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Originally Posted by wabigoon
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Originally Posted by wabigoon
It's called "Amazing Grace', for Good reason.


Are you saying that non believers are saved?



Once they become Believers.


When does that happen?

Take a few minutes to find out what Biblical Christianity teaches on that good question in the links of my signature.
A man in the N.T. asked a very similar question.


A non believer may know what Christianity teaches, may have read the bible, but is not convinced....what then?
God is omniscient, meaning that he knows everything, past, present, and future. He knows what your final decision will be even if you waver back and forth for 50 years. Jesus said that God calls those who will be saved and those are drawn to him. So how does God know who to call? In Romans 8, it says that those who God foreknows will be called. That means that he knows whether you will chose for him or not. It's not predestination. You still have free choice, but God knows what that choice will be. With that knowledge in advance, he either calls you or he doesn't. The Bible doesn't say when that call will come. It could have already come and you're a work in motion, or maybe it won't come until you're on your deathbed. If you don't get called, don't say that God rejected you. You rejected him and he just knows it before you do.



My question had nothing to do with 'rejecting God' - not being convinced of something doesn't mean rejection.

More to the point, my question was specifically about what is supposed to happen to a non believer once they are presented with proof of the existence of God, in the presence of God, while awaiting judgment.

The question being: does a non believers lack of conviction prior to being in the presence of God condemn them? Yes or no?
It's black or white. You're saved or you're not. There is no 'sort of saved'. If you haven't accepted Christ, then you're in a state of rejection. For when you turn around, it's different for each person and only you and the Lord know when it happens.

Proof of existence of God? Walk out your front door and look around. Pick up any book on anatomy and look at the incredible complexity of life, right down to the molecular level. Then go smaller than molecular, to the elemental level and the periodic table, the makeup of atoms themselves. To think that this all occurred by accident from some ball of matter exploding is totally absurd. Besides, where did that ball come from if not created by God?


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