https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-po...d-apparent-quadrule-homicide-near-campus

"apparent quadruple homicide near campus"

No Jimmy Olsen points for you. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...oid-shoots-up-football-team#Post17800169

Might be a different crime Hawk.

Ones Ginny the others Ideeho

Wrong school, hell wrong part of the country.. open the link you will realize this took place in Idaho.

I graduated from the UofI but that was 50 years ago. Those apartments weren't there then. So far no word on what happened beyond releasing their names.

He’s on dope

Wow…I lived just blocks from there one year when attending U of I.

I went to U of I in 67 & 8 before I joined the Corps.

What in the hell is wrong with these people! The murder/deaths among our youth is simply out of control! memtb

My grand kids are going to the local community college. That's it. No fuggin 4 year college for them.

kwg

That's too bad as a four year engineering degree can be pretty employable.

Spent a lot of time partying with the U of I folks when I was at WSU. I’ll be keeping an eye on this one.

Murders were pretty rare when I was growing up in Pullman but I do remember a student blowing up a dorm in 1979. I also remember students hopping on the train to ride to Moscow to go drink and one or so falling off and dying. University students don't always do the smartest things...

Pretty much how I remember it:
https://www.nytimes.com/1979/12/20/...y-is-attributed-to-a-broken-romance.html

I’m going to keep it vague. But one of the kids that was killed was in my wifes family. Great kid. Lots of Christmases and family gatherings were shared with them. Knew them there whole life. We still don’t know what happened. Our whole family is pretty much at a loss. Lots of hard phone calls.

Biggest issue right now is family members getting calls from the media. They don’t have any respect. Just scavengers looking to be first.

I can't imagine how that feels. Please know we're all thinking about you at our place.

Condolences to the families.
God forever needs Angels.

Osky

What a senseless tragedy.

Bb

SB 45, sorry for your loss.

The big Q is why.
So sad.

Yes, very tragic. Seems to me one of the 4 was the perpetrator. The police are not looking for anyone, ‘the community isn’t at risk’.

No doubt off the charts on the senseless scale. Now I see mention of ‘a crime of passion’. Very sorry for family & friends involved.

I cannot imagine what this must be like for you and yours. Prayers for your peace and comfort.

Who in the fugk do these reporters work for? A kindergarten teacher?

“Four dead over there. More later maybe.”

“Great work Tom! See ya at lunch!”

Ed, I agree - and we are pleased that a grandkid is in a university honors program in biomedical engineering. But, I fully appreciate kwg's post, as do many others. And, given the sad but growing emphasis on a "certificated" populace, there is evidence that the usefulness of the 4 year engineering degree will decline.

Welders, plumbers, electricians, mechanics etc aren't employable?

But taking the first 2 years at a community college and getting all the prereqs out of the way is a far cheaper alternative to 4 whole years of a major university. Getting a trade degree isn't a bad thing either and there are definitely many jobs out there in "the trades."

Very smart move to make for a potential graduate. College is nothing more than a leftist indoctrination camp for developing brains and most kids will come out of college with so much debt they cant function. Trade schools are where you gain a useable career without the massive debt

Only if you dont enjoy seeing your kids everyday.

Yep. My best friend in college graduated at the top of his class in electrical engineering. He immediately went to work at North American Rockwell for a very nice salary.

The most important thing about sending kids to college is to try to impress them to make all effort to NOT fall in with "bad company." Peer pressure can be difficult to overcome.

FWIW.

L.W.

I read a report they were killed with an edged weapon and the weapon was not recovered. Machete, axe, knife?

Serious crimes can and do occur at trade schools as well as community colleges. Four year universities do not have a monopoly on that.

I wouldn’t trade my education and experience at the U of Idaho for anything in the world. I certainty wouldn’t trade it for a diploma or certificate in a blue collar trade, though I do enjoy having basic to intermediate knowledge of construction, welding and auto mechanics.

I am 100% debt free too. There are ways to attend a university and not have massive student debt, and I am not talking about having Bernie forgive that debt.

My buddy intends on finishing his degree once he retires out of the Navy.

Probably headed to the Bozone after he gets back from Japan.

No evidence of slit wrists?

News says stabbing. The police also say no threat to the public.
Confusing. Quadruple murder suicide by knife seems an awfully far stretch when it’s four healthy young people.

Osky

Authorities said it was not a murder suicide.

I read "no weapon recovered" so it would not be a suicide

Not sure how this can be. They do not have a suspect in custody. 4 people were apparently murdered.

But there is no threat to the public???

My error. When I read no threat to public, it was me thinking aloud they were looking towards suicide. The report I read did not say suicide.

Osky

Can be lots of things. Boyfriend walked in at the wrong time? Obviously they know more than they are releasing to the public.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/us/university-idaho-deaths.html

“Cathy Mabbutt, the Latah County coroner, said that all four deaths were being considered homicides and that it was not a case of murder-suicide. Ms. Mabbutt said her office planned to conduct autopsies on Wednesday. She said she could not share any information about how the victims had been killed without authorization to do so from the police.“

No, I heard both things this morning on the radio. No murder/suicide and no threat to the public.

I don’t see how that can be so.

Call me old fashioned, but anyone who just killed 4 people and is not in jail is a threat to the public, especially if there was a a pending manhunt.

I have not disagreed with you.

In that same article, one of the individuals stated it was being investigated as a “crime of passion.”

Maybe the police think that they killed one another - more than one killer?

🤦‍♂️

I attended the U of I, as did many of my contemporaries. I didn't stay in school though and was given the opportunity for a fully funded, non-optional, education instead! Anyway, we were there this past weekend and most leaned toward the "crime of passion" or "crime of stupidity" scenario. GD

there must be something about the method and ways they died.

Maybe that is because the murderer was a space alien and after doing the heinous deed, went back inside his/her/its spaceship and are now in a galaxy far, far away. Therefore, no threat to the general public.

Have you considered that?

L.W.

My friends that are ice agents and a few others in law enforcement have all been encouraging me to carry everywhere and stay locked and loaded. They say there has been some incredibly violent and dangerous people flooding into idaho. I guess they're finding many were released from Venezuelan prisons and shipped up here.

Bb

https://www.yahoo.com/news/know-4-idaho-college-students-100425055.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ty-Idaho-students-brutally-murdered.html

Just so damn sad.

It's terrible to see young kids lives taken. So much grief. Condolences.

I can’t wait till they catch this mf’er.

F'king SAD!

This 👆 but it’s to bad that what needs to happen to him will not.

Moscow police are now saying that there could be a threat to the community.

2 roommates were at the residence at the time of the murders, both were unharmed and not held hostage. Not till about noon the next day was 911 called and even then it was to report an “unconscious person”, not 4 bodies. No suspect identified let alone anyone in custody. I can see hung over college kids not waking up until noon and not finding the scene in the residence’s common area until then, but reporting an “unconscious person” in this situation is just bizarre.

Holy hell this is a spooky one with a lot of missing info. They’re keeping this quiet for a reason.

Such a bad deal. I knew several Pi Phis and A Phis when I was there.

I told my wife this seems more like a mex moffy message and a scared college town answer. You don't just stab 4 people without getting tore up yourself.

And leaving a messy trail if you know what I mean…

Osky

Sad dealio.

Hope they get to the bottom of this.

Unfortunately, that's another host of above IQ fair-skins that won't be reproducing to offset the current lower IQ brown-skin invasion.

Demographics and all...

Anybody wanna bet the brunette and the guy were a couple?
And the cute blondes were Muff Divers?
Look at the pictures, always paired up.

My first thought too. Maybe someone either didn't pay up, or ran their mouth. What if it was a guest of joe biden's?

When one of the pictures shows blood running through the floor board and down the exterior concrete wall there’s no damn way anyone thought there was an “unconscious person”. That takes a hell of a lot of blood loss for that to happen. I don’t get why the the Moscow police are being so coy about this. We’re told it wasn’t a murder-suicide. That leads to there’s apparently a murder about and they say “no risk to the community”? To be able to kill four people with a knife means their throats were probably slit low and then left to bleed out. Can’t call out that way. What a terrible way to go & it sounds like a professional hit. One that was meant to send a message.

Maybe one of Biden's friends who crossed the border recently.

Fairly tasteless running the pics of blood draining down the foundation.


Like this.

Maybe, but that doesn’t explain the 2 roommates that were present but left unharmed. Even if those two were blacked out drunk, passed out in another room and didn’t know a damn thing about the situation until noon the next day, I am assuming (and maybe this is a bad assumption) that one of them was who reported an “unconscious” person instead of 4 dead bodies. Neither roommate has been labeled a suspect either, supposedly. This just makes no sense.

They were, supposedly.

Just grasping at straws here but they were either asleep/passed out or threatened by the assailant if we assume they aren’t suspects. It’s pretty personal to murder someone with a knife like that so guessing there's some sort of connection to the killer.

If the roommates were threatened by the murder(ers) I couldn’t imagine they’d wait until noon the next day to call 911 and then just claim that someone was unconscious.

The articles say no sign of forced entry was found, so I am sure you’re right and there is some sort of a connection. Could be some random person one met at the bar that night and followed them home after the bars closed for a house party. I have been there, done that in Moscow.

Since there doesn’t seem to have been a fight at all it’ll be interesting to see if the autopsies show any signs of drugs, roofies or similar.

Seriously fugged up and sad as heck.

I think if I had kids there, they would be home for a long Thanksgiving.

Uh, maybe, just maybe one of the two survivors called and reported that the second survivor was unconscious?

I know it's a stretch being a house full of college kids and all but ya think drugs and alcohol use just might have played a part in this?

A lot of unknown.

???
I am not following you here.

Why report that someone is unconscious but neglect to mention the 4 dead bodies in the same residence?

Yes, I highly suspect alcohol and possibly drugs of some sort—-whether willingly took or not—-have a bearing on this story.

I’m thinking the surviving roommates are actually prime suspects, despite police saying otherwise.

I see a muslim involved , only they enjoy butchering people for no good reason.

I didn't read the story that stated the caller neglected to mention other victims or 4 dead bodies at the residence.

Police probably being all over the place on purpose, to keep the perpetrator thinking they really dont have an idea yet, but in actuality, they are close to knowing who.

Just getting to reading this thread.

Condolences to you and your wife's family.

Or they know exactly who, but are awaiting forensics.

SB45, condolences and hopefully the guilty will be held responsible for pain they have inflicted upon your family and all those involved. I simply can’t imagine.

Yeah, folks seem to forget easily enough.

Not that long ago, in a town not too far from here (and a lot closer to some of our OR members)

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=roseburg+college+shooting&ia=web

One can only hope that's the case.

But then there is always the chance local LEO's are just a band of bumbling bozos that don't have a clue.

Murder isn't something they deal with often in Moscow Idaho.

In 2011 there was graduate student Katheryn Benoit that was murdered there. She was killed by Ernesto Bustamante, a university professor whom afterwards killed himself.
A little easier to solve a case where the perp is just laying there dead and isn't as apt to get away.

In 1999 they had the murder of university student Wil Hendrick which they never did solve.

He just disappeared from a party one night and his skull was found in the woods at a later date.

According to Wayne Rausch, the lead investigator of the Hendrick case the murder should have been solved.

The Latah County Sheriff’s Department and the Moscow Police Department both worked the case, yet they moved from different angles, therefore lacking communication.

“It was extremely frustrating,” it remains an unsolved cold case today.

I attended UI as a grad student from 2014-2016. A couple years prior, a grad teacher got jealous that the student he was hooking up with broke up with him, and shot her about a dozen times with a 45 before shooting himself. While I was there, a kid went on a shooting spree and killed his foster parents, then dove through the drive through of a local Arbys shooting at someone else. Christmas of 2015 I believe. It’s a sleepy little town but they’ve had their fair share of odd gruesome [bleep] lately.

krem2 Spokane tv

Here's what Moscow police know at this time:

On Saturday evening, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were at a party on campus, away from the crime scene. Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves were at a bar and came home at approximately 1:45 a.m. on Sunday morning.

Police responded to a report of an unconscious person at a house near campus just before noon on Sunday.

When police arrived, they found the four victims and two other people, both uninjured, who lived in the home.

The victims had all been stabbed with a knife.

Officers found no sign of forced entry into the residence. When the police arrived, the door was still open.

There was no attempt at a robbery.

Officers continue to reiterate that this was an isolated, targeted attack
.
There is no suspect at this time. Police also said they could no longer say there was no threat to the community.

The roommates of the victims were in the home at the time of the attack and were not hurt.

What police do not know:

An accurate timeline of where the victims were before their deaths.

The location of the suspect or the weapon.

If the victims were killed with the same weapon.

Why the two other roommates were not injured.

That's another one that evaded the Moscow PD.

He (29 year old, John Lee) was arrested in a combination effort by deputies in Whitman County Washington and Washington State Patrol officers.

One of my professors was on the moscow PD. Judging by him at the very least, i'm not surprised at the ineptitude shown there.

My cousin's son goes there. Have worked with a few mining engineering grads from there. Hope they figure it out.

This makes about the same amount of sense as the Pelosi attacker case. And I guarantee some media outlets and PD got paid a nice sum of "non-disclosure" hush money in that case.

When I first pulled up the article the apartment looked like my wife's apartment from when we were students there back in the early 2000s. Same siding and trim color. It wasn't after I looked closer, but creeped me out for a second.

Way more questions than answers on this one. I feel terrible for the family's having to suffer with limited information. Horrible.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-investigation-narrows-search-combat-213848743.html

"military grade"

Lol more media bullshit, what exactly is a Rambo style knife?

Pretty bizarre for sure and a lot of it doesn’t make sense.

Further down in the state around the Boise area, police are digging up a backyard looking for a little 6 year old boy that disappeared over a year ago. Not the family backyard either. Parents must be heartbroken.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/l...277-8c51373d-725d-4185-a6cb-f614a04c344f

The uniqueness they may be searching for could be the serrations along the spine of knife used.
Possibly wounds may indicate that type of blade could have been used.

Serrated spines are often seen on knives some refer to as Ka-bar survival type knives.



Damascus Kabar – Survival Ka-bar Knife HK-04

I was not aware KaBar knives had serrations.

One can buy a "Rambo" or Ka-Bar type survival knife of questionable quality in many convenience stores, pawn shops, "outdoor" stores etc all around the Country.

I might not want one for true survival purposes, but if one was used it appears to have been somewhat functional.,

I am not sure if this is sarcasm or not but most all articles claim that someone called the authorities to report an unconscious person and when officers responded to the location they found the 4 bodies and 2 unhurt roommates.

That infers someone (maybe one of the unharmed roommates, maybe not) called to report the unresponsive person but when officers responded they found the 4 bodies too (or maybe, instead of). That tells me whomever made the call neglected to mention the bodies.

It is a bizzare and absolutely terrible situation, regardless.

Some ka bars have serrations half blade some don't....but a lot of knives have serrations, belly and back. I like the way the media stereotypes as usual. USMC K Bars pretty sure have 7" blade, not a 6" Rambo knife as reported by Fox...hardly qualifies as a "Rambo" type bowie. Let's get more and more sensational at the expense of grieving, heart broken parents, brothers and sisters.

What makes them think it was a K Bar for all you Sherlock types?

See: Jimmy Lile

" . . . Military grade blades. . " ?

T,

Maybe the caller, and the unconscious person, were in different area of the house than the deceased. Perhaps the dead kids were in a closed bedroom and the others didn't realize what had happened until after they made the 911 call?

The whole deal stinks and unfortunately for those that just have to know, I'm betting the Polices are keeping stuff on the downlow so that any eventual witnesses/perpetrators that mention something unknown to the press can be taken at their word.

Sad this kinda crap happened at your alma mater.

Sometimes LE has to have a little luck. We had some drug dealers dump 2 bodies off a bridge not far from my home a couple of years ago. They put some thought into the spot. The river is shallow with a boat ramp on the other side that is a popular canoe and kayak put in/take out spot. If they had dumped the bodies into the water, or the other side of the river they would have been easily found.

But as luck would have it that bridge was up for inspection the morning after the bodies were dumped. Inspectors found them only a few hours later. Bridges are inspected every 2 years. Had that bridge been inspected just one day earlier no one would have been in that spot for another 2 years. With seasonal flooding any remaining bones after 2 years would have probably been buried in mud and overgrown vegetation.

Good evening my bearded V man…
That certainly is a possibility and my thought behind my earlier statement about them possibly being passed out drunk and thus didn’t know what was transpiring. It would be a HUGE coincidence though, if one person was unresponsive to the point of needing medical help in the same residence and time as a quadruple murder.

I highly suspect you’re right that the police are quiet for a very good reason. This whole story just hits home with me due to living a year within a couple blocks of the scene, and this school being such a part of my life for several years.

No sarcasm, I'm just avoiding filling in the blanks.
Too many blanks involved to make assumptions.

Didn't spend much time in Moscow. Had some friends in the area I'd go visit. Go to the Tri-State store, the Wal Mart (then they put one in Pullman too) , Roseauer's, the shoe store downtown was good for our bi yearly pair of boots from Big Daddy. Didn't really get down to the south end of town much. But, it surely sucks for something like that to happen anywhere, much less a college town.

I'm guessing there were some "recreational" items at the party after the bar closed, therefor the passed out person. BTDT. And perhaps that's how the perp was able to cut 4 folks up enough they died? Roofies? Fentanyl?

I can easily picture a couple of scenarios where passed out dude was in his room, the 4 other kids in another, and passed out dude hears nothing.

Oh well, until Moscow PD releases more info, it's all just conjecture..

I think the wife is done with the TV so I can go watch HOCKEY now.

Hope the winter is average up there, nothing too cold like -75 or some scheidt.

Uh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I guess you didn't read about the autopsy report... The other two roommates that lived were girls. They also say one of the female victims put up a fight.

Umm.


They are female.


Not known for situational awareness or the ability to stab in twice their numbers, one of which was a male, which is a force multiplier of at least 3X.


Unless everyone was unconscious via fentanyl.

drugs played a role.

That is the first I have seen or heard about the other two roommates being girls, and that one victim had put up a fight. The only autopsy finding I have read was that the 4 were killed by 'an edged weapon'.

Doesn't explain the unknown circumstances around the 911 call but I guess it is at least some sort of a step forward.

Hey I can’t hunt the news for you guys all the time..

https://www.foxnews.com/us/universi...-bruises-put-up-fight-against-killer.amp


University of Idaho homicide victim Xana Kernodle's father, Jeff Kernodle, said his daughter had "bruises" on her body indicative of putting up a good fight with her attacker in an interview with an Arizona news outlet.

Bruises from the knife?

Just relaying what the news is saying the girls dad said… I’m sure they got a detailed report from the autopsy..

Yes. I tend to agree.

At the time I posted that yesterday there were a few sources suggesting a male lived at the house, and the police on Tuesday didn’t confirm afaik. Now confirmed, it clearly decreases the likelihood.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ed-bloody-frenzy-roommates-murdered.html

Interesting they have no murder weapon, yet they are looking for info on a particular model K-Bar?

Yes, I saw the videoed knife, but they have taken it steps beyond a simple answer.

Definitely weird, that much blood no shoe prints nothing, then again maybe their is. The cops are definitely being tight lipped about this.

I just can't wrap my head around how this can happen. When the first victim was stabbed what were the other 3 doing? Why didn't they run, scream or try to escape? And I would assume a knife attack would be loud yet everyone in the house slept through it?

I'll take that money.

The lack of facts or logical conclusin makes me curious is the college students had financial links to Arkansas.

Passed out drunk, roofies, whatever else.

I have seen 3 photos of the two blonde gals where they were "very snuggly'" in their own pics they are implying that they were "very close."

All news reports are that the guy and the other gal were a couple.

I guarantee Moscow's finest is screwing up left and right. Murders are very rare there.

Maybe lesbians, maybe not. These people were all raised on their phones, the appearance of overt sexuality among young women is considered cool even if not actually the case.

It was already horrible for their families, and now their kids are being judged. I’ll bet those young people woulda taken different photos if they had known these would be their epitaph.

The love life is germane to the investigation. Any time there is a murder, the cops' first question is "Is there a big life insurance policy?"

The second question is, "Did the deceased have a jealous ex boyfriend, or girlfriend?"

Knife attacks are very up close and personal and usually reveal a close personal relationship between the killer, and the deceased. I'm not making fun of somebody for being lesbo, it doesn't bother me if they were lesbo and of course, I don't know if they were lesbo or not.

Knife says to me the attacker was a prohibited person (couldn't own a gun).
Proly felon and/or of declared psych issue.
Or some liberal dweeb.

plenty of felons have guns. it takes a very skilled and strong man to kill 4 young people. they must have been high or very drunk.

Two other people in the house didn't react to it. Could of been normal recreational drugs, alcohol, or some kind of a roofie. It's telling that it was one against 4 and no one got away.

Wondering if drugged ( by attacker ) and then killed

Not necessarily. Guns are a lot louder than knives and tend to draw more unwanted attention.

I am not sure I agree with your “guarantee”.
MPD aren’t the only folks working on this. From what I have gathered, they’ve got outside help from LEO’s who specialize in these types of cases. That, and my past experience with MPD doesn’t lead me to believe they’re “screwing up left and right”. You’re right though that murders there are rare, which I have zero doubt is why they have brought in outside experts.

knives are more romantic ( remember the song: She stood there laughing , I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more)
up close and personal.

Autopsy report Nugs?

Did you find one in the trash yesterday?

Nah, I guess I missed that part.

In today's world I prolly should have just said "They/Them" and that would have covered my ass whatever biological persuasion they were.

Skilled? Not necessarily. Remember the Manson-Tate murders. The killers were knife wielding girls. I doubt they were "skilled" in knife killin'. I called them "Charlie's Little Cuttin' Cuties."

As for cops investigating, the Idaho State Police are involved as is the FBI. Both agencies have experienced homicide investigators, and extensive forensic facilities.

FWIW.

L.W.

Read a couple articles that said FBI was involved.

One report now indicates the 911 caller was not one of the surviving roommates. If true, this just gets more and more bizarre.

I’ve been wondering if the perp made the call.

Mossad.

Agree with you.

Anyone know where OJ Simpson is?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...mp;cvid=9975ece2b015488685b721683538f0c9

How much did you win?

Searching tirelessly for Nicole's killer. Duh.

Well you can bet your ass if the fbi killed em we will never get to the bottom of it.

LHO

What are roofies?

Rohynol. Date rape drug, they put it in the victims drink.

A date rape drug.

The full college experience is getting used to a certain amount of strange sounds and banging around from bedrooms in a college apartment. So is being blacked out drunk and sleeping through everything.

Not sure how I missed this, but there were other people in the house at the time.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-murders-police-cant-say-survivors-witnesses-suspects

They are the tops of the housies.

No but I found a tv remote for yo pussy whipped ass.. lol nugget out

Great work detective you are a day late with this Information. Already been discussed..

Like duhhh!

Is that remote good for a LG Smart TV. We could use a extra, wife tends to have control. If'n I had another one I could try to override her.

I can send you some tater, I gots a bunch from the garden this year in trade if that thing will work. No use to me if it's only good for a Samsung TV.

Yes makes nugget sad you and your ol lady fighting over the remote..she always wins🥺

Nugget

Now foxnews is reporting the two alive roommates are a male and female.

Good thing the old guy detective squad is on the case.

Yeah, but she goes to bed early so I can watch my HOCKEY and eat popcorn then.

It's cool, she bakes good bread and has a better retirement than I do!

Says the old guy.. Good job Callnum.. How’s your boy Land Tawney doing? You guys moving to New Mexico??

She’s a keeper

I guess. Hard to trade one in on a new model once one is used to the way this one runs.

Coming up on 22 yr anniversary in a few days, and 3 or so years before that living in "sin" (funny, it didn't feel sinful at the time )

A couple more tid-bits of information.

The coroner stated the victims were found in bed and had most likely been sleeping when the attacks occurred.
Each body had multiple stab wounds.

Interview with coroner at the following link.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/idaho-student-stabbings/

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Fox News interviewed the property manager for the home the victims were found in.

She said the home was 3 stories and had 6 bedrooms 3 baths.

2 bedrooms and 1 bath on each floor.
The second floor also had a kitchen and living room.
Each floor had a exterior door.

This story also stated that neighbors heard noise coming from the house the night of the murders which wasn't uncommon due to them being known to host parties.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-inside-off-campus-house-4-students-were-killed.amp

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The police have a person of interest they are talking to.

He was with the two girls that had been at a bar then stopped to purchased food from a street vendor.

The dude wearing the hoodie and jacket...


The man walking behind the two women, then hovering nearby as they chat with each other and check a cellphone. When they move, he follows them.



The man has been cooperating with police, one of the victim’s sisters said.



There is a video of the guy tagging along with the two girls at this link.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/18/mystery-man-spotted-with-idaho-murder-victims-idd/amp/

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On a side note, a garbage truck managed to dump the contents of the homes dumpster into their truck before it dawned on the police to stop them, they didn't let the truck leave.

Pretty obvious indicator the police don't have the basics covered.
Everything anywhere near that home should have been secured rather quickly after the murders were discovered.

Getting less clear

Where was it said? ""Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man with a knife."?

Oh, I found it. A Klingon proverb in Star Trek.

Hell, I was thinking it was from something profound.

So who is this Jack?

from Foxnews:

Jack the Ripper...

Jack the Ripper killed hookers. I don't know anything about these girls. He was never ID'd or caught. I hope that's not the case here.

Jake is the girls boyfriend.

Did Jack find out about Jake? Or Jake Jack? This is turning into a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

My reading comprehension hasn't kicked in this morning.

Jake

I need one of them enigmas to clean my colon out.

My guess....

Jack or Jake whatever the boyfriend was prob’ly asleep and/or not answering, the one girl really wanted to talk to him so the other girl tried too to see if he would pick up for her.

Generally speaking, the most incompetent and corrupt cops in America exist in small communities.

So Jake and Madison were an item and another article links Kaylee and Jack. Got it, I think.

As a group, we are just like Columbo.

But Columbo always solved the case. We'd probably hang the wrong guy...or girl.

Again 'generally speaking' but I'm sad to say you are correct. And it's worse in agencies with elected chiefs and sheriffs.

An Enigma Machine would just leave you talking out your ass in code. Call it "Saturday."

I've known some good cops in Moscow and have known them to solve some cases. When I was a kid, they were remarkably tolerant of some of the stunts we pulled. In more recent times, the MPD canned a nephew of mine who was with the department and showed good sense in doing so. I have seen more incompetence and corruption in some big-city departments.
The one thing, of which I am certain is, they are more likely to solve the case than we are, here on the 'fire. GD

The reality is, important details have not been and should not be revealed to the public.

These types of investigations take time.

Yep, take it from a Texan, it's always better to wait.

Got to let these murders run around town for a couple weeks, wait and see if they do it again....

It's just too 'old school' for LEO's to run out and arrest somebody right away just cause the killed 4 people.

In cases like this, nothing the media publishes should be taken as the gospel or even close to accurate. Nor should any conclusions be drawn from what isn't said.

Do we know they were not just calling Jake, at State Farm? If so, which Jake? GD

You are a coward that is speaking from experience, of never doing anything, ever.

I get it, you're a complete idiot that has zero clue. It's obvious. Ya "running out and arresting somebody right away" would be great, but it takes PROBABLE CAUSE to arrest someone....which takes evidence. Phuggin clown.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

That's not the way it's done here on the 'fire.

It takes time to process a quadruple murder crime scene, it takes time for forensics to return, it takes time to dump cell tower data, receive cell service provider data, interview witnesses, etc.

Of course some information can be released, but it needs to be calculated.

One thing for certain, they dress like slobs in Moscow.

The were likely killed in their sleep, both roommates and the food truck guy have been cleared as potential suspects.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...eep-fatally-stabbed-police-say-rcna57991

i don't understand , six people in the house and no guns?

It was apparently a bunch of chicks and (maybe) 1 dude named “Dylan” that lived at the residence. The boyfriend was just staying the night, supposedly. Idaho is full of guns and I packed a Glock 23 pretty much every day to class when I lived there, but lots of kids there don’t own guns at all, let alone take them with them when they leave home for college.

I also have a suspicion the victims were drunk as hell and/or passed out so a gun in the nightstand or locked up somewhere wouldn’t have helped much.

Jack DuCoeur was Kaylee Goncalves ex-boyfriend.
They had recently broken up.

Jack is also an Idaho student, says he missed all the calls because he was asleep.

Kaylee's family is standing behind DuCoeur 100%, they claim he's a Saint, couldn't have had anything to do with the murders.



A short search shows Jack to be a noted tennis player from Lake City Idaho.

Hod’ daymn, that son of a gun was cashing checks beyond his pay grade! LOL

wouldja look at the size of the head on that kid....

I'm leaning towards serial killer.

What is not to understand?

I’d say that is pretty common on college campuses, even in Idaho.

Weapon and severity of injuries, is beginnin ta point towards a female.

There is so much bad info out there.

Now, supposedly the 911 caller was one of the surviving roommates. Other sources earlier specifically said that it wasn’t.
Most sources are still saying that the original 911 call was to report an unconscious person. Who knows…

Person passing through with nothing to loose looking for opportunities.

Could have been a live in boyfriend.

Defensive wounds.

There’s no way a chick could have killed 4 people, at least some of which were fighting back, without waking up the entire damn neighborhood.

This was a 3-4 second per body ordeal. All quickly overpowered by force.

Maybe.

It's a crazy deal.

There was defensive wounds, but it was sleepin/intoxicated/drugged victims, one at a time.

First shot with a knife can disable a sober person.

But mostly, when it's a just til they're dead deal, it's a man.

When they're hacked ta pieces, it's a woman.

Between the city police, Latah county Sheriff, State Police, and FBI, there are allegedly, eighty-one patrolmen, detectives, investigators and special agents who are working this. I can't explain why they haven't just logged onto the 24HCF forum as an investigative shortcut. GD

Lol. Maybe they have.....

Ya think?



Kaylee and Jack were childhood friends who dated for the last 6 years and recently decided to take an amicable break from their relationship.

I'm sure Jack took that very well, he's a talented boy.

Jack DuCoeur, from Idaho juggles tennis rackets while standing on a giant tennis ball prior to the second round of the Davis Cup tennis tie in Vancouver, British Columbia February 2, 2013.

Jack has to be suspect #1.

No doubt. Ugly nerd gets dumped after 6 years and then 4 people are dead. Hmm.

Guilty. Hang him.

Not the first murderer named Jack.

They've found that the 911 call was made from one of the dead kids' phones. They don't know who made it, though. A thoroughly stoned roommate could have seen a body and made the call without noticing the blood. They'll have a recording of the call. Was the person male or female, was he/she coherent?

I know we have a lot of tough guys at the campfire but if you've never killed anything, even a critter, with a knife, you don't grasp how personal it is. It takes a sick person or a stone cold professional killer to kill four human beings. Rage may allow an overly angery person to kill the target, but then seek out more? I doubt it. I am still leaning towards a sick person, aka serial killer.

Though I must admit, Jack sure does seem to be proficient with his hands.

Yup , get a rope!!

Well if you had been paying attention to the Campfire Cowboys, you'd know that LEOs in general are corrupt, inept and incompetent. The FBI? 100% corrupt, inept and incompetent.

Get the Gateway Pundit to investigate. This would be solved now and we'd all be home in time for cornflakes.

I wonder if that is what she said.

I prefer frosted flakes.

Could be. Who knows?
The 911 call was supposedly 8-10 hours after the suspected time of deaths, so if the call did come from one of the deceased's phones whomever made the call must have known the phone's password.

It seems every hour something contradictory gets reported. That has to be especially frustrating for the family and friends.

Edit: wait. I think there's a way to dial 911 from any phone without having to get past the password nor even have an active phone plan. Maybe. Hell if I know.

I can frost your cornflakes if you'd like...

Have you been drinking lots of pineapple juice?

No.
Water and coffee. Good enough?

Not ideal...but will do in a pinch.

Bad information is the norm is a case like this. LE agencies are going to be very careful about releasing any information of substance. They don't want to do anything that could compromise the case in any way. Journalists who are being sent there from all over the country are not going to tell their employers that they can't get enough substance for a story. They'll get info from any "source" that they can. They'll also creatively interpret vague information. These are journalists mind you. Journalistic integrity, if ever there were such a thing, is dead.

press conf at 3 pm

No doubt. My limited experience with reporters reflects this thought process. You'd think they would be wanting to NOT be the news source who ended up giving bad info in the end but it seems they really don't care as long as they get something out. Anything.

I was watching a video on this last night and theres a Jake and 2 Jacks. Jake is the boyfriend of one of the blonde girls. Jack (pictured in this thread) is the ex-bf of the other blonde girl. Jack #2 is a neighbor. IDK if the food truck guy is Jack #2 or not.

The video also shared a post from Oct 22nd where someone wrote that their neighbor's dog had been skinned like a deer. In Sept there was also a report of a guy threatening students with a knife. Those could be related to the murders.

It won't matter that they got it wrong. With the flood of information flowing, it's too easy for it to get washed downstream. Right now, they have to get views or clicks, and that's all that matters for the business that employs them.

Speaking of businesses seeking clicks, I hear there is no waiting lines at the bars and grub trucks in Moscow Idaho anymore.

Typical case of anyone talking doesn't know, and anyone who knows isn't talking.

Yes, 911 works even if a phone is locked.

WTF is this password you speak of?

It's what girls put on their phones so the BF's can't see the conversations with all the other dude's they're banging.

Was it by chance a Siberian Husky?

The Fire is amateur hour compared to the forum boards at sites the kids at the school post on.
4chan and reddit have thousands of posts on the topic.

Difference is, those kids are much more vicious, they've partied in that house, they know who's who.

They all claim that one of the chick's has a Labradoodle in the house, first thing she does when she gets home is let him out the back sliding door to take a leak. The dog supposedly barks his ass off at everyone he doesn't know.

No mention of the mutt anywhere else.

The report of the other students being threatened by a guy with a knife before the murders? Them kids have the police report on that incident.


They know how to get from that house to other party houses by staying in the trees and not passing by the homes with security cameras, they have aerial views and maps they've drawn and posted.



And speaking of aerial views, the kids have drones they're flying around and looking in the windows.



They even went live on YT and watched the police conduct their investigation.



Them kids know a thing or two about a thing or two.

They savagely tore into the kid by the food truck that was attempting to hang out with the two girls as the purchased food after they'd left the bar.

They knew who he was immediately, poor kid shouldn't of posted those pics of himself standing in the middle of a gut pile after he killed an Elk.. https://imgur.io/a/SV5fB4a .. they made him look rather blood thirsty in the threads before the police interviewed him and cleared him of any involvement.

So according to the police that kid was cleared, the girls 'private driver' that took them home from the bar has been cleared and the two surviving room mates were cleared.

No mention of Jack just yet by the police...or the Labradoodle.

The blonds in every photo I've seen are hanging on to each other. Both have boyfriends but are they bisexual?

Can I take comfort that there is none such on Momma's phone nor mine?

Have you no daughters or grand daughters?

Girls are not homophobic as are guys. Close female friends typically hang all over each other with no sexual implications..........except in the minds of horny men who want to bang both of them.

That's not at all uncommon behavior for straight young girls these days.

As a matter of fact, no. I have sons. I have 6 grandkids and the only girl is only 7.

I see what you did there.....grin

Jack has been identified by one of the girls' parents. He's an ex-boyfriend and they say he had nothing to do with it. Their word certainly doesn't exclude him from being investigated, though. Ex's can be vindictive.
WHO'S JACK?

I'm not sure. The guy who posted it didnt ID the breed of dog. Just said his neighbor's sweet little dog.

https://meaww.com/locals-fear-sicko-who-skinned-dog-last-month-may-have-executed-quadruple-murder

Having a daughter and friends with girls the same age, it’s somewhat normal these days, but not necessarily to the extent these two are being portrayed. Almost no individual pictures of them. I’m sure that’s by design, but wonder by who. When I see this in the people I know, I believe it’s more immaturity than sexual.

911 call came from one of the surviving roommates phones.

Police are aware of calls to Jack.

Roommates, food truck guy, private party ride person, all supposedly cleared.

This per police update this afternoon, fwiw.

No mention of Jack being cleared.

Good riddance - 4 dead liberal college students. (doing my best Mickey Coleman impersonation)

You’re sick.

Where is the vaunted FBY?...Seven days later and still too busy pestering Trump and Trump supporters?

MAGA

You totally missed my point. Some Seattle University kids were shot dead a few years back and this is exactly what Mickey said. I called him out on it, and the rest of the members were silent.

No shortage of inbred insensitive arseholes here.

I think they’re already investigating. Probably spinning the media narrative currently.

That was Seattle.

I don't know how much time you've spent around small town police or the FBI but I can assure you their competence and ethics tend to be well south of what most decent people would expect.

Typically.

From what I heard in the press conference, sounds like someone in the house did it.

Who would place a call saying that "Someone is Unconscious" almost at noon, with all of the blood involved, and 4 dead people? I did see blood coming out of the outside of the house.

Does not add up!

Another update change: earlier today Foxnews reported that the 911 call had come from one of the victims' phones. Now they've changed that to a 'victim's roommate's' phone.

Was really hoping they would have announced they had the murderer in custody with that update..

The folks in Moscow gotta be getting a bit edgy.

Everything points toward the obvious, they just don't have what they need to make the arrest.

Are you thinking Inside Job as well?

It seems like at this point, they have a pretty good idea who did it it's likely a matter of getting some good evidence so it will stick.

Huh?

It's rather obvious whomever did this had to be 'inside".

6 college kids with friends living under one roof makes for a lot of people coming and going from that house, a lot of possibilities.

Day one the Mayor of Moscow stated it may have been a crime of passion, he was told something that made him say that.

The police said no one else would be in danger. It's as if they had reason to belive the killer had killed who they set out to kill and no one else was likely to be in danger.

They've walked both statements back since but something made them say that from their first impression.

#nevertrustalabradoodle

I wouldn’t give an ounce of credence to anything any of those cousin fugkers have said to this point.

I have zero experience with the FBI and next to none with small town police. For a few reasons I will totally buy that incompetence runs rampant in small town LEOs but Moscow really isn’t a small town in my mind. It isn’t LA but not Big Piney, WY either. The corruption/ethics part? I don’t know. I’ll take your word for it all either way though.

I have however, also learned to not believe much that Campfire Cowboys preach and they’re always bitching about the FBI as well as LEOs in general.

Edited: I should mention that I am not referring to you as a Campfire Cowboy despite your post count. I am referring to other posters who never have anything good to say about LEOs, in any circumstance.

YeeHaw!!!!! I have friends from there so not sure if they would be considered "campfire cowboys" but they don't have very good things to say about Moscow PD.

Wow, the crack fire detective squad hasn’t solved this yet?

So... the murder's took place on the 2nd & 3rd floor. Any mention as too which floor the other occupants were on?
Did the autopsies reveal drugs, alcohol or both?
Were there entrances to each level from the outside? Seems I heard/read there was.

Today’s press release wasn’t heart warming…
I still think they’re being quiet and not saying much for a very good reason.

Yeah, that's the impression I got from that video.

They have info and they're not letting us know what they have.

Bastids

PS,

T, have you started trapping yet?

I have 15 wolverine sets out but haven't caught a damn thing yet. I have a fox and pine marten that are stealing bait but my pan tension is too high for them to trigger the traps and they're stepping all over the pans. I may have to get creative to get rid of them. Lowering pan tension has cost me target animals before so I don't want to go that route.

I have however, been slaying the rock cock. 8 yesterday, 6 today and plenty earlier while checking traps.

First.

Safe bet all had alcohol on board as they all had been drinking. No idea on drugs; not sure it’s been released.

Cool,

sorry to the OP about the sidetrack.

nothing to do with the killings, but just north of the house is a steep hill. On top is a fraternity called Alpha Gamma Rho. When I was there in college, I lived there for 3 years but it was Tau Kappa Epsilon then.

Based on nothing, the ex boyfriend is my Huckleberry. I know the parents of the deceased said NO but a jaded man will do stupid chit. She was way out of his league anyway.

Yes, that's a good sign. But if she adds one, starts laying her phone face down, mutes the ring tone and starts taking her calls and texting in the bathroom / in her car, it's time to call the lawyer. Divorce or criminal defense, your choice.

I haven't heard anything indicating he's been cleared by police.

Somebody said he’s been cashing paychecks above his pay grade, that looks to be accurate. He’s been recently booted from that club, he probably misses the ride.

No matter, it’s a sad deal.

Foxnews had this:
I"m not sure if 'cleared those phone calls' means they've cleared him or something else.

That's fuggin dumb. Every dude on the planet has been trying to punch above his weight class and it's not hard to figure that this guy, as a popular athlete, did better than most here would assume he could. I did it and sure as fugg didn't knife anyone. Don't know this guy from Adam, but I sure as fugg won't hang him out to dry based out of jealousy.

After watching that press conference, I don’t think they have a clue.

No schit sherlock.

I thought the cops said that person was off the hook

You think they are going to tell you in a press conference who their suspects are?

Has anyone else heard this said in the content of this press release or does Foxnews have some special listening abilities that brings then to this conclusion?

I'd give them credit for wasting any sensitive crime scene evidence before they called for help from other agencies that may actually be capable of investigating murders.

With all the available tools they have today such as DNA, cell data and security cameras everywhere you'd think solving a murder would be getting easier than it once was.



It appears not to be the case.

Maybe investigators have grown dependant on high tech information handing them a suspect on a silver platter and are losing the ability they once had to solve a crime.

Statistically, it'll be a coin toss if they make an arrest.

LOL

You really have lived a sheltered life, haven't you?

A Fox reporter asked the question about Jack and the phone calls directly during yesterday's press conference, the respondent hesitated briefly then in a round about way said something close to what Fox posted.

23:07 in this video.

Yes. He is a nerd, but an athletic nerd. He played tennis so he has fairly good muscle development of the arms.

Read he was in a different town at the time of the killings.

Nope, they specifically said the food truck hang around and the guy who drove the two girls home were ruled out as suspects, not so the ex-boyfriend.

On the one hand he’d have to be both remarkably cold-blooded and a psychopathic mastermind to, absent any criminal priors, systematically knife to death four people without leaving any incriminating evidence anywhere or arousing the suspicions of anyone who knew him well, including his ex-girlfriend’s family. All of the above and withstand subsequent interrogation by professionals.

OTOH the guy could balance on a large ball while juggling three tennis rackets so who knows?

I think they ain’t ruled him out on account of he’s the closest to a suspect they have at this time.

No, I think they would have enough to arrest though.

Probable cause isn’t that high of a threshold.

They’re asking for public help with security camera footage and the like, which means no smoking gun.

I would expect the cops to say they've cleared a lot of people they really haven't.

Like this guy..

BREAKING: Man with knife has yet to be identified

Moscow PD received a report Monday night that a man threatened a group of students with a knife on Paradise Path between the Student Rec Center and the university Steam Plant, near the LLC parking lot 14.

The white man appeared to be 18-22 years old in all black with a black baseball cap. He was last seen heading east on Paradise Path, riding a mountain bike with a blue backpack.

The incident happened at 8:05 p.m. and the man has yet to be identified. If you have information regarding the incident, the Moscow Police Department can be reached at 208-882-2677.

University of Idaho’s Vandal Alert sent at 9:39 p.m. advises keeping doors locked and using caution if going outside.
LINK

Or this guy..

Nearby resident’s dog was skinned shortly before University of Idaho murders

October 21 2022

A couple’s dog was killed and skinned just three miles away from where the four University of Idaho students were brutally slaughtered in their home, leading locals to fear a connection between the two attacks.

Buddy, a 12-year-old mini Australian Shepherd belonging to Pam and Jim Colbert, was left with fur only on his legs and face when he was killed after they let him out of their Moscow home on Oct. 21 2022.
“It was like a deer that someone had hunted,” Pam, 78, told the news outlet. “They cut him around the neck and just skinned him. His little legs had fur and his little face had fur, but the rest of him was just skinned,” she said.



“The other side of him was as though they had filleted him like they were about to eat him. It was terrible, unbelievable, They cut him like you filet a fish. We found his collar, but we didn’t find the pelt.”

A Latah County sheriff’s deputy who photographed the pooch’s remains has confirmed that the killer was human, according to the report.

The sickening crime was committed 23 days before Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, and Xana Kernodle, 20, were stabbed to death in their off-campus home about three miles away.

Authorities haven’t linked Buddy’s death to the shocking murders, but locals fear there may be a connection between the two incidents.
LINK

And BTW, on the mutt topic,

The kids from the school are absolutely positive Kaylee Goncalves dog had to be in her room, in a dog kennel type cage when she was murdered. He's a Labradoodle named Murphy.

That could draw 2 possible conclusions: the dog knew the killer and didn't bark, or - the damned dog always barked and the roommates spaced it out.

Put the Chicago Police Department on the case, I am sure they will solve it!

I did too but turns out (like many things reported) to have been incorrect.

The mother of one of the girls who was murdered stated “they are wasting their time with Jack” so you can be sure they are taking her word for it and giving him a pass.

Guessing Jack comes from means and probably has a very good attorney or team of attorneys.

Actually possibly not.

My guess is the day his social media accounts get deleted or made private will be an indicator he's lawyered up.

There is sketchy content on his sites that could be misinterpreted.

The other Jack, the kid with the white hoody that was lingering by the 'Grub truck' and has been cleared is possibly lawyered up, all his social media sites went down as soon as his face was on the news. Just a guess.

Jack, the ex boyfriend doesn't appear to come from a wealthy family. His parents are school teachers, kindergarten and 3rd grade.
They've lived in the same home for 25 years, Mom, Dad and 4 kids in a 1000sf 2 bedroom 1 bath. Jack's sister is also a college student and possibly his younger brother. That's gotta spread a teachers salary rather thin.

The ex girlfriend is the flip side of the coin. Her dad has a 4000sf, 6 bedroom, 3.5 bath pad in Coeur d'alene and equestrian acreage north of the city with another 4000sf 7 bedroom 5 bath home.
Pops also just bought Kaylee a new Range Rover so she could safely drive between Moscow and home through the winter months. Her younger brother is also a student in Moscow.

Her parents appear to think highly of Jack, they seem more situated to hire a good law firm but maybe not all things considered.

Both these families have very unique last names, all this stuff pops right up with a simple search.

If his social media is still active, I’d bet you are correct.

My hunch, if the dog crime is connected, it's a serial type killer. Probably his first go and if the Columbos don't catch him, he'll do it again soon.

I do find it a little difficult to believe that the other residents "found one of the girls unconscious and unresponsive". Then they called in some friends to get their opinion, I guess. They also found the room mate to be unresponsive (possibly because all of her blood was on the floor). They finally called 911 and several of them spoke with the 911 operator. Eventually the cops arrived. Even today, I can drive from one end of Moscow to the other in under ten minutes, even if I have to stop at every light. How long did it take the cops to respond? Not that it matters, the kids had already stalled for so long that there was no hurry. Maybe it all makes sense to the average university student, but my weird-o-meter is in the red.
If these kids are really so stupid that they think someone lying in a pool of blood and full of holes is just unconscious, the U of I needs to do a better job of screening at enrollment. GD

I've been saying this for several days, before the skinned dog info. Nobody here bit. But the theory will soon gain traction.

It's a land grant college. They have to take all high school graduates from Idaho. When I was there, they used freshman English to flunk out those who had no business being in college. I went through with a friend who graduated from both college and medical school with perfect grades except for a B in freshman English. The teacher didn't give A's no matter how well he did in the class.

I've girls this same age, 18 and 21. While mine are fairly street smart, they are not the norm. I'm around a lot of these kids. Take what most in this generation say and throw it out the window. You would be amazed. I put very little credence to the 911 call details from scared [bleep] kids. My girls, their call would be basically the same as would mine. Some of their friends, maybe half, I would not be surprised at all by an "unconscious and unresponsive" description of the situation.

from Foxnews:

So, they haven't identified the weapon yet. This guy says that should it be a Ka-bar military type, it would be a good clue because those aren't common any more. Well, real Kabars might not be common, but there must be millions of Chinese fake Kabars out there. I don't know how many kids have them but there are plenty.

the killer was soaked in blood , OJ only killed 2 and he had blood all over him.

Guessing some of you folks never came to the next morning (or afternoon) after a night of drinking and after party enjoyment to find a roommate or two (or more) passed out on the floor, "unresponsive" at first?

It's easy for me to believe the first floor roommates were passed out when the events upstairs occurred, and I do mean passed out. Oblivious to the world around them and if they might have heard anything unusual they were likely incapable of understanding what it might be.. College party house, people coming and going all the time.

Downstairs roommate A comes too, sees roommate B still out on the floor, goes over shakes them and gets no response. Groggily wonders WTH is going on, then decides maybe I better call 911/EMS. Still somewhat stoned from the night before, never even thinks to go check on the upstairs roommates.

I guess I didn't lead a very sheltered life, as the scenario as I described it would not have been terribly unusual when I was a young man, except for the slashed bodies that is.

Folks passed out, completely out, many times at keg parties and such.

from Foxnews:
Jomathan Gillam is an idiot. If there was no market for KaBars and clones, there would not be dozens available on Amazon imcluding $20 Chinese knock offs. I have seen inexpensive clones in the store made by Ontario Knives.

Coulda been the victims were behind a locked door, someone tries to rouse them for whatever reason. Someone eventually looks through an outside window sees enough to make out someone was inside and or maybe the dog in a crate was barking.

More speculation on my part.

Reports say the victims were all on 2nd and 3rdfloors.

Many, many, many times. More often than not on a Saturday night during my time in Moscow. I could easily see this being the case and the surviving roommates not waking up until noon.

The bizarre 911 call is what has me stumped, though it is very possible, if not probable, that it is being incorrectly reported too.

Or, CTSmith is right and that is just how 20ish year old female minds work these days. My niece and nephew are that age, were raised in Idaho and certainly wouldn’t have consciously thought that way, but who knows…

I agree he's an idiot.
What kind of clues does a K-Bar leave that a Buck doesn't?

Scheidt,

we duct taped a friend to the floor at one party house when he passed out.

I had sunrise services held for me at a bluegrass festival (shine will make things like that occur) and awoke, with a bouquet of flowers on my chest, to a crowd of folks around me cheering for my awakening.

I haven't a clue how 20ish kids nowadays would deal with stuff like that, but it certainly wasn't unusual in my day, and apparently even in yours.

A shrine would have been unusual for me.

What was normal, was for me to wake up on the floor, under a table without pants on and dozens of dicks drawn on my face and arms with sharpies.

Puke piles around and random chicks passed out a couple feet away.

Reports elsewhere say the downstairs person called 911 to report that there was an unconscious person laying in front of the door and they were unable to open it. That may explain the “unconscious ” aspect of the call. Lots of heresay going around.

I am not sure how much sarcasm is here, but they’re using “K-Bar” generically for a big knife and specifically one with either serrations or a saw back. Supposedly the wounds were consistent with those features and coroners can often differentiate wounds made by a foot long blade vs smaller blades.

Possibly, though it wouldn’t be unusual for a person to be passed out in front of a door like that, especially at a known party house. That, and calling 911 to report it instead of just using another door or reaching a hand in to roll the passed out person out of the way seems bizarre. I still think there is a LOT more to this and the LEOs know it. They’re just not releasing it and likely for a good reason.
They must be frustrated with all the speculation and rumors floating around.

If they were rolled in front of a door, how did the killer get out?
I'm sure there's a simple explanation.

To clarify, the downstairs two were stuck downstairs due to a body blocking their doorway out. Not the front door.

Has it been released where the bodies were found?

According to reports all three floors had doors accessing the outside.

How could the two stuck downstairs be stuck? Interior room doors generally are required to open into said room. They were stuck out in the hall?
Dry odd

Osky

One article said ROTC students would have access to a Kabar knife. And that it was Rambo like. The info being shared is almost a joke. ROTC cadets, had nothing to do with knives like that. And the knives featured in Rambo movies look nothing like a Kabar knife. A Buck 119 is much closer to a Kabar. They are either clueless, or sharing information for the sake of sounding like they are making progress.

News showed pictures of forensics crews measuring tire tracks and looking around the house...almost a week later. I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but I have done forensic work and doing a week after the fact means you're an idiot. How many cars have parked in that driveway after a week? And people walked around that house? All of that should have been meticulously documented as soon as daylight would allow. Drones, IR cameras, dogs, UV lights...there are so many simple technologies.

Are you sure that news footage you’re referring to isn’t old footage from last week?

In North Carolina, the building code stipulates that no part, not one square foot of a house or apartment, may be more than 68 feet from an outside door. In case the place catches fire, everyone is assured of relatively easy access to get out.

On a 3 story apartment, you would have to have exit doors on all 3 floors.

Please for the sake of the country, go do better.


Oh wait, you can't. Lol lol lol

Actually longer than a week. 8 days later.

The city of Mosco has a hi-tech police force with stringent qualifications for those seeking to become an officer there.

The City of Moscow Police Department is seeking qualified entry and lateral candidates for the position of police officer to serve the community. Qualified applicants must be 21 years old, have a high school diploma or equivalent....

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/Jobs.as...tyJobs=False&JobID=Police-Officer-27

Yeah, those "Rambo" style knifes are pretty rare and hard to find - Harbor Freight $9.99

You just made the suspect list, expect a knock on your door.

Being a city police officer is not rocket science. Some of our most useless officers were college graduates. The best two I ever worked with were high school graduates that knew how to figure things out. One of them had spent 4 years as a U.S. Marine.

I looked at the K-Bars at the sporting goods store tonight. None of them had serrated edges.

#JACKDIDIT

I think there’s two possibilities for the call:

1) Bedroom door was locked or body blocking it. Roommates saw cars parked outside and maybe could hear cell phone ringing inside but nobody was responding.

2) Reddit rumors say that the surviving roommates heard a noise scary enough to make one go into the other’s room for the rest of the night. Not sure if that’s true or not, but no response or stirring upstairs the next day prompted one of the survivors to call her boyfriend to come over and check things out. He gets there, goes upstairs just far enough to see something has gone wrong (maybe just a leg or arm sticking out of a door down the hall) and then retreats until LE arrives.

Also, my wife went to Idaho and still knows a few people in the area.

She got a text on Sunday or Monday of last week that, at the time, seemed more like a rumor than anything.

Slowly, all of the details of that text have been confirmed by police, except that the surviving roommates saw someone around with a ski mask on.

Makes me think the source of that text might have better info than I initially thought.

The Fox (heard on Sat radio 114 and 115) reporter on scene sounds like an utter damned idiot.... "Asauuuhhhhh could have walked from the fraternity aaauuuhhhhh." Sounded like a aaaauuuhhhh dumb sumbitch. Nothing but a bunch of utterly uninformed [bleep] bullchit. Then they had an expert on saying how only certain people could have access to such a knife from WW2! Poor families having to hear this bullchit.

Hope they catch the killer soon. Been watching this pretty closely. My cousin, his wife and kids live in Moscow and I worked for the UofI until 2020.

This is the house. Surviving roommates were on the very bottom. 2 bodies on each of the other floor.

Easier to understand how the survivors might not have heard the murders and the killer (if it was a serial killing) might not have know anyone else was there.

Wasn't that the retired FBI agent who claimed to be a former Navy SEAL?? If so, he doesn't seem to know much about Navy SEAL equipment. The Navy SEALs have been issued the KaBar knife since the early Frogman days. I had a very good friend, now deceased, who was a Navy SEAL, Vietnam service, who told me they (SEALs) all were issued a KaBar knife. He carried his all through his service in Vietnam.

The original KaBar knife has been available on the civilian market since the end of WW II.

FWIW.

L.W.

Not sure. I hit mute about every time someone says something like this.

Duffis from Fox was claiming nobody could possibly walk there. "Wasn't walkable" except for from the fraternity! Naaaaahhhhn notin elze walkable aaauuuhhhhhh....

There's infinity googaplex damned knives available. Rambo knife! Idiots. Hopefully there will be resolution.

I don't see any of the TV coverage. Thankfully.

Moscow has some steep hills and students walk everywhere. Most of them are in pretty good shape for walking and walking downtown is common.

I know right where this happened and between there and the Sigma Chi house is only half the distance from there to the close end of campus. Walking 10x that distance daily is (or was 20 years ago) common for any student. Even the fatties.

Finally the the Moscow police reveal that Murphy, Kaylee's Labedoodle is safe!


I guess that information doesn't have to be kept secret anymore.

They've also come to the conclusion that Buddy, the Australian Shepard that was found skinned out nearby a couple weeks prior to the murders has nothing to do with the killing of these students either.


No explanation for that conclusion was offered, details must still be secret.

I guess we can add Buddy and Murphy to the 'cleared' list now.

LINK

Last week the kids on 4chan had posted aerial views of the surrounding area with the commonly used foot paths mapped out.

Most are through wooded areas and could be considered 'short cuts' from party house to party house around the school.

Good thing the police are taking those areas into consideration....a week later.

If they don't have a solid lead they are working on by this point they're going to be depending on someone just up and confessing to these murders.

With students heading home for the holidays it's going to make interviewing potential witnesses a bit more difficult.

#JACKDIDIT

Could you post a link?

K-Bar does make a version of that knife with half of the edge serrated . started to buy one a few years a go . but i have 2 reguler blade K-Bars already .Smoke Mountian Knife Works sell them ,and other places..oh Amozon has them for $96 dollors ,so not cheap

I don't think I can, the 4chan anonymous posting boards auto delete all posts.


There have been many 4chan threads with hundreds of posts that have since been deleted. Possibly others made screen shots of the maps and reposted on 4chan or else where online a guy could dig in and find them with a little searching.

Here is a link to a current active thread on the topic.

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/405268263/moscow-idaho-sorority-massacre-thread

These threads are brutal, makes the Fire seen like a kindergarten.
Lots of trash mixed with some seemingly valid information.

Example:


On the 4chan boards it's being described like this.



Who knows, time will tell.

Send your kid off to college in a 'safe place" and have to deal with this. Terrible.

They are the 1st murders in Moscow in 7 years. Plus, it's not on campus. It's known as a party house so the kids themselves made it less than safe. But, you can have killers anywhere. This was obviously done by a very sick person who needs to be caught and eliminated from the world. No place is totally safe.

You know they have DNA of the killer. Easy to eliminate folks.

I hadn't read that. Do they say what they have?

To my knowledge they have not said it specifically but they have said there is "plenty" of evidence, so draw your own conclusion. Plus, inherently in a situation like this, there is DNA.

Sounds like a modern day ‘Jack the Ripper’.

Did ‘JTR’ ever get caught?

🦫

Yeah, probably lots and lots of DNA of every possible type from lots and lots of people.

Good luck sorting that out.


One might be more of a suspect if their DNA isn't detectable in that house.

No he didn't. He killed 5 hookers. I'll bet that at least 1 of them had his skin under her nails but DNA hadn't been discovered back then.

The killer 'probably' ended up cutting himself and bled. Blood DNA from the killer would be iron clad evidence, obviously.

Right.

Exactly. Hence time. But they will sort it out.

Also it was confirmed early that at least one of the victims "struggled" with the killer. Here's your sign for DNA.

I have zero experience in law enforcement and crime investigation. I am only speaking from common logical sense. I imagine there is a lot of elimination going on now, which takes time.

Supposedly one girl fought back so they say she may have the killer’s DNA under her fingernails. I am sure if that is true then they have that evidence by now.

That isn’t to say anyone she touched earlier wouldn’t have left DNA there too so they’ll need to take that into account, but that is what I read…

I have more confidence in LEOs than many here seem to. They’re being real careful about this and for VERY good reason.

It's very common in stabbing cases for the killer to cut themself in the process of stabbing someone.

The blood science and DNA evidence related to blood splatter isn't all that hard to figure out.

Matching the blood evidence and DNA to a viable suspect can be frustrating, if after the initial tests to rule out suspects yields no fruit.

I read a report saying the killer "let them bleed out". In other words he didn't kill them quickly, possibly avoiding injuring vital organs to prolong the events. He may have slashed ankles and wrists to control them. If it is a serial killer, he could be anywhere in the country by now.

If fruit is the goal they maybe confusing the gay bar case.

Ok Dick Tracy aka Captain Covtard

“ The victims were stabbed in the chest and upper body, the coroner said.”

It was in the low 20s between 3 and 4am on the morning of the 13th.
Normal people have a tendency to wear heavier clothing and maybe even gloves during those kinda temperatures.

Someone that sets out to do a little murdering when it's cold may do the same or even dress a bit heavier.

The old CSI classic, skin under the fingernails isn't nessasarly a given.

Neither is the jilted lover scenario.

Probably something at the scene or information the other roommates had are pointing the cops at someone.

Time will tell, or not.

Likewise:
They would have been under warm blankets or wearing warm PJ's. He'd have to initially strike hard to get through it and that doesn't lend to surgery. Also unknown is their sleeping positions. Unless they were passed out rather than sleeping, he'd have to get both of them in each room in a hurry to keep the other from waking up and fighting. To say that the killer picked his spots with all that is highly unlikely. He had to strike hard and fast to take out all of them.

Its complicated, it had to be someone that knew all 4, one thing to attack two and leave, but then go to another floor in the building and kill them as well. Had to be someone that was jealous, ostracized by all four of the victims.

I should copy the link for this thread and send it to the Feebs and the Moscow PD???

Lotta good info here as to where they should be looking.

It did?

Sounds like Jack to me.

#jackdidit

I don’t think the detectives need to look to far

I don't think a pissed off ex could pull off something like this. Seems like a complete psychopath serial killer that might have killed before or a professional hitman..Someone with ice water in their veins for sure...

I don't see how a normal person who never killed before could snap so bad that they would use a medieval weapon like a knife instead of a gun...A normal person that just snapped would probably want to get in there, do the dirty deed and get out quickly, with as little trouble as possible, and I wouldn't think they would want to take the risk of using a knife when they could possibly get over powered or not know where to hit a person with a knife and possibly leave one of them alive by mistake.

If it was as simple as it being an ex friend/ boyfriend, etc, they'd probably be in custody already. This is like some MS13 gang crap or something. Stupid college kids messed with the wrong drug dealer or some crap.

You sure seem to know a lot about the mind of a psychopathic serial killer

I wonder if one of the roommates or friends/neighbors got into some acid and honestly doesn’t remember going psycho. I’d suspect there would be evidence if so since someone in that state of mind probably wouldn’t be real meticulous in leaving no clues.

Some reports state a ‘mess’ of evidence was left behind and it would take authorities a while to sort it out, so who knows what is going on.

There have got to be some bloody shoe prints, and bloody fingerprints in that house.

What are the odds this murder and the skinned and filleted dog three miles away are related?

I read somewhere that they have dismissed any connection between the two events.

As an aside, it’s gotta suck to be the owner of that house, clearly it was well-maintained. I dunno what they can do with it after this.

HA! I watch a lot of CSI, Law and Order, and Forensic Files. At any rate, just seems like common sense. If I'm going to kill 4 people, which I am not ever, my weapon of choice would not be a knife if I had better options. That's a little too up close and personal to me, but i'm not a crazy killer so what do I know? If it is a knife, it better be like a sword or spear or something, I wouldn't take that chance...I guess some average person could snap that bad...I mean that is some Medieval crap, why not an axe or a big sword or something? You'd have to really be one sick person or someone with past experience to use a knife...I wouldn't have the stomach for any of it..

You really think an Ex could snap that bad to kill 4 people with a knife and walk out and not be walking around like a zombie after doing something that heinous? After they come back to their senses I mean, they aren't going to be acting normal for sure.

Jack seems statistically likely, but I'm doubtful.

The crime scene is fixed in the sense that it contains (or does not contain) all of the evidence it ever will. There is no hurry to process the scene in the legal sense if they have probable cause for an arrest right NOW. They can arrest now on probable cause and finish processing the scene to beyond a reasonable doubt in the coming days or weeks.

However, they do not have a murder weapon, nor do they have any bloody clothing. Both of those things are VERY important pieces of evidence if they can be recovered.

Now, you take someone like Jack. If he did it, it was presumably a crime of passion or very hastily planned, meaning it wasn't done very well. He would likely have some cuts, scratches, or other marks on his hands and arms, which would be visible to police. There should be some kind of digital data (or maybe just odd inactivity) on his phone. The knife was either in his possession already (and probably known to his roommates because he didn't obtain it specifically to commit the murder) or he purchased it shortly before the killings (which LE have already looked into). In either case, they would have some indication that Jack owned a big knife of some kind. And its unlikely Jack would not act strangely if he had just murdered 4 people and had state and federal agents interrogating him.

In other words, if the killer is Jack, law enforcement likely has enough for probable cause to get a warrant for his residence and search his body for any wounds the victims may have caused. I promise you, law enforcement would not hold back to "build their case" or whatever else has been suggested if they had PC to arrest Jack and no murder weapon or bloody clothes. They would want to try and recover that evidence and any other evidence before it is disposed of. Yeah, they might have someone watching Jack to see if he takes a bag of trash out of the house or whatever, but meanwhile Jack could be cutting his clothes up into little bitty pieces and flushing them down the toilet, or filing his Ka-Bar into a pile of metal shavings, or destroying the evidence in any other number of ways. The cops want to get inside Jack's residence if they think he might be the killer, and will do so ASAP.

DNA data, in an expedited case, can be turned around in less than 24 hours. Cell data can be produced within minutes sometimes. Yes, it might take a while to get through ALL of it, but I promise these things have already been done:

1) Review of Jack's cell data, as well as the victims
2) DNA testing of victims' fingernails with comparison to Jack's DNA (voluntarily or via a warrant)
3) Intense vetting of Jack's alibi and his story of events leading up to that night
4) Approximate shoe size for Jack and the killer

If Jack did commit the murders, I have a real hard time believing they don't have probable cause for a search of his house yet.

I also have a hard time believing Jack would be able to "run the table" and stab all 4 people to death before anyone had a chance to get to their phone. There is an unsolved Oregon stabbing from last year that some are saying might be related if this is a serial killer. In that case, the killer stabbed the wife 19 times and she survived: https://people.com/crime/masked-intruder-stabbed-oregon-woman-19-times-killed-husband/

Point is, it is apparently not that easy to quickly kill someone with a knife. All of these Millennial/Gen-Z victims would have had their phones nearby. I think it is very likely Jack would have unknowingly left at least 1 of the 4 still alive, and that person would have called 911 or texted someone. And of course, they all knew who Jack was and could have identified him if he didn't have a mask on or if he said anything.

Instead, the police just EXPANDED the crime scene yesterday, 8 days after the killings. 8 days of media and lookey-loos coming by to try and see something about this infamous crime. God knows how contaminated that area probably is:


Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-expanding-crime-scene-site-college-students-murders

This tells me they don't have a suspect yet. Also tells me that they might have thought this was a pretty open-and-shut case initially, and they aren't solving it as quickly and easily as expected. Also tells me, as many have said on here, they are not the best investigators. How was the wooded area immediately in back of the house not secured earlier?

Kind of what I was thinking...

You make some good points but there is the fact these folks were out partying and were quite likely passed out. Two in one room and two in another room on another floor. (From accounts).

If passed out, would have been easy enough for Killer to get their phones out of the way if they were nearby the victims before they could call. Then again, phones get put on dressers to charge and not necessarily near the bed.

Two other victims passed out on the other floor of the house may never have heard anything, or if they did been cognizant enough of what it was they were hearing.

Killer then goes to their room and repeats.

They'll catch Killer soon enough............................or not.

Had this taken place in Texas in the days of LBJ, it already would have been dismissed as suicides.

How kind of you to take real estate investors into consideration.

I'd clean that place up, blast some Kilz primer on the walls, paint it and have it sold inside of a couple weeks to some other real estate inverstor smuck.

It's actually a pretty sweet place in a prime location.

1122 King Rd
Moscow, ID 83843

6 Beds

3 Baths

2,295 sqft


One of the top campus housing options available! - Sought after location within close walking/biking/driving distance to campus and Greek Row. Ideal set up for roommates with 2 beds / 1 bath on each level. Great outdoor living and entertaining space with large deck and patio.. This 6 bed / 3 full bath home has been fully renovated in 2018 - 2019. Recent updates included new kitchen (cabinets, counters, appliances), 2 fully remodeled bathrooms and newer flooring throughout (no carpet). Washer/Dryer in unit and reserved off-street parking. Easy living with low maintenance landscaping. Professionally managed by Team Idaho Real Estate & Property Management (one of Moscow's longest standing property management firms!) All maintenance is performed by qualified, licensed, and insured professionals. All major systems (roof, furnace, etc have been updated in recent years). A proactive maintenance program with annual dryer vent cleaning, bi-annual furnace servicing, and proactive quarterly maintenance inspections. 

Know of a couple incidents, and folks involved w cleanup.
It can be quite a remodel.

Tks for taking the time, I’d figure who would want to live there after that, I could be wrong.

After many years of watching “Law and Order” I think I’m qualified to say it was an inside job.

LBJ was a nobody in Texas. Same as Biden was to Obama or Pence to Trump.

No offense, but nobody from Minnesota should ever talk politics to America.

Matlock would have already apprehended the suspect and retrieved a signed confession.

There had been a murder in one of the last homes I lived in for any length of time. The wife had shot her husband in the garage, I was in there for nine years and it just never entered my mind.

Considerably different than this. I honestly think it'd sell or rent pretty easy, maybe a little slower but I doubt it.

I struggle more with things like giving the deposits back to the parents.

There's going to be major down time, major clean up and a paint job at minumum. I might resist sending them a bill for the all the expenses they cost me but I'd be incline to retain any deposits and just call it even, that'd be being generous in my book.

Thanks for the rundown and pics, Rene

Depends on the social status of the parents. Rich fûcks that sent their kids to "school" to party for 4 years I'd eat the cleaning bill and keep the deposits.

Working folks, I'd refund the deposits.

But I'm a poor businessman, and I'd be a absolute shîtty slumlord.

Probably just makes it worse, but I'm actually from Iowa. I was thinking of the skillful suicide of Henry Marshall.

I think you might start seeing news reports about Kaylee having a stalker.

The kids on the 4chan and reddit boards have been raging on this kid since day one, they know him.

I posted a link to his photos in a earlier post in this thread, it's the kid with the hoody at the food truck that the police say they've cleared. His name is also Jack, not to be confused with the ex boyfriend named Jack.

This is all total BS rumor, take it with a grain of salt.

The kids have been saying Kaylee reported 'food truck Jack' to the police for stalking a couple months ago, he lives real close by.

Ethan Chapin, the dead guy, supposedly reported 'food truck Jack' to his fraternity and he was supposedly kicked out.

The kids have also stated "food truck Jack" has a huge collection of knives.

They've had nothing positive to say about this kid while at the same time speak highly of Jack the ex boyfriend just like Kaylees parents do.

Food truck Jack took all his social media sites down as soon as the video of him at the food truck hit the news.
But not before the kids snagged a few images and posted them elsewhere. That's the images I posted the link to earlier, he's standing in the middle of a gut pile with bloody clothes on, he'd obviously just killed a elk and dressed it out. One of the images shows him packing out the rack from his elk.

I think the kids could just be biased because he hunts and they don't like him. As far as the stalking thing goes and Ethan reporting him to his fraternity, idunno, it's likely to all be BS biased rumors.

Just wanted to throw this out there if the news starts running with the stalking story and the name Jack comes up, it isn't going to be the ex boyfriend Jack they will be speaking of.

I think Jack the ex boyfriend is probably the one that used the girls phone to make the 911 call.
They say the girls called friends to the house before the 911 call was made, being they all knew Jack he may have been who they called for help.

Keep in mind, this is all hearsay BS thus far.

Too bad Angila Lansbury is dead. She'd have this whole mess sorted.

The experts seem divided.

Mod Squad..
Huggy Bear, or the local equivalent in Moscow ID, would have the straight poop. By sundown that evening after the 911 calls they'd have been jumping over car hoods and tackling perps left and right.

As sparky suggested-
https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-co...ips-victim-stalker-not-verified-info.amp

Columbo still scratching his forehead and asking another question.

Not necessarily a ex, could be someone they shunned for whatever reason, there is no good reason... guaranteed they are looking for a psycho and maybe no evident the person was so. Likely a introvert. A knife is relatively quiet, unlike a firearm, of which I am sure are plentiful in Idaho.

This person went fron one floor of the building to another floor, all 4 were friends. Didn't mess with the ones on the first floor... whom would have heard gunshots, drunk or not they would have been alerted before the killer went to next floor... and his next victim's would have been alerted as well.

Knife's are definitely up close and personal and require some planning.

Two Jacks, food truck Jack looking suspicious as hell.

#WHEREWASJACK

Rumors, rumors, rumors!

Just to fuel the fire a little bit, have any of you followed the link to this kids hunting photos?

Did ya notice anything that might be special laying on the ground just below the gut pile, right of center?

You guys would never make good detectives.

Where's Dick Tracy when ya need him?

You say some really stupid schit and it gets more stupid by the week.

Saw that. Started to post it last night but wasn’t sure it was the same kid as the food stand guy. If it is, I’m sure it will generate a conversation or two.

I'll say the food stand Jack looked very suspicious on that vid. Sure looked like he was tailing those girls.

Reddit boards lighting up about him too.

I went back and watched the entire food truck video last night (about 10 minutes). It's suspicious as hell.

The guy walks up next to one of the girls and as soon as they reach the crowd of people, the girls dart away and pretty much ignore him for the several minutes it takes to order and get their food.

Meanwhile, Jack #2 pulls his hood up and fades back. Someone in the line knows him and starts talking to him. Then the girls get their food and walk off. He notices they are gone, then heads out too, but in a different direction. By the time he leaves the screen, it looks like he is jogging.

Supposedly, he told the guy in the video that he was "making sure the girls got home safe" but it is pretty clear they did not want anything to do with him. They tried to get the heck out of there while he was distracted with the other guy, and didn't bother to say goodbye or anything.

From what has been released, this guy sounds the most probable to me.

A couple of fixed blade knives used to dress out an elk. Kinda normal for hunters of big game to carry a knife or two, isn't it?

L.W.

Must be this part of the image that's noticed.


Just because the kid chose to use the murder weapon I mean a big knife to butcher his elk don't make him all bad.

The kids on the posting boards are all treating him pretty mean too.

Too much information, this guy's filling in blanks at best, if he really knows anything at all.

It does check out that his parents are doctors in Boise though.
They have a 5800sf home in the hills.

They say the cops were all over the kitchen window that's beside the sliding glass door dusting for fingerprints, they are posting these pictures...



They might be thinking somebody was watching them or came in that way, who knows...
The little finger emoji is pointing at a handprint on the sliding door after the dusting job.

I thought this picture they posted was sorta interesting, damn kids are nosey little buggers.
Kind looks like a inside view of the same thing you can see above the cops heads as they were fiddling around the outside of the window.





The kids are convinced of it, that's for sure.

The Grub Truck guys got ahold of the police and gave them their video the same morning as the murders.
They live stream on Twitch while they sell food, there's a rolling chat window while they live stream where they can chat up the kids and tell them where they are at and what they are serving.

This is the original video they gave the cops

It helped the cops to create a timeline so they knew where the girls were and when. They gave a copy to the press, we all saw it in the news. The cops stopped there with their investigation of the video.

The kids got enraged, called the cops, told them Kaylees stalker was shadowing her in the video, the cops hadn't noticed.
Really, I don't think anyone would if you didn't know who he was and it wasn't pointed out to you. The kids all knew him.
He just appears to be another kid lingering around the group on the sidewalk.

Next came this video, if you watch the lower left screen you'll see the two girls go darting out toward the street as if maybe their ride had arrived.

At that point Food Truck Jack completely looses interest in the gathering and takes off walking away.

So the police 'cleared' him, the girls left with their friend in a car and Jack left walking.

According to the kids on the posting boards they are still badgering the cops about this which may account for this...

This. To say that about LBJ defies all evidence - nasty actor and very powerful.

Not either Jack or they would have nabbed his butt a long time ago.

Something weird though. The first reporting caller said "there is someone unconscious on the floor" Strange considering the amount of blood unless the caller was totally traumatized by the scene...from what I've heard of the crime scene, you would think the caller would be hysterical and find it hard to even get the words out.

Of course, we don't really know if we're hearing the truth...like the no dog connection, why would they blab to the perp or perps everything they know about the crime.

Hell, they have no more of a clue than we who are guessing on this thread.

Lots of "might have been"s.

Definitely

I can easily see a situation where the surviving female roommate got a peek of the situation and in an instant turned and made a retreat without getting a good view. No way she is going to start searching the house and investigating. The first thought could have easily been that there is a clear and present danger.

Whoever skinned and filleted that dog wanted to try something more thrilling.

Yeah, I believe it's connected. Another psycho...These killers can be smart. A couple kids gooned up and passed out. Probably cased the place for a while and picked his time to commit. He'll do it again if given the chance.

How the authorities could initially tell the people there was no need to be alarmed is ludicrous! I would like to know how they arrived at that conclusion. Time to arm up and be vigilant.

The biggest mystery here is that none of the Camfire regulars have posted here stating why it must be a Groid or an illegal that did this.
They must all be busy over on the Colorado bar shooting thread spewing their homophobic hate in support of that murderer.

Homophobic...you fugkin retard goy.

Coulda been some psycho unknown to the victims.
College towns are target areas for predators.
Maybe stalked, maybe just picked that night.
There is evil in this world.

Wonder if this isn't the attackers first.
Need to catch whoever did it and hang em.

We all know that blacks are scared of the dark.

In rural West Africa that was certainly true, but then consider all the critters native to that Continent that could kill ya in a heartbeat. A black cobra killed a girl from our school and that was in broad daylight.