Your right, I went off on a rant and didn�t even give my perfect long shot. Well my farthest Game animal was on a Nevada antelope hunt by Sheldon NWR, north of Reno, open ground 475 yards. Even at that comparative short distance ground effects (heat wave, thermal effect) can fool you and your optics. It can distort your view enough to either hold to high or too low using a basic mil dot. I have had to deal with this a lot in the sand box. I apologize if I have upset a few of you. I just get more satisfaction as a hunter to outsmart the game and get in as close as I can without it knowing I�m there, rather than reaching out and touch it from 1000 plus. But to answer the question�..400 on deer size game, and 200 on large game (elk, bear). Too much can go wrong on the big stuff, for long shots.