Originally Posted by northern_dave
I've watched/listened to him speak.

I don't think I'd buy a horse from the guy.

Best thing he's got going for him is the fact that it's him vs .gov

Federal gov over reaches and destroys everything in it's path, people love to hate them (myself included).

So, it really doesn't matter if the guy is fulla chit. He's an instant hero for defying the government.



Yep.

I haven't heard an articulate or convincing statement from Cliven, or his family, that backs his cause.

That's not to say I don't have issues with the 1993 ruling in favor of the turtles.

It's convoluted dilemma with lots of wrongs ... on every side. And a few right ones too.