Gentlemen, let's call a truce. I was just making conversation when I started this thread, didn't intend for it to take this route although the discussion and comparison of .257 bullets to 6mm bullets has been enlightening. I don't handload, although I've pulled a good bit of my late father's equipment and components out of storage and I'm about to start learning. I say that to emphasize that the disussion really has been informative. Oh, and I'm keeping a 700 243 for my boys to use when they start carrying a deer rifle, I am a fan of the 243 for what it's worth.