i have had both shoulders rebuilt and my shoulders do have some pain yet, i went with a 257 Weatherby Mag. has less recoil than the big magnums but shoots as far and also has plenty power .most of my friends now have also went with a 257 Weather Mag. for elk and deer we all use either Nosler Partitions or Swift A-Frame bullets.


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