Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Originally Posted by BWalker
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Originally Posted by BWalker

Barnes has continued to change their bullets since the original X bullet came out. This is for good reason.


Every bullet manufacturer, Every Rifle manufacturer, Every car manufacturer, etc etc........

Continues to offer new products and developments,

It's called increased revenue and growth.

Business 101.

Or it's called fixing bugs. No one can objectively say the first three generations of Barnes monos have issues.


I shot a bunch of original Barnes X bullets and found expansion to be inconsistent, even at 7mm RM velocities. I quit using them as a result. TSX were very accurate in every rifle I tried them in but I decided not to use them on game so have no experience there. Have been using the tipped X bullets (MRX, TTSX and LRX) since they first came out and have been impressed with the wound channels.

I really wanted the first generation Barnes X bullets to work, but they didn't work reliably. I dropped a coyote at 75 yards or so with no visible entrance or exit wound. Another had a softball sized hole. One antelope took three shots total with a 160g X bullet. It laid down after the first two but kept its head up as if sunning itself. We circled around and the third round, from another angle, took part of the heart and put the unfortunate animal out of its misery. For me, that kind of performance indicated a definite "problem" with the X bullet design.

The third generation MRX and fourth generation TTSX and LRX have worked reliably, no problems encountered - no signs of failure to expand in over 14 years of use by my hunt group, coyotes and antelope to elk



How many instances of poor expansion did you experience? I would be interested to hear about them, if you're willing.

I also used a lot of original X bullets, and never experienced anything like that, though I am aware that there are many people who did experience sub-par performance with that bullet. I did shoot a Pronghorn with a 160gr X from the 7RM, just as you did, on a hard-quartering shot. The bullet entered the onside shoulder/brisket intersection and exited the offside near the tail. The buck had the same reaction as yours did, dropping to the ground but keeping its head up. Another shot to the neck ended it. When I opened the pronghorn up, however, I found that the quartering bullet had expanded and done plenty of damage. The old buck was just a little tougher than most, I guess.

Again, it's totally normal for companies to make adjustments to existing designs and manufacturing processes to try to improve performance. The PT has undergone different methods of making the jackets, different longitudinal placement of the partition, different jacket thickness profiles, different lead alloys (IIRC), etc, to try to optimize performance. This is a good thing. The original X bullet, like the original PT, the original automobile, and even the original toothbrush, was a good albeit imperfect design. Subsequent modifications after inception have improved performance in all of these cases.

Jordan, that's disingenuous. The partition worked perfectly from day one. Subsequent changes were to facilitate manufacturing, improve ballistic performance, etc.
The original Barnes X bullets on the other hand had quality control issues with the copper wire used to make them, the also had a poor record of expanding, they fouled terrible in many guns, and they had accuracy issues. The XLC version alleviated the fouling, but the other issues remained. The TSX solved the fouling and accuracy issues completely, but the erratic expansion issues persisted. The MRX which came out next had accuracy issues in some guns and tended to rivet which lead to wound channels being less than straight. The TTSX solved that issue, but still occasionally failed to expand on occasion. The latest version, the LRX attempted too fix the poor BC issue that Barnes monos have had since they went to bands on the shank. They some what succeeded in this regard although the BC's still are not great. In short the development of the Barnes mono has been an engineering cluster phuq where each successive generation has attempted to bandaid the issues of the previous. That's how I see it.
I should note that I shot several deer with a 270 of my dads using the original X and they worked great. My dad then took the same gun and loads to Africa and had several problems with bullets not expanding. This was circa 1991 IIRC. My dad also could not get the original X to shoot in several of his guns with any sort of accuracy, but that old 270, a late seventies Model 700 with one of the first Brown stocks loved them.

Last edited by BWalker; 02/24/20.