Some wonder if only trying for foster slug accuracy at 200 feet or 60-70 yds wasn't the best goal in a smooth bore, But if you get it at 20% of the cost you've made a big gain. And most deer here are killed at 30 yards. And putting slugs inside of thickwall wadcups, with corresponding nitro wads under slug to get slug to the front of cup, slug glued in, makes them long and a little more accurate than foster slugs. Reason is the forcing cone in smoothbores. With the long nose, heavy combination of wadcup/slug, the back of the wadcup is in case yet while the front gets into the bore, past the forcing cone, for a straight start. Little better accuracy. Like the accurate US-S smoothbore locked on base slug, that is long. The longer the nose heavy slug/sabot combo is, the truer it flies. And most of these combinations work in brass cases with thick walls like RMC cases. They fit real tight for my cases. Ed