Kinda funny seeing guys that shoot thousands of rounds of centerfire a year and brag about same complaining that it takes 8-10 shots to sight in a Leupold. I've had no trouble with my Leupolds but then I don't give a rats ass about dialing or "banging steel" or shooting anything else at long range. There's no place to shoot that far around here. They hold zero and I kill enough to fill my freezers with venison every season and that's all that matters to me. You live here you learn to hunt. There's no making up for lack of skills there by shooting stuff a half mile away.