they someone will always 'need it' or 'want it', even the product has issues.

They are in the business to make money. A gun is stamped metal, machined metal, forged metal, wood and plastic, not much in cost there for high volume production but there is profit to be made (make it up in volume). Cut this, cut that, make more faster, ship more faster to distributors, volume equals profit. In the long term, people cost more to have than equipment, cut costs, manufacturer faster, more automation.

Just try calling (if you can find a phone number, try that one on the www.remington.com) any of the major firearms manufacturers to get to a technician. Takes 5 transfers through an automatic phone routing system until you get in the hold/wait line for a tech that is usually not 100% in the know about what you need (simple or complex). That indicates they really don't value what you are calling about. I just did this for Leupold question/repair, Remington parts, Winchester question/parts, and Browning question/parts, all were frustating with limited results.

MikeNZ, you don't seem to know much about how inventions, product development, and product engineering work.

A lot of basic compositions, processes are invented by physicists, chemists, and medical doctors, none of whom ever build anything more than something to prove the concept and maybe get a patent.

From there on, engineers and marketing experts must come up with potential or real customers, and design real, working products using those basic scientific principles, to sell and make money.

Just this week, two American physicists won the Nobel prize in physics for their discoveries and development of the principles of fiber optics, but they didn't develop the products. Likewise, Jack Kilby, inventor of the integrated circuit and pocket calculator, never built anything outside a laboratory; he licensed his ideas to Texas Instruments, Intel, Casio, etc.

Likewise, a company which builds nanotechnology equipment (and hold multiple patents on various plasma vaporization and deposition processes) hired me as a consultant to help develop their current generation of machines. Remington is one customer.

Was this before or after you invented the foreskin?

What exactly did you develop for Remington Lee?

Nobody "designed for Remington" anything, anymore than GM or Ford designed their truck especially for you, other than your ordering some special options you wanted/needed. Remington did not develop this coating for the XCR. It has been around for years, as I have detailed in a prior discussion.

My role was to develop a new generation of controls for all the machines built by this company, including machines yet to be designed. I also designed a test and simulation system which could be configured as a virtual machine, in order to test an debug software for each machine, since many of them are custom built for a very specific application and often a proprietary one, and installed in Europe or Asia. In the process of developing this software and control hardware, I worked on a variety of existing and new machines, and being a mechanical engineer as well, I participated in the mechanical design of new machines, improvements to existing ones and ones on the drawing board. Remington purchased one of those machines.

I believe that. I worked for a large company and everyone had to sign a contract that any "concepts, machines, improvements, adaptations, etc, etc," that we came up with belonged to the company. And I was in customer service. Well, duh.

Well sheet,

why didn't you say so? Reminds me of the time last year that I test drove the yet to be designed BMW nuclear 7 Series and recommended fixes for problems they hadn't thought of yet.............

Badger,
It sounds like that new 760iL goes like it has a nuclear powerplant under the hood!

So Lee, was your title: "Consulting Sanitation Engineer"

This Lee person gives us real engineers a bad name.

Please. Its rude to mock.
In essence, what Lee24 is telling us is that one, his wife drives him crazy. Two, he can make oatmeal, too. And three.

All this tacky [bleep] aside, has Pdog Shooter ever contacted Remington or the dealer about his screwed up gun?? and if he did, what did they do?
You guys are ruthless.

No, I did not contact Remington.

It was easier and quicker to fix the damned thing myself.

Something I find myself doing often these days.

I don't care what people say about the 710...I am extremely happy with the one I purchased. Picked it up off a guy I worked with, who had many pics to prove it was a killer. Got it, 3/4 of a box of Win Supreme Ballistic Silvertips and a case for under $200. One HELL of a deal IMHO.

I think the problem is that too many people are trying to compare it to the 700. Thats not what it was made for. It was designed to allow people to get into shooting and hunting without spending an arm and leg to get started.

I took mine and did this to it:




Not bad for hand cut stencils and spray bombs Plus a little creativity hehe

BTW, I don't feel like reading through 8 pages to see if this is covered...but.

Anyone have a solution for the new Remington 870 Express SuperMags not grabbing shells out of the chamber when you shuck the action?

I picked up a box of winchester steel target loads (like $5 a box at walmart) to break this gun in with out in the woods. About 1 or 2 out of every 5 shells will not eject easily, you really have to shuck the action to yank it out.

Ive read around online that people are having this issue, but no one can seem to give me a straight answer on how to combat it. OR if its normal for a new gun to do this until it gets broken in. It is my first 870.

The last NIB current 700 offerings I've played with,did like they've always done,after some modest bedding,trigger tweak and fed ammo in it's accords.

The scatterguns have really suffered though..................

You would have gotten along with Swampman700 very nicely..

Can't know him..............

Not worth it except for chuckles.. He was good at providing that.

Those sorts do abound..............

Swampman710 quotes: "Good rifles don't need to bedded", "I have never seen a Remington 700 that needed the trigger adjusted", and my favorite "The Bushnell Banner is better than any Leupold" He was fun for awhile!

She sounds entertaining,for certain.............

The common denominator with her and Lee was neither could be insulted enough to leave.

Isn't that the friggin' truth!

I wonder if Lee24 aint a guy I work with we got an instructor at the school I teach at he is a engineer,taxidermist,professional fisherman,lure designer,fishing, rod designer,machinist,master plumber,electrician, heavy equipment operator,ace mechanic,collision repair man,inveted the compressed natural gas engine and hydrogen fuel cell,and has killed so many deer that scored over 140 he does not even hunt any longer. i think he tells so many lies he believes his self

at the least, a family member

None of you are engineers. The engineers on this forum with whom I have corresponded understand what I say, and often back it up. Of course, you don't understand them, either.

More claims, without proof.

Par for the [bleep]' course.................

I was an Engineer once...my uncle, under his watchful eye, let me drive the train for over a half mile....
maybe that's what he talking about??

I may not be a practicing engineer but hold a Bach of Science in Aerospace Engineering. I know enough to spot wikipedia inspired knowledge. So these "engineers" with whom you converse, did they get their expertise from wiki too?

RH

Those "engineers" with whom he claims to converse, are just as specious as the credentials he claims to have.

Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from Montana State University 1995 here.
Since that time I work for a specialty chemical manufacturer developing and applying a variety of surfactants and other agents to a variety of food processing as well as mining and oil field operations.

I don't claim to be the "end all to be all" in the field of engineering,Lee- but I do know a bullshitter when I see one.

Lee, I am less than 6 months away from having my Bachelor's of Science in Civil Engineering, and with luck on Saturday after an 8 hour FE exam, I will have my EIT certificate. You, from what I have gathered, have absolutely no real engineering experience. The things you talk about often go against the most basic physical principles. I am far from being the brightest engineer in the world, though it easy to deduce from your posts you have no idea what you're talking about.

In short, you are full of schit. I'd appreciate it if you quit making all the other "real" engineers here and elsewhere look bad. Making bold claims that you are an engineer, when in fact you're not, could bring about more than just being ridiculed on this board.

I'd love to see a copy of either your EIT certificate, or your PE license. Considering your self proclaimed intelligence, my guess is you didn't even bother wasting your time with an FE exam and took the PE test right out of college....

I would be highly suprised if a single individual on this forum that has recieved a BS in engineering from an acredited university, or a licensed PE on this forum would back up anything that you've said.

I'd say the 17 years working as an engineer since I recieved my BSME is enough to ascertain that you are completely fullashit, and that's a professional opinion.

After practicing engineering for 40 odd years, my observation is that EFFECTIVE engineers (just like folks in any other profession) do not have the overwhelming need to try to impress others.

458Lott, if you are a mechanical engineer, why don't you stop the childish profanity and try to explain where you disagree with me about something technical. I just posted a detailed explanation of how I designed the control software for a CNC machine in another thread, and explained fatigue in actions in this one. Did you see something there with which you disagree?

Could it be that you have never designed a machine as complex as a plasma vapor deposition chamber, and it is entirely outside your realm of knowledge. That's fine. So your experience is in something else, maybe something very narrow and deep.

southtexas, I certainly have no need to try to impress any of the rude punks who haunt these forums. When I offer an opinion or explanation, and someone wants to know why I hold that opinion, or how do I know something, I don't mind telling them my direct experience in that area.

Not an Engineer by education, but that is the title I have held in various capacities for the last 5 years or so(process engineer in the pharmaceutical industry, with steam sterilization my field of 'expertise'). I know a couple of guys who hold PE liscense and have never had any 'formal' engineering education, and can tell you that Lee ain't one of em. What he really means when he says he helped develop something is that he helped either drill some holes in the machine or they let him tighten a few bolts with adult supervision. You know, he 'helped' to develop it.

As to the PLC stuff, what kind of controllers and plcs did you use? what logic? what kind of control sensors did you use to control the amount of product deposited on the piece being treated? How did you determine the amount of vapor present in the chamber and rate of deposit? What sort of permisisves did you use? 12v,24v or 120v?

hold tight, he is consulting with wiki.

I have known several people in the process engineering field that though they had no, or very little formal education, were highly skilled and very intelligent.
In other words, there are some fine engineers out there that don't hold formal degrees in any engineering field.

Now that is a good post!

I gave an example of that very thing, recently in the thread that was supposed to be on cutting wood for gunstocks, about a mechanic I knew who held over 50 patents. That doesn't make him an engineer. He is a talented, knowledgeable, and clever designer, just like John Browning was.

Neither does Microsoft issuing a certificate for a week's training on setting up networks make those technicians "engineers", either. There is real and very big difference between a computer programmer and a true software engineer, too.

To engineer something, you have to be able to explain the physics or chemistry of how something works. There are degreed engineers who can do that, but cannot innovate, make major improvements, much less figure out how to do something totally new.

You Engineer lies and hot air,in no particular order................

It doesn't bother me to be yelled at by those who are unfit to evaluate anything technical. Save your breath, and electrons.

Facts require little in the way of decibels and typically,sign language can convey much with 100% accuracy.

You are welcome to your Fantasy World,just don't refrain Posting about same......................

So whisper some facts for a change of pace, cracker.

Good grief, give it a rest, Lee.

You are totally 100% full of schit,as per always...which is a longterm fact well beyond dispute.

Even with the volume off................

You're right... I should just leave the technically frustrated thread disrupters alone.

You can usually tell who the people are who don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground because once they're caught...they continue to reply and respond to every accusation as if trying to dig themselves out of the hole they're in.

The people who are smart and who have done what they have claimed...have no reason to defend themselves.

Stupid is the gift that keeps on giving and she very nearly takes the cake..................

Seriously Lee, I would really like to hear about the PLC and controls system you designed. It seems to be rather complex and should be an intersting system to look at. The Logic and control subsets for that would be rather cool to look at. Kinda an area I know a a little about.

340, I spent a total of 14 years in the Pharma field so far, and have to say that most of the formally educated engineers I see now could not design a paper bag and have it work correctly. My degree field was marine biology, and I also have a AAS in Marine Technology. Heck of a trip from fish to drugs. I think all the new edumicated fools coming out of our schools of higher learning and such are not only what has ruined Remington but about the country.

bry,
I agree that some engineers seem to be well, 'challenged' when it comes to actually designing things.
It is like any field- you have people that excel, those that are average, and some that make you wonder how they tie their shoes in the morning!
Also, being a degreed engineer doesn't make you any better than the next guy-I have met too many engineers that think they are pretty darn special-which is bullshit in my opinion.

OK, off my soapbox now.

lee24,

yep!



however, if you make a statement you should own up to it:





(sorry to interrupt, guys - he's just so 'magnetic'!)

Like I would spend my time and money to fly across the country to shoot against someone who doesn't even rate having their scores posted in the official match reports.

BRguy, I described a real time operating system I developed for one seriously correspondent in the walnut tree thread. It was for the control of 3, 4 and 5 axis CNC machines, and robotic vision and assembly manufacturing cells.

Haven't done a PLC system in a while, but I have designed and integrated the tiered PLCs for two automobile manufacturing lines, which is over 2,000 PLCs working in concert.

But let's stick to this thread topic. I describe above the controls and simulation system I designed and developed for the PVD machinery.

Per www.dictionary.com

Liar

Noun - a person who tells lies

Synonyms - falsifier, perjurer, prevaricator

Jeff

lee24,

it was you that originally offered if i found a tournament, which i did. i have even offered to travel your direction in an attempt to make this happen. now if your concerned that i 'don't rate', i've offered to share with you my results if you'll do the same. so far - silence!

(regarding match reports - maybe you're not looking in the right place or time.....)

frequent flyer miles!

So is this where you explained what you did? Sounds like a whole lot of very vague and general information. What kind of new control system was it? What kind of sensors did you use? Did you use lasers as the particle sensor to determine particle droplet size and concentration? What did you use to determine the thickness of the deposition on the piece being treated ulrtasonic or magnetic resonances to determine thickness? What did you use to control the whole system, PLCs or towers? If you used towers, how large was the program you wrote? I am not asking for trade secrets( if it is a patened system, then there is no trade secret on it anyway). what sort of variables can you change on the virtual machine to simulate issues and assist in trouble shooting both the equipment and the process itself? Come on man, it seems to be a very interesting system, dazzle me.

Actually I do know a bit about plasma vapor deposition as I worked as a process and equipment engineer for five years producing disks for hard drives. I'd be quite interested in hearing some details of the system you designed. I also worked a wee bit with plc controls. So your claims are far from entirely outside my realm of knowledge.

lee24,

how's this work for you?

for that tournament in arizona in december: i buy you the plane ticket, you fly out saturday, we shoot sunday, and you fly back sunday pm. i'll provide the rifle & ammo for you. can't make it much more convenient. of course if you'd rather, we can find something on your side of the country (as i said previously, butner or quantico). whichever you agree to, just be sure to bring your south carolina .375h&h!

And that is precisely where you fail, Lee. I'm not a Mech E, though I was headed that way before I switched to Civil. I admittedly don't know much about circuits or thermodynamics, though I can probably call BS when it comes to physics, statics, mechanics, and material properties. The fact you tried to claim that Glocks use "jet propulsion forces" to function properly told me that you have not a clue what is going on.

Civil Engineering sucks.

Scorpion, I have done a bit of civil engineering, too.

I designed and built lakes and 25-foot steel bridge and 40-foot concrete bridge across the overflow weirs of the dams, before I was 14 years old. My father was not an engineer, but he let us do whatever we were capable of doing on the farms. Later, for a graduate course in civil engineering, I engineered the largest one again, including all the soil analysis and run off calculations, just to match up to our historical records.

Since then, I have engineered 6 buildings over 10 stories tall and one over 20 stories, and supervised construction on them - site, utilities, electrical, fire, HVAC, structural modifications, plumbing, all of it.

I have engineered large civil sites up to 280 acres paved, including roads, drainage, water, sewer, and electrical duct banks.

If you don't understand machine design and high speed dynamics, don't comment on my explanations.

I almost pissed myself.



Leggo's don't count.

Hardy har har, tzone. If reading anything mildly technical makes you "p---- yourself", then go look at some girly pix posted by the other teens on this web site.

By tomorrow, a couple more of you who haven't a clue about PVD or anything else related to Remington will have posted more stupid grafitti.

No it's not that....

just that some us REAL engineers really do design things, but we don't need to brag about it on the internet. It shows up on our paychecks.

Does anybody but you really buy the bullschit your selling?

i invented boobs.

Lee24
Just out of curiousity, how old are you?

Northern Dave
Nice design- Would appreciate some top views and side views (Just for scientific puposes, of course)

pssst, lee24, how 'bout it? let's shoot!!

we can even do smallbore rifle (i can provide you a rifle & ammo for that, too!) or pistol (i'll use one of yours, ok? if not, i can borrow from friends). i'm not sure how to make it any easier, bro'!

ND,

I think they're a bit over engineered. Kind of like the F-4 Phantom...Looks good sitting still, even better when moving and you can see them coming from a long way off!

RH

Nothing wrong with a GOOD set of screw-ons...

thank you.

I'm kind of proud of that project.

I had to create time travel first so I could go back in time & work with god to correct his original cube shaped design.

You are all very welcome.

You silly teen.

BTW, hell of an invention.

guilty

that's what lee 24 called us...

because this is such a serious place and all.

The wiki knowledge is strong with this one.

Lee, I wasn't commenting on your machine design. I made a direct reference to you in a thread on the handgun forum saying that Glock handguns use 'jet propulsion forces', which is a line of bull.

Also, your entire above quoted post must make you easily the most talented engineer in the world. It would be somewhat believable to me if you only claimed to be one type of engineer. The fact you claim to be an expert mechanical engineer, along with being an ace civil engineer (before you could even drive a car), makes me throw up the BS flag. There is no way that a 14 year old could actually design and build a steel or concrete bridge of that size, properly.

With the talent you clearly must have, I am sure a man of your caliber has received numerous awards from professional organizations. Pray, do tell, Lee. I'd love for you go into a few details about all of your concrete designs, as well as highway designs. What roads did you design and build? State DOTs keep records of these things, and it would be quite easy to find out IF you actually did design a certain road/highway.

What about buildings? If you have "engineered" 7+ buildings, Lee, you HAVE to have a PE License. What state are you registered with and what is your license number? That would be the easy way to validate your claims. It's a simple matter to check with whatever state you claim to be licensed in.

yes I know, it was as if I was summoned to a thread I was otherwise uninterested in.

Ain't that the truth

You know lee, I have pic of nearly every project I've been involved in, but instead of boring someone such as your self with silly little billion dollar DOT projects, lets see some of yours.

NO.
That doesn't seem to keep him from piling it all the thicker,however.

Scorpion,
well said.

He has quite an impressive resume to say the least. Not sure if there is anything he hasn't done regardless of the field.

and still finds time to "invent" and design coatings for Remington.

Thanks, 340boy. I just can't take Lee's lies anymore.

tzone, the only boring thing about DOT projects is following the paver for miles and miles and miles.

Pretty humble that he still helps out the little guys

I know a little about engineering I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Sorry guys but Dave's Boob design wins! He out engineered everybody!

you are right, sometimes the simple designs are the best

I do like paving in late Oct, early Nov. when it keeps your feet warm.

My favorite part is taking nuc densities for weeks on end. Nothing like hurring up and waiting.

I'd rather do that though than sit in an ofice for the next 5 years like I'll be doing.

'tis better on the really hot days and really cold days.

Back to Northern Dave's project...

Certainly an elegant design, that.
Good finish work, also...

can't wait 'til he pulls that cover off to un-veil the finished product.

I hear you there. We had a very cold summer this year, and I worked on a project that was nights only. When it got down to 50 degrees it made it nice standing by 300 degree asphalt.

No doubt!
I just need tickets to front row seats for the big event.

bunch of children the whole lott of you....

And your point is???? Good thing Ingwe is on that "Cougar Cruise" or he'd be all over your inventions!

Didn't Lee turn Lott's wife into salt? That's engineering I tell ya!

i don't own a single centerfire remington. I don't think..... nope, not one.

that's completely without reason by the way.

I will remedy that some day

There aren't many engineers I admire, but Dave, you deserve an award

thank you, and i'm not lieing about that invention at all.

Even if you were lieing, I'd still respect you.

ok good, cause i can't hold up much longer....

I used to be a big Remington guy but I bought two Remingtons both SPS's and they did not shoot well at all.

I'd be seriously suprised,were it not Operator induced.................

Well. Ingwe is back now, and taking exception to NDs remark about us all being children ( though Lee24 equated me with a 15 year old on another thread...I was crushed...)

I don't know why ND would say such a thing...after all it really wasn't me that posted all that junk during his elk hunt...it was a Hacker.....

And yes, maybe I AM inordinately interested in seeing the boob he invented....

But meanwhile, we can't steal Lee24s thunder..




Ingwe

Welcome back! How were the Cougars?

No cougars on this trip..it was K9....
A couple of " Maligators" were there, but no cougars...
Ingwe

Oh well the cougars went to the dogs

When you are as old as me...

The cougars ARE dogs....

Ingwe

I hate to nitpick, but couldn't you have designed them to be more robust to the rigors of gravity? and while the danger of eye poking is reduced from the previous cubic design, I believe that the hazard still exists. Off to research the matter...

Hey man, lee invented gravity like 3 days after i invented boobs. go figure....

Not callin' you a fibber or anything ND..

But gravity is something that can actually be verified..

Therefore Lee prolly had nothing to do with it....

Ingwe

Holy fuggin' schit.........................

The hits, just keep coming.

You will NEVER get a direct answer to those questions.

Because, as with everything else he posts, it is complete, and utter, bullschit.

Did you wet your pants again?

I work with lots of engineers who have done a lot more than I have in various areas, because their career is concentrated in one area of one field, like high rise building construction, or airports.

I hate to think how badly you would soil yourselves if you read their resumes.

Sean...this one's for you!



Ingwe

VA,
That about sums it up, agreed.

The only way I'd soil myself is if you could show us some of these "buildings" you designed.

What is you PE number? What state? It's public record, so you should have no trouble showing us right?

Correct me if I am wrong, but has Lee ever shown ANY kind of evidence in support of his outlandish claims??

Nope.

My detailed descriptions of my work are understood by many people here, and we discuss the technical details further.

Your inability to join the discussion is not our fault. Try another topic on your level.

Nimrod, do you have a law license?
Did you ever have one?

You certainly don't know the law regarding engineering.
In fact, none of the above posts exhibit even a basic understanding of the practice of engineering. No surprise there. Yet they insult someone for posting details of how the XCR coating process was engineered, which they understand not one word.

lee24,

one could say the same for you! a response would be appreciated:





so what do you think???????????????????????

come on lee, let's shoot! it aint about winning - i just gots to meet the campfire legend.

I think you could direct us to your match scores and rankings on the Internet, if you actually compete. Then, anyone could compare their scores to yours.

If I were going to take time to compete, and fly somewhere compete, it would be at the national level, not a local gun club.

lee24,

what level of competition do you think the arizona long range matches are?

and if i came your direction it would be for a recognized tournament at quantico or butner or your choice. now you just prove that if you would agree, you would ultimately back out, so why bother!

you are certainly golden! as an engineer you will realize i'm refering to specific gravity, not value!! (19 times denser than water)

lee24,

i could, but it aint about me - i haven't made boasts of my abilities, you have! you challenged me to a shoot - now you just want to surf the web, huh?

party on, dude!

Of course, he could do the same, if he'd actually done anything he claimed. But, he hasn't, so he can't, and he won't.

Still waiting...nice way to skirt the question. Your Bullshitt baffles no one.

[quote] Nimrod, do you have a law license?
Did you ever have one?

You certainly don't know the law regarding engineering.
quote]

You can spout bs from all the books you read... or you can prove what you say is true, which it ain't.

If you want to discuss engineering, why don't you do it?
What is your experience designing machinery or large buildings, or ponds and small bridges? Or anything?

If you have no credentials, don't pretend you can judge mine, or anyone else's.

lee24,

i know this wasn't directed at me, but:

i took a leak in the woods, made a puddle.
puddle = pond.
there's my engineering credentials,
where's yours???

I have them. I went to school and got them. Still avoiding the question...

I imagine we'll see the PE # about the time the 375 pic shows up.

Instead of always talking about how you COULD discuss this topic or that topic, how about doing it?

We've heard all your childish graffiti before.

Still avoiding it.....

lee24,

look in the mirror! the same applies to you!!!!!!

Wasn't saying how I could, just waiting for you to at least show us a pic of one of your designs....surely you have ONE somewhere.

Lee is entertaining, if nothing else.

I think I found his picture

careful, he might own up to this (it's in his picture collection):

[img]http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/...w&current=Bombsight.jpg&newest=1[/img]

Uhm,Lee maybe you need to check the law about a PE liscense. The only way you can do any type of engineering work(at least in NC and several other surounding states, but maybe not in dream land) is either to posses the PE liscense yourself or to work under anothers liscense. I really would like to hear a lot more about the system you designed. Just take a few minutes and answer the very basic questions I asked earlier in this post and I'll be happy that you are indeed as talented as you claim to be.

Okay, wmeek, you posted a link to a photo I took with my camera, of WWII bomb sight. What's your point? Are you claiming it is your photo or something equally as bogus?

bryguy, I did, in fact engineer a condominium in NC on the ocean, for a NC engineering firm which bid and won more work than they could do. I did 99% of all the engineering on that job. The engineer in charge met with me with the architect and the contractors bidding on it.

Show us a picture...I'm sure it's beautiful being on the ocean and all.

I'm still trying to figure out how a civil engineer "engineered" a building.

What state is you PE liscense in?

He invented photobucket...then engineered the software.

lee24,

i'm not claiming at all. at least you did own up to this as yours. just afraid you might profess inventing it! now how 'bout answering some of the other questions you are being asked?

You don't understand the answers so far.
Why do you keep asking more?
Why don't you point us to your scores on a national shooting match web site?

I'd love to hear your technical knowledge of designing concrete structures, and any roads or buildings you have done.

If you claim to have done "99% of the engineering" on a condo in NC, you've got to have a PE. Once again, what is your license number and the state you are registered in? If you are such a great engineer, you should be at least willing to put up your PE license number so that it can be verified?

Lee, you are full of schit, and know nothing about civil engineering. Simple as that.

Sounds like he'd have to be an engineer in SC and/or NC, and those numbers are available to the public.

Well, at least for legitimate engineers. Which, again, would likely not include Liar24...................

tzone, you don't know anything about civil, mechanical, electrical or any other engineering.

Civil engineers do most of the structural engineering on large buildings. Mechanical engineers usually do the rest, because their education is the broadest, covering civil, electrical, mechanical and some chemical engineering.

lee24,

1. what answers?
2. 'cause you aint answered anybody!
3. my scores aint the issue, yours are!

lee24,

you're the one that claims to be good, not me!!!!

Hey..............

Look, here's Liar24 (nice catfish, btw):



Caption to the other pic says he caught it on a night crawler while fishin' with the kids.

BTW - after I downloaded and saved this pic, I did the same to the other albums he had up. Funny, I never did see any Winchester M70 rollstamped "Made in Columbia, SC". But, I did see an album markd SCMD (museum trip) with some pics he tried to pawn off as not being from there in some earlier threads.

I wonder how long until someone on here recognizes the illustrious Liar24, and laughs their ass off when they see his claims to fame?

Once again proving how little you know.

LMAO!


Please show me how litle I know about civil engineering....PLEASE! LMMFAO.

I've never put anyone on ignore, and I'm close now...but this is too much entertainment.

Funny, he don't look like he drinks Corona with a table full of beautiful women...................................

The only common coursework betwixt ME and ChE (not including calculus and physics) is general chemistry and 1st semester thermodynamics and perhaps introductory fluid mechanics.
No unit operations, no industrial stoichiometry(the main basis for ChE) no solution thermodynamics and no reaction kinetics,organic chemistry, physical chemistry, etc.

As far as EE and ME goes, there is even less in common, that being sophomore level introductory electrical circuits...
Weak, Lee, very weak.

Common, does he LOOK like he went to all those schools and courses, got all those degrees, and did all that crap he claims?

Lee, that's a big ass catfish you got there. How much did that go approximately?

Agreed,VA.
I just couldn't resist, especially when he brought my field into the mix...

A striking resemblance. Perhaps a childhood pic?

I'm still waiting for ONE pic of his "engineered" projects.

Would love to hear it Liar24. I now have REAL LIVE engineers around my desk awaiting your replies.

Doolittle's Raiders reunion, in Columbia, SC recently.

Another pic, of exactly that, from Liar24's account:



Given the fish pic from the Wateree, and his LeeinSC24 moniker, the turd's a sandlapper. Likely living in the greater Columbia, SC area.

Someone down there is going to get a side-splitting laugh out of this one.........................

I know nothering about engineering or the like, but don't you need to be licensed in every state you do work in or is this something that you can work under another's license on large scale projects where many others are involved.

We sure are here.

Still waiting Lee.

If you read the thread where you stole the photo of that catfish, you would see that I did not catch it, unfortunately. I just took the photo for the man who did.

If I told you the length or weight, a bunch of you that never caught one 1/4 that size would be screaming, "liar!" and wetting yourselves again.

You're slipping, Liar24.

My required undergraduate courses in Mechanical Engineering included 2 semesters of Thermodynamics, and 2 of Heat Transfer, with ChE majors in the classes. ME and ChE students took the same course in Design of Pressure Vessels. ChE students take statics, too, because they have to understand the structural part of the large process machinery they are designing, which has a lot of weight.

In addition to the 2 required semesters of Chemistry for a BSME, I took two semesters of Organic Chemistry. I know enough to be able to model chemical processes and design the computer control systems for things like combustion, steam turbines, gas turbines, chemical refining, polymerization, and pollution controls.

Where was this?

Keep showing us how retared you are.

I see you're a fan of Wiki or Google too, eh?

Ah yes, tell us about some of your 'expertise' in polymerization and organic chemistry, Lee.
Google not allowed...

How about control systems you designed for these chemical processes you designed?
Names of the companies in question?

I've already talked more engineering than any of you understand.
That's why you are all talking trash.
Maybe I need to post some more 7 to 10-lb bass photos.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthread...09077/ATTN_South_Carolinians#Post3409077

OMG this thread is going to blow away the 7mm-08 vs 308 thread by a longshot. It's like the Energizer rabbit

You are a fraud,Lee as well as a liar.
Been fun playing, however.

How about some more info on that 10 pound rainbow that was hooked in 300 feet of water, in a lake along the Blue Ridge..............................

That, might trump everything.

Lee, quit evading the question.

Only play he's got.

Though, you have to admit, for a fat man, he's slippery and quick.

Nope, seen plenty tiny bass...Let's see some of your engineering marvels.

Just One pic lee. that's it.

must be trying to google some "ocean condo's"

Yep. He very could have a PhD in escape & evasion.

And to continue that even further, the only correlation between ME and CE is basic statics, mechanics, and dynamics. No ME programs that I know of teach structural design, especially not with concrete. And they sure as hell don't teach hydrology, water resources, or geotechnical classes either. The closest that ME courses get to building/structure design would maybe be HVAC or plumbing design, and those are usually graduate level courses.

I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, and am a licensed Civil and Structural Engineer here in Cali. Anxiously awaiting Lee's replies to the previous statements.

You normally register in the state you live in, and it is often honored by other states as well. Sometimes you must pay additional administrative fees to receive another states license, and some states like CA may make you take an additional exam. I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

Well, I hate to say it, but after a little research on Google I found a picture of Lee working on the lake he designed and built on his family farm. Thinking this is more proof than anything we have seen from Lee so far.

To all,
My above post was in error.
EE's do take statics and dynamics-which are also required for ME majors.

Scorpion, if you read the posts before responding, you would see that I took a graduate course in building dams, weirs, open channel drainage systems, etc, and also a course in reinforced concrete design, because I have always done construction engineering and site project management periodically over my career. If I get a chance, I intend to take a nuclear course - always trying to learn more about fields where I have worked, and may work again.

Now, if any of you want to discuss Remington, or YOUR engineering projects related to Remington, go ahead.

And, Liar24, your PE number is what again? And, in what state?

You're slipping, Liar24..........................................

Fixed it.

I don't think you have the necessary clearance for me to discuss any of my engineering projects. Further, I don't think that you're qualified enough to analyze what I've done. TZone and Scorpion, though, have been sent some of my material to review and discuss.

George

Ah, right you are. I sit corrected.

Excellent!

Would you believe at this very moment I'm sitting in a graduate level Open Channel Hydraulics class. Please enlighten me on your knowledge of floodway encroachment analysis. What software have you used to do your stream schematics and water surface elevation calculations?

While you are at it, please tell me a bit about your reinforced concrete knowledge? Here are two simple questions.

1) What is the most common value for phi in the equation (phi)*Mn = Mu?

2) In the equation a=(beta)*c, what is the typical value for beta?

Those should be gimmes, for a guy with your credentials.

Scorpion,
I wonder if Lee can Google/Wiki his way out of your last post?

He very well could if his Google-fu is strong enough!

Those should be EASY

You know, the fat man has amazing dexterity and strength of Google-Fu. That, you have to give him. Right along with his slipperiness and evasion of direct questions.

Near legendary.

The only thing that trumps it, is his complete lack of veracity.

Now Scorpion wants me to help him on his school work.

Answer: I wrote most of my own hydraulics, soil run off, and FMEA software, long before there were PCs capable of running such.

I charge over $200 an hour, insect.
Fluid Dynamics in Open and Closed Systems was an undergraduate course for me.
Good luck, scorp!
Hint: use Bernoulli's Equation

In other words, he hasn't a clue, and Google-Fu won't bail him out.

I can tell you I wouldn't be wetting myself, I was just impressed with it's size. What kind of Cat is that anyway. I caught cat's , but no where near that size. Was that a Wateree catfish?

You aren't even capable of answering a direct, to the point question, are you, Lee?
You are pathetic.

Channel cat, caught on a night crawler at the bank, 14-lb line on an Abu 5500.

Wateree, by the picture caption, and it looks to be a blue, maybe a channel cat. Probably about 35-40 pounds.

Help with my homework? Please.

The fact that you miserably failed the first part of that post, is no surprise. The fact you dodged the two simple questions at the end, show you have not a CLUE when it comes to reinforced concrete design.

I'm sure you've done work for the Army Corps, what software is it that they use for the majority of their river analysis software? That right there, should give you a big enough hint. And no, Bernoulli's equation wasn't what I was looking for either.

I'll give you a little help with those two little "gimme" questions in my previous post.

1) Give me a value for phi between 0.825 and 0.935

2) Give me a value for beta between 0.73 and 0.87

In Lee's world that is 100 pounder or it ain't an ounce!

Seeing as how the world record is under 60 pounds...

I have a hunch ol Lee would find some way to claim otherwise!

I have never encountered a guy on the net that was as full of schit as Lee24.
The guy has no shame or backbone whatsoever.

He engineered the record books!

Ingwe

Tell me about some of your reinfroced conc. design. I'd love to hear about it Lee. I don't mean the Wiki bullshitt you've been writing about.

Tell me about some the admixtures you've use. I want to hear the type and brand of steel, where you got it from. Since there are only about 2 places in the US that we use, you should be able to come up with it pretty quick.

Do you use superplasti's, retarders, fiber,? What temps and cure times are you finding give you the best strenghs on your breaks?

Since I do this for a living, I'm always will to listen to someone with a lot more experience, such as yourself, to improve my desing and construction. and Please Lee, don't tell me about [bleep] you've read about. I can do that too. tell me about the things you've seen that worked in the field.

oh yeah...if you can find it, throw up a pic of the highrise on the ocean....I'm still waiting to see it. I'm sure it is a beautiful place.

Good looking stuff George. I like what you've done with the voids, so we can improve on a more consistant compaction at lower temps. It really creates a smoother surcface, even with the bigger aggreate.

Continuing to prove you're retarded.

You invented FEMA. You sir...are a [bleep].

That and a pic of that SC made 375 H&H.

I also wouldn't mind hearing about Lees 'expertise' in polymer production-things like polymerization of long-chain polyols and co-block polyols from ethylene oxide and/or propylene oxide.

Have I ever told any of you about the reinforced concrete, deer hunting bunker I designed and paid my friends at NASA to build on the dark side of the moon? They owed me one, I'd like to tell you why, but do to certain security issues....

Corelokt,
Lee can outdo that, I am sure!
(rolls eyes)


BTW, your avatar is sweet!!

Scorp, it's interesting that you are taking a course, but have you every actually designed and built a concrete structure?

The ones that impress me are the one-of-a-kinds, like stadium second decks, large bridge supports, and curved roofs. Those require not just engineering book knowledge, but enough experience to have a feel for what will work and will not work.

What would impress me is if you answered a question you were asked instead of asking questions

Someone with your experience, should be have all the answers....yet we haven't heard one answer to a question asked of you.



We know you sure as hell haven't.

Continuing to prove you're socially retarded.

I doubt it. I failed to mention the ceramic coating. In order to cure it we had to turn the moon to face the sun and position just the correct distance from the Hubble space telescopes parabolic mirrors to get the temperature correct. That wasn't the hardest part though. The hardest part was keeping Lee24 from going up there in his self designed, hybrid shuttle and signing his name in the fresh concrete.
The down side to all this was the global warming effects and the Tsunami we caused, you can use the Tsunami as proof that what I'm saying is fact, despite the governent shredding all documents and brainwashing all those involved. I've been in hiding to prevent them from finding me. Gotta go, someones at the door...

he invented ceramic coating, and designed the application process.

Of course he did!
At least, when he wasn't busy being a national-level Palma shooter or taking graduate courses in law or out deer hunting with his variety of different loads that shoot to different points of impact that he can exchange as the ranges vary.

Corelokt,
You rule!

Stated as Tim bows before Corelokt and chants "I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy!!"

Well, that would explain why he kept yelling "But it's mine! I made this!" I was surprised he could yell in space, until I found out he had designed a propitiatory means of doing so intended to be used in the star wars programs special black ops.

If you search Yahoo or Google for "titanium nitride" you will see several companies doing the coating process, and several explanations of PVD and the chemistry.

If you couldn't understand my explanation of my machinery, try reading theirs.

No, tzone, I didn't claim to "invent" Finite Element Analysis.
I have been writing programs to do it for vibration, structural deformation, wind loading, and heat transfer, since 1979 beginning in FORTRAN.

Since you don't seem to know much about that stuff, being too young to remember, there were no personal computers in 1979, except a few running CP/M on the 8-bit Z80 with 64K of RAM and a 320K floppy drive. They could not perform a 3D Gaussian relaxation on 200 nodes, which is a rather trivial FEA problem.

My most recent M700's are both shooters... A big heavy M700P in .223, and a Sendero in .300 WM.

HOWEVER, the throat on the 300 WM is waaaaaay out there, and it had/has a burr at the chamber mouth that has caused me much frustration. And it's a brass-eating SOB; splits case necks after just a few reloads. That could be my die set also; I have not done the work to determine the cause of that. My intent is to shoot out this barrel ASAP and re-tube, so I've just been annealing cases rather than getting torqued over it...

But again- both of them SHOOT. And generally speaking the machining is good on them.

Lee24, if you did indeed contribute to the XCR coating process, good on ye. My XCR has seen some real weather and the coating really does work.

I got involved in 'puters around '82. Well I remember 8-bit CP/M machines and Fortran and Pascal... Then C (C+) came along and took over... then about when I stopped programming was when the "meta language" compilers were taking over... Nowadays there's so much code between the programmer and machine language that it's amazing the whole shebang works!

Back to the pissing match, I'm outa here!

All that code in between the Windows applications and firmware is mostly sloppy fat, due to cheap memory and hurried designs. Most people don't realize that Microsoft has a FORTRAN compiler, which they bought during their lawsuit settlements with other operating system vendors they had harmed.

Titanium nitride naturally tends to have a golden hue to its silver finish. Remington XCR rifles had that at first. Now, they have it dialed in to look like stainless steel on the old BDL SS.

These finishes can be processed to make them dark grey, a charcoal.
Remington is offering that in a few tactical models now for law enforcement. I talked to them this week, and they are not revealing any plans to offer it in the hunting XCR rifles. I would like to see a charcoal nitride finish on a 4140 chrome moly action and barrel, with the stainless bolt and trigger.

I'm an industrial coater with EDC & TGICP powder application practices on both ferrous & non ferrous metals as of late.

Previous I existed in more of a liquids coatings environment mostly using conventional methods applying 2K automotive urethanes to various plastics & composites.

I actually did help the coatings world in general with a breakthrough concept & idea some years ago that is still being practiced today.

My concept allowed an existing ink sublimation decorating process to work with softer plastics such as TPO. Around 10 years ago I developed a host primer to accept the sublimation inks & endure the heat process above what the substrate itself was capable of remaining stable at.

blah, blah, blah, yawn, so on & so forth...

I currently deal primarily with powder coating or ferrous metals. My pretreatment equipment is a conventional "5 stage" automated unit built around my production application seed of 8ft per minute. My 5 zones of pretreatment are 60 seconds, 30 seconds, 60, 30 & 30. I find that with today's steel industry being so unstable in the marketplace my steel comes from all over the damn world. These mills buy & sell each other so often you just can't keep up with who's mill the stuff was produced at & with what process, it's a nightmare. Process lubes, corrosion inhibitors, some inorganic, some organic... Chemistry for pretreat is tough these days. The soil & oil loads are all over the map.

Anyways, instead of a conventional 5 stage chemistry like an alkaline wash, backflow rinse, iron phos deposition, backflow rinse, reverse osmosis rinse. I end up going with a mild acidic cleaner/phos then a rinse, then iron phos, rinse-rinse with the final being virgin RO.

And you do all this before you even think about putting the powder on, pre treat is the foundation for any coating process, gotta do it right or your coating efforts are for nothing.






My question is, what sort of pretreat is necessary for CVD?

Shouldn't take long to google an answer for that since he developed the software for google.

My 1st-year XCR indeed has that yellowish cast; it's kind of a bummer as it will look a little goofy when I re-barrel it someday...

A buddy just ordered one of those black tactical XCR's. He intends to slap it in another stock to get away from the wierd thumbhole thingy. Comes with the 40x trigger. I'm jealous.

Lee24, my assumption has been that the bore is NOT TriNyte coated; that's a real Achilles heel since, in the end, it's the most important metal on the rifle! Do you know, is the bore of an XCR TryNyte coated?

You still can't even answer the 'gimme' questions I asked. That shows how much concrete design you've really done in your life.

In addition with tzone's question on mix design, that really shows just how much of a phony you are.

Scorp,
Exactly.

340,

At the rate we're going, this thread will be 100 pages and we'll still be asking the same things.

Now that JO has thrown his hat into the ring, it will probably run to 250...

and that was a big ol' underhand chick pitched soft ball lobbed in there. but of course it wasn't anything you'd be able to google either. You'd need experience to answer it. Hell, even high school intern type experience would have covered it.

can't google it all 'eh lee?

My hat is not in any ring. You guys can have this one. I have no beef with Lee24, and I am not qualified to evaluate his claims or credentials.

I was just commenting on the original question- recent M700 quality- and making polite conversation.

That is the thing about Lee, he is too dense to even realize that the engineering field is so vast that no one person can have 10% of the knowledge he claims.
A real engineer also knows when to STFU when he is in above his head-which, as everyone at the 'Fire can see, is the last thing Lee would do.


It is quite obvious that Lee is not an engineer.

Nothing is built the way it used to be including machinist. My father taught precision machining and drafting on the high school level for 35 years starting in 1964. The problem is kids are more prepped for tests that get the schools more money than learning a quality skill. No one gives a rip about these skills anymore so no one is learning them. So now we have a bunch of Nintendo idiots running our CNC machines who have no idea what pride in your work means or the concept of craftsmanship. All they know is the machine makes the parts within tolerance and if it doesn't change the tool head. This is the same reason we are forced to drive junk built in Korea and Japan. Because we have a bunch of drunk crack heads in Detroit that don't have any skill and don't have and pride in what they do. And that's because no one has taught them to. So if you want a well built gun buy a "blank" from Remington and take it to a gunsmith to have it finished if it doesn't work for you The human element may cause a mistake now and then but something built by a machine has no soul. Just my little rant...

Alright, Jeffro...
I will let it slide(this time) if you send me some elk tenderloins!
Deal?

The tenderloins from my bull last year were hands-down the best game meat I've ever eaten. They were fork-cut tender. Yum. I still have the tenders from my cow from last year...

So no, no deal!

Ah hell!
I thought I had a good dinner coming up for sure!!
Rats...

I hate out gassing.

Most people who actually work with it realize that this compiler really has nothing to do with the code of the OS but instead is used as a compiler for .net framework and that any fortran compiler can be used just fine should you want to use it. Of course, what do I know I just do SOA stuff for a living, a fact that can actually be verified by a bunch of people here.

For the most part we're using mule and eclipse vice .net for our work.

Dude, now you are in MY field an I can tell you that you are full of crap. I have spent 14 years in the pharma industry working with various process development projects. One of the thing that I have extensive experience in is steam sterilizers, and can tell you that no freakin ChE has EVER designed any kind of pressure vessel on any of the hundreds of projects I have worked on. These are mulit million dollar projects and I can tell you that any kind of process machinery is designed by ME's and the ChE come up with the process. Also, Civil engineers design the infrastructure and the such, STRUCTURAL engineers(most of which have ME education) design the buildings and such.

bryguy,
+1

ChE's 'design' the reactions and specify any corrosion resistance properties that may be required, reactor size,agitation requirements, desired pressure parameters, temperature limits, etc. If I was buying a(new) pressurized heat jacketed reactor, I would give the vendor my desired specs. and they would either design and build the thing or recommend a suitable one that has already been built. I know I didn't take any classes in 'pressure vessel design' and I can tell you no such thing was offered within the ChE department although perhaps one was taught in the ME department.

Also, I believe that it is the American Society of Mechanical Engineers(ASME) that set safety/operating standards for pressure vessels in the USA, not the American Institute of Chemical Engineers(AICHE) which also points to ME's having more to do with pressure vessels than ChEs.

Yep, everything we deal with in either a steam sterilizer or any vessel that will see any level of pressure are built to ASME standards or the EU counter part.

bryguy,
Sounds like you have an interesting job, for sure.
Does your plant have a lot of stainless construction and Swagelok type tubing/fittings?
If so, I am envious!!

brguy, just accept the fact that you didn't go to as rigorous of an engineering school as I, and a lot of other engineers, did. All my ChemE friends took took a semester of Statics in the ME department, and a course on pressure vessels. As you say, most project engineers are going to spec the vessel and a fabricator is going to build it to ASME codes, but a good ChemE needs to know enough to not specify something that won't work.

Ingwe

Uhh, Lee-
taking one semester of statics doesn't qualify anyone to build the structure necessary to support a reactor, HX, evaporator, etc.
If you knew anything about engineering, you wouldn't post such horseshit.

How about listing where you went to "school." You have said NOTHING of any substance in this thread. You've been asked many questions but do not answer them. You just put folks down and counter acuse. Put up (that includes your SC 375H&H) or go away.

RH

+1

Ingwe

Allow him to introduce himself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVaz8ZZxoxo&feature=related

Ingwe

Please tell what university it is that you got your degrees from? I'm absolutely dying to know!

Why would a ChE take statics from a ME department? Statics is a CE class. Start talking dynamics, then we'll be in ME world.

In my undergraduate education, mechanical and civil engineering students took two semesters of statics and structural engineering. Both department taught both classes. The first semester was theoretical: vectors, point loading, distributed loading, Mohr's circle, etc. The second semesters were real world problems slanted more towards the practice on that field: ME more towards machinery, weldments, composites, and CE more towards steel for buildings and bridges.

WHERE???

Why won't you answer a SIMPLE question?

RH

And they have now dropped the 798. a rifle design that has been preferred by dangerous game hunters for 111 years, and they dropped it.....???????? baffled

ACME University. He was classmates with one Wile E. Coyote (Super Genius)

I think I would find ol Wile E. more trustworthy as well as ingenious than Lee...

I got a HUGE kick out of that I love old looney toons

I've not been on these forums for a while so can anybody tell me if Lee24 has ever posted a picture of his SC M70 in 375?

No, you'll get a close up of bigfoot drinking a Bud first.

Hey, Liar24......

Tale a good look at your fatassed self, and try to google-fu the school that teaches what you claim to have taken.

You've slipped, Liar24.

And, that JeffObama fell for the biggest fraud on the 'net, should surprise no one with half-a-fuggin'-clue.

That was simply a Charles Daily turd that they never should have imported. Paul must have been rolling in his grave when that thing was introduced onto the scene.

I'm fond of a good Mauser, but that wasn't one.

Mr. Nimrod,
How would you feel if your posts making personal attacks on others were fowarded to your family and your employer? Wouldn't you be embarassed? Try to think about that the next time you are tempted to libel someone.

Triggerguard, how would you feel if you customers saw how you behave on this web site?

Lee ... quite frankly, I'd buy more stuff from Williams Firearms (wait, I've already done that!) ... as well, I'd get financial advice from VAnimrod (holy crap, I've done that as well) ...

How about you take your lying ass and leave here, never looking back? You're a fraud to the Nth degree, on your best day ... nowhere to go but up for you.

The funny fact, Lee, is that you're running your mouth about being knowledgeable about structural engineering, yet you have only two undergraduate semesters worth of those classes?

Students who do their undergraduate concentration in structures in most cases have to take at least 5 semesters of structural related classes, at the bare minimum. Others who concentrate in other areas take normally 3-4 semesters worth of stuff. That doesn't make up for real world experience (which you don't have), but there are college sophomores with more structural design experience than you. Go figure?

Still waiting for you to answer my questions I asked earlier, in addition to what university you attended. Put up or shut up.

Yep. There are several of the older areas in the sterile manufacturing suites that have stainless steel on the walls (that is kind of a dying trend in the industry, most walls now are FRP) and all the machines are stainless. We buy swagelock fittings by the 100's. No telling how miles of tubing there is.

Hell Dude, I never claimed I went to engineering school. In fact, my educational background is marine biology and marine technology. I have both a BS and an AAS. BS is UNCW, class of 91, and AAS is Cape Fear CC, class of 93. Perhaps if you paid attnetion to detail(another indication that you are full of crap, cause almost to person, true engineers I have met are so detail oriented as to be anal about it)you would have noticed that earlier I posted that I have never had any formal engineering education. There are no ASME codes, they provide the guidlines for the vessel. The states themselves provide the 'code' by which the vessels are tested and certified. Again, never worked on a project where a ChE did anything other than come up with the formulation process, then everyhing was turned over to the ME to design the equipment.

Lee24 has a better memory than me. I took 2 semesters of Freshman chem, 2 semesters of Organic, 1 semester of P-Chem and 2 of Biochem and I consider myself a Biologist with rather poor chemistry skills.

I figured out what kind of engineering degree he has. It is IE(imaginary engineering) from Strayer online university.

Disclaimer: I did not mean to impugn those on this board that do indeed have a real degree in Industrial engineering or from Strayer online university.

Actually, the American Society of Mechanical Engineers does set standards for boilers and pressure vessels, and administers exams to grant certification for engineers and operators.

Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code - 2007 Edition - Codes & Standards

www.asme.org/Codes/International_Boiler_Pressure.cfm

Boiler & Pressure Vessel Certification - Product Certification

www.asme.org/Codes/CertifAccred/Certification/Boiler_Pressure_Vessel.cfm

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And yes, civil engineers would take more courses in structural engineering, for steel and concrete construction. But many mechanical engineers, would, as I have done, engineer everything on a high rise building except the foundation and the structural steel or concrete. Then we might suggest modifications to the structure in order to locate plumbing chases and vents to meet those codes.

Mechanical engineers are usually the ones doing structural engineering of curved, composite machinery, like vehicles, airplanes, and boats. Civil engineers would be more prevalent in the engineering of large machinery like ships and drawbridges.

Scorpion, even a PhD in structural engineering with no work experience in design from scratch, has no experience.

WGM, if you don't respect my engineering, by all means, refuse to use any of the products I have worked on, starting with Remington, H&K, many automobiles, and the structural frames of most commercial aircraft. Refuse to get a PSA test, and if you have heart trouble, tell them not to connect you to the vital signs monitor. It's fine with me.

Ingwe

Civil Engineers do large ships? What?

With you making statements like this, and your complete lack of response to questions regarding your education or subject which you apparently are an expert on, it is hard not to belive you to be a poser.

Yes, civil engineers modernized shipbuilding with their knowledge of steel bridges and buildings. Mechanical and industrial engineers provided the next revolution, in making shipbuilding more of a factory process. Even aircraft carriers today are built in large multi-story units which are assembled into a ship. Try to find a documentary show on TV about Norfolk Naval Shipyard.

All the project management techniques used in construction and other large projects came out of the submarine yards at Groton, CT: PERT, CPM.

The estimating systems for construction of large aircraft, like the industrial engineering method MOST, was developed for chemical plant construction, and first applied at Grumman.

I have done a bit of work on large ships, like the USS George Washington, USS New Jersey, and commercial ships.

---- book on the role of civil engineers in shipbuilding ---------------

The Journal of Military History
Volume 71, Number 1, January 2007

E-ISSN: 1543-7795 Print ISSN: 0899-3718

DOI: 10.1353/jmh.2007.0072

Roberts, William R.
Industrializing American Shipbuilding: The Transformation of Ship Design and Construction, 1820-1920 (review)
The Journal of Military History - Volume 71, Number 1, January 2007, pp. 236-237

Society for Military History

William R. Roberts - Industrializing American Shipbuilding: The Transformation of Ship Design and Construction, 1820-1920 (review) - The Journal of Military History 71:1 The Journal of Military History 71.1 (2006) 236-237 Muse Search Journals This Journal Contents Reviewed by William R. Roberts United States Naval Academy Annapolis, Maryland Industrializing American Shipbuilding: The Transformation of Ship Design and Construction, 1820-1920. By William H. Thiesen. Gainesville: University Press of Florida, 2006. ISBN 0-8130-2940-6. Photographs. Illustrations. Notes. Bibliography. Index. Pp. 302. $55.00.

Industrializing American Shipbuilding is an ambitious and detailed examination of the development of American ship design and construction during the nineteenth and early twentieth century.

You are a liar, Lee.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Do you really think anyone believes a word you say?
If so, you are delusional.

Proof of your claims, and thus proof that you are not a lying POS, would be required.

You know you can't produce any proof.

And, you know it's only a matter of time before someone from SC recognizes you and the belly laughs start.

You're slipping, Liar24.................... you're slipping BADLY.

lee24,

yada yada yada!!!!!

just answer folks questions rather than spoutin' off claims.

(bububububububububut i really did all this stuff - yeah right)



i think maybe you got the psa test confused with a DRE. that's something i believe you may have experience with!

Mr. Clarkson (VAnimrod), you are dodging my question about how ashamed YOU would be to have your wife, family, friends and co-workers read your libelous attacks on me, and your stalking of people for the purposes of subjecting them to hatred, ridicule, and contempt.

If you have ever take a course in Tort Law, you might recall the phrase, "for the purposes of subjecting them to hatred, ridicule, and contempt". Look it up.

PS: That photograph is by me, not of me, so you are now stalking another person, and he doesn't look like he will play with you.

"wmeek", the book I recommended is readable by a layman like yourself or "darrenk75b". Don't be intimidated. Got to the library. Any actual civil engineers would already know that what I am trying to tell you is correct, but they might like the book, too.

340boy, you don't believe me because you don't understand what I am trying to tell you. I understand your frustration. Just stop reading and go to a discussion on your level.

Sure, Liar........... whatever you say.

Not.

lee24,

we don't want books to read, we want you to prove your claims. you can start with the old one - that sc m70 375h&h, then proceed fom there: schools, accredidations, licenses.....

wmeek, doesn't the fact that you cannot follow my discussion of any technical subject, on any level, tell you that you should not be saying anything?

I don't understand why someone like yourself, who admits to knowing nothing about any of these topics, would bother to read them, much less disrupt them with your baseless personal attacks. You might want to discuss this with your priest, instead of me. I am not a qualified therapist.

You slander yourself and that is quite a feat...............

As well, utilization of the ASME Code Symbol Stamp is a means of complying with the laws and regulations in all 50 states in the U.S., and all of the provinces of Canada. In addition, it has been estimated that over 100 countries accept the ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code as a means of meeting their government safety regulations.
The ASME stamp is just a means to comply with the state codes, which take precedent over any others(similiar to the electrical 'code', which is just a best practices, it is not law per se, but most states and localities choose to use it at a minimum, but most go farther). All of the pressure vessels we use are inspected and certified by the NC dept of Labor, boiler division. Can not do any pressure test till the state inspector shows up a does his thing, then any time any mods are made to the vessel, then it has to be inspected again by the NC inspector, not an ASME engineer. ASME is similiar to ANSI and other trade peer groups in that they provide guidelines, and have no regulatory power, just because most state choose to use their guidlines does not make it a code in the leagal sense.

As to the PSA test, and other medical devices, exactly what sort of input did you have with these items.

Also Lee, perhaps you should ask yourself the same question that you ask the others, how would your friends,family and employer feel about you coming on here and posting what appear to be lie after lie?

The state boiler and pressure vessel codes are based on the ASME standards, and usually drafted by mechanical engineers. You can't continue building a house, much less a skyscraper, until the county or state inspector signs off on progress. That doesn't mean any of the inspectors are qualified to supervise the construction, much less design the house or skyscraper.

brguy, just feel free to not use any of those products, like the DC-10, Boeing 7xx series, or other products where you distrust my contributions to their design and construction.

At least you are educating yourself on the ASME boiler codes to the point of realizing that I was correct in what I told you.

If you study what I told you about civil engineering and shipbuilding, you will have learned a lot more today.

So you claim to have been accomplishing significant engineering feats during DC-10 development... In 1967?

Yeah, right.

The DC-10, and older aircraft, are constantly under maintenance and improvements in materials and structures are made as they are developed. The F-16 was originally an all metal fighter plane, but has been updated with better aluminum structures and composite structures over the years.

I know, from having designed and developed machinery for making those aluminum and composite structures.

Now, I have taught you something else today.

It amazes me how non-technical people think they are going to trip up and show up experienced engineers and scientists, but I see this sort of silliness in other forums, too.

And please enlighten us on who you helped with the PSA and where...

The PSA and other such tests are chemical engineering on a small scale.

But your non-engineering buddies already told you I couldn't possible know anything about chemical engineering, and none of you would understand it if I explained the details of blood chemistry, so why should I bother doing so for such an uninterested audience?

lee24,

no it doesn't. i follow your discussions well enough to see that you cannot answer direct questiions, and when you make a boast that someone takes you up on - remember, you offered to shoot against me - you quickly retreat, change the subject, find excuses... 'turtle' if you will, as in shrivle up from the cold!

i keep waitng for you to answer the questions of others; i accept you won't shoot with me as i've provided many choices and opportunities which once you saw i was serious became inconvenient. real piece of work!!!

keep on dancing, it is entertaining. (how high can you pile it?)

If you don't think my answers on civil engineering, pressure vessels, statics, concrete, PSA, PVD processes, aircraft structures, and shipbuilding were direct, it is only because you don't understand the answers. That is your problem, not mine.

If you shoot competitively at the national level, and want to boast, post a link to your published scores. Then others can compare their latest or best scores to yours, to give you something to shoot for, so to speak.

lee24,

prostate serum antigen. you didn't answer any question, just stated you did something - you had a psa test? and as i stated previously i'd more believe you give yourself DREs (digital rectal exams).

re second comment: that i shoot competitively, and at what level, is not the issue, and i've no need to boast. it's your abilities and boasting that are being questioned.

I shouldn't have brought up another subject, like blood chemistry analysis, which none of you understand, nor have any interest in. The explanation of the XCR coating frustrated you enough.

If your scores aren't posted on a national or international match ranking, then how do you expect to compare scores with anyone whose scores are posted, or has ever had them posted?

Interesting tidbit Lee... A very good friend invented and developed a bunch of medical stuff of great importance. He has done a bunch of amazing stuff... even consulted on a certain blood test... Now, care to tell me what you did? Do not worry about my comprehension; I have a translator available and I am certain your role can be explained to me in time.

lee24,

sorry, i forgot, you went to medical school too (which one?).

the tournaments i compete in, we compare our scores at the range when we shoot, not on some internet posting.

once again, you're avoiding the issue by trying to turn things around.

i'll give you credit, though: i think you were the ispiration for the brad paisley song "cooler online"! (don't let that go to your head!)

If your scores aren't posted on the NRA web site or the USA Shooting Team web site, then I don't plan to fly out to read them off a bulletin board at any local range. Feel free to scan them and post a PDF or JPEG here, though.

You might try shooting some postal matches, too.

Honestly, there is no possible way that 1 man...ONE MAN, could have done the things this imbecile has claimed.

*Engineered and built a steel and concrete bridge when he was 14

*Developed machinery and processes for Remington

*Contributed designs and developments for the DC-10, Boeing aircraft and what not

*Not to mention all of the other engineering and building feats he claims

*PLUS competitive shooting against the best in the world

I know I'm probably leaving out quite a few more ridiculous claims but I don't have the will to go back and reread all of his posts.

If there was ONE MAN who has truthfully completed all of the claims he states he has done, he wouldn't have time for a campfire forum because Dateline and the Today show would be doing specials on him every chance they got.

Your ruse is up lee, give it a rest. There was a guy I went to school with, that until now, I decided was the worst compulsive liar on the planet. You take the cake with that title.

If I were you...and I had done half the things you claim, I would be bragging and backing up my claims with every shred of evidence I could muster. As I have said before, the fact that you don't answer anyone's questions about your degrees or anything personal related just screams that you are a fraud.

Sitka, since you don't seem to be qualified to discuss medical device designs, do you know enough about what your friend did to describe it? If he did such "amazing stuff", perhaps you recognize that there are others out here doing "amazing stuff", as well.

You are welcome to start a new thread and invite your friend to discuss it.

Lee, you have yet to answer some the simplest civil engineering questions in regards to reinforced concrete design. No, I don't need your help with my homework, as I have already been tested on it.

I'll make it easy, answer this for me. What's the most common value used for phi when calculating (phi)*Mn?

If you get that right, we can step it up a notch.

lee24,

just afraid if i posted my scores i'd scare you off!!!

you offered to 'shoot against' me, i agreed, offered to buy your plane ticket, and even offered to come your direction, provide you with equipment necessary to make it happen (rifles & ammo), even offered to shoot pistol (your strong suite). you keep harping about posted scores - as i said before: show us some of yours and i'll show you some of mine! how 'bout we make a wager of sufficient value to make it worthwhile?

Go ahead, scare me with your scores.

I've shot with Gary Anderson, Lones Wigger, Jeff Cooper, Rod Latham, Eric Beljung, and others. Yes, I have outscored some of them. Other times, they beat me. I can handle the pressure of your posting scores.

scorpion, I am proud of your test score, whatever it turns out to be.

Have you ever designed and built anything of consequence?
Last year, my civil projects used over 19,000 cubic yards of concrete and 200 acres of asphalt. It's not my primary work, but it keeps my hand in it.

"His civil projects" probably consisted of him bringing coffee and donuts to the guys doing the work just so he could say he had a hand in doing them.

I guess CraigCollier tagging up for Scorpion means he won't be answering about his actual project work.

Are you an engineer, Collier, or just a clown in the ring to help our injured bull riders crawl to safety?

lee24,

yeah, me too. well not cooper. did you outscore any of 'em? but you're still dancing:

No I'm not an engineer. However, I can spot a liar and a bullsh!tter from a mile away...and you sir are both.

You're not an engineer, but consider yourself "qualified" to dispute, quesetion, and insult professional engineers and scientists in subjects you don't comprehend. What kind of "qualifications" would that require?

Lee
Seems the guys you had to interface with to work on the PSA test have zero idea who you could be... Care to reference ANYONE you worked with there?
art

...anyone I worked with WHERE?

Sitka, unless and until you name your secret friends and describe their work and companies, they remain as mythical as the "contacts at Winchester" claimed by VAnimrod.

It's kind of difficult for me to respond to your ameless, workless, locationless, dateless ghosts.

Still waiting for you to answer my simple questions. A guy whose "projects" placed over 19,000 yards of concrete should be able to spout out those numbers I asked for in his sleep. Once again, you disappoint, and blatantly avoid my direct questions. Circumventing the answer isn't going to cut it, Lee. Put up or shut up.

lee24,

typical, answer a question with a question - about on par with: 'i know you are but what am i?'.....

or total avoidance.

childish in either case.

The same folks keep demanding more and more details from me about subjects which most of them admit to not understanding, or admit to having no real experience in working, yet they refuse to offer any details about their own shooting scores, the identities of the "expert friends", their education, vocation, or projects.

After I post some detailed facts to contradict one of their bogus claims, they accuse me of "avoidance".

Funny how that works.

One of the principals on the PSA test development goes by a funny nickname always and he is clueless about who you could POSSIBLY be...

I will post in my signature line that you are the greatest engineer to ever draw breath if you can fill a single gap in the claim you had significant input on the test.
art

Sitka, get the 10-year-old next door to help you with your Google searches. Your BS and stalling is the same-old, same-old.

Either bring your NAMED scientist friend here or stop posting your BS.

Anyone can consult Wikipedia and Google for your "detailed facts", these people here are asking for hard, undeniable proof from you that you accomplished even 1/8th of what you have claimed. You have failed to produce this evidence and continue to circle around the direct questions. You are also asking these people to put up their own proof when it is not they who are in question of being a liar, a poser, and simply an utter nitwit keyboard commando of the highest order.

lee24,

you really can't read, can you?

where are the detailed facts (your words) to this question?:



your response certainly fell into the category of avoidance:



not detailed facts.

i very well understand questions of which school did you attend, where's the pic of the sc 375h&h, others would understand and appreciate verified licenses and accreditations, not just boasts & claims. i would like you to validate your superior rifle shooting, rather than keep asking me for evidence of my shooting competence - it was you that made the claim! (and there are some here that know of my abilities - you've even been shown a pic).

Collier, why don't you use Google to pretend you can discuss engineering with me, if it is that easy?

Yes, meeks, I read that Sitka claims to know some nameless scientist who worked some nameless place, at no date, who can challenge me...through Sitka, of course. Do you really believe Sitka? Grow up!.

If any of you want to discuss any of the topics besides yourselves and the people you dislike, you could start trying, anytime - if you are capable of it.

Otherwise, I see your dodging and demands as just some way to further harass me. Some of the behavior is libelous, some threatening and borderline illegal. Some of you might try something really stupid and end up hurt, bankrupt, in jail, or all of those. I don't trust some of the creeps I run into here.

Ingwe

Well, it has been a long time since I even posted on here, maybe even my third time total. I have been watching this thread and wandered back on others that were of extended length and must say that this individual is interesting in his psychological make up.

Delusional, compulsive liar, obsessive to be believed, obsessive in avoidance. Either this person is at least that or the second coming (and he has to compete with BHO for that title, another delusional hack).

I did follow an earlier link from this thread leading to another site that has a Lee24 posted several times. A purported 15 yo boy from two years back asking questions about firearms and being somewhat grandiose. Intersting that the syntax, grammer, vocabulary and questions asked and answered sound identical to this Lee24.

Honestly, Lee, back off from the mouse, unplug the computer, turn off the light. Go upstairs and get a couple of cookies and milk from momma, then go talk to your father about getting some help. Now tell him the truth, pathological liar, antisocial, feel superior to other mortals, generally vicariously living a grandiose delusion of your huluciangic mind.

Seriously, get some real help!

lee24,

believing sitka is not the issue, again you are avoiding quite direct questions. validate your claims, as any scientist/engineer (which you claim to be) would do. you've been asked many questions attempting to confirm some of your many claims, and all you do ask more questions and avoid the issues.

i haven't been discussing myself or people i disslike, i only try to get you to answer a simple question or two. in return you spew some jibberish, make some claims, yet avoid the question at hand. so to avoid falling into the name calling that you've driven some to, i'll just let you keep fishin' (until you strike a nerve again).

surf on!

ColoWolf claims to be a forensics writing expert, who has matched me to some (you guessed it) nameless "15 year old boy".

What's next, someone claiming to be my college professor?

wmeek, you are more polite, but just as evasive as the others.

I'll check back in a day or so to see if any of you came up with anything more than the usual "yo mama" talk.

Coco, please post the link to the forum where Lee(liar) has posted before, I'm quite sure most of us here would love to see the similarities between him and the 15 year old.

And your description of him seems right on...it's a shame he can't see it himself.

lee24,

i'm not evasive, as i have stated previously, show us your shooting results and i'll show you mine. i have offered to transport you to a shooting tournament, travel to your locale for a tournament, provide you with equipment to shoot, even participate in your preferred discipline, yet you avoid a direct response. tell me how i'm being evasive..... (didn't take long, did it?)

Also, what I can't comprehend is the fact that he remains here. If I were at a forum where the majority of the population hated me, damned if I wouldn't close out my account and move on.

Seriously, if you're not going to provide any proof to the people asking questions, why don't you just leave and let everyone move on with their life. You're not going to get anything but ridicule and harassment by staying any longer.

10 trolls are not "the majority".

They only post about girls, and attacks to disrupt discussion.
Some of them don't seem that interested in or knowledgeable about shooting.

They are probably stinking up some other web site when they aren't here.

Lee
One little name and you could have me backing you all the way... The guy I referenced has a doctorate in Mammology. The fact will not help you, but they are other facts you would likely know him IF you had anything to do with your claims. A name from someone you interfaced with on the PSA project...
art

lee 24
I'm kinda new here and really have not followed your post.But,saying it in a friendly way I don't think you can see the forest for the trees.If I was you
I would find a different forum.You take a awful tanning around here.I mean being a engingeer,doctor,inventor and all you should be smart enough to figure out you can't win.

I think thats the point everyone is trying to make.

Thanks for the advice, "Patrick James".

10 bullies are not the majority. They just think they are.

If they don't run you off, you will stay and learn that I am not the only person they stalk and attack. There are others, here, who are nationally known as very knowledgeable, that they will attack.

The whole goal of cyber bullies is to degrade the conversation and drive out those who know something and are trying to have a conversation.

I am having those conversations with people who do know what they are talking about. I was having those conversations in this thread, until the usual hecklers showed up. So I challenge the know-nothing bluffers here. They never bring anything to the table but insults and hollow boasting about nameless expert friends who say the rest of us are wrong. That's pretty lame and immature.

Still avoiding my simple questions. Perhaps you should give up, Lee. It's clear you've no real experience with designing any concrete structures. If you did, you'd have answered my questions to make shut up.

"The whole goal of cyber punks is to degrade the conversation and drive out those who know something and are trying to have a conversation."

Talking about yourself again, I see? You've degraded this thread, as well as many others. More importantly, you're degrading the names and reputations of real engineers. It's really kind of pathetic.

You have yet to really put up a challenge for me, Lee. I have put up AT LEAST 3, and you have fail to answer any of them. When you decide to put up, instead of run your mouth, I'll be willing and ready to answer any and all questions/challenges you have for me.

lee24,

you don't converse, you boast and make claims with no validity. provide some basic evidence of your claims - the sooner the better - start with the sc 375h&h pic. talk is cheap... (or some competitive shooting scores as that's where my interest lies - you're the one that boasts how great you are!)

IOW, Scorpion, you are a college student with no project experience yet, right? So you continue to bluff with silly problems copied from your last test.

wmeek, you are the one who said you have no scores to post.
So I can't very well compare my scores to your nothing.

lee24,

no, i believe i stated that my scores weren't important, as it was you, not me, claiming to be the superior rifle shooter. if you want to compare scores, let's shoot, it's as simple as that......

lee24,

or just post the pic of the sc 375h&h that everybody wants to see, claim matt williams prize, and i'll quit asking about your shooting. really should be easy to do.

As if Matt Williams would give me a rifle, and as if I don't already have several .375s much nicer. From bullying to bribery, you guys just play. It doesn't work. I've already called all the bluffs before; that's why they have the red-ass and stalk me.

I was attacked for using the term "superior shooter" to refer any of the better than average hunting shooters, in a topic about long range shots at game. When I stated what my standards were for figuring out how far away I, or anyone else, should be taking a shot at game, my standards were attacked by people who offered no standards of their own. I explained how I came by mine.

lee24,

it'd be real easy to find out: call his bluff, post the pic, then if he doesn't come through, you would have hundreds, if not thousands of witnesses, and you could put some of your lawyering school to good work.

how 'bout it? just post the pic - don't cost you anything and the reward is a rifle that you could flip if it don't suit you.

Impossible to do....you didn't go to college.

Lee, you need help man. I really do feel for you.

I don't need help. I am handling all of you in my spare time, while I work.

brguy, you sort of slinked off after you claimed that there were no ASME pressure vessel codes, and I posted links to them, then explained the relationship between us engineers and the code inspectors. More of my actual experience defeating your Google search. It's so easy.

You're idea of "handling" and mine are worlds apart. From where I'm sitting, you're getting your azz handed to you.

Carry on, though, it's been a long day on the woodlot and I needed the laughs.

George

NH K9, are you sitting on the throne? You must not be very technical, if their noise impresses you more than my direct knowledge. Until you can contribute something factual, on topic, and politely, don't expect me to value your opinion.

Exactly why DID you chime in? Lonely?
You aren't going to make friends that way.

I'll compare degrees whenever you're ready.




This, from you, amazes me.



Thanks for that, at least. I'd be worried if you were "in my camp" on anything.



No I was amused, extremely amused at your expense.



I'm not in the friend making business and have all I need, thanks.

BTW, my latest project involves the expansion of a 2-lane to 4-lane stretch of a major highway in this great state. Want to see some pics .

George

NHK9...

About your post...




Ingwe

Brother, your posters have been killin' me lately.

Ingwe

They're not posters.

They're liar24's childhood photo's.

Plus, he invented posters, then engineered the chemicals in the ink, researched and developed the printing software...all while "handling" us while he's flipping burgers.

NH K9, if you want to talk about roadbuilding, start a thread.
If you want to talk about your engineering projects, start a thread.
This one is supposed to be about Remington.

Glad to hear you realize that you won't make friends by insulting people you don't know, and the other insulters don't have any friends.

I think I used this before, so forgive me, I had to do it....



Ingwe

You were discussing your teenage projects in this thread, I figured I could do the same. This is just your cute way of admitting you can't talk tech with the big boys .

George

Once again, you are wrong. I have project experience, believe that or not. The majority of that is highway construction, with both asphalt and concrete. I'm still waiting for you to answer those questions, and the questions I asked are not even exam questions because they are basically known values. The fact you can't even give me a value for what I asked shows you have absolutely zero design experience with reinforced concrete. I could ask you one of the easiest concrete questions from my FE exam yesterday, but no doubt you would evade the question yet again. What college was it you said you went to?

This thread was about Remington, until you started telling everyone that you are an engineer. Quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing you say that because it is a disgrace to those of us who actually are or are going to be. You think you can impress those who can't see through your lies and bullshit, but as is evident, there are plenty who won't put up with that. Why can't you just let it go?

Please don't forget his claims to have been shooting on the US Army marksmanship unit in 1968 and that he is is still drilling in the Reserves two years ago. 40+ years of service. I'm sure Congress came up with an exemption just for him.

I'd put him on ignore but his next lie just keeps me on the edge of my seat seeing what whopper he will come up with next.

But I can scan and post my current military ID. You can't.
I was shooting in ROTC in 1968.
I don't criticize other people's military service.

I am tired of the same old posts, by people telling me about projects they cannot describe, secret expert friends who could dispute what I say but never do, experience they don't have, shooting scores they cannot post, people they envy and hate.

Scorp.
Exactly.
The guy is just envious of the actual engineers on this forum, which includes yourself.
The only thing I can figure is that Lee flunked out of engineering school early on or he had someone that he hated that happened to be an engineer.

Lee,
Where did you go to engineering school again?
What degree, what year did you graduate?
Myself, Bachelors degree in chemical engineering from Montana State in 1995.
You also don't seem capable of answering any of my questions concerning your so-called 'expertise' in polymer science and engineering?

How about you show some actual knowledge, instead of quoting course syllabus material online?

I can tell all about the projects I worked on this past year. Spent a little time at the tail end of a project, was only there for hydroseeding, concrete mountable curb, and a few other small things. Then spent a month working on concrete sidewalk replacement and installation of ADA approved detectable walking surfaces (which came in well over 20% under budget).

The bulk of my summer was spent working on a pavement rehabilitation project which mainly involved milling 2.5" of existing pavement (as well as 6" milling and patching of fatigue cracks and doing shoulder/base repair) and then an asphalt overlay (1" of PG 76-22 levelling course, and then 1.5" of PG 76-22 wearing course). Other items in this project were two intersection repairs that were done by milling the pavement 6" and building back up with 25mm PG 76-22 base, over $1 million dollars worth of cameras in lieu of in-pavement loop detectors, and some other miscellaneous task like drainage inlet maintenence, etc. I was responsible for surveying the existing pavement, marking any and all places where transverse cracks and the shoulder needed to be repaired, as well as essentially being in charge of the entire paving operation. I also took care of laying out all asphalt sampling points (both box and cores). The project was only a 3 million dollar deal, though it was complex in that it was the main road through a city of 50,000 with an ADT of about 20,000 or slightly more. No daylight work was allowed (8pm to 6am only), and traffic could not be stopped for any length of time. I was quite fortunate to work with the best paving crew from a very large and well thought of paving company here in Pennsylvania, and got to pick the brain of some very experienced people.

My previous three years working for PennDOT were spent in the traffic department doing traffic studies which mainly consisted of various types of traffic counts for the state. We also often assisted the bridge design unit with any and all studies that they needed done. The PennDOT district I worked in had more bridges in it than the states of Maryland and Delware, combined, FWIW.

They don't allow interns to do any design, and one learns much more beneficial things actually watching the work being done on the site, IMO. Better to see how things are built, so when I do get to finally design something, I'll have an idea if it can even be built by the craftspersons and laborers.

Does that qualify as experience enough for you to now answer my questions, Lee? Probably a bit more than you expect, for "just some college student".

I'm thinking it has to be something along those lines! He is clearly delusional. Perhaps he just envied those who never had a life throughout college?

Who knows?

I tell you one thing, his line of bullshit sure gets old, but he just keeps slinging it.
I don't even think he can remember what lies he tells from one day to the next.

Yep. He really does get old, thinking I may have to give up trying to call him out because he is like a broken record. T'was quite refreshing to be away from this thread all weekend. I'd be happy if he just said, "haha, I really got you guys, I was just kidding." Doesn't look like that will happen any time soon.

Agreed.
He can spout all the junk he wants but not one person on this forum believes what he says, as he has never posted one shred of evidence for his outlandish claims.

Ah well, he must get bored in the insane asylum.

I'm thinking so, too. He has got to be a lonely person, living on that planet all alone.

If he were a normal person, he would have long ago cleaned up his act-the fact that no one here believes anything he says and yet still comes back for more tells me he has some serious psychological problems.

I agree. It wouldn't surprise me if there was some underlying issue. I can't imagine a 'normal' person saying those things, and allowing their name and integrity to plummet in the process.

"...name and integrity to plummet in the process."

What name? Best we can guess is Lee might be his name... The fellows that actually did the work he was taking credit for would sure like to know what that name is BTW. For some reason they have no recall of anyone coming close to fitting Lee's description doing anything...

Seems to have been a small group, too...

Integrity? Surely you jest!!!!!!!!!!
art

Art,
I have to agree.
In my line of work, someone that takes credit for work they didn't do is called a fraud(or worse).

I aint a williams customer yet but i'm seriously considering becoming one now

Wow this train is off the tracks.

Here's an observation.

Lee24, best troll EVER!!

You're a [bleep] buffoon, of legendary stature.

Congratulations, you finally accomplished something noteworthy.

Well, do it.

Professional Engineers in South Carolina, with the first name Lee (as per here: https://verify.llronline.com/LicLookup/Engineers/Engineer.aspx?div=50)

Lee Bailey, PE#13897, first issued 01/29/1991
Lee Byrd, PE#19444, first issued 01/29/1999
Lee Carroll, PE#18083, first issued 03/14/1997 (out of NH; not Liar24)
Lee Chapman, PE#19251, first issued 09/25/1998 (not Liar24: http://www.devitainc.com/aboutManagement.php)
Lee Chappell, PE#9587, first issued 07/15/1983
Lee Clippard, PE#6709, first issued 07/22/1977
Lee Ferrell, PE#21065, first issued 03/06/2001
Lee Good, PE#10912, first issued 02/27/1986 (out of OH, not Liar24)
Lee Grandquist, PE#14021, first issued 03/05/1991 (out of MN, not Liar24)
Lee Greene, PE#23645, first issued 07/30/2004
Lee Harris, PE#2009863, first issued 05/27/2009 (temporary engineer, not Liar24)
Lee Hicks, PE#23869, first issued 12/15/2004
Lee Hooper, PE#19132, first issued 07/14/1988 (out of OH, not Liar24)
Lee McClure, PE#2598, first issued 07/26/1962 (NOT Liar24: http://www.construction-mgr.com/principals.html)
Lee McGuinness, PE#23033, first issued 10/16/2003
Lee McKinney, PE#24899, first issued 03/23/2006
Lee Metz, PE#18348, first issued 07/16/1997
Lee Odell, PE#2004569, first issued 07/14/2004 (temporary engineer out of Vancouver, WA, not Liar24)
Lee Page, PE#10193, first issued 10/16/1984 (out of TX, not Liar24)
Lee Pearce, PE#23893, first issued 12/15/2004 (USMC, NOT Liar24)
Lee Robbins, PE#19274, first issued 10/14/1998
Lee Robertson, PE#21549, first issued 01/08/2002 (lapsed)
Lee Sargent, PE#13300, first issued 01/29/1990 (out of Iowa)
Lee Sesler, PE#16399, first issued 10/17/1994
Lee Shokes, PE#14246, first issued 06/21/1991
Lee Simms, PE#8133, first issued 07/17/1980
Lee Starnes, PE#2005675, first issued 08/17/2005 (temporary engineer out of TN, not Liar24)
Lee Suggs, PE#23609, first issued 07/02/2004 (out of AR, not Liar24)
Lee Thomas, PE#19227, first issued 09/03/1988
Lee Truitt, PE#14252, first issued 06/21/1991
Lee Underwood, PE#16958, first issued 06/30/1995
Lee Wheatley, PE#7049, first issued 01/31/1978

Public information.

More public information; here's the list from NC, with any PE with "Lee" in their name at all:
https://www.membersbase.com/ncbels-vs/public/dosearchdb.asp

011398 James A. Lee
010857 Lee H. Thomas
011488 Steven M. Lee
010632 Allen D. Lee
010633 Donald R. Lee
010055 Mark B. Chamblee
009262 W. Lee Fleming, Jr.
008707 Hugh J. Gilleece III
008570 Lee H. Clippard
008043 Hugh T. Lee
005885 R. Lee Biggers
003612 Jimmy D. Lee
003657 Everette B. Curlee
003503 Colleen B. Garrison
011645 R. Lee Murphy
005960 Dale N. Lee
026013 William H. Leehr
024994 Andrew W. Van Leeuwen
031021 Amber M. Lee
025444 Lee E. Harrell, Jr.
025630 John D. Lee
030388 Kathleen P. Gray
025637 M. Lee Miller
025641 Dileep V. Pargaonkar
026562 Stephen K. Norfleet
025631 G. Craig Lee
025749 Lee S. Johnson
026716 William R. Curlee
027786 Waleed Zoabi
027702 Kathleen M. Murtagh
034344 Lee A. Hammer
028272 Harry A. Lee
034362 D. Lee Campbell, Jr.
028739 Kerry S. Lee
034985 Christopher D. Lee
029907 Bomani G. Lee
011967 Lee C. Page, Jr.
012695 Lee D. Stimpson
012697 Lee E. Wheatley
013265 Lee M. Sargent
013757 Gary Lee Morton
014210 Jae Y. Lee
014084 Lee G. Harris III
014294 Lee G. Spencer
014922 Cameron W. Lee, Jr.
014939 Lee H. Needham
014956 Eileen K. Robinson
015114 W. Lee McClung, Jr.
015387 C. Lee Davis
015436 Mary Jo R. Lee
015437 Ritchie J. Lee
015832 Joel A. Lee
016049 R. Lee Wooten
016466 Chi S. Lee
016467 Ted L. Lee
016221 Pin-Shi Lee
017134 Donald E. Lees
017437 Lee R. Sims, Jr.
017519 B. Lee Henderson, Jr.
017597 Jack Lee Craven, Jr.
018233 Ronald A. Lee
018539 R. Lee Parks
018575 Lee T. Stewart
018700 Pea C. Lee
018697 Kathleen M. Kolbeck
019092 Laura Lee
019313 Neil T. Greenlee
019572 William E. Lee Jr.
019510 John M. Killeen
019619 Eileen A. Duignan-Woods
019630 Guy Lee IV
019676 Emilee P. Blount
019772 J. G. Lee
020023 Sam L. Lee
020338 Lee F. Carroll
017406 Lee A. Granquist
024917 Steven G. Challeen
029418 Leevon McKinney, Jr.
027011 Kevin T. Lee, PE
021395 Gerald C. Robblee
024439 Aileen S. Mayhew
025905 R. Lee Bradley
022993 Lee R. Hines, Jr.
025002 Christopher S. B. Lee
023490 H. Lee Sparks, Jr.
022553 Joseph B. Lee III
024530 Harold W. Lee II
029107 Lee S. Underwood
030983 Darrick S. Lee
024459 Lee R. Squires
022769 Lee R. Willis
034392 Jason M. Lee
023273 Pui L. Lee
024476 C. Lee Mahaley
028432 Kathleen M. McKeithan
023823 Kathleen M. Stratton
032939 Colleen A. Rezabek
033240 Lee C. Sherman
032262 David M. Hesterlee
032176 Lee F. Sesler
031214 Alan Harold Chamblee
031562 Christopher J. Lee
031556 Kathleen S. Newton
031557 Gregory P. Sallee
031087 Lee Y. Greene
031515 Lee Whipple
031057 Christian J. Lavallee
030629 Gregory Lee Kelly
030631 Ta-Wen Lee
030663 Howard Lee Watson
030578 Wilson Lee
030962 Lee R. Garrison
029841 Anna Lee Bamforth
029280 Bryon Lee Willoughby
034019 Gerald Allen Lee
035001 Lee E. Dingle
028915 Lee J. McGuinness
024149 Lee A. Robbins
015964 William E. Beardslee
024018 Lee V. Hooper
033271 Kathleen C. Stahl
032841 Lee M. Smith
032984 Gregory H. Lee
033042 Heather Lee Buckberry
033327 Coleen Hudson Wells
033348 Lee M. Starnes
033856 G. Lee Reid
034265 Joong C. Lee
033476 Lee Bradley Chapman
033695 Saleem K. Zwayyed
035070 S. Lee Ragsdale, Jr.
035728 Kimberlee W. Benson
035183 Julius S.K. Lee
035841 Robert A. Lee
035570 Colleen M. Conrad
035968 Stephen R. Lee
035982 Ernest Lee Bogle

So, Liar, which one are you (supposedly)?

Not too many match the age range you've bracketed yourself into......... if you were shooting ROTC in 1968, if you were a freshman in college, then, that'd have you graduating in 1972 and a PE not long afterward. So, basically, you're saying that you've been a PE (especially with everything you claimed to have worked on since being a professional at least) since the '70s. Not too many PEs have their licenses dating back to the '70s on that list.................................................

Wouldn't be hard to see if any of those names cross-reference with NRA match results, either.

Process of elimination, is a b1tch, when it will eventually eliminate all your options.

Oh, and shooting ROTC in '68, would put the latest DOB for Liar 24 in 1950, and the earliest (even on the 5-year-plan) at around 1945. A 59-64 year old would have a HARD time accomplishing anything near the amount Liar24 claims to have done. And, very damned few of those are likely still holding a valid, current, military ID.

Simple friggin' math, at this point.

Too many slips, too often.................

Lee has gotta be laughin his ass off that you guys are stressin this much over proven he's a phoney. The fact that nobody could do all he's claimed is enough in my mind to know he's a liar.

You folks talk about the "amazing stuff" your friends have done, then claim others couldn't possibly have done something which we can describe in minute detail. A few of you who have some expertise in the subject converse and realize that the two of us know the subject very well. The trolls sit in their alternative universe and tell us we are both liars and idiots.

I have worked with some amazing people who have done far more than I have. I try to learn from it, not tear them down, or belittle their achievements.

--- Free advice from me to you ------------------
Get a life. Get out there and do something.
Meet people who have done something.
Quit hanging out with losers who just make snide remarks.

Sean, I can see why you aren't a lawyer or private detective.

---- free legal advice to you ---------------------

Your stalking, libel, and harassment can cost you your career, however low on the food chain you may be.

Lee, you've been asked for proof, time and again. And, LONG before you became the laughing stock of this site.

At no point, ever, have you proven anything that you've claimed, and you've been disproved several times over (photos from magazine and news articles you claimed as your own, photos of museum exhibits you claimed as being in private collections, etc.).

You brought all this on yourself, and a couple simple photos of proof would have ended this LONG ago. So would a simple admission on your part.

You continue to avoid either like the plague. Why is that?

Process of elimination, again, is a b!tch, and you've just about eliminated your options at this point, as the list of possibles is incredibly short, and very likely won't include you.

Free advice, from me to you: seek profession help.

My intimate knowledge of the subjects I discuss is proof to other other knowledgeable people.

No amount of evidence will convince a fool.

Not stalking, if you continue to engage. And, not stalking if you're not personally identified. Remember, to date, NO ONE has made a claim as your identity. I.e., they have not posted your name, identified it as you, your address, etc. Unlike, actually, what you've recently done with my name. Think about that............ Not libel, if it's not true.

Prove me false, Lee. That's all that you've been asked, many times over. Start with the Winchester M70 .375H&H, rollstamped "Made in Columbia, S.C.".

Just prove what you've claimed, Lee. It's pretty damned simple, really.

Who I am, is known. You've posted my name, and are now making at least implicit threats against my career. Think about that, Lee.

I'm not the only one here (by a LONG shot) claiming that you're full of schit. I'm not the only one here (by a LONG shot) asking you for proof of your claims. But, I'm the one you're singling out by name, and making implicit, career-related, threats against. Why is that, Lee? Think about it............

I posted a list of all licensed Professional Engineers named "Lee", in SC, and all with "Lee" in their names in NC. Simply stated, I don't believe that you're on either of those lists. That's my supposition, as per the claims you've made. The few with the parameters (as far as age and length of licensed tenure) don't match, and won't match, the other claims you've made. I simply think that you're not what you claim.

Prove me false.

All I'm asking, is that you post the proof that has been requested, or simply admit that you've made it up. Fairly damned simple, either way.

Photos of that Winchester M70, would go a LONG way. Any fool could see that...........................

Sean, you claimed to talk to "people at Winchester" who said I was lying. That was a fabrication of yours. You were calling me a liar. I asked for the names of the people at Winchester, and you can't provide any names. You were caught in a lie, and you are seeking vengeance.

Now your anger has spilled over into listing names of engineers, posting pictures of people you don't know, and making ugly accusations about them, too.

You are acting very foolishly.

I can provide those names, and will, should your rifle ever surface.

You can prove, or at least to date, HAVE proved, nothing.

If you could prove that you've done HALF of what you claim, you'd be a damned near invaluable resource.

As it is, you cannot (or, to date have not) proved anything, and made yourself a laughingstock.

Facts, are facts, and I suspect that facts would and will (eventually) support my claim that you are not on either of those lists of professional engineers. And, that no such rifle as the M70 you claim exists. And, basically, that you are a pathological liar.

Prove me wrong. Post the pics of the M70 you claim, that prove it exists. Prove me wrong: post the PE number that you would have to have to do what you've claimed. Prove me wrong: post the scores in those competitions you claim to have been in and shot so incredibly well in.

Prove me wrong.

BTW - I'm still calling you a liar.

Someone needs to man up, grow up, shut up and go away. To assist the process of elimination I will say it is not not Lee24.
If bigstick was banned, why not this goof? I liked stick, at least he walked the walk.

The only reason that I can figure that Liar24 is still here, is post traffic (number of posts per thread he engages in). That being high might have something that Rick can use.

That, and I don't think Rick gets involved in booting someone until they cross several, very clear, lines; i.e. race-baiting, open vulgurity as relates to sexual acts, open threats against someone else here to a level of dangerousness, etc.

Damn, and I gotta go issue vehicles this morning, schit, this is gonna get good! I need popcorn!

Rick Bin obviously doesn't have any standards, if he allows people like Sean to slander other posters, fabricate things about firearms companies, and post names of professionals on a witch hunt so he can further attack them.

Rick Bin is endangering this entire web site by allowing it to be used for libel and harassment by a few bullies.

I would hate to see it shut down, but some of these people being attacked, who have never posted here, are not going to have any legal mercy on 24HourCampfire.

No offense, but you're the last phuggin guy that should be talking concerning fabrications, ethics and/or standards.

Shame too, it seems like you're quite knowledgeable on many fronts but the fabrications eat at that credibility.

Try again, Lee.

I am slandering, whom, exactly? And, how, exactly?

Have I ever posted your real name? Nope............... Don't know it, so I couldn't post it.

I did post a list of professional engineers in NC and SC, and as stated above, I believe that you are not on either list. It'd be hard to slander someone who's NOT on a list. Those on the list are not being slandered, as they are, quite simply, not you. And, you're not being slandered, as, quite simply, I don't believe that I'm posting anything false about you (as you sure as hell can't prove anything you've claimed, nor prove anything that I said you CAN'T prove).

I, and others, have continually asked you for proof of your claims.

Post some proof, Lee. Start with the M70, and keep going from there. Some simple, verifiable, proof would go a LONG way.

And, you simply can't do it.

BTW - why are you singling me out? Scorpion has asked the same proof, and called you a liar. So has Matt Williams. So has Art. So have many others. Yet, you're targeting me. That, would be an interesting thing, and me, by name. That, would be an interesting twist, should you find yourself in jeopardy of that which you claim I am doing to you, would it not?

Exactly.
Lee's threats are meaningless, as are his claims to be an engineer.
He just googles stuff up, usually a course syllabus or something off of wiki,and passes that off as engineering knowledge.
Pretty funny, actually.

I know I get a kick out of the guy.
Lee is good for a laugh if nothing else. Sometimes I actually kind of feel sorry for him.

Why don't you just ask my customers, many of which are on this board and know just as well as I do, that you are a pathological liar.

If someone asked me to post a picture of a rifle I owned because they'd never seen one before, and in exchange for that picture, I'd recieve a new rifle worth $800.00-$1,000.00, I, along with anyone else I knew would post it.

I'm surprised with all your engineering background that you haven't simply invented a rollstamping machine to commit the ultimate fraud by now.

How much would you be willing to pay for a true one-of-a-kind from Winchester? Say a Model 70 Stainless Classic Featherweight in a laminate, chambered in 308. That one was never offered, though I can get you a picture.

Let's see................

Who has called Lee a liar, or full of schit?
Myself
Matt Williams
Sitka Deer
Scorpion
isaac
Kamerad_Les
Skane
corelokt
wildswalker
Tom264
ingwe
tzone
himmelr
CLB
MikeNZ
badger
JohnMoses
BMT
340boy
Cheesehunter
CraigCollier
Rancho Loco
RDFinn
jcdixon77
rifle
458 Lott
southtexas
bryguy
rosco1
PaleWhiteCracker
wmeek
260RemGuy
northern dave
darrenk75b
mathman
NH K9
Mag Marc
Pugs
WGM
Colo Wolf

That's 40 folks..........

And, that's just THIS thread................

It's apparently a conspiracy..........(grin)

I'd love to see him blasted with the hydroseeder. I'd smile like heck. ol Lee24 all blue/green colored. makes me laugh just thinking about it.

Do you use the steel of plastic detectable warnings? The plows bust the plastic one's here all to hell, and we've gone to steel on DOT projects, but the paint wears quickly on them as well. Getting better, but I'm sure the salt from the plows has everything to do with it.

It's easy to call someone a liar and stop there.

The problem is, none of you know enough about the subjects to back up your accusations. It's just your childish name calling.

Sometimes it involves bluffing, which is quickly deflated by the facts, and these bullies disappear while another one shows up shouting and insulting, and trying his bluff.

You bluffers always claim to have some expert who says you are right, but you have to keep his name secret. Never mind that you can't discuss the subject, or your "facts" don't match up to common knowledge.

Well, there's one fool that can't.

and with that....hopefully we have the nail in the coffin'.

not a good idea to piss in the cornflakes from which you eat.

How are you going to get a pic out of a guy/girl who won't even answer the question "which university did you graduate from?"

Was hopin' the same thing...

Ingwe

Your so called 'facts' that you post Lee are merely foolish claims about designing systems for Remington,HK, working on the F16, Boeing commercial aircraft,etc.
I have yet to see you publish any facts, pal-just stupid-ass statements about how you used to shoot with Jeff Cooper et all.
Also, how about your idiotic statement about 'jet forces?'

Art, Matt, Sean have all given you numerous opportunties to provide proof, any proof of your claims, but you just sling insults and start talking about how you are so abused-poor baby!


Numerous actual engineers on this forum have given you plenty of chances to back up your bullshit claims with facts or verification of your claims, but you cannot do so.

We should just keep posting this until Rick see it. I'm sure he isn't going to like it much.

Good to quote it, Tzone, as Lee would probably go back and change the original post.

I put that post up there for Rick Bin to see.
I hope someone sends it to him, before these bullies wreck his forum.

I have given Sean, Matt, and others ample opportunity to back up their claims and accusations, but they only post insults, no evidence, no sources for their claims to inside information.

The root source of every one of these vendettas has been someone not liking the OPINION posted by myself, or Jeff_O, or someone else. Then we explain why our experience leads us to that opinion. The next round calls us liars, who really don't have that experience. So we post indisputable experts who have the same opinions we have. We post tests by bullet companies and the military. Instead of apologizing, they vow to get even "next time". But they lack the expertise in the subject matter to do so. All they can do is heap on more insults and lies.

I'll call you a liar because you have no experience in the areas you write about.

JeffO at least puts up pictures, and answers direct questions with answers. he has nothing to do with any of this, so don't try to drag him into to take heat away from your lyin' ass.

You don't answer ANY questions, and you have no picurers of anything.

You are a liar.

Jeff has been called plenty of names but liar isn't one of them. Jeff is actually an open book.

I'm sayin Lee is, not Jeff

One of the curses of being (semi)retired is that you actually have the time to read crap like this!