Originally Posted by pabucktail
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Originally Posted by roanmtn
. Phil Shoemaker has told us the .270 kills just as fast as any other cartridge with good shot placement. Screw up a shot with a .458 Win Mag..... you've got one hell of a mess. Perhaps the hunter will now be referred to as Claude Balls. If the hunter is ambushed by Mr. Brown Bear, who said he will have time to shoot regardless of the caliber of the weapon he is carrying?

It's not quite that simple.

Phil prefers to guide hunters who bring a .270 or .30-06 (or similarly chambered rifle) they can shoot well rather than a rifle chambered for a more powerful cartridge they can't shoot well. But he prefers larger cartridges to clean up the mess caused by poor shot placement--and while he knows the .30-06 can since he's used it a lot, prefers to carry rifles chambered for larger cartridges when backing up clients.

His favorite is the .458 Winchester Magnum, because even a less-than-perfect hit on a charging bear will usually stop the bear long enough to get another shot in. Lesser cartridges don't do that as reliably--and larger cartridges kick too hard for the shooter to recover from recoil and get another shot off quickly.

I'd like to know how Phil does it, because my recovery time between shots with a .458 or fully stoked .416 is noticeably slower than with the .375 or 9.3. And that's very correct, shooting a grumpy one at 10 yards is just as much about changing his mind immediately as it is about killing him.

I didn't say Phil recovered from .458 recoil as quickly as with a smaller round. He said that for him the .458 provides the best balance between "stopping power" and recoil recovery.


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