There are new rules for the game in 2012 and Sarah Palin has already got them figured out. If she is the point guard-she wins.

First off-about the 2012 electoral votes-the coming redistricting will be a big factor and the Tea Party will have their way with it.
With less gerrymandered districts, quite a few of the Republicans who narrowly lost in November are looking good for 2012.

Winning Ohio was big. Illinois, New Mexico, Virginia, Wisconsin�no longer Obama country.
Obama states like California�New York�are also losing population and electoral votes.
Things are looking good for 2012.

Wait-it gets even better�almost everyone that will vote in the 2012 GOP primaries will be making their judgments about the contenders based on what they seeing on FOX news.
According to Dick Morris�in 2010-50% of Republican voters-41% of Independents-21% of Democrats watched FOX news/opinion shows at least 3 times a week.

The folks in the first caucus in Iowa and the first primary in New Hampshire who will narrow the GOP field down to just 2 or 3 contenders are the same folks watching Fox news.
Along with the rest of us they will see and judge all the candidates vetted on Fox News.

More than ever before-we will get a better look at the whole bunch-learn their core values-their vision for the country-how they handle themselves under pressure and answer questions.
We will all-not just the first two small states-pick the GOP winners by how they do on the FOX prime time news/opinion shows.

Of course, Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin have a head start as they have been working for FOX and will have to resign when they throw their hats into the ring.
And Gomer Pyle already thinks Sarah may well run away with the nomination.
Mike is smarter than he looks.

That leaves the rest of the field-many of which are RINOs.
Tea Party don�t need no stinkin� RINOs.
And NOBODY gets the GOP nomination without the Tea Party.

That leaves the non RINOs-mostly younger-newer faces that will be coming on strong and making a big impact-but maybe not in the next few months before the field of contenders is set�

That leaves one more problem-all those negatives-all that baggage that they all carry.
Whomever gets the top spot will have everything including the kitchen sink tossed at them by we-all-know-who.

But wait-when they reach back to grab the sink to toss at Palin-it ain�t there!
Already been tossed and it bounced off.
And Obama people ain�t saying much about �quitters� in Alaska or the US Senate.
They be letting the far Right do that for them.

As for the inevitable new incoming crap-Sarah has got that part figured out too-in these next two years-let the folks see for themselves who you really are.
Just like her Hero and Mentor did-Ron Reagan.

This is where Palin is already pulling ahead with some of the other New Rules.

She knows that a lot of voters don�t watch Fox or any other news/opinion programs.
They watch Dancing with the Stars and TLC reality shows.

Mitt needs to get his �Romney�s Estates� TV series going real soon.
Huckabee needs to get his band back together and on the late night shows.
They have some catching up to do with Prime Time Palin.

And there is a another whole set of New Rules about things called Twitter and Facebook and other stuff I don�t understand but Sarah does�her traffic beats all the others combined.

Twitter: Romney has over 21,000 and Palin has over 300,000 followers.
Facebook: Romney has 750,000 and Palin has 2,500,000 fans.

Don�t forget the book sales-the 2.5 million top best seller of 2009 and her new book which isn�t supposed to do as well as the first book-but it is�

All those stories about the 5-6 hours drives and the 8-12 hour waiting in line for Sarah book signing�don�t remember any stories about the Romney book tour or even Bush like these:

�Terri Batts said she met Palin after her son, who had been stationed in Alaska, Palin, who was governor of Alaska at the time, attended the memorial services.
�I just want to come see her again,� Batts said.
Click-other 500 votes.

And at Dillons in Andover, Kansas-five year Sarah Kester was first in line; thanks to her grandmother who couldn�t say no and held the spot all night.
When Sarah sat down to start signing books and hear the story-she simply took off one of her bracelets and gave it to little Sarah. Invited her to go fishing.
Click-other 1000 votes.

And you betcha your life this stuff is important-you can have the best ideas in the world, but if the vast middle of the road voters don�t take a liking to ya�ask old whatshisname-Ron Paul.
Ask the ghost of Ron Reagan how well it can work�

As for the other stuff that the rest of us think is the important stuff�the Palin Position Papers are starting to flow and under these new rules, they are getting the media coverage, good and bad, that the rest of the field would kill for.

ObamaCare-check
Mid East Wars-check
Border Wars-check
Stimulus bills and Bailouts-check
Qualitative Easing-check
Budgets and reducing general fund spending-check-check
Energy policy and oil spills-check-check-check�

No doubt that all this and more will be bundled and ready as �Palin�s Roadmap to the Contract with American Solutions� Gravitas Package that Sarah will bring to the table when she jumps into the fray.

And there is this little thing about Obama losing his left wing base-dropping in the polls like a rock-even the late night shows poking� him with a stick�

Maybe we will see his new TV show-�Obama�s Chicagoland�
When the left loons run �Jerry Brown�s Moonbeamland� at him in the Dems primaries.

Using the Gallup numbers originally posted by Flyfast to look at the popular vote:
40% conservative
35% moderate
20% liberal
5% �don�t have a clue�

If Obama pulls a Clinton and moves center and the Tea Party wins a few fights in 2011/12 and staves off disaster-I see:
40% conservative for Palin
15/20% split moderates for Palin AND her Tea Party
Judging by the last election that should be maybe 5/30% split.
40+20=60% or more for Palin and Obama loses 5-10% of his pissed off liberal base and some of the undecided that will vote for Jerry Brown or some other leftwing nut.

If Obama hunkers down on the left and Everything goes south:
30% moderate for Palin. Obama gets the other 5% and keeps the 20% liberal and 5% undecided.
70% Palin 30% Obama.

If Obama is benched and they sign Hillary-I see about the same percentages.
She has her baggage too.

Goodbye President Obama�Hullo President Palin!

who-pee

we're saved.

I hope so...

hope!

Change!

Sarah won't run.....doesn't like the pay cut!

this bumb obahma should be Inpeach for not proteching our borders

Well the left just keep turning up the hate talk on Palin. They fear her more than death.

I really like Sarah Palin.

But I would campaign HARD against her.

It would have been different if she had been able to complete two relatively undisturbed terms.

REAGAN needed to serve as President of the Screen Actors Guild and as Governor of California in order to become a strong, wise, seasoned leader.

Palin could have done so if McCain and the MSM had left her to mature and gain experience.

Obama is crappy at being President. A lot of this is due to his complete lack of tough day to day executive politics.

The fact that he is a socialist at heart hurts him. But it is not the source of his failure. He is completely unprepared for the job.

Clinton --though I despise him -- was pretty good at being President. He got stuff done.

Carter, Johnson, and Obama simply suck at being in charge.

Reagan and Bush 43 were good at being in charge.

Palin--unproven with less than 2 years in the statehouse.

BMT

BMT, who's your choice? Tim

The only thought that I have after reading such a loony tune diatribe, is that somebody is Cuckoo for CoCo Puffs...

The term "President Palin" is a scary thing, for criss sakes, you seen how she operates a rifle....some people need to lay off the kool-aid and take a dose of reality, Sarah Palin is not of character or intelligence to lead a country, let alone a hockey-mom bake sale, plain and simple.

She's nice to look at though, I'll give you fruit loops that!!!

No matter what this jackass said.... I like this quote better... Isn't it time for a purge around here?

Don't worry BMT, the GOP will trot out some Clinton or Bush look-a-like in a blue suit and red tie that is capable of mouthing every "God and Country" platitude that one could imagine and people like you will gush all over him.

The end result will be a continuance of the status quo in Washington (big government and big taxes), but you'll love every minute of it because you'll have your Presidential "manikin" with an R after his name on TV all the time telling you to be patient because good times are a coming.

It's funny how people claim they want "change" and when a dynamic, individual like Sarah Palin with new and refreshing ideas comes along they curl up in a fetal position and cry for the same old Ivy League trained, "fiscally conservative/socially liberal" males that have dominated the Republican Party for decades.

There are no "qualifications" that guarantee that one will be a successful President.......you just have to look at the previous (and curent) occupant(s) of the White House to see that.

But when I read all the unsubstantiated criticism of Sarah Palin on this forum, I can't help but think that if she was a MALE.......everything would be different.

Suddenly all the talk of her being "unqualified" would disappear and a "Sam" Palin would now become the savior of the Republican Party.

Think about it..........

Main problem with the OP is the writer assumes little o will be running.

Already had very serious doubts about that but am doubting more and more each day. He's toast. He'll bow out without a word. They'll probably be running the Hillbillary twins.

Whether or not Palin runs is still very much uncertain. I'm hoping she does -- for many reasons. One, it'll comical to see how many from the GOP cheer leading squad who so dearly love and adore that same-old, same-old that Nemisis mentions will have to hold their nose while pulling the lever.

hehe.

I like Sarah. I don't think she can win. I'll vote for her if she makes it past the primary.

You said it better than I..

Funny how so many thought the Liar In Chief was eminently qualified when he spent a total of 115 days in the senate and was a (ooooo!) 'community organizer' - yet a former Governor just can't do it...

I'm sick to death of the old-guard political runners. I will not vote for Huckabee, Romney et al.. At least Palin seems to have some real common sense for a change.. Would I vote for her? Depends on who finally runs and whether I think they can rein in this out-of-contral regime in DC..

The lefties hate Palin because they fear her more than any other potential runner.. Seeing terrified libs is wonderful.

Palin is scary! Plain and simple.
If she gets the GOP nod, Obama or whoever the dems put up will win. As much as a lot of you like or love her, she can't win. She's not strong enough or popular enough to beat Obama.

The GOP needs a strong leader, that has made wise decisions and hadserved more than what Palin has. Look has what inexperience (Obama) has done to this Country and we want more of that?

Sorry guys, I like Palin, but she is no POTUS she's just another politician like most no names that can't win the nod or beat some other inexperienced loser.

Palin is scary? Compared to what? Anybody with eyes wide open the past 2 years has witnessed the most flagrant assault of the Constitution in years. And Palin is scary? And what someone judges a potential presidential candidate by whether she got a carabou with the first shot? A possibly priceless analogy of getting a rifle with a bum scope alighnment, to being duped into MCCain's "hoe" votegetter, she prolly learned a big lesson on who to trust with what. She's geting savy. she learns fast. Would make a good president.

Like I said�

If Obama is benched and they sign Hillary-I see about the same percentages.
She has her baggage too.

And the reason I said it�

What HAS Old Billy Boy been up to and with whom has he been up to it with-since he left the White House and Hillary started taking all those long overseas trips?

And who has been sitting on all these juicy stories-holding them back just in case they are needed for the Democratic Primaries?

Goodbye President Obama�Hullo President Palin!

You could very well be right, Singer.

I reckon we'll find out
And I reckon it ain't gonna get any less interesting, either. 2012 is a long ways off and a lot can happen.

Plus, people don't seem to be so apt to forget as they once were. Or at least I hope not. Show the whole country how Palin flushed out and shot down the good old boy network she walked right into the middle of and they'll be far less apt to listen to the garbage slung by the media.

I think if she runs, she's got a very good chance. Depending on what happens between now and then, might even be the same kind of landslide Reagan enjoyed.
Woulnd't that be a hoot!

In this day & age it takes stage presence & salesmanship to become POTUS...While Palin has the conservative values that made this country great, she is lacking what it takes to be elected President...YOU & I may not like it but that's the way it is...

Palin did not complete her full term as Governor of Alaska.

Obama did not complete his full term as Senator from Illinois.



but which one do the naysayers dwell on?

How long before they roll out Jeb Bush? Not 2012, but the next time? Just askin'.

R.

Although I agree with Palin's political views, I'm not so sure she is the best person for the job.

I'll see what shakes out as we get closer.

JM

My original post, of course, totally disagrees with everything you have just said.
But I gave my reasons why�
And you have not.

I would be interested to know why you think Palin is just another �scary-no name� politician and can�t win�based on her 20 year record, of course�

You're probably right.

She needs to make a music video, appear on a reality show or three and start twittering like mad.

She would be a shoo-in after that.









(That's a comment on America and American voters more than on Mrs. Palin.)

Don't get me wrong, I like Palin. I think she is good for the conservative movement but can't when against Obama. Her and McCain got beat once already by him. I think she was one of the big reason Obama won.
She will get all of the conservative vote (including mine if she got the nod), but won't get all of the moderate vote espeacially the left leaning moderates, won't get all of the "don't have a clue vote" and I am sure she will get none of the liberal vote because they hate her more than they are mad at Obama. The liberals do not want a Woman that is anti abortion, pro gun and pro family in the white house. That being said I am sure if she did get the nod the Dems that didn't show up to vote this year will show up in 2012 just to make sure she didn't win. The district lines will help us in the house and senate but I don't see it doing much for the POTUS election except cali and other lib states losing votes.

If this was a perfect world, your numbers would put her in no doubt, but since its not and her getting the nod would bring out the left, it would be too close to call and I think she gets beat.

To get rid of Obama in 2012, we need a moderate conservative (if there is such a thing) that can draw some votes from the left, but still conservative enough to keep the conservative values and fire up the conservative base while not pi$$ing off the left moderates too much to hopefully get the votes from those angry at Obama. Palin can't do that.

Just my opinion and I hope I am wrong, but if she gets the nod I see 4 more years of Dem controlled white house regardless if its Obama or Hilary. Unless the Dem primary race is so ugly and brutal that they destroy each other to the point the party falls apart which would be nice!

Sam Blackburn in 2020. Senator and now Governor. Give him 2 terms to prove himself up.

Jindal has the most promise after working his way up from the House and now as Governor. Solid values. Solid experience. Very Smart. Good International presence.

A Solid Western Governor with military experience would be great--I don't know of any though.

Maybe a US General with a good record in the sandbox as a VP would be helpful.

BMT

See what I mean???

Posted earlier by Nemesis:

"Don't worry BMT, the GOP will trot out some Clinton or Bush look-a-like in a blue suit and red tie that is capable of mouthing every "God and Country" platitude that one could imagine and people like you will gush all over him.

The end result will be a continuance of the status quo in Washington (big government and big taxes), but you'll love every minute of it because you'll have your Presidential "manikin" with an R after his name on TV all the time telling you to be patient because good times are a coming.

It's funny how people claim they want "change" and when a dynamic, individual like Sarah Palin with new and refreshing ideas comes along they curl up in a fetal position and cry for the same old Ivy League trained, "fiscally conservative/socially liberal" males that have dominated the Republican Party for decades."

Who in 2012?

I can't think of anybody right now.

I meant Jindal + US General is best guess.

Blackburn is best longterm (If he holds up).

BMT

With that clear thinking we would have to impeach every president for the past 20+ years! Don't stop there lets nail some judges and every govenor of every state along the border as well(for the past 20 years) If you don't like some on impeach them! Stupid! [b][/b]

Nem,

I never said I want what you had posted earlier. I am saying we need someone with strong conservative values with the ability to still be able to draw votes from the left. That might come from a sorta moderate right. However we can agree we don't want him/her too close to the middle.

Palin is too far right and we all know too far to one side is never good.

Example, take a look at Gov Jan Brewer here in AZ. She pi$$ed off the whole world with SB1070, she pi$$ed off a lot here in AZ with a 1 cent tax hike to help balance the books, she has cut a ton of programs and made a lot of enemies, yet she still managed to slaughter Terry Goddard in the Gov race.
That is the type of person we need for President. I don't think she has enough experience or know how to be president, but someone like her that can pi$$ off so many people while doing the right thing and still getting elected is what we need from the GOP to get rid of the current admin that is ruining this country.

Thats the type we need not a "Clinton or Bush look-a-like in a blue suit and red tie that is capable of mouthing every "God and Country" platitude that one could imagine" that you think I want or any other person on here wants. I'm just saying what I think we need besides Palin. I hope my example using our Gov here in AZ clarifies what I meant.

"President Palin" has a nice ring to it�rolls off the tongue rather well�

And she really knows her way around a bolt gun after her Dad lets go and backs off�
Plain to see that�seen her do the same thing semi-auto in videos from a couple of army rifle ranges�

No leadership character or intelligence?
You forgot to give your reasons why you think so.

But, then Trolls never do�

Bowsinger:

Lets just look at the easy stuff: You have a starting QB who has a record pulling him/herself out of the game when he/she receives a hard. Your QB complains that they are being mean to me! 4 years later the same QB now wants to be elevated to the coach position, what does your gut tell you about this quitter? Will they be there when the press starts ti be mean to the QB/Coach?


I love sport metaphors!

Not Quilifed by history of quitting. Understand now?

This guy would be a great VP

+1..Although if it comes down to Palin vs Democrap, I'll vote Palin.

Bowsinger, I'm with ya! While I know it would not be an easy task, it needs to be done. But, we do NOT want the established RINOS getting anywhere close. There are not many candidates that are not part of the RINOS, they cannot in any way command the presence of Sarah!

She doesn't stand a chance and is not ready for the job.

We need to wise up and nominate an electable candidate with brains and experience.

It all depends on where you a looking from doesn't it?

If you are looking from the far left........then sure, Sarah Palin appears to be "far right."

But if you are looking from the "right".............(as every good Conservative should be) then Sarah appears to be just perfect!

It's all a matter of perspective don't ya' see?

Sarah Palin is a champion of smaller, less intrusive government, is pro business, does not believe in wealth redistribution, is a hunter and fisherman and strongly supports gun rights and the Second Ammendment.

She is a good administrator and has demonstrated her belief in God and family and actively opposes the wholesale slaughter of the unborn that is currently going on in this country.

What more could a true Conservative ask for in a candidate for the Presidency.

Huh?

Brains...experience... for starters.

How about some examples of Sarah Palin's lack of intelligence (or brains as you put it) and while you're at it, please share with us what "experience" you feel is necessary for the job of POTUS.

Thanks.........

If you neo-cons merge any farther to the right you head will be stuck up your AS$

Thanks for the constructive thoughts.

We be disagreeing on a couple of things�

The success of strong conservatives like Reagan winning landslide elections vs. middle roaders like Bush almost losing to Gore.

I don�t know about the conservative record of Gov Jan Brewer, but you have to look at the blond hair to tell her from Gov. Sarah Palin on the Border issues. Sarah has backed Jan all the way.

�It�s time for Americans across this great country to stand up and say, �We�re all Arizonans now,� � Palin said. �And in clear unity we say, �Mr. President, do your job. Secure our borders.� � Sarah Palin May 15, 2010

And there are Alaskans here on Campfire that say Gov. Palin�s record was not conservative enough! That she also raised taxes.

Your point about needing all those votes from the middle is well taken.

Ron Reagan did it by reaching out OVER and bypassing the MSM-the big three networks news in those days-and reaching folks directly.

As I point out in my OP-this is what Palin is doing under the new rules of the game.

This week our little point guard in on the cover of Time and tonight-on the Barbara Walters Top 10 Show.
This weekend she is supposed to go to Haiti with Franklin Graham and his relief organization Samaritan�s Purse.

And for the Gravitas crowd-a new piece in the Wall Street Journal on why she supports the Ryan Roadmap.

The Beat goes on�

Nem,

She did a great job of making an a$$ out of herself to everyone but the extreme right.
The bridge to nowhere thing didn't help her any. He daughter doesn't help. Her debates didn't do much for her. Kinda sad when you make Joe Biden look smart.
I am a strong conservative and have strong conservative beliefs. I am very far right. Palin is beyond right. I gotta call it how I see it and I see it that she can't win. AZ gov Brewer has a better chance because she has experience that Palin lacks and I even think she couldn't win.

Experience in more than being mayor of a tiny town, experience in more than being a partial term Gov., Experience in world issues, Experience in what is going on in the lower 48 states. Smart enough to not stick her foot in her mouth. Smart enough to lead this great country without training wheels. We already see with Obama what inexperience can do to this country. And we want more inexperience?

She is very great to us who are pro gun, pro outdoors, anti abortion, pro God, Pro Country. I like the lady. But I don't think she is good enough to win. She should have stayed governor and got some more experience and learned some stuff and proven how conservative she really is. Maybe then she could have gained the experience to be POTUS.

That's a nice soundbite, but if Palin is serious about being President, it would be preferrable for her to plainly declare that, if elected, she would secure the border and describe exactly how she would do it.

Bow,

I hope you are right on this. Very well written post!
Ron Reagan was a great leader. Palin is no Reagan. Do you think she can be in action other than words?

Of all the sound solid reasons why Governor Palin resigned that have been posted here on the �Fire-over and over again-this is the best�

Someone named Jesse Cornish responded with this and I posted it here:

�That echoes a lot of mine own thoughts. Like any wise military commander, she retreated from an untenable position where she was simply getting pummeled and possessed little capability of striking back. She then regrouped and launched a counteroffensive that surprised an overconfident enemy who already thought they had won. She stands victorious and in a far stronger position to effect positive change and elect commonsense conservatives. She truly is warrior for the conservative cause and while others hunker in the trenches, protected from enemy fire, she braves no man�s land and storms the enemy lines.�

Well said-indeed.

Second place goes to:
�A Palin aide was quoted as saying Palin was "no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do. Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself.�

Tied for second:
�Well she could have just stayed in office like Kerry, Clinton, Obama or Gore and took her pay for doing nothing like the others did. But maybe if you write a book travel around get a little exposure on you own dime and some private help rather than forcing the tax payer to pay the bill again. Hmm a novel idea one that scares the crap out of the left doing it on your own. No the lefty's want the free ride and this is chiding them too the bone.�

Something more than city government and quitting in mid-term as Gov...as experience.

I like Sarah, but I don't feel she has the knowledge and experience to survive in Washington or in a hostile and dangerous world.

She does have guts and determination. If she hadn't chickened out as Gov, and she had a better grasp of foreign policy I might consider her a viable candidate. She isn't yet ready...if ever.

Nominate someone who doesn't need on-the-job training. We're struggling through that problem right now.

One thing I think people should keep in mind amid all this harping on experience is Palin is more apt to surround herself with quality advisers than dingleBarry.

Anyone think that in his shoes she'd be listening to G Sorros or Mexico's president or Venezuela's or terrorists turned college professor or Pelosi or......... (ad infinitum)

Personally I don't believe the experience argument adds up to near the importance that many think it does. She can be brought up to speed on important issues as well as the history that brought things to their current point concerning them. Then she can be trusted to make decisions based on her long history common sense, strong character, knowing right from wrong and patriotism to country. Not so with Obama. Obviously.

On the job training works too. Pretty sure everyone agree she'd quickly roll up her sleeves and get right to work without giving it a second thought.

What's even better about her, as I've often said, is she'll get right after corruption on either side of the aisle, also without giving it a second thought. She has a history of going afterr such with a fervor! Certainly nothing to fault about that, now is there. It'd be a refreshing and welcomed change. Yes it would.

It's the same ol same crap they used against Reagan. They must have been right then too LOL.

Sorry-my Bad- I meant this as a reply to luv2safari

So-there are some things in your post I don�t understand.

�She does have guts and determination� but Sarah �quitting in mid-term as Gov�
and �chickened out as Gov�

?????

Maybe-just maybe-to use your own words-Sarah had good reasons and did the smart thing-the right thing for Alaska and her family.
And the nation-did you notice her role in the 2010 election?

$500,000 in legal bills in just one year to defend yourself against nothing but crap?
Way past time to change the rules and I started this thread about how Sarah understands and is doing quite well using all the new rules of the game.


So-what part of my previous post about �quitting� didn�t you/don�t you understand?

Let me try again and add one more quote:

�When Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, she confronted three problems. The political coalition on which she had based her governorship -- a combination of Democrats and renegade "Palinista" Republicans -- had, needless to say, collapsed. Her critics were using Alaska's tough ethics laws to launch investigations into her behavior, sapping her finances and her energy. Finally, every time she traveled to the Lower 48, Alaskans criticized her for putting her political interests above the state's.
Palin's solution was to resign. Her agenda stood a better chance of passing if then-Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, who shared Palin's goals, succeeded her as governor. As a private citizen, meanwhile, Palin could make enough money to pay her legal bills. And she would no longer be accused of neglecting her official duties.�

So-there are some other things in your post I don�t understand.

If Governor Palin is writing all those Ed-Op columns about foreign policy and everything else for the WSJ and others�and the Editors all say she is writing the gist of it herself�with less professional writing help than most of the politicians that appear under their banner�did you read about Sarah�s speech in Hong Kong last year?

Why is Sarah the one not ready and needs on-the-job training?
Show me a contender that is more ready and please show me why you think so.

Reagan has DECADES of experience over Sarah (as governor and in the Screen Actors Guild negotiating with hardened businessmen).

Margaret Thatcher also was seasoned warrior.

Sarah is talented. That is not Enough. She need several seasons working with the Legislature, Executive agencies, and businesses to be POTUS, though.

BMT

Here is another nice sound bite for Bristoe.

E-mail question from TIME's Jay Newton-Small to Sarah Palin:

What do you think of Obama's presidency thus far?

�Two words: Jimmy Carter.�

Slamming the opposition is easy for anybody in politics because the situation sucks and has for quite some time.

The question I want answered from Palin and anyone else who throws their hat in the ring is:

What-are-you-going-to-do?

And like the man on the game show says, "Be specific please".

Palin could not find Hong Kong on a map!

With over 25 months to go before the next president is sworn in office and nobody-even you-knowing just how bad things may be by then�but all of us agreeing it ain�t looking good�all a private citizen without vote or veto except on election day-including Sarah Palin-can do is voice specific opinion and recommendations..

Everything that Obama and the Democratic Congress have done or tried to do-Palin has answered with chapter & verse.

Tons of stuff on Obamacare and what a good healthcare plan should be.
Tons of stuff on other stuff�

On the Border and illegal immigration-Sarah has specifically backed Gov. Jan Brewer and Gov. Perry. What else can a private citizen or even a Governor of Alaska do?

Last week Palin specifically said that the extension of the unemployment benefits $150 B price tag to save the tax rates reductions-sucked. She would have voted against the deal-if she had a vote and she didn�t.

As for What-are-you-going-to-do about whatever-will-be on Jan. 20. 2012-Palin said this week on Time Magazine:

If you won the presidency what would be the first things you'd do in office?

�The first priority of the next Republican president should be to sign a bill for the repeal and replacement of Obamacare with true free-market, patient-centered reform. Obamacare's repeal would help to cut future deficits. It would also send a strong signal to America's workers and employers that government is back on their side and is no longer seeking to impose its one-size-fits-all "solutions" from above. Other priorities would obviously be a real plan for domestic energy development that doesn't ignore conventional resources while we actively pursue the next big breakthrough in renewable energy. I'd also look for entitlement reform, as well as a system-wide audit of government spending with a goal to move us toward zero-based budgeting practices and ultimately a balanced budget. We need to start really living within our means. As any mother or father will tell you, you don't spend what you don't have. And if the argument against this is that the government is too big and unruly to even consider such an audit, then I say that that alone is all the proof you need that our government has grown completely out of control and desperately needs to be reined in.�

As for the next day and afterwards-last week in Palin�s Op-Ed at the Wall Street Journal-she says while it ain�t perfect Rep. Paul Ryan�s Roadmap for America�s Future is the best she has seen so far�you may want to shoot the messenger-but Paul Ryan is specific.

Ryan will be looking for a new job in 2012 and Sarah may just have one for him.

Hey dipschit.........

Sarah wants to say a couple of things to ya':

Your right-Governor Reagan was 69 years old when he became President Reagan.

But his Screen Actors Guild experience negotiating with �hardened businessmen� seems a little thin compared to what Sarah did as head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

O yeah, she had to resign �quit� that job too as Alaska State law barred Palin from speaking out publicly about ethical violations and corruption.

Then she joined forces with Attorney General Gregg Renkes-the FBI came in-and some big name Republicans went down the tubes.

Then as Governor she finished what she had started-got her oil and gas pipeline deal going again-and those tough hardened Big Oil businessmen never knew what hit them.

Is your head so deep in the sand as to believe she wrote any of her speeches and columns by herself. She is the front person and marketer.

Sarah would loose in a landslide against the Magic One. I watched the same thing happen in NV with Reid and Angel. We need an electable candidate with similar values. Palin isn't it. There is no substitute for age and experience.

Perhaps you forgot that President Reagan had two terms as Governor of the largest state in the union? Also I could be wrong but I don't remember that he ever quit mid-term.

I thought he was Governor of California.

I am probably wrong and will stand corrected if I am but last I checked California was the largest state in union. Now one thing I know for certain it is much larger than Alaska.

Large does refer to actual size, right

State Area Ranking Area (square miles, including water)
Alaska 1 656,425 square miles
Texas 2 268,601 square miles
California 3 163,707 square miles
Montana 4 147,046 square miles
New Mexico 5 121,593 square miles
Arizona 6 114,006 square miles
Nevada 7 110,567 square miles
Colorado 8 104,100 square miles
Oregon 9 98,386 square miles
Wyoming 10 97,818 square miles
State

Probably population and economy...the world's 7th largest economy at that time.

In square miles:

656,425 size of Alaska compared to other states
268,601 size of Texas compared to other states
163,707 size of California compared to other states

Just checked California is the largest state. Alaska is around third smallest, Montana, North Dakota, and New Hampshire are smaller. Hell, California has dozens of cities and counties larger than Alaska.

Hate to break this to you but square miles don't vote. Run that by population and see where Alaska ranks.

The "Governor" of a 700,000 population city in California would be called Mayor, and would have as much political horsepower as the mayor of Wasilla Ak.

LOL But California still suxs more.

Nevertheless what I say is true.

Which made the job Ronnie did there even more amazing and overshadows Palins puny record of achievements. She needs more years of real experience.

Palin's path to be president was to win the last election and have McCain keel over in the first time.

That didn't pan out so the time has passed.

You are absolutely correct. However, most who use English as a first language connect any reference to largest, without any qualifiers, to size alone.
You didn't say largest population, you only said largest.
You were wrong, but that's nothing new.

I'd love to see her lure the likes of Victoria Toensing and Linda Chavez back before the ol' backstop again � beautiful patriots with brains and principles.

Either one would launch the screaming Left far out beyond Mars without the need for any rocket-assist. Just the idea alone warms both the cockle burrs of my heart and the heart � �

Toensing's husband, Joe DiGenova, wouldn't be a liability, either.

The problem might be how to persuade 'em to don the ol' bullseyes again.

You are so full of crap!

hey Walt/pot, you notice how black that kettle is?

And what would this "experience" be if I may ask?

How do you explain the fact that there have been numerous past Presidents with every type of "experience" you could imagine and they still failed miserbly?

If you want to oppose Sarah Palin's candidacy, it seems to me ya' gotta challenge her on her record and her position on the current issues facing this country.......... and then compare and contrast them with others that may be vying for the job.

Ya' know?

Who is "full of crap"? Surely you could not be referring to me.

The big three federal budget busters are:

Defense

Social Security

Medicare/Medicaid

The budget deficit for this year is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 trillion dollars. The national debt is nearing the 14 trillion dollar mark.

Without *deep* cuts to the above mentioned budget busters, there will be no meaningful reduction in the annual budget deficit and the national debt will continue to escalate at an alarming, unsustainable rate.

There can be no recovery as long as the wealth of the nation is bleeding out at the current rate,...and it will continue to bleed out until spending on the big 3 is shut down.

No one who gets elected will shut it down.

Even if they did, it would pretty much amount to the elimination of the boomer generation,..which is due to totally clobber Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid much *much* harder over the next 20 years,...so, a collapse is inevitable.

Taking in the situation as a whole,...the only logical conclusion is to live for today.

Tomorrow gonna suck.

And don't forget "defense" includes invading foreign countries
Not just defense of the USA

My point is,...if you're above age 40 or so, there's just no relief for you.

Not fixing the problem is going to hammer you, and fixing the problem is going to hammer you.

Vote for whoever you want, but their choices can be boiled down to 1 of 2 paths,..and either of them is going to mean serious pain for at least a couple of generations,..maybe much longer,...maybe forever.

Personally all that more "experiece" will get us is someone more and more disconnected from the vast majority of Americans. Yeah I'd rather have some polished political hack that has spent the majority of their life in "politics". One more McCain RINO to trott out to try to appeal to the masses... blah blah blah, makes me want to puke.

I'll take someone that doesn't just "feel our pain", but has actually experienced it. Someone that shares our values and passions, and will use that experience to make decisions. I'll take someone that will surround themselves with knowledgeable people, with character, that share their values.

One doesn't need a vast amount of "experience" to know right from wrong, and to know what Freedom, and Liberty mean to Americans.

Yeah, I wish Palin had been able to serve out her term as governor, but do the people that use that against her have any understanding of the thousands, and potentially millions of dollars that the unending string of baseless accusations, and lawsuits cost the state of Alaska and the Palins personally??? How many of you could afford $500,000 in legal fees to defend yourself against absurd accusations? Also note that the never ending lawsuits stopped completely when she resigned.

I'm not saying that Palin is the end all, be all, but show me who else is out there that even comes close.

There is however, one last best hope,...if the people wake up very soon and act on it.

Nullification.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Nullification.shtml

An excerpt: (but click the link and read it all)

Washington is out of control. It does as it likes, without restraint. It spends American money and American lives to fight remote wars for which it cannot provide a plausible reason. It determines what our children will be taught, who we can hire and fire, to whom we can sell our houses, whether we can defend ourselves, even what names we can call each other. The feds read our email and track the web sites we visit, make us hop around barefoot in airports at the command of surly unaccountable rentacops. They search us at random in train stations without even a pretense of probable cause. We have no influence over them, no way of resisting.

Except, perhaps, to ignore them.

Washington has learned to insulate itself from interference by the population. Huge impenetrable bureaucracies beyond public control make regulations that amount to laws, spending God knows how much money to do God knows what for the benefit of the interest groups that run the government. These bureaucrats cannot be fired and usually cannot be named. Congress, like the bureaucracies, serves not the United States but the big lobbies. The looters of Wall Street wreck the lives of millions, and get millions in bonuses for doing it instead of the end of a rope.

That rather sounds like something I recently posted.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...Re_Repeal_the_16th_amendment#Post4689670

Ya...I do know. She isn't qualified and would loose just like Angel did to Reid...Ya know?

I laugh my azz off here when the rational arguments get to insults and name calling. The liberals laugh theirs off, too.

Nominate someone electable and scare their miserable azzes. Palin isn't the one, sorry. I suppose to the diaper set here, she seems mature and worldly. She isn't.

Not arguing, but you left out "interest on existing debt"

If we think it is high at 4%, wonder what the dollar amount per year would be at 11% or 18%?

Sycamore

MF,....


I've been pretty happy standing aside as the futility of the argument seems to go right over the head of those on the right. You give it to them point blank but I guarantee the leg humpers on the right will turn a blind eye just as much as those who live in La La land on the left.


Pretty much proves the point folks would rather take part in partisan politics rather than face the reality of the situation we face that we are where we are because both parties have had an almost equal hand in fuggin' the American people for their own benefit.


..I mean,..how blind do people really have to be to think our situation should be laid at the feet of the 'other side'? Do they really believe one side is Snow White when they get elected to office and not the self serving, self righteous white shirts like those on the left that get corrupted by power and self preservation as soon as they hit the curbs of DC?


...Friggin' clueless. Ain't no sense in trying to install any common sense in folks who are just as guilty of the brainwashing they get as those who live in Fantasy Land on the other side.


I ain't got no fancy education but sure as hell, I can think for myself and have enough common sense to know where my screwing is coming from. My advise is to live as far away from people as possible because the majority of them are too friggin' stupid too think for themselves and would rather let some smug white shirt politician tell them what is happening and what caused it than to take the 2 minutes to figure it out for themselves.

Yeah,...but it's a coping mechanism,.and the politicians know how to tap into it.

It's not a coincidence that every winning campaign slogan for the past 3 decades can be boiled down to "HOPE!" and "CHANGE!"

Obama just chose to leave it at that.

I can just hear his campaign manager,..."Fuggit, man,..ain't no need in getting all wordy about it. Just say hope and change."

lol


Yeah and each side gets all in a frenzy thinking it will make some sort of difference.
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Not sure why you even bother pointing it out anymore. Buy yourself one of those nice pieces of Kentucky land deep in the woods and get as far away from folks as you can.

I promise you,.....if you do,....you'll care even less than you do now(if you care at all) of your're countrymen's irrational stupidity.

I'm hoping that before you go off calling your fellow countrymen stupid,you have that pond of yours filled up by now.

When I'm tying a good one one, I call folks a lot more than stupid. Of course the context and tone I do it in helps get more more smirks than fists directing in my direction(thankfully,..I can't fight worth a dam).


...and the ponds about 2/3rds full.

Good on ya',Noah!! Got your fish in,yet?

I don't all that much,....but occasionally when people start touting this candidate or that candidate, I feel compelled to ask:

"Do they got 14 fuggin' trillion dollahs ta donate to the cause? If they don't, you better find somebody to vote fer dat DO.

You mean when you got to insults like this?

�Is your head so deep in the sand as to believe she wrote any of her speeches and columns by herself.�

After I had posted this?
If Governor Palin is writing all those Ed-Op columns about foreign policy and everything else for the WSJ and others�and the Editors all say she is writing the gist of it herself�with less professional writing help than most of the politicians that appear under their banner�did you read about Sarah�s speech in Hong Kong last year�

And you posted-nothing? I have a lot more back up if you ever come with anything �

�Sarah would loose in a landslide against the Magic One.�

Is that the best you got? Your idea of a �rational argument?�

After I started this tread with 4 pages of reasons why and how Palin could beat Obama including this?
And there is this little thing about Obama losing his left wing base-dropping in the polls like a rock-even the late night shows poking� him with a stick�

Maybe we will see his new TV show-�Obama�s Chicagoland�
When the left loons run �Jerry Brown�s Moonbeamland� at him in the Dems primaries.

Using the Gallup numbers originally posted by Flyfast to look at the popular vote:
40% conservative
35% moderate
20% liberal
5% �don�t have a clue�

If Obama pulls a Clinton and moves center and the Tea Party wins a few fights in 2011/12 and staves off disaster-I see:
40% conservative for Palin
15/20% split moderates for Palin AND her Tea Party
Judging by the last election that should be maybe 5/30% split.
40+20=60% or more for Palin and Obama loses 5-10% of his pissed off liberal base and some of the undecided that will vote for Jerry Brown or some other leftwing nut.

If Obama hunkers down on the left and Everything goes south:
30% moderate for Palin. Obama gets the other 5% and keeps the 20% liberal and 5% undecided. 70% Palin 30% Obama.

And you posted-nothing.

You're forgetting the reason the left is turning on little o. He'll be replace by one the left will all get behind. Probably Clinton.

I'm guessing it'll be another standard issue left(whacko) vs right(neocon) election. I hope I'm wrong and there's an actual conservative that'll run a "hack to government back down to size and quit spending like drunk sailors" campaign but I'm not holding my breath.

Whatver the case, it's gonna be fun to watch!

Dream on. All the poles show her double digits behind Obama right now, and he is at his lowest approval rating ever.

H@ll, I don't want the Magic One back as much as anybody. Palin simply can't beat him. She proved a negative in the last election.

McCain would have been Prez, had he chosen someone with better background in world and domestic politics. The "Stump the Palin" interviews by the MSM were murder for the campaign. All poles said it, and so did the electorate. Many women can't stand her...ones who would vote Republican ordinarily. Her fingers-on-a-chalkboard voice is a killer, too.

I have absolutely no fault with her message and find her refreshingly honest. I can't fathom her winning the top job, however.

There are few things more useless that 2010 polls about who can win in 2012.

For example: the slanted left leaning McClatchy-Marist poll has shown that Palin has cut the Gap between her and Obama in half��

And over on the Daily Kos polls:
Palin is in the lead nationally-up by 3 over Romney:

Palin 21%
Gingrich 19%
Romney 18%
Huckabee 16%
Paul 5%
Pawlenty 5%
Thune 3%
Daniels 2%

And in just Montana-up by a lot more:

Palin 23%
Huckabee 22%
Gingrich 16%
Romney 12%
Paul 9%
Pawlenty 3%
Thune 3%
Daniels 2%

�This poll is further evidence that Mitt Romney has absolutely fallen apart. In 2008, Romney won Montana by a 38-25 margin over Ron Paul. Today, he's running far behind Governor Palin despite the fact that Montana's Republican electorate is comprised of a large percentage of Mormons.�

BOW...
I really believe that nobody on that list will be nominated in the end. I think it may be a dark horse who captures imaginations and excitement. It will be someone with a more universal appeal and probably a bit more center right than you wish for. I don't like the idea of center-right, but it beats Marxist-left.

My point is finding a candidate who doesn't have the narrow appeal of Palin and doesn't have her baggage. The successful "stump-the-Palin" interviews of 2008 will keep biting her in the butt.

She might make a decent Sec of the Interior.

Like I said-I started this post with 4 pages of why Governor Palin is the strongest possible candidate for 2012-Chapter and Verse.
About the growing broad appeal of Palin and why she has the best shot at the nomination and Beating Obama.
Sarah and her Tea Party will do what they did this year.
They will beat Obama like a rented mule.

You have posted nothing that has proven me wrong about anything I said.
You have no candidate with a better record or chance of beating Obama.
You have no dark horse that is going to ride up in the next six months and overtake Palin.

As always-I provide back up-This weeks Time Magazine:

�Palin has time on her side. Her popularity among conservatives means that she can wait until the last minute � perhaps as late as a year from now � before jumping into the Republican sweepstakes. And she could raise millions of dollars overnight. A number of veteran GOP operatives think she could win the nomination, even if polls today give her no chance of beating Obama. If Palin does run, "there would be excited thunder from the grass roots, celebration in the White House and despair among GOP leaders," says Mike Murphy, a longtime Republican consultant.

But Palin thinks Obama is vulnerable, and she implies that she is the one to take him on. "In battleground states, he's polling at 40% or below," she notes. "The country is rejecting his agenda ... My vision of America is diametrically opposed to his. He sees America as the problem. I see America as the solution." Asked what she makes of Obama's presidency thus far, Palin quipped, "Two words: Jimmy Carter." Asked who can beat him, she needed seven more: "Someone who can draw a sharp contrast.��

By and large, Tea Party candidates didn't fare so well. Ours in NV got her clock cleaned by a wounded incumbent. The Rea Party backed candidates win primaries, but that is just the opening skirmish in a big war.

If she gets nominated, I'll work hard for her. I just don't think it will happen. You seem to think I am anti-Palin. I'm not. I am anti-Obama, and I want the best possible candidate out there to get rid of him. In my opinion, and that of many professional politicians, she can't beat him.

The Reid bunch were overjoyed when the Tea Party got Sharon Angel nominated. They'll be just as happy if Palin is our candidate. I still believe the nomination will go to someone that we've not mentioned yet. I do think Rubio will be on the ticket as #2, and Romney won't be a player.

Meanwhile the Beat Goes On!

Governor Palin was invited this weekend by Rev. Franklin Graham and his organization, Samaritan's Purse for a look-see at the mess in Haiti.
Also invited by Franklin Graham was Greta Van Susteren who has covered his trips before.

I hate to bust the bubbles of any of the Sarah Snipers here on the �Fire who somehow know that she can�t write a lick-but in Haiti Sarah spoke at a press conference without help from any writers or other staff members or even a teleprompter�

�I do urge Americans not to forget Haiti...Haiti has been a country that has suffered in the past, that's going to continue to suffer until some fundamental changes are being made here.. God created man to work, to produce, to be able to contribute and to take care of one's own family and one's own community.�

,...but what's her plan for reducing the national debt, reducing unemployment, and funding Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid?

Specifically,..what does she plan to do if elected President and how does she plan to accomplish those tasks?

You haven't heard either, eh?

Think you can wait to hear what she says on her campaign or in some other appropriate venue, or do you expect her to reply to your posts?

lol,...It'll be interesting to hear her plan in *any* venue.

But being the politician that she obviously is, I don't expect to hear any specifics either now *or* later.

Getting into specifics isn't condusive to successful campaigns in times like these.

Palin likes Paul Ryan's plan.

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Palin-Ryan-Debt-Plan/2010/12/13/id/379740

Yeah,..I saw that page also.

She just says she'll do whatever Paul Ryan says to do.

Paul Ryan voted for the bank bailout.

Palin voiced approval of it, also. She also said that she was in favor of a "path to citizenship" for illegals.

Of course, she's renounced both of those positions as of late.

As I said,...she knows how the political game is played.

Yep!

Last Saturday I specifically replied to your specific question here on this thread�

With over 25 months to go before the next president is sworn in office and nobody-even you-knowing just how bad things may be by then�but all of us agreeing it ain�t looking good�all a private citizen without vote or veto except on election day-including Sarah Palin-can do is voice specific opinion and recommendations..

Everything that Obama and the Democratic Congress have done or tried to do-Palin has answered with chapter & verse.
Tons of stuff on Obamacare and what a good healthcare plan should be.
Tons of stuff on other stuff�

On the Border and illegal immigration-Sarah has specifically backed Gov. Jan Brewer and Gov. Perry. What else can a private citizen or even a Governor of Alaska do?

Last week Palin specifically said that the extension of the unemployment benefits $150 B price tag to save the tax rates reductions-sucked. She would have voted against the deal-if she had a vote and she didn�t.

As for What-are-you-going-to-do about whatever-will-be on Jan. 20. 2012-Palin said this week on Time Magazine:

If you won the presidency what would be the first things you'd do in office?

�The first priority of the next Republican president should be to sign a bill for the repeal and replacement of Obamacare with true free-market, patient-centered reform. Obamacare's repeal would help to cut future deficits. It would also send a strong signal to America's workers and employers that government is back on their side and is no longer seeking to impose its one-size-fits-all "solutions" from above. Other priorities would obviously be a real plan for domestic energy development that doesn't ignore conventional resources while we actively pursue the next big breakthrough in renewable energy. I'd also look for entitlement reform, as well as a system-wide audit of government spending with a goal to move us toward zero-based budgeting practices and ultimately a balanced budget. We need to start really living within our means. As any mother or father will tell you, you don't spend what you don't have. And if the argument against this is that the government is too big and unruly to even consider such an audit, then I say that that alone is all the proof you need that our government has grown completely out of control and desperately needs to be reined in.�

As for the next day and afterwards-last week in Palin�s Op-Ed at the Wall Street Journal-she says while it ain�t perfect Rep. Paul Ryan�s Roadmap for America�s Future is the best she has seen so far�you may want to shoot the messenger-but Paul Ryan is specific.

Ryan will be looking for a new job in 2012 and Sarah may just have one for him.

I�m still agreeing with what Sarah said last week in her Op-Ed at the Wall Street Journal:

�In my view, a better plan is the Roadmap for America�s Future produced by Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wisc.). The Roadmap offers a reliable path to long-term solvency for our entitlement programs, and it does so by encouraging personal responsibility and independence.

On health care, it would replace ObamaCare with a new system in which people are given greater control over their own health-care spending. It achieves this partly through creating medical savings accounts and a new health-care tax credit�the only tax credit that would be left in a radically simplified new income tax system that people can opt into if they wish.

The Roadmap would also replace our high and anticompetitive corporate income tax with a business consumption tax of just 8.5%. The overall tax burden would be limited to 19% of GDP (compared to 21% under the deficit commission�s proposals). Beyond that, Rep. Ryan proposes fundamental reform of Medicare for those under 55 by turning the current benefit into a voucher with which people can purchase their own care.
On Social Security, as with Medicare, the Roadmap honors our commitments to those who are already receiving benefits by guaranteeing all existing rights to people over the age of 55. Those below that age are offered a choice: They can remain in the traditional government-run system or direct a portion of their payroll taxes to personal accounts, owned by them, managed by the Social Security Administration and guaranteed by the federal government. Under the Roadmap�s proposals, they can pass these savings onto their heirs. The current Medicaid system, the majority of which is paid for by the federal government but administered by the states, would be replaced by a block-grant system that would reward economizing states.
Together these reforms help to secure our entitlement programs for the 21st century. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the Roadmap would lead to lower deficits and a much lower federal debt. The CBO estimates that under current spending plans, our federal debt would rise to 87% of GDP by 2020, to 223% by 2040, and to 433% by 2060. Under Rep. Ryan�s Roadmap, the CBO estimates that debt would rise much more slowly, peaking at 99% in 2040 and then dropping back to 77% by 2060.
Put simply: Our country is on the path toward bankruptcy. We must turn around before it�s too late, and the Roadmap offers a clear plan for doing so. But it does more than just fend off disaster. CBO calculations show that the Roadmap would also help create a �much more favorable macroeconomic outlook� for the next half-century. The CBO estimates that under the Roadmap, by 2058 per-person GDP would be around 70% higher than the current trend.

Is Rep. Ryan�s Roadmap perfect? Of course not�no government plan ever is. But it�s the best plan on the table at a time when doing nothing is no longer an option.
Let�s not settle for the big-government status quo, which is what the president�s commission offers. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to make these tough decisions so that they might inherit a prosperous and strong America like the one we were given. Governor Sarah Palin

IMHO, that's very likely to be exactly what she'd write if she were a back-room speech-writer for some other candidate.

Well-Sarah does have that degree in Journalism�

Translation.

The country is broke.

If you're under 55,..everything you've paid into Social Security is gone.

Deal with it.

Translation:

We'll have this chit under control in 50 years.

Just be patient.

What record? You're trying to polish a turd and push a rope. She ain't it,,,,period.

Although Sarah Palin's record of achievement as the former Governor of Alaska, city council member and Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska and Chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission has been documented here numerous times..................... I must agree that it would be difficult for someone like you with their head so far up their azz to have seen them.

YA beat me to it.

Is lickin' one somehow to be recommended as a preferable alternative?

Thanks, but I'll just pass 'em and flush 'em � privately.

BOY! That should thrust her onto the world stage as a major player. LMAO

So tell us what "thrusted" the Magic Negro onto the "world stage"? LMAO

Idiots who didn't know any better.

I have to believe we're smarter than they were. Nominating Palin just isn't smart. She would be a disaster like Goldwater was in 1964. She would take down all the gains of 2010, IMO.

Hey! I'm not the enemy...Obammy and his sheeple are. We need get it right this time more than ever before.

Hard as it is to admit,...America needs to get comfortable with the idea of Palins and their ilk holding high public office.

We've been through Clinton, Bush, and now Obama.

It's painfully obvious that the office of President no longer holds the prestige that it once did.

Society's high achievers have more lofty ambitions than to be the butt boys of the ruling class by presiding over their scuttled empire.

+10

I agree. She most probably will not be the nominee, yet who would have thought the vagaries of politics would have made her the last Republican VP nominee? That was a big mistake, a bigger mistake would be to nominate her. That would guarantee a Democret victory.

Personally I think she is smarter than that. She has a lucrative gig going now. Why trade a pay cut and the hatred of millions for the adulation of millions she now enjoys?

I know better than to jump into this thread but...

I've said this before but I'll say it again. I like the woman and I agree with most of her positions on the issues, but I truly, in my heart, don't think she can win a presidential election. If she became the front runner officially, 100 million liberals around the country would have an instant orgasm and not even know why. The democrats are absolutely SALIVATING over the prospect of her running. They know the messiah is weak and on the ropes, and this would be just the thing that would completely unite the progressive movement to a 2nd Obama term and the end of the nation as we know it.

Let the flogging begin...

No floggings from old Spano. You are right on target.

Her nomination would be the best gift our side could give to the Demos. They would be partying in the streets, licking their chops in anticipation of their landslide victory.

So-no flogging-but now we let the liberals pick our candidates?
I started this post with how I see Palin winning and nobody has show me so far where I am wrong.
Some have said that I am wrong but they have nothing to back up their assertions.

This is from Time Magazine last week:
Palin has time on her side. Her popularity among conservatives means that she can wait until the last minute � perhaps as late as a year from now � before jumping into the Republican sweepstakes. And she could raise millions of dollars overnight. A number of veteran GOP operatives think she could win the nomination, even if polls today give her no chance of beating Obama. If Palin does run, "there would be excited thunder from the grass roots, celebration in the White House and despair among GOP leaders," says Mike Murphy, a longtime Republican consultant.

But Palin thinks Obama is vulnerable, and she implies that she is the one to take him on. "In battleground states, he's polling at 40% or below," she notes. "The country is rejecting his agenda ... My vision of America is diametrically opposed to his. He sees America as the problem. I see America as the solution." Asked what she makes of Obama's presidency thus far, Palin quipped, "Two words: Jimmy Carter." Asked who can beat him, she needed seven more: "Someone who can draw a sharp contrast."


Some people-buy em books-all they do is eat the covers.

Post one rationale as to how in the hell the team of Palin and the Tea Party who just won a landslide will now lose in a landslide.????

In my OP I said this:
Using the Gallup numbers originally posted by Flyfast to look at the popular vote:
40% conservative
35% moderate
20% liberal
5% �don�t have a clue�

If Obama pulls a Clinton and moves center and the Tea Party wins a few fights in 2011/12 and staves off disaster-I see:
40% conservative for Palin
15/20% split moderates for Palin AND her Tea Party
Judging by the last election that should be maybe 5/30% split.
40+20=60% or more for Palin and Obama loses 5-10% of his pissed off liberal base and some of the undecided that will vote for Jerry Brown or some other leftwing nut.

If Obama hunkers down on the left and Everything goes south:
30% moderate for Palin. Obama gets the other 5% and keeps the 20% liberal and 5% undecided.
70% Palin 30% Obama.

If Obama is benched and they sign Hillary-I see about the same percentages.
She has her baggage too.

Goodbye President Obama�Hullo President Palin!

Show me where you get Your landslide!

Bow,

I think Mike Murphy pretty much sums it up. He isn't exactly a novice and should be listened to.

If Palin doesn't run or win the nomination, do you have a second favorite?

The field at present seems awfully thin. I hope we have someone else rise up and excite the country. Rubio is too young and has an insufficient track record. He will be a perfect second place on the ticket, however.

For one thing, I honestly don't think she can beat satan's spawn in a debate. I'm sure people will disagree, but that's my position. She barely beat Bidden in her debate as VP candidate and I would argue that Bidden is probably the stupidest man to ever hold public office. For God's sake, the man couldn't put his foot in his mouth more often if he was a world class contortionist. Bidden is minor leagues and Obama would run circle around her imo. And that doesn't mean I think she wouldn't be correct on the issues either. I think she could be right on every issue in a debate with Obama and STILL lose the debate. The guy is that evil and her ability to think on her feet in that setting is marginal at best from what I have seen. I struggle with these kinds of arguments all the time. I can like the candidate, but if I don't think she can win, what's the point.

If you don't think she can win just give up?? I hear a lot of that negativity floating around the fire. The are a lot of Medal of Honor winners who wouldn't have done what they did if they said "I don't think I can." A lot of championship teams that wouldn'th have been champions if they had said "we don't think we can win." We wouldn't even have a country if George Washington, Sam Adams, Ben Franklin and all the rest had said, "we can't beat the British." Come on guys, that isn't the American way/attitude! Sarah is out there daily kicking butt and taking names, taking on dems and RINO's, and putting out excellent policy papers. Basically the only one in this country doing it, espousing the values of most of us on here. Do we once again settle and cave to the establishment R's? Accept a Romney the RINO? Screw that, win or lose I'm going with someone who says and fights for the things I believe in and love. Some of you have been drinking the MSM bs about her. We going to be weenies or winners. I'm for putting it right in the dems face like we just did. Odd that if Sarah can't win how many of the folks she backed won. She can win.

You pessimists who say that you like Mrs Palin, "but � ,"

Why not root for her now, to encourage support for her now, even if you think that she now faces discouraging odds against winning a nomination or an election or being part of a good administration?

How satisfying would either
(a) making your pessimism a self-fulfilling prophecy
or
(b) being able to say postmortem "I told you so!"
be to you?

How do you prefer to begin a ball game? Intending to win it? Expecting to lose it?

Is defeatism's bitter taste too tantalizing to resist?

Is a predicted, preaccepted defeat easier to live with than a determinedly resisted one?


(Note that I'm not addressing those who dread her success and salivate over the notion of her defeat.)

For Ken and Arctic, just because I like the woman doesn't mean I am excited about the prospects of her in the presidency. And no, that doesn't make me a quitter or anything. If she is the candidate, I would vote for her. At this point in time, however, I think we can find a better candidate. There's over a year and a half to find the candidate. That's all I'm saying. If you guy want to root for her, that's cool with me. I just think we can find someone with a better chance of winning the election. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it for now.

Does "sticking with it" require trumpeting it continually like a panicky elephant?

Pun intended

Just askin'

Lol, ok ok. I'll leave the discussion for now. We'll see how things play out in the field of candidates for the next year and I'll watch her. I think there's plenty of time to find the right person. I just don't think we've done it yet. I reserve the right to change my mind as things unfold...

+1

I do have to say that I admire Bowsinger's unwavering optimism for Palin but I am reminded that realism and optimism are often at odds with each other. The reality is Palin will need to win over independents to beat Obama in 2012 and so far she hasn't done done that according to current polling.

�Dang Bowsinger, you're like some thirteen-year-old boy with his first crush-ColeYounger:�

I always look forward to your posts-you always back up your opinion with rationale.

Let me throw in about two cents worth why I think Sarah can beat Obama in a debate.

I completely agree with you about Uncle Joe Biden, but when it comes to public gaffes-Obama with his teleprompter and his 57 states ain�t too far behind.
They are under reported except by Sarah Palin who has listed them all.
And Obama won�t have his teleprompter in the debate.

Whomever debates Obama or his replacement will have won or at least done well in the GOP primary debates and even more important-done well on the FOX news prime time lineup with O'Reilly, Hannity, Greta, Beck, Bret Baer, Megyn Kelly, and the morning guys. There are going to be some sharp people and good debaters in the GOP primary-if he gets in-has Newt ever lost a debate?

If it ends up being Sarah against Obama-she will have earned it-she has come a long ways since she beat Biden with only 3 weeks to get ready against his years on the Hill and months on the campaign trail.

One last thought about debates-it ain�t so much what you say-but how you say it.
That is how Obama beat H Clinton and how the master of them all-Ronald Reagan did it.
Whatever else-Reagan knew how to deliver a line and make you believe.
And it is how Sarah gets her stratospheric name recognition.

Reagan is Palin�s Mentor and Hero and she is a fast learner.

I like Sarah as a person. And I like her more after watching her on her show, where she dealt with that horrible woman who popped out all the kids.

And you also posted this:

And, you're their official spokesman? I always thought the Tea Party were a cross section of concerned middle Americans who want less government intrusion and balanced budgets.

I always thought the same about the Tea Party and have never said otherwise.
That is one big reason why Sarah has a 80%+ approval rating with the Tea Party-her record of fighting for less government intrusion and balanced budgets.

That is where you are wrong when you said before that the Tea Party only won primaries but not many 2010 elections. The victory pole has over 80 coups on it.

Maybe you should listen to less Mike Murphy and more Rush Limbaugh:

�If anybody is an obvious winner here . . . it would be Palin. Look at the grief and the mockery that she got for putting what the media claimed were targets on 20 Democrat incumbents on her website. Look at the grief that she's got ever since she was named McCain's running mate. Eighteen of those Democrats she targeted lost. That's a pretty amazing and impressive record. Sarah Palin targeted a bunch of Democrats for defeat, and 18 of them lost. That's more than any Republican elites are doing.�

You seem hell-bent to repeat 1964, and that was a major bloodbath that lead to the "Great Society". We need a good measure of Inclusion and less Exclusion to gather the majority it will take to turn things around.

I voted for Goldwater in 1964 and against LBJ and the Ghost of Jack Kennedy.
I still think Barry could have beat LBJ but I knew at the time-nobody was gonna beat the Ghost.

And I voted twice for Ronald Reagan-you got Reagan wrong too.

His record as President of the Screen Actors Guild is nothing compared to the reform work Palin did as Chair & Ethics Officer on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

For one thing-at that time Reagan was a liberal Democrat.

I knew that when I voted for him in 1980 and I knew that as Governor he was weak on gun rights.
However, I also knew he had balanced his state�s budget and the voters had given him a second term by a landslide.
That worked for me and I liked what Reagan was SAYING and I voted for him.
Hell, I wasn�t about to vote for Carter anyway.
The second time I liked what Reagan was DOING and I voted for him.
Hell, I wasn�t about to vote for Mondale anyway.

Reagan�s record and Palin�s record as Governors are a lot alike with their fights to balance state budgets and reduce spending-but Reagan has little compared to Palin about fighting corruption and ethics violations.


If Palin doesn't run or win the nomination, do you have a second favorite?
The field at present seems awfully thin. I hope we have someone else rise up and excite the country. Rubio is too young and has an insufficient track record. He will be a perfect second place on the ticket, however.

Gingrich has always been my go-to guy and I think his impressive wife could shut down a lot of the baggage issues.

But, I don�t agree with you about the thin field. Lots of good sharp people on their way up. Pawlenty-Thune-Daniels-others�


Paul Ryan has a longer track record than Rubio and will be up for reelection in 2012.
His dilemma is the same as other rising stars-do I stay where I�m at and use my
building seniority to do good work or do I move up to the Big House and do good work there?

Palin has said a lot of good things about a lot of the new Tea Party Heroes-but she really likes Paul Ryan�s Roadmap.

Ronald Wilson Reagan�s Successor: Sarah Louise Heath Palin

338...and a lot of her support went to Tea Party-backed losers.

We're not being negative in believing she isn't the right candidate. There are many reasons why we don't want her at the head of the ticket.

Something as simple of her screeching voice is a definite handicap. Only the choir likes listening to her.

When she abdicated as Governor she became suspect in many eyes.

She has been easy to stump in interviews.

She has very high negatives among independents and among women.

This is what she brings to the table. I would be a lot more enthused by a candidate that can pull in the independents and middle. An election is already lost if the candidate can't. The right conservative could... << Ronald Regan >>> for example...

http://themoderatevoice.com/61891/p...party-movement-but-most-have-no-opinion/

Safari, as Bowsinger just pointed out; she put 20 dems on a hit list and 18 lost. The great majority of R's she endorsed won. Who else on our team is out there going toe to toe with Numb Nuts and his gang? I have never seen such a bunch of p*ssy's as are on the R lineup! Is Romney taking on O? NOPE Is Huckster? NOPE Pawlenty? NOPE All of these guys are in a cold war bunker somewhere hiding. Sarah is taking it to the enemy. If these guys don't have a pair now they aren't going to grow a set when they are in the WH doing battle with dems. Any others on the horizon, maybe Ryan. He is a darn sharp guy. We put up someone like that I would wholeheartedly support him. None of these chicken chits and RINO's deserve a second thought.

338...

I agree 100%. That was why I said earlier that I believe we have not yet seen the candidate who will get nominated and who can win. Ryan is a good consideration, for sure.

There are 4 types of candidates:

1. someone you like who can win
2. someone you don't like who can win
2. someone you like who won't win
3. someone you don't like who won't win

I posted an earlier thread on Romney's poll #s. That doesn't mean I like him as a candidate but I think he's a #2. McCain in my opinion was a #4. He was a RINO and a weak candidate to boot. I THINK Sarah is a #3, but that is still to be determined. My HOPE is that we are still early enough in the process to find a #1 that I can wholehearted support. If that doesn't happen, I will support whoever the candidate is that runs against Obama because he is pure evil.

Couple thoughts:

I like what Sarah says, but I was not impressed with her short term as governor, and it's not the cutting and running that bothered me.

That said, the scary thought is, with the American populace being intelectually shallow enough to elect Barak to POTUS, there is no reason to think that Sarah couldn't do the same. Remember it's the American Idol mentality, and Sarah has looks and charisma. Equally as disturbing is that I can't think of a single suitable Republican to run as POTUS.

On the flip side, the republic continues inspite of it's elected officials.

The Beat Goes On!

Governor Palin writes the following piece at the National Review:
12/17/10
The proposed New START agreement should be evaluated by the only criteria that matters for a treaty: Is it in America�s interest? I am convinced this treaty is not. It should not be rammed through in the lame duck session using behind the scenes deal-making reminiscent of the tactics used in the health care debate.

New START actually requires the U.S. to reduce our nuclear weapons and allows the Russians to increase theirs. This is one-sided and makes no strategic sense. New START�s verification regime is weaker than the treaty it replaces, making it harder for us to detect Russian cheating. Since we now know Russia has not complied with many arms control agreements currently in force, this is a serious matter.

New START recognizes a link between offensive and defensive weapons � a position the Russians have sought for years. Russia claims the treaty constrains U.S. missile defenses and that they will withdraw from the treaty if we pursue missile defenses. This linkage virtually guarantees that either we limit our missile defenses or the Russians will withdraw from the treaty. The Obama administration claims that this is not the case; but if that is true, why agree to linking offensive and defensive weapons in the treaty? At the height of the Cold War, President Reagan pursued missile defense while also pursuing verifiable arms control with the then-Soviet Union. That position was right in the 1980�s, and it is still right today. We cannot and must not give up the right to missile defense to protect our population � whether the missiles that threaten us come from Russia, Iran, China, North Korea, or anywhere else. I fought the Obama administration�s plans to cut funds for missile defense in Alaska while I was Governor, and I will continue to speak out for missile defenses that will protect our people and our allies.

There are many other problems with the treaty, including the limitation on the U.S. ability to convert nuclear systems to conventional systems and the lack of restriction on Russian sea launched cruise missiles. In addition, the recent reports that Russia moved tactical nuclear weapons (which are not covered by New START) closer to our NATO allies, demonstrate that the Obama administration has failed to convince Russia to act in a manner that does not threaten our allies.

If I had a vote, I would oppose this deeply flawed treaty submitted to the Senate. Just because we were out-negotiated by the Russians that doesn�t mean we have to say yes to this. New START�s flaws have to be addressed in the form of changes to the treaty language that, at a minimum, completely de-link missile defense from offensive arms reductions. Other issues would have to be addressed in the ratification process. If this does not happen either now or next year, Senate Republicans, vote no!

[quote=arctic338]Safari, as Bowsinger just pointed out; she put 20 dems on a hit list and 18 lost.

18 out of 20??


Lets punch a hole in that one quickly.

Palin endorsed and lost:

Christine O'Donald DE-Lost
Joe Miller AK-Lost
Sharon Angle-NV-Lost
Ken Buck-CO-Lost


Where did you get this 18 out of 20 number?

Well for one, in AK the Dem didn't win (wasn't the criteria Arctic338 used Dem losses).

Wrong! There was no Dem in that office there for she did not target a dem. She targeted another GOPer and bet the hell out of her in the primary but got creamed in the general thus can not be counted as a targeted Dem. Still the numbers are off period!

You guys are the ones who are wrong and arctic338 is right.

I guess you missed the special website [Take Back the 20!] Governor Palin set up to go after Democrat House lawmakers who voted for healthcare reform and hail from House Districts she and Arizona Sen. John McCain won in the 2008 presidential election.

�Three of these (20) House members are retiring � from Arkansas�s 2nd district, Indiana�s 8th district, and Tennessee�s 6th district � but we�ll be working to make sure that those who replace them are Commonsense Conservatives," Palin writes. "The others are running for re-election, and we�re going to hold them accountable for this disastrous Obamacare vote.� Gov. Sarah Palin

Sarah lost two of the 20-Arizona 8th House District and West Virginia's 3rd House District.

The remaining 18 unlucky House Democrats went down the tubes.

18 + 2 = 20

For the record Palin did not endorse Sharon Angle in NV until after she won the primary.
What was she supposed to do? Endorse Reid?

Out of the more than 85 candidates that Sarah Palin either formally endorsed and/or donated to-and/or just supported-80+% won.

I am not poking at the success, good job! Just the forgotten 4 that she endorsed and lost. Endorsing Angle and O'Donnell was just pure crazy. Both ladies were/are nut jobs. Joe Miller was an example of a endorsement that should not have happened as well, lack of vetting here. I will bet Palin would like to have that endorsement back. Buck was so far to the right that voters in Colorado could not take his odor.

This, coming from "LyingAss Walt", whose head is so far up Hussein's azz he can tell you whether the Kenyan still has tonsils or not.

She missed on 4. Big fuggin' deal.

Compare that to Hussein's misses, outside of just being a complete miss himself.

For all her faults, and she has PLENTY, at the VERY least, Palin can at least PROVE that she's a Constitutionally legitimate candidate for POTUS. Something Hussein has never done, though he's spent millions to make sure he doesn't have to. Hmmm....

Why is that, Lyin'AssWalt?

Keep jabbing at the opposition, and ignore the 800 lb gorilla (no, not Michelle Obama... this time) in the room: B. Hussein Obama.

Angle?
Sarah Palin split with the Tea Party Express and did not endorse Sharon Angle in NV until after she won the primary.
What was she supposed to do? Endorse Reid?
O'Donnell?
What was she supposed to do? Endorse that RINO Mike Castle?
Miller?
What was she supposed to do? Endorse that RINO Lisa Murkowski?
You and I should live so long to see the day in Alaskan politics that Palin endorses a Murkowski.
Buck?
Palin did not endorse Ken Buck in his primary and it gets a little fuzzy as to how much support he got from the Tea Party. Depends on what account you read.
The only Palin endorsements I can find for Colorado is:
Scott Tipton-Colorado 3rd Congressional District
Cory Gardner-Colorado 4th Congressional District

I may have missed a couple...

Don't forget, she endorsed McCain, and he got re-elected

Sorry, couldn't resist

A lot of leg-humping does not a puppy......er, president make.

She should run even if she won't get the independants.. It would be nice just to see her out there calling out Obama and holding him accountable. She's the only one that can hold her own against Obama and Hillary.

The 20 were in the House. You named all Senate matches Walt.

Bowsinger,

IMHO she's a loser as a POTUS candidate for two very significant, tangible reasons.

First, her negatives are far too high.

Second, she won't carry the crucial swing vote, which is moderate in composition.

The Republican party just has got do better than Palin.

Oh boy...

Yoost t'ink � ve got two more years of this before it gets settled.

[sigh]

What disappoints me the most??? How many on this site still thinks that it can be fixed by voting...sad really...we lose ground every day because of the dreamers...

and the dreaders

everytime I vote will be for the less evil...and I will make it count....doesn't take away from the dread...just sayin

What might be the alternative to voting?

Personally, I'd like to see Jim Demint run. Or for the Pennsylvania folks, I'd be interested in someone chiming in on Rick Santorum as a possible candidate.

If you don't know...cannot tell u on here...just sayin...

and if he's already done that, what?

has he???

This [bleep]' "Just Sayin" " bit

That's really IT with you, in't it,....that's your entire take on life,....just write a bunch of dumb chit in between "Just Sayin'" and You'll be alright ?

GTC

If they don't, does that mean you'll vote for Obama........... AGAIN??

You low life, empty headed, liberal turd!!

There is NO alternative to voting.

History proves otherwise.

Allow me to modify my comment: At this time in the US there is No alternative to the ballot.

So...you want Obammy to win by 60-40 then? With so much at stake we need to be smarter in 2012.

What we need is to find someone who has her values and ideas who doesn't have her negatives. She has too much potential to be our national Sharon Angle. I'd love to see her as POTUS. She'll never be, however.

Not with people like you spouting off with all your "home spun" negativity all the time she won't!!

Speaking of Palin endorsements.

During the campaign I tried to keep track of them on the various pro-Palin web sites.
As they all had different totals I did a cut and paste list of my own. And my total is higher. Don�t shoot me if I have one wrong here or there.
One of the problems is what is a formal endorsement [about 50 to 60 of those] and what are other types of support.
Some lists did not include all incumbents or any state offices.

Here is my partial and incomplete list of Palin-Have Gun-Will Travel endorsements (99?+):
*Mama Grizzlies
****Best Looking Mama Grizzly [I�ve not seen them all!]

Governors:
Rick Perry-Texas. WIN
John Kasich-Ohio WIN
Chris Christie-New Jersey WIN
Bob McDonnell-Virginia WIN
Tom Emmer-Minnesota WIN
*Susana Martinez-New Mexico WIN
Terry Branstad-Iowa WIN
*Nikki Haley-South Carolina. WIN-BIG-COME-FROM-BEHIND-WIN
*Mary Fallin-Oklahoma WIN
*Karen Handel-Georgia LOSS
*Jan Brewer-Arizona WIN
*Rita Meyer-Wyoming LOSS
Rick Scott-Florida WIN
Butch Otter-Idaho WIN

State Attorney General:
*Pam Bondi-Florida WIN
*Brenna Findley-Iowa LOSS
Greg Abbott-Texas WIN

State Secretary of State:
*Beth Chapman-Alabama WIN

State House:
Scott Henderson-Hawaii LOSS

U.S. Senate:
Scott Brown-Massachusetts WIN
Sen. John McCain-Arizona WIN
Rob Portman-Ohio WIN
Marco Rubio-Florida WIN
Pat Toomey-Pennsylvania WIN
Rand Paul-Kentucky WIN
John Boozman-Arkansas
*Carly Fiorina-California LOSS
*Sharron Angle-Nevada LOSS
*Kelly Ayotte-New Hampshire WIN
Joe Miller-Alaska LOSS?
*Christine O�Donnell-Delaware LOSS
John Raese-West Virginia LOSS

U.S. Congressional House Districts:
TBT20! Take Back the 20!

*Martha Roby-Alabama 2nd Congressional District WIN

Tim Griffin-Arkansas 2nd Congressional District WIN TBT20!

Dr. Paul Gosar- Arizona 1st Congressional District WIN TBT20!
*Janet Contreras-Arizona 4th Congressional District LOSS
David Schweikert-Arizona�s 5th Congressional District WIN TBT20!
**Ruth McClug-Arizona 7th Congressional District-youngest Mama Grizzly-age 28 and a Physicist-rocket scientist! LOSS
Jesse Kelly-Arizona�s 8th Congressional District LOSS TBT20!

Chuck Wilkerson-California 30th Congressional District LOSS
*Star Parker-California 37th Congressional District LOSS

Scott Tipton-Colorado 3rd Congressional District WIN TBT20!
Cory Gardner-Colorado 4th Congressional District WIN TBT20!

Steve Southerland-Florida 2nd Congressional District WIN TBT20!
*Heana Ros-Lehtinen-Florida 18th Congressional District WIN
Allen West-Florida 22nd Congressional District WIN
*Sandy Adams-Florida 24th Congressional District WIN TBT20!

Ray McKinney-Georgia 12th Congressional District LOSS

John Willoughby-Hawaii 2nd Congressional District LOSS


Vaughn Ward-Idaho 1st Congressional District LOSS

Adam Kinzinger-Illinois 11th Congressional District WIN
*Judy Biggert-Illinois 13th Congressional District WIN
Randy Hultgren-Illinois 14th Congressional District WIN

*Jackie Walorski- Indiana 2nd Congressional District. LOSS
Larry Buchson-Indiana 8th Congressional District. WIN TBT20!
Todd Young-Indiana 9th Congressional District. WIN TBT20!

*Lynn Jenkins-Kansas-2nd Congressional District WIN

Sean Bielat-Massachusetts 4th Congressional District LOSS

*Michele Bachmann-Minnesota 6th Congressional District WIN

Dan Benishek-Michigan 1st Congressional District WIN
Andrew (Rocky) Raczkowski-Michigan 9th District LOSS
*Candice Miller-Michigan 10th District WIN
Rob Steele-Michigan 15th Congressional District LOSS

Alan Nunnelee-Mississippi 1st Congressional District WIN
Bill Marcy-Mississippi 2nd Congressional District LOSS
Steven Palazzo-Mississippi 4th Congressional District WIN

*Vicky Hartzler-Missouri 4th Congressional District WIN
*Jo Ann Emerson-Missouri 8th Congressional District WIN

Steve Pearce-New Mexico 2nd Congressional District WIN

John Gomez-New York�s 2nd Congressional District. LOSS
Michael Grimm-New York 13th Congressional District. WIN
*Dr. Nan Hayworth-New York 19th Congressional District WIN
Doug Hoffman-New York 23rd Congressional District LOSS
*Ann Marie Buerkle-New York 25th Congressional District

*Renee Ellmers-North Carolina 2nd Congressional District WIN
*Virginia Foxx-North Carolina 5th Congressional District WIN
Ilario Pantano-North Carolina 7th Congressional District LOSS
*Sue Myrick-North Carolina 9th Congressional District WIN

Rick Berg-North Dakota at Large Congressional District WIN TBT20!

*Jean Schmidt-Ohio 2nd Congressional District WIN
Bill Johnson-Ohio 6th Congressional District WIN TBT20!
Jim Renacci-Ohio 16th Congressional District WIN TBT20!

Mike Kelly-Pennsylvania 3rd Congressional District WIN TBT20!
Tom Marino-Pennsylvania 10th Congressional District WIN TBT20!

Tim Scott-South Carolina 1st Congressional District WIN
Mick Mulvaney-South Carolina 5th Congressional District WIN TBT20!

****Kristi Noem-South Dakota At Large Congressional District WIN
THANK YOU, THANK YOU-SD! I don�t care about the 20 speeding tickets!

*CeCe Heil-Tennessee 5th Congressional District LOSS
*Diane Black-Tennessee 6th Congressional District WIN TBT20!
*Marsha Blackburn-Tennessee 7th Congressional District WIN
Stephen Fincher-Tennessee 8th Congressional District WIN

*Kay Granger-Texas 12th Congressional District WIN
Bill Flores-Texas 17th Congressional District WIN
Francisco Canseco-Texas 23rd Congressional District WIN
*Donna Campbell-Texas 25th Congressional District LOSS
Blake Farenthold-Texas 27th Congressional District WIN
Stephen Broden-Texas 30th Congressional District LOSS

Morgan Philpot-Utah 2nd Congressional District LOSS

Robert Hurt-Virginia 5th Congressional District WIN TBT20!
Keith Fimian-Virginia 11th Congressional District LOSS

John Koster-Washington 2nd Congressional District LOSS
*Jaime Herrera-Washington 3rd Congressional District WIN
*Cathy McMorris Rodgers-Washington 5th Congressional District WIN
Ret. Lt Col Dick Muri-Washington States 9th Congressional District LOSS

David McKinley-West Virginia 1st Congressional District WIN TBT20!
*Shelley Moore Capito-West Virginia 2nd Congressional District WIN
Spike Maynard-West Virginia 3rd Congressional District LOSS TBT20!

Sean Duffy-Wisconsin 7th Congressional District WIN

*Cynthia Lummis-Wyoming At Large Congressional District WIN

I�m tired now-time for a nap.

Speaking of Palin Endorsements.

I have never seen a list like this.
I have never seen a politician who was not contending-work so hard.
I have never seen a private citizen who has never held national office-have such an impact on a national election.
I have never seen such a high total of wins or percentage of wins as Sarah and her small staff put together.

PALIN
HAVE GUN
WILL TRAVEL

Endorsements for what?

Real heavy schitt, no doubt. Reread Spano's posts on "size".

If Palin is all we have to offer, we're screwed. Real bad, like. Karl Marx, reincarnated, could walk up to your door and announce he's been born again as a "True Conservative" and you'd suck it up. You are that shallow.

Head up the rectal you say?? Now,,,please continue on with your heroine worship along with your litter mates, Bowsinger and ackley17B.B.brain.

You, quite obviously, have never seen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a lot.

Show me where I am wrong.

Put up or shut up.

Showing you where you are right would be the greater challenge on this one.

Hey, if it were down to Palin vs ANY demo in the finals, then yes, Palin would be my vote. I do hope it does not come to that cause she still ain't it and not by a looooong shot no matter how much you and others here continue to pine over her. Like all politicos, she's riding the wave and it is a good one to ride. Send her some of your "I believe" money, that'll work and that way you can put up or shut up.

But, then again, Obama made it in as a long shot so hope does spring eternal and dreams do come true.

As usual, no specifics, just more........worthless dribble!!

This, from the expert purveyor of the same. Ok, specifically, she ain't the one.

She was such a "great help" to McCain as I recall? How about you, your recollection of that?

edited to add; Wait, I know, she can get Ron Paul as a running mate and be a virtual shoe-in. Yeah, that's the ticket for sure.

While we wait for Toot to prove me wrong-I thought this would be a good time to poke those who say Sarah doesn�t do good interviews. This one was with O�Reilly who really doesn�t understand the outdoor thing and that someone like Sarah walks a different path.
And she means exactly what she says.

Or as I put it: From inside the beltway-Uh hem, don�t quite see how this Alaska TV show is all that helpful in the political arena�and that Kate Gosselin thing�Sniff-Sniff�not all that presidential you know�Huckabee doing his TV show is one thing�but Palin?

Posted by Fay on December 17, 2010
�Governor Palin talked to Bill O�Reilly on The Factor last night about her new book and her TV series and their potential effects on her political career. Below is the transcript of their interview.
Notice that Governor Palin doesn�t allow O�Reilly to interrupt her in mid-sentence anymore. There are at least two places where she goes right on to finish her sentence. Good job, Gov!�

BILL O�REILLY, HOST: In the �Personal Story� segment tonight: As you may know, Sarah Palin has a hit TV show on cable and another best-selling book called �America by Heart,� where she talks about her vision of what the country should be. But some say all of that stuff may be hurting her in the political arena.
Joining us now from Alaska is Governor Palin. You know, Charles Krauthammer, he�s a smart guy. Even Clinton said that. Bill Clinton said he was a smart guy. We�re talking to him about possible GOP contenders for president in 2012. Of course, your name came up. And he said, look, he�s not quite convinced that the outside activities that you�re engaging in would help you if you decide to run for president. Does Krauthammer have a point?
SARAH PALIN, FORMER GOVERNOR OF ALASKA: Well, bless his heart, he�s probably used to those in the political Beltway who perhaps aren�t out there working, but they�re talking and they�re meeting people and they�re doing their strategery, whereas I�m working and I�m having a great time doing it. It�s been a pleasure to bring Americans along for the ride to show them what America�s Fort Knox, this land that we call Alaska has to offer and to film eight episodes to show Americans what it is that we do.
O�REILLY: Well, that�s right.
PALIN: And what we have up here in terms of resources. It�s a pleasure. And the book � the book, of course, it�s all about America�s heart and our exceptionalism�
O�REILLY: Well, we�ll get to the book. We�ll get to the book in a minute.
PALIN: �and how important it is to protect it. So I don�t think there�s anything non-presidential about writing the book.
O�REILLY: OK, we�ll get to the book in a moment. The television show, you�re out there and you�re presenting your state in a very positive way. And it�s � you know, very entertaining program. Big hit for TLC. But how does that, in your mind, help you in the political arena, or does it?
PALIN: I told Alaskans that I was going to do all that I could to promote Alaska. And I�ll tell you, TLC�s debut show as the highest-rated show in that � in that cable network�s history. I think it�s doing a good job for Alaska, for our economy and�
O�REILLY: OK, so you�re promoting � you�re promoting the state that you love.
PALIN: Promoting Alaska.
O�REILLY: OK, good.
PALIN: And even more importantly, promoting domestic resources that we have in America that can be tapped into to allow us to be more secure, healthier, more prosperous. A lot of the show has to do with the resources that we have that need to be developed.
O�REILLY: OK. Now, Kate Gosselin and you, she�s whining that she�s hungry and she saw a turtle or something. I don�t know what she�s doing. And � but, see, is that presidential, you and Kate Gosselin in the forest? People would say, you know, look, it doesn�t elevate the governor, the former governor of Alaska. And you would say?
PALIN: I�m sorry that I�m not so hoity-toity. And you know, I don�t do this before I make a statement or endorse a person or portray reality up here in Alaskan life. I don�t do that.
O�REILLY: Did you make fun of her, by the way? When the cameras were off, did you mock Ms. Gosselin and did you make fun of her?
PALIN: No, but that episode certainly reflected a life lesson that I�m a believer in. And that is life is 10 percent circumstances, 90 percent how you react to circumstances. I think that was illustrated in that episode.
O�REILLY: All right. So you wouldn�t appoint her, Gosselin, to a cabinet position if you were in Washington or anything, would you?
PALIN: What do you think?
O�REILLY: I�m just giving you a little jazz, governor. You know how I am, how immature I am.
PALIN: I know how you are, yes. I need you to come up here. We�ll take you out camping and hiking and hunting.
O�REILLY: I�m coming. I�m coming next summer. I�m coming in the summer. Absolutely. I�m a tough guy. I�ll be out there and I�ll be skinning those moose or whatever you guys do.
Now your book, I enjoyed the book, because it�s, you know, you can hear you talking on the pages. So chapter five is the rise of mama grizzlies, OK? And you�re very famous for that expression. Can a liberal woman be a mama grizzly?
PALIN: A liberal woman who understands that it�s individual rights and responsibilities that can pull one person up when they are exercised appropriately certainly can be a mama grizzly, because a mama grizzly is all about protecting the young. And we protect the young by teaching them how to work, not rely on another bear. In our case, not to rely on bigger government to solve problems and to provide solutions�
O�REILLY: So it would be hard then?
PALIN: �to everything that we face. It�s all about individuals. It�s about family. It�s about small community. It�s about individual responsibility.
O�REILLY: OK, so it would be hard for a liberal woman who believes in a collective responsibility to elevate everyone � that�s the liberal philosophy � to be a mama grizzly, because you�re basically saying, look, the real mama grizzlies teach their kids self-reliance, to not, you know, go into the big government and share the wealth, share the land type of thing. So it would be hard for a liberal woman to be a mama grizzly?
PALIN: It would be hard, yes.
O�REILLY: OK. Also, in the book, you concentrate on the feminist angle. And you say that you are a feminist, but you resent the fact that that label has been co-opted by the left. Want to explain that a little bit?
PALIN: I think there�s a lot of hypocrisy with women�s rights groups and those who proclaim to be the only ones who can wear that mantel, that title of feminist. I think that they are, in some cases, hypocrites, and they do not empower women. In fact, they make women sometimes feel weak and incapable of taking care of themselves and their families, because so often these feminists think that bigger government needs to provide the tools, the � everything that we need in order to survive and thrive in this country. I don�t believe that. I believe it�s all about a person�s character and their work ethic and how they choose to take care of themselves and their family. That is how we all can make for a better nation as we all do that.
And I think that too many feminists today have decided, and I think it�s been the case since the �60s and the �70s, they have decided that women need someone to take care of them. That�s the most hypocritical feminist mantra that there can be.
O�REILLY: Why do you say you�re a feminist?
PALIN: Because I am self-reliant and quite independent. And I�m lucky to have been brought up in a family where, really, gender hasn�t been an issue. And brought up in a community and a state where you�re expected, the women are, to work as hard as the men are and even engage in the same type of jobs that they are. And it is all about your work ethic and your character. That is what will progress you. It�s not going to be reliant on government to do so.
O�REILLY: You made it on your own. You absolutely made it on your own. So if I come up there next summer, and you take us out, I want Van Susteren to come out there, too, all right? I want her to come out. And then you guys can take us out, and just give me a knife, and I�ll handle anything that comes at me. That�s all I need. Just give me a knife.
Governor, Merry Christmas. Thanks for putting up with us, as always. Always fun to talk with you.
PALIN: Thank you.

� and just who, do you s'pose, who has his mind already set firmly against her, would listen to all that � or read it?

What do you not understand about her being a "QUITTER"? I can understand nemisis' obvious, ongoing stupidity as he lives in the shallow end of the gene pool with his densitometer constantly stuck in the max position, but you?

Remember another who was a "quitter", one named 'ole hoss pirogue' (Ross Perot)? Quit the run for the presidency after all of his tough talk, couldn't take the heat, cut and ran away. Remember that? What makes Palin any different? She couldn't handle the Governor's spot and she sure can't handle anything bigger. There's your "proof", not that it proves you wrong but only that you so carefully neglected to mention that stellar point of fact along with her "qualifications".

Ahhhhh, I forgot, I forgot,,,,, that she has a Reality Show. How presidential is that? That's gotta be it and I envision you as being one of her most ardent fans, sitting there watching each episode with a woody.

What a treat to watch brains at work!

Wish I had one!

Hey old man, why don't you "Toot" on this?

Hey Toot-do you ever get tired of being right all the time?

That stellar point about �quitter� that I so �carefully neglected to mention� is on Page 3 of this thread:

Of all the sound solid reasons why Governor Palin resigned that have been posted here on the �Fire-over and over again-this is the best�

Someone named Jesse Cornish responded with this and I posted it here:

�That echoes a lot of mine own thoughts. Like any wise military commander, she retreated from an untenable position where she was simply getting pummeled and possessed little capability of striking back. She then regrouped and launched a counteroffensive that surprised an overconfident enemy who already thought they had won. She stands victorious and in a far stronger position to effect positive change and elect commonsense conservatives. She truly is warrior for the conservative cause and while others hunker in the trenches, protected from enemy fire, she braves no man�s land and storms the enemy lines.�

Well said-indeed.

Second place goes to:
�A Palin aide was quoted as saying Palin was "no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do. Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself.�

Tied for second:
�Well she could have just stayed in office like Kerry, Clinton, Obama or Gore and took her pay for doing nothing like the others did. But maybe if you write a book travel around get a little exposure on you own dime and some private help rather than forcing the tax payer to pay the bill again. Hmm a novel idea one that scares the crap out of the left doing it on your own. No the lefty's want the free ride and this is chiding them too the bone.�

AND:

Maybe-just maybe-to use your own words-Sarah had good reasons and did the smart thing-the right thing for Alaska and her family.
And the nation-did you notice her role in the 2010 election?

$500,000 in legal bills in just one year to defend yourself against nothing but crap?
Way past time to change the rules and I started this thread about how Sarah understands and is doing quite well using all the new rules of the game.

So-what part of my previous post about �quitting� didn�t you/don�t you understand?

Let me try again and add one more quote:

�When Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, she confronted three problems. The political coalition on which she had based her governorship -- a combination of Democrats and renegade "Palinista" Republicans -- had, needless to say, collapsed. Her critics were using Alaska's tough ethics laws to launch investigations into her behavior, sapping her finances and her energy. Finally, every time she traveled to the Lower 48, Alaskans criticized her for putting her political interests above the state's.
Palin's solution was to resign. Her agenda stood a better chance of passing if then-Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, who shared Palin's goals, succeeded her as governor. As a private citizen, meanwhile, Palin could make enough money to pay her legal bills. And she would no longer be accused of neglecting her official duties.�

�Ahhhhh, I forgot, I forgot,,,,, that she has a Reality Show. How presidential is that? That's gotta be it and I envision you as being one of her most ardent fans, sitting there watching each episode with a woody.�

You posted THAT in the next post right after I posted all that about Sarah Palin�s Alaska????
You forgot!???

Ken Howell is right when he said:
�� and just who, do you s'pose, who has his mind already set firmly against her, would listen to all that � or read it?�

The short version of what I posted:
�While we wait for Toot to prove me wrong-I thought this would be a good time to poke those who say Sarah doesn�t do good interviews. This one was with O�Reilly who really doesn�t understand the outdoor thing and that someone like Sarah walks a different path.
And she means exactly what she says.

Or as I put it: From inside the beltway-Uh hem, don�t quite see how this Alaska TV show is all that helpful in the political arena�and that Kate Gosselin thing�Sniff-Sniff�not all that presidential you know�Huckabee doing his TV show is one thing�but Palin?�



Some people-buy em books-all they do is eat the covers.

Palin never Quit! She was forced out by the bad Palin haters who..... Your right... She Quit! Once a quitter, always a quitter!

Ya-Yoost be right-some won�t read all dat.
Vill read only until der fingertip gets too sore.
But der bein� so much of der good stuff�

Dis one be shorter:


Posted by M. Joseph Sheppard's Recovering Liberal on December 19, 2010

In a major policy statement in early November (in contrast to the idiotic advice from Joe Klein of Time Magazine that �She has no positions on any issue�), Sarah Palin warned of the dangers of inflation due to the money printing of Bernanke�s Reserve Bank.
�All this pump priming will come at a serious price. And I mean that literally: everyone who ever goes out shopping for groceries knows that prices have risen significantly over the past year or so. Pump priming would push them even higher. And it�s not just groceries. Oil recently hit a six month high, at more than $87 a barrel. The weak dollar � a direct result of the Fed�s decision to dump more dollars onto the market � is pushing oil prices upwards. That�s like an extra tax on earnings. And the worst part of it: because the Obama White House refuses to open up our offshore and onshore oil reserves for exploration, most of that money will go directly to foreign regimes who don�t have America�s best interests at heart.�
This prescient statement attracted, of course, criticism from the left, for whom a gut negative reaction to all things Palin comes ahead of the professional detached analysis they are supposed to provide. There were sensible voices from the professional financial community, who, as they deal in the real world, saw the truth of her analysis.
Here is what has happened in the real world - reported, ironically by the San Francisco Chronicle, in the bastion of liberalism, just a month and a half after Palin�s sage comments:
�For the first time since 2008, inflation is hitting consumers in the stomach.
Grocery prices grew by more than 1 1/2 times the overall rate of inflation this year, outpaced only by costs of transportation and medical care, according to numbers released Wednesday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Economists predict that this is only the beginning. Fueled by the higher costs of wheat, sugar, corn, soybeans and energy, shoppers could see as much as a 4 percent increase at the supermarket checkout next year.
�I noticed just this month that my grocery bill for the same old stuff � cereal, eggs, milk, orange juice, peanut butter, bread � spiked $25,� said Sue Perry, deputy editor of ShopSmart magazine, a nonprofit publication from Consumer Reports. �It was a bit of sticker shock.�
But it makes sense. Since November 2009, meat, poultry, fish and eggs have surged 5.8 percent in price. Dairy and related products have gone up 3.8 percent; fats and oils, 3 percent; and sugar and sweets, 1.2 percent.
While overall inflation nationwide was 1.1 percent, grocery prices went up 1.7 percent nationally and 1.3 percent in the Bay Area, said Todd Johnson, an economist for the Bureau of Labor Statistics office in San Francisco. �The largest effects on grocery prices here over the last month were tomatoes, followed by eggs, fish and seafood.�

It is clear that not only does Palin understand the real life situations of the average person who is facing rising prices for staples, in contrast to the Beltway elite who live in a closeted world unaware of the struggling lives of the great mass of poor and middle class they purport to champion, but that she has positive policy prescriptions which, time after time, put the lie to the leftist talking heads who wrongly decry her on exactly that point.

The risk of nominating Palin is Obama serving a second term.

Is the risk worth it?

What risk?

As I pointed out in my OP-the reasons why I think Sarah may have the best shot at being our 45th President.

There is no risk. Nominate Palin get BHO. Absolutely NO risk.

BOWSINGER � read your PMs.

Interesting piece in the Washington Post this morning about the possible outcome of a Palin/BHO matchup.

And guess what it says!

Dang Ken, you convinced me to go look.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/17/AR2010121701512.html



I have no dog in this fight but if the polling is indeed accurate, nominating Palin does entail the risk of BO getting elected to a second term. There is still a lot of time for things to change between now and the next election but for the moment nominating Palin does appear to be a gamble.

This reminds me of the CBS poll taken when Palin�s first book was setting all-time records for a political bio. They had her approvals at about 22% which didn�t leave near enough base to account for all those books sales�

Washington Post: �Six in 10 voters say they would not even consider voting for the former Alaska governor if she launches a White House bid, and she loses badly to President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 general election test.�

If most polls have Obama down to about 40-42% approval�wouldn�t that be about six in ten not voting for him? Isn�t six out of ten almost 60%? It used to be.

Washington Post: �Despite her high profile, amplified this fall by her campaign appearances and endorsements and her new reality TV program, "Sarah Palin's Alaska," Palin has not made demonstrable progress in overcoming opposition to her possible candidacy. If anything, she has slipped over the past year.�

Anybody believes that�I got this stainless steel arch for sale just up river from me�

My OP is based on what I read in the only accurate 2010 poll�the November election.
Obama wasn�t running, but his programs and his people were and they lost to the Tea Party in a landslide.
The GOP RINO�s didn�t do so good either.

Back to Palin, which Obama opponent has got the highest Tea Party approvals?
Who can beat Obama without the Tea Party?

The tea party is a force to be reckoned with, let us hope it continues to support Conservative causes and candidates and not go Third Party.

For those who DO NOT support PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!

12/20 �One of Sarah Palin�s most-trusted advisers is going to work for a newly elected Arizona congressman.
Tom Van Flein, an Anchorage lawyer who has become a political adviser and fixer of sorts for Palin and her family, will become legislative director and deputy chief of staff for incoming Republican Rep. Paul Gosar, it was announced Monday.
Van Flein is one of the four aides Palin most relies on, helping to devise political strategy and do research. He graduated from the University of Arizona College of Law and formerly lived and worked in Arizona��

AND:

�Haven�t had your fill of Sarah Palin and her brood hunting, shooting, fishing and rafting on TLC? Well don�t fret, it looks like �Sarah Palin�s Alaska� could be sticking around for a second season.
On Tuesday, PopEater reported that �'Sarah Palin's Alaska' is such a huge hit for TLC that the network is busy trying to get the former governor to sign up for season two.� The show has indeed been a success for the network, with about 3 million people tuning in on average week after week.
[�]
A TLC insider told the site, �For sure the network is doing everything it possibly can to convince Sarah to do another season,� but like so many things in life, the insider said that �it will all come down to money." (Political plans, of course, could also get in the way.)
"Sarah knows to strike when the iron is hot and started talking about season two right after the show debuted to huge numbers," a friend of Palin�s reportedly informed PopEater. "She knows that celebrities get millions of dollar for each episode of their shows and thinks she's worth it too,� the insider continued, citing Jennifer Aniston and the millions she banked from �Friends� as an example. It was reported that Palin makes $250,000 per episode, bringing her total to two million for the entire season.
While �Sarah Palin�s Alaska� is not pulling in numbers like �Friends� did (�Friends� debuted with 22 million eyeballs and the finale pulled in 52.5 million viewers) PopEater writes that, according to a TV expert, �if Palin plays her cards right, it would not be impossible for her to get $1 million an episode for a second season.�

For those who DO support PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!

�Rumors that there would be a second season of Sarah Palin�s Alaska are false, Ian Lazaran, Conservatives4Palin reported overnight. The rumor originated from �Popeater,� and is the third outright lie they have told about Governor Palin.
Rebecca Mansour offered this sage advice in her Tweet about Popeater:
Rule of thumb: anything �PopEater� reports about Sarah Palin is completely made up � as in fabricated out of thin air.�

It is also being pointed out on the pro-Palin sites that as a mother with five kids, Sarah knows how to multitask.
And she could easily do a �Winter in Palin�s Alaska� before she even gets in the race.

AND SOME OF THE COMPETITION MAY BE DROPPING OUT.

�Politico is reporting that Mike Pence will likely not run for President and instead run for governor of Indiana:
�Sitting Republican Lt. Gov. Becky Skillman�s announcement Monday that she won�t run for governor appears to be pushing Pence toward Indianapolis.�

Does it help Palin too�not having him out of the presidential race, having a strong conservative, tea party embracing candidate running for governor in a usually reliable red state that went to Obama in 2008?
Does it help Palin too�not having him out of the presidential race, having a strong conservative, tea party embracing candidate running for governor in a usually reliable red state that went to Obama in 2008?�

�Jonah Goldberg reports that Mike Huckabee will likely not run for President:
Also, there�s growing buzz that Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and a fierce defender of his top-tier contender status, may not run at all because he�s got a big new contract with Fox News in the works.�


All the above is more reason for those of sensible political acumen to be wary, very wary, of nominating Mrs. Palin for president.

You may note that who she appeals to (as Presidential timber) are of little intellect and small in number.

Nominate her and elect BHO, simple as that.

I'd be interested in learning who the " large in number , highly intelligent " bunch will be nominating .

Seems like you would be the one to know .

We haven't decided yet but I will get back to you on that next year. Be assured we have our best people working on it.

So that would be me?
Of little intellect?
Go to hell.

Never meant you, Bowsinger, you are always very reasoned, erudite, and (mostly) polite in your commentary. That is why I find it difficult to understand why you support the Lady for President.

A Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Yep. He forgot to mention how much you think of yourself, too.

You're actually a defacto bho supporter, ain't-cha?

Q: So you think Sarah Palin could be elected? Do you think Sarah Palin�s electable?

Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana:
A: �Oh, absolutely. I think it�s up to her to make the case to voters. I think we have several � and, by the way, I am biased towards governors and those that have run organizations and executives who�ve had to balance budgets, make tough choices.�
�But when I first ran for governor, Al, the establishment didn�t think I should run. There were folks � I write about it in the book � that didn�t think I should run. The money people got together and said, �Maybe you should get out of the race.� The voters get to decide that.�

Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts:
�We were getting a little long-of-tooth on our stage, if you will, on the national stage, and she re-energized us, and I think she also is one of the � if you will �the instigators behind the tea party movement, which again [with its] energy and intensity gives us a better shot of picking up seats this fall. So I could say nothing except positive things about Sarah Palin."

Jim Demint, Senator from South Carolina:
�Sarah Palin�s done a lot of good for the country. She�s gone out front and taken a lot of the slings and arrows from the critics. When women or minorities get involved in politics as conservatives, they take a lot of hits from the press. And she�s done a lot of good for the Republican Party, and for our country.�

Mike Pence, Congressman from Indiana:
�But with regards to Sarah Palin � she�s a force of nature. I just can�t help it � I just love her. I just think she�s got a bold and courageous voice for conservative values. She doesn�t apologize and I like her style.�

Rudy Giuliani, former New York City Mayor:
�She�s got a hell of a lot more qualifications than Barack Obama had when he ran for President.�

Jeb Bush, former Governor of Florida:
She has incredible skill�
�She�s managed to figure out how to deal with this almost irrational displeasure of
her. She turns it into a huge political strength.�

Karl Rove, Republican strategist and commentator:
�If she�s thinking about running, she�s doing the smart thing�

The bottom line for me is that I don't believe that Sarah Palin is smart enough or worldly enough to be a good POTUS. I voted for McCain, despite his selection of SP for VP, because I didn't believe that Obama had enough experience to be a good POTUS. Obama won on the "I'm not GWB" platform, not because he had any specific plan to get the U.S. economy going again. The most Presidential thing that he had done, at least that I can see, was his termination of Stanley McCrystal. No POTUS can allow a subordinate to be so grossly disrespectful and Obama, to his credit, didn't. But other than that, what good has he done after 2 years on office? The Republican Party needs to find an electable candidate with a strong, specific, platform if they hope to extract Obama from office in 2012.

Of course, I've been wrong before. I never thought that I'd see an Afro-American POTUS in my lifetime and certainly not an Afro-American POTUS with so little actual achievement on his resume.

Jeff

Nowhere in the above do I see any of those luminaries endorsing the lady for the nomination. Rather the term, "Damning with faint praise" springs to mind.

The simple fact remains, nominate the lady and re-elect Hussein.

By the way those aren't luminaries their moderate POS.

Oh and you moderate supporters really need to get off that Hussein is unbeatable drug.

Hate to disagree, but in the Political Pantheon those mentioned are luminaries.

I don't and did not say Hussein is unbeatable just that he is unbeatable by the lady among others. Assume the lady does not run, which is a very good possibility, whom would you like to see as the nominee?

I voted for McCain, because of his selection of SP for VP, miles

YOU are supposed to be telling US who to nominate .Right ?

You're in denial but you are from the State of Denial (Calfornication) what could one expect.

There are those that claim fact where it's opinion and those that claim opinion where it's fact... either is wrong... anything else they say is marginalized on the 'base' of being wrong.

Kent

Notice how Spano always changes the rules of the game when he loses?
He went from: �who she appeals to (as Presidential timber) are of little intellect and small in number.�
To:
�Nowhere in the above do I see any of those luminaries endorsing the lady for the nomination. Rather the term, "Damning with faint praise" springs to mind.�

Reread this very carefully:

Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana:
Q: So you think Sarah Palin could be elected? Do you think Sarah Palin�s electable?
A: �Oh, absolutely. I think it�s up to her to make the case to voters. I think we have several � and, by the way, I am biased towards governors and those that have run organizations and executives who�ve had to balance budgets, make tough choices.�
�But when I first ran for governor, Al, the establishment didn�t think I should run. There were folks � I write about it in the book � that didn�t think I should run. The money people got together and said, �Maybe you should get out of the race.� The voters get to decide that.�

Mike Pence, Congressman from Indiana:
�But with regards to Sarah Palin � she�s a force of nature. I just can�t help it � I just love her. I just think she�s got a bold and courageous voice for conservative values. She doesn�t apologize and I like her style.�

Faint praise�my ass!
Here�s more:

Dick Morris, Republican strategist and commentator:
�The person who is the vice-presidential nominee last time almost automatically has front-runner status if they did a good job, which she did. And I think that she was a fabulous candidate for vice president.�
�I think she�s fabulous. I think she�s wonderful.

Norman Podhoretz, former editor of Commentary Magazine:
�I hereby declare that I would rather be ruled by the Tea Party than by the Democratic Party, and I would rather have Sarah Palin sitting in the Oval Office than Barack Obama.�

Larry Kudlow, Conservative economist (via Twitter):
�Palin-led GOP revolt against Bernanke�s QE2 may pin his ears back and restrict his plan. Bernanke�s on the run. He�s under siege. Good.�

I did read it again and the only near clearcut endorsement is from Dick Morris, a Democrat. I suspect many other Democrats would endorse her and even vote for her in the primaries. Her nomination would ensure BHO a second term.

That is FACT, not fiction or opinion.

I stand by all my previous statements.

Now it is �the only near clearcut endorsement�

I can�t win�you keep changing the rules.

My point was not about endorsements for someone who isn�t even running yet.

My whole point of this whole merry-go-round was/is that: �You may note that who she appeals to (as Presidential timber) are of little intellect and small in number.� is a false statement.

When Bobby Jindal answered:
Q: So you think Sarah Palin could be elected? Do you think Sarah Palin�s electable?
A: �Oh, absolutely.

His statement is not FACT, it is not an endorsement, it is opinion of one of those who finds a lot more to Governor Palin then you do. Later it may well turn into an endorsement �

When you say: �Her nomination would ensure BHO a second term.
That is FACT, not fiction or opinion.�

Your statement is not FACT, it is opinion.

[quote=BOWSINGER][quote=Spanokopitas]
Mike Pence, Congressman from Indiana:
�But with regards to Sarah Palin � she�s a force of nature. I just can�t help it � I just love her. \


Yes a force of Nature! Much like a backed up sewer, full of shi%


Bowsinger, you spend too much time trying to find a reason to like the lady!

Bowsinger you've hit Spanokopitas right between the front pockets with an inconvenient truth as they say. But don't worry he'll continue to spin it. It's the Mexfornia way!

Has Spanokopitas been "refudiated"?

Maybe not, but consider these source(s).
Doubting Sarah

Ever try thinking for yourself man?

Do you always form your opinions (like that Spanky dude does) by what you read or by what you actually see?

Perhaps you should take a careful look at Sarah Palin and make your OWN assessment of her rather than having it spoon fed to you by others?

Ya' know?

O! Them polls! They�d comes and goes!

Washington (CNN) � As the start of the next presidential campaign nears, a new national poll suggests that President Barack Obama's tax-cut compromise with congressional Republicans did not hurt his standing among Democrats, while former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin may be dropping in the eyes of Republicans.
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In the battle for the GOP presidential nomination, the survey suggests Palin may have some work to do if she throws her hat in the ring. Only 49 percent of Republicans say that they are likely to support Sen. John McCain's running mate in 2008 for the Republican nomination in 2012.
"That's a huge 18-point drop since December of 2008, when two-thirds of GOPers said they were likely to support Palin. It also puts her well behind potential rivals Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and a bit behind Newt Gingrich as well," adds Holland.
Two-thirds of Republicans questioned say they would likely support Huckabee as their nominee in 2012. The former Arkansas governor and 2008 GOP presidential candidate is considering another bid for the White House. So is another candidate from the last election, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. Fifty-nine percent of Republicans say they would likely support Romney. That number drops to 54 percent for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia, who is also contemplating a run for the White House.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted December 17-19, with 1,008 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.

1,008 Adult Americans, huh?
How many �Republicans?�
How many registered voters?

This poll reminds me of the big Presidential election in 2008 between the two big poll leaders; Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani�

And in 1980, when Reagan was down 25 points to Jimmy Carter�prolly should�ve dropped out then and there�

I thought the only poll that mattered was back on Nov. 2?

My own assessment is that nominating Palin is risky, like it or not to date she does NOT have the support of independents and moderates to beat BO in a national election. That is the consensus among a variety of different polling and the spread in that polling has been getting larger rather than smaller lately. Granted Palin has another year to work on it but could she actually pull it off? Her polling trends suggests otherwise. IMO the odds are long on her doing it. I do wish Palin well should she decide to run but I see her as the one candidate like no other that could give BO a second term. Is that what some of you really want?

Here�s more:
Michele Bachmann, Congresswoman from Minnesota said Governor Palin is �a woman of extraordinary fortitude.�

Nikki Haley, Governor-elect of South Carolina:
�Gov. Palin has been fabulous at getting people to understand the power of their voice�
�She gave us the push we needed at the time.�

Sean Parnell, Governor of Alaska:
�She�s accomplished more in these two and a half years than most governors accomplish in one or two terms�
�Our governor [Palin] has been a great governor. She is going to be Alaska�s and is Alaska�s greatest gift to our country.�

Marco Rubio, Senator-elect from Florida:
�I can�t think of anything her and I disagree with off the top of my head.�

Rudy Giuliani, former New York City Mayor:
�She�s got a hell of a lot more qualifications than Barack Obama had when he ran for President.�

Karl Rove, Republican strategist and commentator:
�If she�s thinking about running, she�s doing the smart thing�

John McCain, Arizona Senator and former running mate from the 2008 election:
I remember that a guy named Ronald Reagan used to be viewed by some as divisive.�
�I think she�s doing a great job,� he said of his vice-presidential running mate for the 2008 campaign. �She�s motivated our base. I think she had a positive impact on the last election and I�m proud of her.�

Mike Huckabee:
"No question, she will be a very, very strong presence and force, if she gets in�You know, she may run away with it. And that's one of those things everyone needs to be prepared for�Still, Huckabee jokingly added, "If I get in, I prefer she not and that she endorse me."

Squidge, Please read my post about the polls that I posted just before yours and get back to me/us.

Yet again the Palinites can put forward no one of any substance who has come out endorsing the lady. All of the above praise her, as I do, yet none say they would support her for President.

It is obvious that the "Paulites" have morphed into the "Palinites" and now these Zealots will follow their new Chimera into the volcano of disaster.

Bowsinger:

Its great that you have found all of these chearleaders that support Palin. Lets keep in mind that this 2010 and there is no real race for about 8 months or so. None of the statding GOP favorites will risk any negative coments about anyone let alone Palin. She is a media darling and she is doing a great job placing herself out there for all to admire.

Fast foward to Nov. 2011.

Will Palin leave the lime light that she now enjoys to enter the sludge pit of a primary run where lots of folks will be taking shots at here? No she won't.

Will Palin leave the confort of the big money sidelines? No she won't.

Will Palin dive into a primary where she will have to actually have to develop some policy rather than just reaching into the sound bite bag for another cute talking point? No she won't.

Palin has found her nich and she is good at it. Why risk what she has?

Scared, aren't ya?

Let's see - Spano gave you his own opinion without sources and you spat on him. Now Squidge gives you a long list of Republican political figures that span the GOP, but you complain that he does not give you his own opinion. Where is the logic in that?

Hint - could it be that these quotes, all supporting the same point of view, do express his own opinion?

Maybe he means to say that it is not a good idea to nominate for president an ex-beauty queen who resigned from a governorship because she was not able to take the pressure of governing one of the least populated states in the USA, whose best speeches are on Twitter, and who is making about as many goofs as Dan Quail when she is in the public eye?

But I think I see your point about getting her on the election trail: every time she gets up on a speaking platform we get a look at her legs:-)

Say don't you have a sewer to play in?

Who can beat Obama without the Tea Party?


The question is who can win with only the Tea Party? She doesn't have any measurable support among moderates and independents. They were the deciding factor in the last election and will be again in future ones.

I realize the fantasy of Palin the savior dazzles some here, but reality trumps fantasy every time.

With a strongly disapprove at 39% right now, before he does more stupid stuff, almost anybody.

She may be further ahead not running for President and continuing to do other endeavors. Yes, I watch her show from time to time. Who doesn't like watching a decent looking women shoot guns with the beautiful back drop of Alaska. Beats watching the Biggest slob or the Un-amazing Race or a Presidential speech.

This is EXACTLY what all the T-Baggers were spouting about Sharon Angle...remember? Harry is still Majority Leader, by the way, just as I said he would be.

It's tough to overcome stupidity!

Dick Morris hasn't been a democrat for years; get with the program.

Odd that if she doesn't have the support of independents and moderates she sure got a lot of them to vote for candidates she endorsed, both in primaries and general elections. Had to read a book for a college statistics class titled "How to Lie with Statistics". Quite appropriate for many of the various polls.

Don't know of any regular folks (i.e. voters) who give a chit what the [bleep] luminaries think! We have had it with those idiots.

I remember reading your posts regarding "the polls" and Christine O'Donnell, you were way off the mark on that one too.

T Baggers, huh? Wow! Never figured you that way.

Is that slimey criminal Reed running for President? Will the race be decided in Las Vegas, or even Nevada? Is Angle the candidate being discussed? Somehow I don't see much connection, except that maybe you threw in the towel before the race was over.

All I know is that Dick Morris claims to (still) be a Democrat. Can you show me where he claims to be a Republican? If so I will gladly accept it.

I stand by all my previous statements.

Those "luminaries" you belittle were put forward as endorsers of Palin. Like it or not those luminaries are a lot more influential than you and I will ever be.

I would like to know your source for Morris claiming to still be a Democrat.
My look-up produced no statements of Registered anything.
But my look-ups often do not produce anything.

The way Morris has always worked both sides�I doubt that he can afford to join either party officially.

Unofficially is a whole different ball game.

In 1994 he worked for both Bill Clinton and Trent Lott. Several other Repubs since.
And Bill Clinton has said, in effect, that Morris is a slime ball, but he is my slime ball and I need him.
I think it is fair to characterize Morris as more anti-Clinton than anti-Democrat after their big break-up. He hates Hillary�s guts!

But after Obama; it has been all anti-Liberal and pro-Tea Party.
What he also said during his speechifying this past year in that he is born again republican because he hates Hilary and Hussein. And a born-again Christian.

7/16/2010 By Leslie Jorgensen THE COLORADO STATESMAN
Calling himself a former Democrat and atheist, political consultant and author Dick Morris told several hundred conservatives there�s salvation for America�s economic crisis � elect hard core Republicans to regain control of the U.S. Senate and House.
[�]
During the 1996 National Democratic Convention in Chicago, a supermarket tabloid story alleged Morris had had an affair with a call girl. He denied the assertion, but promptly resigned as a political advisor on President Bill Clinton�s re-election campaign.
�I was baptized as a Christian in 1997,� Morris told the breakfast crowd in the Denver Marriott South�s Park Ridge ballroom. �So when people say you switched parties, I say under my breath, you don�t know the half of it.�

Morris worked hard for the Tea Party and I�m sure made a lot of money doing so this past election.
And he claims a lot of credit for the victory just as he did during the Clinton years:

�In the races where I was directly involved with the candidates and campaigns, we won the following 28 Congressional races, all takeaways from the Democrats: (asterisk denotes districts where I personally campaigned)
Nan Hayworth, New York*
Tom Marino, Pennsylvania*
Lou Barletta, Pennsylvania
Mike Fitzpatrick, Pennsylvania
Robert Hurt, Virginia*
Scott Rigell, Virginia*
Morgan Griffith, Virginia
Mike Keown, Georgia
Austin Scott, Georgia
Sandy Adams, Florida*
Dan Webster, Florida*
David Rivera, Florida*
Steve Palazzo, Mississippi*
Alan Nunnelee, Mississippi*
Tim Griffin, Arkansas*
Rick Crawford, Arkansas*
Francisco Canseco, Texas
Steve Pearce, New Mexico*
David Harmer, California*
Scott Tipton, Colorado*
Cory Gardiner, Colorado*
Randy Hultgren, Illinois*
Todd Young, Indiana*
Sean Duffy, Wisconsin*
Jim Renacci, Ohio
Bob Gibbs, Ohio*
Bill Johnson, Ohio*

We lost a few, too: Sam Caligiari, CT, Dan Dibecella, CT, John Gomez, NY, Frank Becker, NY, Tim Burns, Pa, Beth Anne Rankin, Arkansas, Ryan Frazier, Colorado, Tom Ganley, Ohio, and Brad Zaun, Iowa.
Each of these men and women has a special place in my heart. They worked their tails off and deserved to win!
In addition, I also advised Super PAC (superpacusa.com) on its independent expenditures in 23 other districts. In these, I had no personal contact with the candidate or the campaigns, but through Super PAC and your generosity, we produced and ran television ads and/or made robo calls into these districts. We won eleven of these races. Without your help, we would not have been able to help elect these new House members:
Paul Gosar, Arizona
Ben Quayle, Arizona
David Schweikert, Arizona
Steve Sutherland, Florida
Raul Labrador, Idaho
Tim Walberg, Michigan
Chip Cravaack, Minnesota
Michael Grimm, NY
Richard Hanna, NY
Scott DesJarlis, Tenn
Reid Ribble, Wisconsin
That means there would, literally, be five to ten fewer House victories had you not helped our Super PAC efforts.
So, in all, we�ve been involved in 40 of the 65 House takeaways, either directly with the campaigns or independent of them.
Thank you for your wonderful, magnificent, ongoing help! Sorry we bugged you so often, but it was worth it. Wasn�t it?�
Dick

How does quoting a poll or polls that got it wrong make me or you off the mark?
Or, on the mark, if a poll gets it right?

I just said and still say the only poll that mattered was back on Nov. 2 and it was a big victory for both the Tea Party and Governor Palin.

They could not have done it without pulling in the moderate/independent voters.
And that they did do.

You Betcha, with landslide numbers and as I posted in my OP it is shaping up for bigger and better in 2012.

One "previous statements " you HAVN'T made - and this is the third time on this thread I've asked the question - who should we support , if not Sarah Darlin' ?

Who among the Republicans can beat Obama ? Remember , close don't count .

You claim we - the unwashed masses - will be handing the victory to Obama if we nominate Palin .

So ........ who can we nominate that can beat Obama ?

Pretty simple question , really .

It sure is, and stupidity nominated the stupidest possible Senate candidate.

I just said it to see the neck hackle rise.

Actually, I went to the rallies and held up my signs, too, so I'm one of those "Tea Baggers".

I didn't throw in any towel; she was a lost cause from the start. We have lived with her nonsense for years and knew what we had as a candidate all along. She had a lot of negatives, as does Palin.

I deeply believe in what the Tea Party says, but I don't agree on certain of their backed candidates as potential winners.

That is my only point here. Palin would be GREAT....if she could win. I don't see it happening.

Since Spanky won't answer , I'll ask YOU ; If not Sarah Darlin' .... then who ?

I think Spanky and the rest of the "pros" who complain about Sarah are really just frustrated because they can't dream up an alternative . I don't think the GOP can nominate "generic republican" .

dog,

I don't see anyone rising to the top yet. Why the h@ll should there be already? The election isn't next month.

I really think this debate is moot...she is too d@mned smart to want to be president. She's making too much $$ and would take a real hit in income. I also believe her family life is far too important to go on the campaign trail again.

I think we need to start looking seriously at alternatives who have plenty of positives. It just makes sense.

I'm one that thinks Sarah can't beat Obama .But neither can Huckabee or Gingrich .

I personally think Romney needs to do whatever it takes to redeem himself in the eyes of the Tea Party and he needs to do it quickly .

The longer all the rest of them wait , the more it makes Sarah the kingmaker .

And she might just decide to crown herself !

Don't get me wrong - I think she could handle the job as president [ like ol' Kinky said about being Governor ; "How hard can it be?" ] as well as any of the other likely ones .

One thing that scares me about all the pres. candidates of both parties that we have had in recent years is this :

None of them seem to doubt their ability to do the job . Any guy taking his first job as head coach in the NFL is gonna be apprehensive about his ability .

Not so with Pres. candidates . I think they all believe what Kinky said !

With Romney's past he is a POS moderate you could never trust.

I have said before and I will say again, I have not yet decided who to support. There is plenty of time before I will announce my candidate. Meanwhile I am researching the possibilities and I also have my best people working on it. If at all possible I will first announce my choice right here on the 'fire. Stand by.

As to Morris, I believe I heard him on Hannity state that he is a Democrat, there is no doubt he once was. He has always been a bit of a weasel so I wouldn't put it past him to be a turncoat. Another Arlen Spector or "Jumpin" Jim Jeffords?

I like not much about him except his electability . I've always been one to vote my conscience [ Wallace and Perot ] and let the chips fall where they may .

This Obama is much to dangerous to allow ourselves the luxery of conscience when the price might be his re-election .

All of you pros espousing that there is no hurry to pick a candidate are WRONG !

Pretty good question, really.

Yet to be answered by several on this thread�

Some names have been tossed about with little to back them up.
Maybe just a poll with their guy ahead of Palin by a few points and close to Obama.
Other polls differ and they all will change many times in the next two years.
Candidates will change. Some of the new faces looking good but they will have only about six months max in their new jobs before they would have to commit.
And good people like Rep. Paul Ryan will have their hands full for the next two years.

One poll that won�t change is the last election and if I had to give only one of my many reasons why I think Palin can beat Obama�it would be her support in the Tea Party.

I�m predicting that the Tea Party will hang tough and do well in the next two years.
And they will convince the moderate/independent voters that their vote in 2010 was not wasted.
Convince them to vote for the Tea Party presidential candidate and more Senators.
Then hang on for a real ride!

So ........ who can we nominate that can beat Obama ?

How �bout we let Sarah Darlin� answer that:

Here is what she told Chris Wallace awhile back:

"I do want competition to allow the cream of the crop to rise (in the GOP contests),"

+100 If Romney gets it we will have a repeat of 2008.

Much to be tossed, turned, and ruminated upon, many entrails to be examined, many ti leaves to be read, many pipes to be smoked, before I decide The One.

You must understand this is not an easy decision, all I ask is that you give me time. Then all shall be well. Trust me.

If the Republicans field a candidate who is truly fiscally conservative, truly believes in small government (and the requisite much smaller military footprint), and-here's the crucial part- stays away from the puritanical schoolmarm bullchit, they'll have a chance.

Otherwise they won't.

The hot-button sexual and moral issues are the kiss of death for conservatives. America doesn't want to be preached at.

Palin would be about the worst possible candidate. She's not believable as anything other than a social-issue crusader.

IMHO, and while nobody here will believe it, I really, really hope the Republicans field a worthy candidate who unseats Obama.

amen

Too late now you son-of-a-bitch...........you already cursed us by helping to put that Devil in the White House!!

��as Presidential timber��Remember way back when Governor Palin warned that reducing Alaska�s early warning missile defenses capabilities was shortsighted with all that is going on in North Korea?

Remember when the Governor went to Hong Kong and warned about the collapse in the value of the dollar and spoke of the importance of gold?

And came back home and warned the rest of us about the dangers of the Federal Reserve�s second round of quantitative easing.?

Remember when Governor Palin opined that the best answer to the question of the West Bank settlements was to let the Israelis decide, a policy the administration is now following?

Remember how Palin was campaigning to develop our ONSHORE energy resources�years before the Gulf Oil Spill?

And this:

Remember Governor Palin being ridiculed by all those from Charles Krauthammer up to and including Obama for her �death panels� Obamacare rationing predictions?
Remember after that, when Congress removed the death panels they said were never there?
They�re back.

Jeff_O---A succinct summary of the problems facing the Conservative Movement today and into 2012. That is why selecting the nominee is of deadly importance.

If we send up an unelectable "Social" Conservative it will be disaster.

These positions are very easy to posit if you are a private citizen, fresh from a half term as the Governor of a very small state. But then she is a "reality" TV celebrity and a great fund raiser for Conservatives and Conservative causes. She will continue to be a very effective tool if handled adroitly.

May she continue to prosper.

Thus speakest Spanokopitas the Magnificent!

Spano, you are right. Hell, anybody could have written that crap. Even Palin!

�These positions are very easy to posit if you are a private citizen,�

Actually, that was the stupidest statement posted so far on this long thread.

Posted by Spano, whom I believe to be one of the most clever writers on Campfire.

Nobody could be as condescending and patronizing as he would have us to believe.

�Meanwhile I am researching the possibilities and I also have my best people working on it. If at all possible I will first announce my choice right here on the 'fire. Stand by.�

Nobody could be this pompous. Nobody.

�You may note that who she appeals to (as Presidential timber) are of little intellect and small in number.�

Nobody could be this disdainful and contemptuous of those who do not agree with his Omniscient Proclamations.

�Reliable sources tell me that Governor Palin is definitely in the race for the Republican nomination. She will announce her decision "soon.

Remember you read it here first.---Spanokopitas
Notice that I am first here and quit possibly the first nationwide to break this important news, or does Drudge have it up? Haven't checked him this morning.

Disaster awaits.
Her nomination would ensure BHO a second term.
That is FACT, not fiction or opinion.�

Spano, you overplayed your hand when you posted:

�At this juncture polls mean little or nothing. For instance my people tell me she would lose in a landslide to BHO.
That would be disaster for this nascent Conservative resurgence.
Disaster awaits.�

And I posted:

�I wanted my people-my staff to look into more polls about Palin�
But she told me that the only poll that counts was the last election and she is going Xmas shopping now and I would have to do my own research.
She also told me I could fix my own damn supper tonight.�

Then you blew it with:

�Tonight we are having goat shanks simmered in Marsala served with Chantrelles, polenta, and bok choy. Also on the menu is fresh baked focaccio and a bottle of Italian wine. Dessert will be Biscotti and fruit. And, no, you are not invited.�

That night after I finished my can of SteaknShake chili and popped my second can of beer�it came to me.

It is time�you have a class act, but it is over. You have been outed.
You have been a convenient backboard for us Palin Patriots for rebounds and you have done more than your fair share to keep threads like this one alive.

But it too easy for you. All you have to do, is keyboard a couple of lines and sit back and watch the fun.

It is time to let folks know (those who haven�t already figured this out long before me).
What is going on here.

Spano is one hell of a writer!

Hmmmmm ... Maybe it wasn't Lee24 who invented Gus ,after all .Maybe it was Spano !

LOL right now Sarah is the top darlin but just sit there drooling about all those moderate neverbees.

I appreciate accolades even from those of limited political savvy. Thank you.---Spano.

I neither confirm or deny.

I didn't think your reading comprehension was above the 10th percentile; now I know.

Where did I ever suggest I was for a moderate? You are getting so confused.

Please�all you guys who have been poking about Campfire longer than me�tell me that I�m not wrong about this. Please!

You're wrong.

deal widdit.

I got seniority - and Bowsinger be right .I ain't too sure what he wants to be right about , but since it's him and Spanky , Bowsinger got to be right .

You got that wrong Bristoe is correct.

Mr Bristoe , by his own admission , is injured and drunk .

That's when my insight is the keenest.

I ain't gonna argue that point .Why don't we declare both of 'em wrong and fine 'em a quart of whiskey apiece ?

I ain't in no position to levy fines,...and even if I was,...a quart of hootch from everybody who was wrong on here would be more than I could haul.

Here's what it is,...

You're on your own.

Palin or nobody else is gonna save your ass.

And,....at the risk of sounding redundant,..

*ahem*,...*cough cough*,.."deal widdit".

see below.

I'm not the Nihilist Bristoe is but if Palin is nominated I'll be singing his song.

Happy New Year

When they woke me up this morning and told me it was 2011�I thought maybe it is time for a review of 2010. To be followed by a little forecasting.
After I found my laptop, I noticed that the pro Palin sites are doing their Top Ten Palin Moments in 2010. Why not.
However, many are cheating and posting as many as 20 in their top 10 lists.
Here is where I think the problem lies.

�While other Republicans followed predictable and even plodding paths toward the White House this year, Palin has moved along two parallel tracks, one befitting a candidate, the other designed for a celebrity. It is often hard to tell where one stops and the other begins, and that is by design.� TIME Magazine

So my list will be two parallel tracks:
a. Presidential Timber/Gravitas as in policy positions and political endorsements.
Stuff like that.
b. Celebrity earned as Americans realize Sarah is the �real deal.�
Ronald Reagan�s little sister.


1a. Palin�s outstanding, completely unequalled role in the mid-term primaries and general elections.
1b. Leaning into the desert wind with flags snapping at the Searchlight, Nevada Tea Party Rally. Something special was happening that day.

2a. Palin standing shoulder to shoulder and endorsing Nikki Haley SC, which turned Haley�s campaign around. Renee Ellmers in NC, Ruth McClung in AZ, Suzanna Martinez in NM, and all those other Mama Grizzlies. Her five-person endorsement sweep in Florida. Even her endorsement of Christine O�Donnell�s stunning victory over Mike Castle in the Delaware Republican primary.
2b. Her �corrupt bastards� appearance with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday and Sarah cracking up Chris with �Buck up or get in the truck.!�

3a. Palin�s speech about Honor to more than 500,000 people who showed up at the Restoring Honor rally in D.C. on Aug. 28, 2010. Speaking before half a million people is a big deal.
3b. That photo of Sarah praying, all by herself, for several quiet minutes, before striding on stage.

4a. Palin�s spot-on commentary election night on FOX News and her split screen commentary when Obama entered the house chamber for his State of the Union speech.
And all her toe to toe, face to face interviews with Big Bad Bill and the other prime time FOX hosts over the past year.
4b. Sarah sitting with the first female VP candidate, Geraldine Ferraro, being interviewed by Megan Kelly. Ferraro was liberal and Palin was graceful; showing nothing but respect for Ferraro.

5a. Palin�s relentless, fearless attacks on Obama and ObamaCare and counterpunching with what HealthCare should be.
5b. Standing at all those podiums at all those events for all those special needs children.
And on SPAK when she started crying while talking about Trig growing up to be a great kid like her nephew.

6a. Palin�s relentless, fearless attacks on Obama and his month long failure to do anything about the worst oil spill in our history.
6b. When Sarah offered to provide oil spill experts from Alaska and offering to met with BP herself.

7a. Palin�s GOP Road to Victory speech in Anaheim, CA. almost as good as her 2008 VP speech. Complete with the same goosebumps and stand-up cheering quotas. It will be back in 2011.
7b. �They act like they�re permanent residents of some Unicorn ranch in Fantasy land� Gov. Sarah Palin

8a. Palin�s relentless, fearless attacks on Obama and all his tax and spend, printing press inflation, redistributive economics/wealth transfer schemes, pork and earmarks.
8b. �Come November, we�re going to print pink slips for members of Congress as fast as they�ve been printing money.� Gov. Sarah Palin
"Please God, don't let anyone tell Obama what number comes after a trillion." Gov. Sarah Palin

9a. Palin/Bachmann rally in Minnesota. The two alpha Mama grizzlies on the same stage. Looking like a 2012 Presidential Ticket.
9b. While Martina McBride was belting out �This One�s for the Girls� in the background.

10a. Palin�s relentless, fearless attacks on Obama and his failure to restart the American Engine. Her absolutely spot on Ryan�s Roadmap response.
10b. Palin�s people serving Caribou jerky at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans, LA.
"What we got here is a difference of opinion, but that's nothing a good, old-fashioned election can't fix." Gov. Sarah Palin.

11a. Palin�s absolutely spot on letter to the new 2012 Congress members and all the other opp-eds that I can�t fit in my Top Ten. Two� count em� two best sellers.
11b. When signing copies of �America by Heart� in Andover KS, Gov. Palin taking a bracelet off her wrist and gave it to, first in line, 5 year old, Sarah Kester.
Little Sarah had been waiting with her grandmother for hours to met her hero.
To met the pretty lady her grandmother said will be the 45th President of the United States.

12a. Palin standing shoulder to shoulder in Arizona with Gov. Jan Brewer.
12b.Looking right though the camera and into Obama�s eye:
�Mr. President, do your job�.Secure our borders�. Gov. Sarah Palin.

13a. Palin impressing the Hell out of nemesis at the Boston Tea Party.
13b. Palin impressing the Hell out of nemesis at the Boston Tea Party.

That�s my Top Ten List.
It wasn�t easy. Had to leave a lot out.
To be followed by a little forecasting.

Don't confuse them with facts they don't want to hear. Now the moderates don't want to hear any of this cause they know Sarah would out their useless asses. She could set the Democrats back a hundred years.

She would set the Republicans back to pre-Lincoln times.

and she can't cycle a bolt or shoot for [bleep].

I doubt she knows a bolt from a bullet, but she is doing a damn fine job of raising big bucks for Conservatives, Conservative causes and...Herself. Good on the gentlelady.

Your top 10 list is enough to make all of us sick! Please remember it is not "Gov. Sarah Palin but Ex-Gov (thank God!)
6a. Palin�s relentless, fearless attacks on Obama and his month long failure to do anything about the worst oil spill in our history. Deregulation by the Bush administration is responsible for this mess and no one today had anything to do with this accident.

6b. When Sarah offered to provide oil spill experts from Alaska and offering to met with BP herself.
Exactly how could the Ex-Gov. of Alaska meeting with BP and how would her meeting with them help out? Another question is the last thing the Gulf needed was "experts from Alaska" offering help. The Exxon-Valdez spill was anything but the text book spill response.


Ex- Gov. Sarah Palin
"Please God, don't let anyone tell Obama what number comes after a trillion." Gov. Sarah Palin
Who is going to tell Palin what number comes next?
9a. Palin/Bachmann rally in Minnesota. The two alpha Mama grizzlies on the same stage. Looking like a 2012 Presidential Ticket.

12a. Palin standing shoulder to shoulder in Arizona with Gov. Jan Brewer.


Lump Palin, Bachmann and Brewer together and you have the trifecta of the countries dumbest ladies! Toss in the Witch and its a home run!

Geee! You can do better than this for gods sake!

Evidently, you can�t see worth a [bleep].

Keep spinning it Spanky!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/14/sarah-palins-boston-tea-p_n_537840.html

I'm on a roll(spin?) and it seems I'm not alone.

What you and Perky's pals are seeing here is indicative of general opposition to her nomination. My opposition is directed to her running for president not her political beliefs, most of which I am in concert with.

As I have said numerous times; she is a valuable asset to Conservatives and Conservative causes. As long as she is handled adroitly and kept away from Presidential aspirations she will continue to be a powerful tool in furthering the ascension of Conservative ideals and perhaps the defeat of BHO in 2012.

What's wrong with that?

Damn this thread needs to be put to sleep.

She is nothing more than a good lookin cheerleader. Can't ever get elected...to prove my point this guy would even beat her.

Stand by for incoming from the Palinites. Right about now they are re-grouping and reloading.

I'll tell you what's wrong with THAT , friend Spano ;

The Tea Party message is "part by part". Folks tend to hear only what they agree with and discount the rest .

Down at the "gut" level , that area that doesn't have to be explainable to be valid , the TP message is :

WE ARE TIRED OF ELITES TRYING TO MANAGE OUR THINKING !

That's "Elites" in the Dem party , Repub party, news media ,and THE CAMPFIRE !

You say you agree mostly with her message etc etc. Well....We agree with yours etc etc . But you damn well better get somebody up front and speaking it .

Sarah darlin' has thrown down the gauntlet and y'all are all stumbling around confused and sayin' it ain't time yet .

YOU STILL DON"T GET IT ! THE LADY CHANGED THE RULES !She's in a position to do it and she did .

If she gets the nomination and loses to OBAMA through some mis step of her own making , it won't be our fault for nominating her , it will be your fault for not offering an alternative in a timely fashion .

Jimmy Carter re-wrote the "rules" to get the nomination in '76 and Sarah's doing it for 2012.

What�s wrong with that is your last line about keeping Sarah out of contention in the primary races.

As I have said numerous times; let her compete. She has certainly earned the right!

Sarah has also said numerous times that the primaries and the elections are where the cream will raise to the top.

Let em all debate and take their turns in the FOX news spotlight.
Whomever tops out will beat the liberal socialist agenda like a rented mule.
2012 will be a repeat of 2010.

Obama was not all that impressive in his debates with Hillary. No teleprompter.
And he hasn�t done so well lately with a teleprompter. Doesn�t look all that happy.

Hillary has to be careful not to be too strident and figure out some way not to look so old and downbeat. Her tough job maybe wearing on her.
Nobody is going to be calling her �perky� or even upbeat unless she quits her job soon and gets a good rest before any grueling campaign.

I used to think that she would be the one to challenge Obama. Now I�m not so sure.
Maybe Feingold? Maybe some left wing loon to pacify the pissed off far left?

�Damn this thread needs to be put to sleep.�


It is a long thread, isn�t it?
But all of the Palin threads seem to run a lot longer than those of the other usual suspects�

The Power of Palin.

Palin is being paid to direct the focus of the Tea Party towards mainstream neocon candidates with a mixed message which contains both libertarian and imperialistic ideology.

She will strongly hint that she is to be a candidate, then after stirring up the ill informed voting mass which now makes up the preponderance of the Tea Party, she will throw her support behind the candidate who is chosen by her neocon handlers.

EASY ON THE EYE, but no POTUS, and if running the government like her family
life we really have issues.

Stand by for incoming from the Palinites. Right about now they are re-grouping and reloading.

Obviously Palin has made some missteps in the last year, this is reflected by her weakening poll numbers and a growth in her negative rating among the general population. Even her support among Republicans has fallen in the last year if one is to believe the polling. Outside of the Tea Party where she is wildly popular she has a very high negative ratings. The question is why? I am still trying to put my finger on it but my guess is that her rhetoric in the lead up to the last election moved too far to the right in our center right country. This has led to a loss of support for Palin among moderates and independents, the very segment of the population she would need to beat Obama in 2012.

Without the overall support of moderates and independents she is unlikely to beat BO in 2012, Tea Party support alone just won't cut it. The real question is what does Palin need to do in the next year to win back moderates and independents? Figure that out and there is a path forward, fail to figure it out and nominating her will likely lead to four more years of BO.

Well stated.

I have nothing against her entering the primaries, I'd rather she didn't because I think her early and certain defeat will diminish her political horsepower. Fortunately at this time there are a number of more electable possibilities on the horizon.

The very fact that she raises so many hackles on a Conservative forum is indicative of the very thin support she would garner from the wider political spectrum.

I believe that once she has ground the last grain out of political celebrity she will endorse a more mainstream candidate.

Actually, I can do better.
I have this list of One Hundred Top Palin Moments if you want to see it.

Oh, please spare us all.

www.associatedcontent.com/article/6054748/head_up_the_ass_incorporated.html

In the landslide victory of 2010 the Tea Party won with the support of the moderates and independents. Most in the TP would describe themselves as such.

You have given no reason why 2012 won�t be a repeat. As I pointed out in my OP, many factors including redistricting are moving red.
I have a whole list of polls showing Palin slightly ahead of the other candidates.
Polls that show Romney dropping faster than anyone.
It means nothing�only poll that counts at this time is the 2010 election results.

I would like to know what missteps Sarah has made.
Where has she moved to far too the right and where is this big drop off in support?
Do you want to compare Palin books sales with Romney or Obama book sales?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gwg_fan/3989664005/

Just for you, BOWSINGER

Check out her caribou hunt on You Tube, she can't cycle a bolt or shoot,,,a couple of things she claims to be good at.

Her shows reminds me of Leave it to Beaver meets the Outdoor Channel. Not good.

I did give you a reason Bowsinger, you are just deaf to hearing to it.

Bolt cycling isn't high on the list of Presidential qualifications. However appeal to a large cross section of voters is and she is a lot worse at that than bolt cycling.

My point is, last election, Miss Palin painted herself to be some pistol packing, moose and wolf killing, 2nd. Amendment loving, back woods Alaskan.

She proved she is not, and if she will BS about that,,,,

Its tough being something you are not.

Whom am I going to believe?

You or my lying eyes�

A politician, evidently.

,..hardly ever a good bet.

Well,..that's a decent (albeit typical) political sermon,..

But I didn't hear her say any specifics about what she has planned for deaing with the problems with our monetary system or the national debt,...or anything else, for that matter.

,.....just a buncha partisan mean mouthing so all of those knotheads would stand up and holler.

I agree. BTW it's Mrs. not Miss Palin.

Fortunately there are not enough knotheads to get her nominated.

However there may well be enough knotheads to get BHO reelected if Conservatives continue to waste time and treasure pimping for Perky.

It really doesn't matter.

The reason no politicians speak in specifics is because none of them have the answer to a 14 trillion dollar national debt, a 1.5 trillion dollar annual budget deficit and 50-100 trillion dollars in entitlements due over the next 25 years.

Usin' my very best thinkin' , I wound up broke , which proves I don't know a damn thing about economics .So; I got a question for those of you who do :

Y'all used to tell us that the Nat'l debt was money we really owed ourselves , so it was not something that should concern us unlearned ones .

Then I started hearin' that it was money that we owed the Chinamen and I don't think they can repo us , so what's the big deal ?

How's THAT for a stump speech ?

Over 40% of the national debt is owed to the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is privately owned.

You got a piece of it ?

Last I heard the ChiComs owned less than 20% of our debt. Last thing they want is for us to default. What are they going to do? Repo California? (A lot around here would think that a good idea.)

Why do you think the Chinamen can buy our debt? Because we buy their products which means they have dollars to invest in US Treasuries. What's wrong with that?

They're very selective about who get's to buy Federal Reserve stock.

The people will never have "a piece" of it.

If you own stock in a member bank you got a piece of it.

At last count, China held somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 trillion dollars of U.S. debt,...mostly in the form of U.S. Treasury bonds.

Lately, the Chinese have been getting nevous about their bond investments because the quantitative easing by the Fderal Reserve is weakening the dollar, hence, making the Chinese investment in Treasury bonds worth less.

If push comes to shove, the Chinese could sell off their U.S. debt, which would have the same effect as dumping a trillion dollars of new money into the system,....which would have a disasterous effect on the dollar and cause inflation to skyrocket.

More importantly, however, the actions of the Federal Reserve has made U.S. Treasury Bonds a much less desirable investment.

Nobody is lining up to invest in the American dollar anymore,...because it's obvious to the world that the actions of the Federal Reserve are making dollars worth less.

Nobody invests in something that is depreciating in value.

Here's what China is doing to offset their bad investment in U.S. Treasury Bonds.

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/china-gold-federalreserve/2010/12/03/id/378884

China Massively Buying Gold

The Wall Street Journal reports Friday that gold prices are soaring to record highs as a new powerful factor has emerged as a driver of that rally � China.

According to the Journal, China is now buying huge amounts of gold fearing inflation as the Federal Reserve begins a new set of quantitative easing policies.

The paper�s report � �China Buys In to Gold�s Allure� � cites key data released by China�s state-run Xinhua news agency showing that China imported 209.7 metric tons of gold in the first 10 months of this year. That�s a five hundred percent increase compared to the same period in 2009.

Since you and Spano seem to have a handle on the problem I'm going to go back to not worrying about it .

It is kinda funny that y'all seem to have entirely different takes on the economy but agree that Palin ain't gonna help anything .

I might just write in the two of you for Pres and VP . Coin flip to determine placement .

Spano is a lost ball in tall weeds.

I get it . China will start offering gold cheaper than Glenn Beck .

Guess they'll make up the loss on volume .[I do know a little bit about economics , after all]

No,...China will hold the gold in reserve as a hedge against the inflation which is being caused by the Fed dumping hundreds of billions of dollars of new money into circulation.

They had to buy it frome SOMEWHERE so I guess some folks ain't real attached to it or ain't worried about inflation .

The produce it "in house". They're just selling less of it to outside entities now.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-now-worlds-largest-gold-producer-foreign-miners-at-door

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - China became the world's largest gold producer last year, helped by Canadian- and Australian-led projects that aim to add millions in ounces to the world gold supply.

China produced 276 metric tons of gold last year, equal to about 9.7 million ounces, said London precious metals consultancy GFMS Ltd. in a report released Thursday. That's up 12% from the year-ago and represented just over one-tenth of the world's supply.

This is getting interesting -God,I love this place at times .

So , Glen Beck's buyin' gold from China and selling it to TRH etal at a profit .Hmmmmmmmm.

I smell a conspiracy , here .

Glenn Beck is some knothead that gets paid to babble nonsense on TV.

None of the nonsense babbling knotheads on TV have anything to tell you that you need to know.

'preciate the heads up but I decided before he ever went on Fox that - while Beck ranks up there pretty high - I can get my "drama queen fix" from one of the masters right here on the 'fire.

TRH , even when he ain't at the top of his game , could teach Beck about drama .

Not disagreeing with your assessment at all about China and the debt and deficit, but how do the numbers play out in terms of percentages against the GNP or other yardsticks?

I do disagree however that the new crop of politicians do not have these issues on their plate.
This weekend, several were talking on FOX about all that being a big item after they are sworn in this month.

I know you don�t agree with how Paul Ryan has sometimes voted in the past, but what do you think about the specifics in his Roadmap?

He and Palin have both been very specific about taxing and spending, printing press inflation, and redistributive economics.

Important first steps, but I�m not expecting too much until 2013...

You speak much too knowledgably about the propagandists on TV to not be influenced by them.

The fourth estate is dead.

,..deal widdit.

His roadmap would be much easier to implement if he hadn't participated in the theft of 700 billion dollars of the nation's wealth.

I don't put much stock in the words of thieves.

I look at their deeds.

No,..they haven't.

Exactly how much will be cut, exactly from where, and exactly when.

That's how you speak in specifics.

The fourth estate dead ? No way . You ain't as old as me and I still enjoy WATCHING the latest set of jiggly titties reading the news , and Fox has the market cornered on that deal !

Yeah Bristoe, Sarah's just one of those ol' "mean mouther's I guess.......

Posted on January 03 2011 by: Ian Lazaran

The most interesting piece of news from today�s RNC debate is the general consensus from even people who are anti-Steele that Michael Steele appears to have won the debate. That shouldn�t be a surprise considering how well the debate format fits Steele.


The other piece of news from the debate is that each RNC candidate stated that Governor Palin can obviously win a general election campaign against Obama. All five of the candidates for the RNC Chair position have a lot of political experience in campaigns and the fact that all five of them made such a concession should carry a lot of weight. I think each candidate for the RNC Chair knows a little bit more about politics than people who have not run for office and done nothing but write op-eds for the past twenty years.

Now, Really , could any of them say "no" and expect to get the job ?

Prolly not.

They would have said the same thing about any other candidate, viable or not.

Is this the "Perky" you're referring to?

You [bleep] dipschit!

Your too much!

There are certain people here of limited political acumen who continue to pimp some half term governor of a diminuative state for President.

If I were a Democrat I would be in full agreement.

Yes, they have.

Exactly how much will be cut�is not the way it works.
You have to develop a plan what will work no matter what the dollars are.

No one could name the exact amount before a bill has worked its way though all the committees in both houses and has been signed into law.

The better way and the way it worked in �94 is a plan that will solve the problem no matter what the specifics are.

A law requiring a balanced budget would work no matter what the amounts.
Pay as you go no matter what.

Uncle Newt�s balanced budget came in three years before they had any hope of it doing so. Clinton couldn�t wait to sign that bill and take credit for it.
Prespecified amounts and timetables would not have worked as well.

Prespecified where and when must have some flexibility and be defined in fairly broad terms because no one knows for sure what future conditions and requirements will be.

You are exactly right that the big three federal budget busters are Defense, Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid.
Work out the goals first and require by law that the specifics follow.
Uncle Newt proved it can be done.

I posted Palin�s specifics back on page six of this thread.
She is supporting the best plan out there at this time and leaving room for improvement�for flexibility.
Your crack: �She just says she'll do whatever Paul Ryan says to do.� was a cheap shot.

And Paul Ryan and all those who voted the same way were doing what seemed the best at that time. They may have been wrong, but they were not trying to steal but to stop a disaster�a worldwide depression. Another cheap shot.

Here is that post again.
The numbers are there.
It would be impossible in the real world to be any more specific then this:

I�m still agreeing with what Sarah said in her Op-Ed at the Wall Street Journal:

��In my view, a better plan is the Roadmap for America�s Future produced by Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wisc.). The Roadmap offers a reliable path to long-term solvency for our entitlement programs, and it does so by encouraging personal responsibility and independence.

On health care, it would replace ObamaCare with a new system in which people are given greater control over their own health-care spending. It achieves this partly through creating medical savings accounts and a new health-care tax credit�the only tax credit that would be left in a radically simplified new income tax system that people can opt into if they wish.

The Roadmap would also replace our high and anticompetitive corporate income tax with a business consumption tax of just 8.5%. The overall tax burden would be limited to 19% of GDP (compared to 21% under the deficit commission�s proposals). Beyond that, Rep. Ryan proposes fundamental reform of Medicare for those under 55 by turning the current benefit into a voucher with which people can purchase their own care.

On Social Security, as with Medicare, the Roadmap honors our commitments to those who are already receiving benefits by guaranteeing all existing rights to people over the age of 55. Those below that age are offered a choice: They can remain in the traditional government-run system or direct a portion of their payroll taxes to personal accounts, owned by them, managed by the Social Security Administration and guaranteed by the federal government. Under the Roadmap�s proposals, they can pass these savings onto their heirs. The current Medicaid system, the majority of which is paid for by the federal government but administered by the states, would be replaced by a block-grant system that would reward economizing states.

Together these reforms help to secure our entitlement programs for the 21st century. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the Roadmap would lead to lower deficits and a much lower federal debt. The CBO estimates that under current spending plans, our federal debt would rise to 87% of GDP by 2020, to 223% by 2040, and to 433% by 2060. Under Rep. Ryan�s Roadmap, the CBO estimates that debt would rise much more slowly, peaking at 99% in 2040 and then dropping back to 77% by 2060.
Put simply: Our country is on the path toward bankruptcy. We must turn around before it�s too late, and the Roadmap offers a clear plan for doing so. But it does more than just fend off disaster. CBO calculations show that the Roadmap would also help create a �much more favorable macroeconomic outlook� for the next half-century. The CBO estimates that under the Roadmap, by 2058 per-person GDP would be around 70% higher than the current trend.

Is Rep. Ryan�s Roadmap perfect? Of course not�no government plan ever is. But it�s the best plan on the table at a time when doing nothing is no longer an option.
Let�s not settle for the big-government status quo, which is what the president�s commission offers. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to make these tough decisions so that they might inherit a prosperous and strong America like the one we were given.� Governor Sarah Palin