Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by K22
Saved from what?

Excellent question.


Saved from sin and it's wages... eternal consequence.

Everlasting spiritual death
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Roman s 6:23

The spiritually dead suffer torments.

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Now you can see from the first verse I mentioned,

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Roman s 6:23

We deserve to go to hell.
God loves us, so He gave Jesus His only begotten Son to take our place. He suffered enough so that anyone who DECIDES to go to heaven through HIM will be saved from suffering forever.
It takes you changing your mind and realizing that you can't add anything to the salvation by good works. What we could add amounts to a few filthy rags compared to Jesus' torments. The decision involves making Him the object of our trust/ faith/believe .

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

To make it very simple, there's a prayer to receive this gift located at the end of the links below. PM anytime or if you (or others) decide to make that decision.


Ya have to love how you turn simple words into some form of a religion. Sin, a Greek Archery term, to miss the mark. it can also mean to be mistaken, to err, exactly what religious teachings are doing.
Hell, a word that originally was Hebrew and meant: a gorge. But as the Greek were using it.......... This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned. ............ loosely translated from the Greek it can mean "Grave", but nothing more.

Death: another word that's meaning is exactly that. Death, something that happens when you die, the end of life.

Your use of the words spiritually dead are being manipulated, something religion loves to do to lead its followers down a primrose path.
So the end of life (death) and Hell (a valley or the grave) are cast into the lake of fire and you think that is bad?? It simply means there will be no more end of lives nor graves since end of life will no longer exist.
So who was not written in the book of life? It's an easy answer and probably not the one you were programmed to believe.

Begotten son, someone God gave birth to. Begotten: alone (without a companion), but from its original word it simply means; to remain, abide in reference to place to sojourn, tarry not to depart to continue to be present to be held, kept, continually, to remain as one, not to become another or different.

Jesus is someone I'm very well acquainted with. I've known and followed His teachings for a lot of years now. So here is something to ponder on. One of the things Jesus taught me was that He and I are sons of God equally. He and I are sons of men equally.


You sound like a pastor.
What denomination do you belong to?