From a friend who hunted with Elmer near Glenwood Springs, Colo. Around camp my friend saw 2 hawks flying well above camp and circling. He challenged Elmer to try a shot. With a 4" barreled 41 Magnum the first shot missed. My friend made a snide remark then Elmer fired 2 more shots and killed both. My friend has a picture of himself giving Elmer a haircut in a tent on this elk hunt.