Well not piss on the tsx train gang. My buddy shot a spike fork moose with a 375 RUM with a 270gr tsx. Guess what he recovered the bullet. These were chrono by me doing 2900 plus fps. Moose was about 100yds away. I like the accubonds I seen what they do to moose, caribou and bear. I also like the good ol partition, moose, deer, elk with them for me.