Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Originally Posted by BobinNH
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
If the 280 had came out before the 270...the 270 would probably never had been born.

Flame suit on.


It did.

They called it the 7x64 Brenneke and it came out in 1912,so had a 12 -13 year start on the 270.

It would have been silly for Winchester to bring out a .284 on the 30/06 case because the Brenneke already existed.

So it brought out a true 7mm instead and named it the 270 Winchester.


The 7x64 Brenneke is not the 280 Remington.
1) It is a European cartridge.
2) How many people in 1912 would have known it existed?
3) With the name Winchester so intrenched in Americana, how much traction would something with the name "Brenneke" get in a pre WW America?


There isn't a lick of difference between the 7x64 and the 280 Remington ballistically.......they even look the same. Ever hold them side by side?

What solid reason, commercially, would Winchester have to chamber an almost identical cartridge?



How much traction another 284 based on the 30/06 would have gotten in 1925 is moot. Fact is the 7x64 didn't get any......then or later...when the 280 finally came on the scene in 1956 or so. It got buried in the noise of the 7 Rem Mag,and never has touched the 270 in sales or popularity. Even Elmer Keith and the OKH (another 7mm on the 30/06 case) did;t breathe any life into the concept.

I love you guys who like to speculate on revisionist history and convince the rest of us the 270 wouldn't exist if Winchester had created the 280 instead. Really WTH cares? It didn't happen.

What a ridiculous argument.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.