A little off topic, story involves deer hunting. Years ago the neighbor and 14 yo son of a good friend of mine were deer hunting in the U.P. They somehow ended up on private land, no fence and unmarked. They ran into the landowner (who was drunk) who told them to GTF off of his land. Mike and his dad turned around and started to walk away. Mike was a cocky little teenager and unarmed. He turned back towards the landowner probably to say something smartazz, the old geezer shot him through the side shattering his spine, lacerating his liver and destroying a kidney. Mike's dad spun around and put five rounds from his 740 into the old geezer. Mike was medivaced out of Kincheleo AFB down to Ann Arbor and survived spending the rest of his life paralyzed from the waist down. His dad was never charged.