Safariman-I use formula and MBP chart to run pressures, with chrono. My pressures range between 20,000 and 35,000 psi for the Savage bolt action.It has a 3 lug bolthead, and pretty strong for a overgrown shotgun bolt action, and 35,000 is max pressure based on shear rating that I calculated of the lugs with proper safety margin.The powders are all slow,using the case capacity.Here is pic of case next to regular 12ga shell.ED