I'll just say that for me, the older I get, the easier it is not to be "of the world", to borrow a phrase.

Although I'll admit that people and events tend to drag me back into it on a frequent basis.

I like to listen to *some* of the people who have had a transitional experience between the world and the rest. Most of those who seem genuine go through life with a much different perspective than everybody else.

Interesting speaker: