some may remember but about 5 years ago ray got ran off the AR forums when another deal blew up, the same pattern happened in that case instead of just admitting it was a bad deal and trying to make it right, he dug himself in so deep that in the end he was buried. the bad thing about that deal was someone did pay money and lost it.
some people mention it as the sheephunter event on the AR forums. what ray did was lie low for a year or 2 then come back when the dust settled.
those who are defending ray need to realize there is such thing as history, also keep in mind most people that have really done all the stuff ray claims to have, don't brag about it.
