Winter flocks of starlings are a challenge too, very fast and smarter than doves I think. We used to hide in a field grown up in cedars and wait for them to fly by. Cheap #9s really smoked them.
We kill the hell out of starlings headed to my buds chicken coop and dog kennels.
The very best practice I have found for dove season.
The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
