A couple of observations that I have had. I foot snared a large black bear about 10years ago that was tearing up bee hives. At about 15yds I shot him between the eyes with a 30 30with 150 grain soft points. At the crack of the rifle,the bear collapsed,only to bounce up again. I shot him again in the same place with the same result. I did it a third time and again the bear got up. I them shot him ear to ear with a side shot,and it was dead instantly. The three shots In the forehead,had all hit the skull, mushroomed, and slid upwards between the hide a d skull.Lesson: soft points don't work in the forehead. A solid would have penetrated the skull. On another bear same circumstances,I shot it in the face with a 12 gauge with bb s at 12 yds. The bear was dead instantly with the whole head caved in. Lesson: shot guns really work. Next one will be with 357 solids. Report to follow.