Originally Posted by broomd
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by broomd

Well said.

I have to wonder how many here still think that cigs don't cause cancer.
I had roundup get on my hand after it got past my glove and my tongue went numb for half the day. At that time I had no real idea of the stuff's toxicity. I found out through simple experience.
Some people can tolerate the stuff; others can't.

Many of us don't agree with multi-billion dollar settlements, most lawyers and many plaintiffs are snakes, but the stuff is poison to some people and to much of the environment.

Wow, that there calls for a double blind study. Immediate and substantial nerve toxicity from incidental exposure to Roundup?

Not doubting that is what you believe happened. But I might expect to see the same happen again with a placebo.

Oh yes, I have e experienced the tongue and nose thing. After a six pack of beer. And after heavy exposure to pyrethroid insecticides.

I have been exposed to lots of high density pyrethroids, and have developed a sensitivity to them. It takes very little now to make my tongue tingle.

But there is no shared chemistry between pyrethroids and Roundup.


Placebo?! lol!!
With all due respect, the sh t got on my skin and my tongue went instantly numb. That's never happened to me ever in my life with any substance. To me it is poison; you can use it, drink it, splash it on your salad. I want no part of it.
My wife has used the stuff and trace amounts blew onto her legs and she had an instant rash. That's our 'double blind' test. Grin.

I'm not going to change anyone's mind here, and no one will change mine. Anything that wipes out all living vegetation for a year can't be healthy to human tissue. Period.



Okay, 1'st: You apparently have no idea what Roundup does or how it works. It absolutely does not "wipe out vegetation for a year". Roundup has zero pre-emergent or ground sterilization properties. The bacteria in the soil metabolize Roundup to nothing in a matter of hours or possibly days.

Roundup kills by contact with green vegetation. Or, in one case that I am familiar with, mixed with irrigation water and taken up by the roots.

Every other herbacide out there is more dangerous than Roundup. And if you take Roundup away, it will be replaced by those others, and in greater quantities because they are less efficacious. Thank God we have Roundup available instead.

As to your reaction to the chemical and your wife's reaction. If I was a betting man, as the saying goes, I'd be betting on contaminants in the spray equipment from previous use with insecticides. Many insecticides are actually nerve toxins. Absent that possibility, anxiety/panic attacks.

Somebody mentioned DDT. DDT is pretty much harmless to humans. They used to apply the powder directly to humans quite frequently with no noticeable ill effects. DDT was removed from the market, not because it was substantially harmfull to humans, but because it was VERY persistant in the environment. And it was linked to thin egg shells in eagles.

Ever notice those Lawyer Ads on TV. Not a single one of them claim Roundup is confirmed as a carcinogen. They state "it is listed as a POSSIBLE carcinogen by the WHO." If they had any real data the ad sure as hell would not say possible,


People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.