Some of the guys have cut pine trees down through the years. The paper company got enough. Some of the guys have been on that lease for 50 years. I’ve been on there for 15 years. Damn shame, it was 90 miles away. Good deer, too many damn hogs, but a fun place. I got on this lease when I lost the 1000 acres I had to myself in Coleman County It was sold after the owner died. I had it for 25 great years. I have to get all of my stands, feeders, etc. I hate picking-hauling all that crap back.
I have another lease in Burnet county, so I still have a place to hunt. It’s 4 hours away.
I've lost permission to hunt due to what other people did. (Trash and cut fences) farmer kicked everyone out, but I've never leased a place in my life.
hanco, One of the reasons I left Louisiana almost 34 years ago. Very little government/state land, near impossible to get a good lease.....unless you’re a doctor/lawyer/Indian chief. Oh.....or a crooked politician! Plus......Louisiana is way too crowded! memtb
Nope, never had a lease so never lost one. One reason I'd never want to move to Texas or any State that didn't have plenty of public land. I'd never be able to afford the rediculous lease fee's so would never be able to hunt
Been on some good leases over the years. I tell everyone nothing lasts forever. You might go and talk to the paper company. Tell them you had nothing to do with this problem. And with you retired and running the lease it want happen again. Hasbeen
hanco, One of the reasons I left Louisiana almost 34 years ago. Very little government/state land, near impossible to get a good lease.....unless you’re a doctor/lawyer/Indian chief. Oh.....or a crooked politician! Plus......Louisiana is way too crowded! memtb
Been on some good leases over the years. I tell everyone nothing lasts forever. You might go and talk to the paper company. Tell them you had nothing to do with this problem. And with you retired and running the lease it want happen again. Hasbeen
I don’t have patience for that. Not a people person. Don’t have time either. I’ll be able to hunt the other lease better.
I'm on pins and needles right now over our lease. It has sold and we are waiting for word on whether we're going to be able to continue hunting. My family started hunting there in 1971.
I'm on pins and needles right now over our lease. It has sold and we are waiting for word on whether we're going to be able to continue hunting. My family started hunting there in 1971.
It’s hell waiting to find out. I’ve been on four leases since 1976. Ozone in Crockett County, Coleman County, Woodville in Polk county and Burnet in Burnet county. The Burnet lease is in trouble, owners died, left land in trust. Some of siblings are trying to break the trust.
I never been on a lease, not even as a guest. I hunt huge chunks of public land . I am too poor to pay for land , so public it is. It is very tough hunting but is all I have. As for the lease you lost, how much was it? and you still have a place to hunt.
If I lived in a state that had huge chunks of public land, I probably never would have hunted on leased land. I envy those of you that live in areas like that. But, sadly that is not the situation where I live.
Some of the guys have cut pine trees down through the years. The paper company got enough. Some of the guys have been on that lease for 50 years. I’ve been on there for 15 years. Damn shame, it was 90 miles away. Good deer, too many damn hogs, but a fun place. I got on this lease when I lost the 1000 acres I had to myself in Coleman County It was sold after the owner died. I had it for 25 great years. I have to get all of my stands, feeders, etc. I hate picking-hauling all that crap back.
I have another lease in Burnet county, so I still have a place to hunt. It’s 4 hours away.
Anyone else ever lose a good lease?
Yup. Was on mine for five or six years, then last fall was told we had to get all our stuff off by 26 October...about a week before deer season. Land got sold.
Most of Texas is private, you pay or you don’t hunt. It is what it is.
Jeez, Kinda the opposite of California. Y'all can own all sorts or firearms we can't, but unless you pay someone you really can't use them.
Those of us here can't own a whole bunch of firearms (legally?) but we can't hunt in a whole lot of places for free................even in SoCal and just a 90 minute drive or so from metro San Fran and Suctomento.
Maybe if some of you Texicans moved here when you lose your leases we can up the pro 2A vote and turn this state around. We'll trade you some antis!
All joking aside hanco, sorry to hear about your situation. Hunting leases, like renting a house long term only to have the ownership change really sucks at times.
When you lease the hunting rights on a piece of ground, the only thing you know for sure is that you will lose it at some point. We lost our Mule Deer ranch in the Big Bend about four years ago after having it for about fifteen years. Then about three years ago I lost the Whitetail pasture I had leased for twenty five years here at home.
Change in ownership was the reason in both cases. I didn’t get outbid, they just quit leasing.
I have about a quarter section I can hunt about three miles from the house. My two kids heired it from their mother so I’m likely to keep it.
If hunting is not important enough to you to pay what it takes to lease good property.....that’s fine. But it is chickenshit to badmouth those of us to whom it IS important. Even when I go to another state to hunt, I pay to hunt private land.
I tried public land hunts in N Mexico and Colorado years ago and killed deer both times, but knowing there were idiots prowling the same area I was hunting took all the joy out of it.
And yeah, Hanco, I feel your pain having to move all that stuff. BTDT.
When you lease the hunting rights on a piece of ground, the only thing you know for sure is that you will lose it at some point. We lost our Mule Deer ranch in the Big Bend about four years ago after having it for about fifteen years. Then about three years ago I lost the Whitetail pasture I had leased for twenty five years here at home.
Change in ownership was the reason in both cases. I didn’t get outbid, they just quit leasing.
I have about a quarter section I can hunt about three miles from the house. My two kids heired it from their mother so I’m likely to keep it.
If hunting is not important enough to you to pay what it takes to lease good property.....that’s fine. But it is chickenshit to badmouth those of us to whom it IS important. Even when I go to another state to hunt, I pay to hunt private land.
I tried public land hunts in N Mexico and Colorado years ago and killed deer both times, but knowing there were idiots prowling the same area I was hunting took all the joy out of it.
And yeah, Hanco, I feel your pain having to move all that stuff. BTDT.
Good. We prefer you idiots stay on private.
For someone that’s use to hunting public land, and then go with someone that’s hunts private, it’s pretty comical.
Unaware of surroundings, don’t GAF what’s behind where they’re shooting. Can’t shoot past 75 yards... my 7 year old kid makes them look like an amateur
You know its comical reading the post about some of the fellows that hunt only on public land. They're the ones that can out hunt, out shoot, out fish, out drink, out fug everyone else. Some of them kinda remind me of AOC..... haven't got a fuggin clue. Lots of folks that hunt on public land are good land stewards, good hunters, etc., but not all and that gives everyone a black eye. if your fuggin up on leased land, your gone, ASAP. Land owners wont put up with it. But hell, us fellows that lease dont know what were doing. The very reason I wont hunt public land is because of the idiots that show up there.
You know its comical reading the post about some of the fellows that hunt only on public land. They're the ones that can out hunt, out shoot, out fish, out drink, out fug everyone else. Some of them kinda remind me of AOC..... haven't got a fuggin clue. Lots of folks that hunt on public land are good land stewards, good hunters, etc., but not all and that gives everyone a black eye. if your fuggin up on leased land, your gone, ASAP. Land owners wont put up with it. But hell, us fellows that lease dont know what were doing. The very reason I wont hunt public land is because of the idiots that show up there.
The reason you don’t hunt public land, like most of you, is because you can’t get it done.
I think that many of you don’t quite understand lease hunting. There are a few as described, but for many it’s hunting ....just like public land. Not high fenced, the only fencing “may” be a four strand barbed wire. Often the lessors are obligated to help maintain the property.... an old farm house, fencing, etc. For many, it’s anything but a “ canned hunt”! memtb
[quote=Oldman3]Hanco, sorry to hear you lost your lease. BTDT.
You know its comical reading the post about some of the fellows that hunt only on public land. They're the ones that can out hunt, out shoot, out fish, out drink, out fug everyone else. Some of them kinda remind me of AOC..... haven't got a fuggin clue. Lots of folks that hunt on public land are good land stewards, good hunters, etc., but not all and that gives everyone a black eye. if your fuggin up on leased land, your gone, ASAP. Land owners wont put up with it. But hell, us fellows that lease dont know what were doing. The very reason I wont hunt public land is because of the idiots that show up there.
The reason you don’t hunt public land, like most of you, is because you can’t get it done. Not
I think that many of you don’t quite understand lease hunting. There are a few as described, but for many it’s hunting ....just like public land. Not high fenced, the only fencing “may” be a four strand barbed wire. Often the lessors are obligated to help maintain the property.... an old farm house, fencing, etc. For many, it’s anything but a “ canned hunt”! memtb
I’ve hunted public land in Texas, it’s scary as hell.
Same in Louisiana, should have a good life insurance policy. The few times I hunted public land in Louisiana, there was quite a bit shooting well before daylight. You just “hunker down”, and hope you don’t slow down a round! memtb
I’ve hunted public land in Texas, it’s scary as hell.
Same in Louisiana, should have a good life insurance policy. The few times I hunted public land in Louisiana, there was quite a bit shooting well before daylight. You just “hunker down”, and hope you don’t slow down a round! memtb
SOB, just have to “hunker down” bullets flying? You guys are FOS.
I think that many of you don’t quite understand lease hunting. There are a few as described, but for many it’s hunting ....just like public land. Not high fenced, the only fencing “may” be a four strand barbed wire. Often the lessors are obligated to help maintain the property.... an old farm house, fencing, etc. For many, it’s anything but a “ canned hunt”! memtb
Bullshyt. There ain't no feeders, food plots, elevated blinds or "managed' trophy bucks on public land and atv's are not allowed. If you lease guys want us to think you really hunt, you aught to at least keep the feeders and blinds out of sight when you take your hero shots with youir grain fed "trophies".
Ive lost more places to hunt than you could ever imagine. I mean huge multi ten thousand to 200 thousand acre places to hunt tgat you probably couldnt pay to get permission to hunt on.
Rancher dies and kids sell. Unreal. Ranches where i took care of the rancheers eyes or saved a grandsons eye after injury or just told an old rancher to sue the sucker who blinded his eye and had him liiving for years with me trying to keep him from losing it or treating a ranchers wife for glaucoma or getting a cactus thorn out of a sons eye who had recently had corneal graft sx when 2 other drs couldnt find the cause of the severe pain. Ha, PTL i flipped the lid and saw the speck of thorn emdedded and scratching hell...
The 104 thousand acres i got my booner on, the rancher I treated for glaucoma passed 4 mo later. I had another booner scoped out the other hunters knew nothing of. . That was managed to take 14 deer a year.
40,000 acres west of Andrews. Primo blue quail, dove coyotes, a few deer. Old man had my buddy and his SIL and dauggter running it and with dementia he forgot to pay the lease. Oil co didnt want to pay damages for surface on it anyway. Adios after 30 years.
10, 000 acres on Independance Creek with 500 year old live oaks to sit in with a bow and white tails to 160 inches near Pecos Rivver in remote, rough canyon country. Guys dad died and he married a blonde city slicker who wanted him to quit being one of Texass best ER drs and see the world. Spring fed lakes with bassx and rainbows and catfish where you could see spearheads 12c eet deep in the crystal clear water. I had taken care of the multimillionaire multi ranch owner Burt Wheeler who gave the place to his nephew. He sold it to make her happy. Herds of wild turkey and deer. SOB.
I could go on but im starting to feel ill.
Nothing lasts except change and schitt happening.
300,000 acres south Texas. The grandson, my high school bud, died at age 22 when his tractor rolled. SOB.
Ive lost more places to hunt than you could ever imagine. I mean huge multi ten thousand to 200 thousand acre places to hunt tgat you probably couldnt pay to get permission to hunt on.
Rancher dies and kids sell. Unreal.
The 104 thousand acres i got my booner on, the rancher passed 4 mo later. I had another booner scoped out. That was nanaged to take 14 deer a year. 40,000 acres west of Andrews. Primo blue quail, dove coyotes, a few deer. Old mm an had my buddy anfd his sil running it and with dementia he forgot to pay the lease. Oil co didnt want to pay damages for surface on it anyway. Adios after 30 years. 10, 000 acres on Independance Creek with 500 year old live oaks to sit in with a bow and white tails to 160 inches near Pecos R in remote, rough canyon country. Guys dad died and he married a blonde city slicker who wanted him to quit being one of Texass best ER drs and see the world. Spring fed lakes with bassx and rainbows and catfish where you could see spearheads 12c eet deep in the crystal clear water. I could go on but im starting to feel ill.
I’ve hunted public land in Texas, it’s scary as hell.
Same in Louisiana, should have a good life insurance policy. The few times I hunted public land in Louisiana, there was quite a bit shooting well before daylight. You just “hunker down”, and hope you don’t slow down a round! memtb
SOB, just have to “hunker down” bullets flying? You guys are FOS.
As I said before.... you haven't got a clue. What they said about hunting public land in Louisiana is correct. I wish it wasn't, but it is.
This happened many years ago. Was hunting public land for deer where you had to check in each morning and out when you left. Couldn't stay the night. Was in line the next morning, waiting to check in and two fellows in front of me were talking. One asked the other if he saw anything the day before and the fellow answered, " I didn't see anything, but I did get a couple of sound shots. I know it was deer in the brush, but when I checked, I hadn't hit anything." The fellow behind me heard the conversation too. We both left. That was the last time I hunted on public land, in Louisiana.
Nope. Never had one and never will. I can’t see spending thousands on a lease and the required equipment for a chance at sitting in a stand and shooting a deer or feral pig. I just don’t like deer or feral pigs enough to spend that kind of money. Everyone is different and their motivations are different. I like the wilderness and the solitude of the high mountains, I like knowing that I could <theoretically> take off on foot and walk, hike and climb for weeks without crossing a fence or ever seeing private property. In this state and with the proper tags I can hunt 3 species of deer, elk, moose, 2 types of sheep, goats, and a myriad of small game and birds including pheasant 3 types of grouse, Hungarian partridge, quail, ducks, geese, etc. I’ve almost completed my North American deer slam with only a Coues deer left to complete it.....that’ll take some travel since there ain’t no Coues deer here. 😁 All of that is no more than a 4 hour drive from my front door and there’s more public land than I could cover in 10 lifetimes.
For some people hunting is about the camaraderie, for others it’s about success, for me it’s about the solitude of being in the mountains and the experiences that few will get the privilege of having.
To each his own and we all have the limitations of time, money, family, health, etc.
To the OP....I hope you can secure another good lease and continue to hunt and enjoy the companionship of great company. 👍
Nope. Never had one and never will. I can’t see spending thousands on a lease and the required equipment for a chance at sitting in a stand and shooting a deer or feral pig. I just don’t like deer or feral pigs enough to spend that kind of money. Everyone is different and their motivations are different. I like the wilderness and the solitude of the high mountains, I like knowing that I could <theoretically> take off on foot and walk, hike and climb for weeks without crossing a fence or ever seeing private property. In this state and with the proper tags I can hunt 3 species of deer, elk, moose, 2 types of sheep, goats, and a myriad of small game and birds including pheasant 3 types of grouse, Hungarian partridge, quail, ducks, geese, etc. I’ve almost completed my North American deer slam with only a Coues deer left to complete it.....that’ll take some travel since there ain’t no Coues deer here. 😁 All of that is no more than a 4 hour drive from my front door and there’s more public land than I could cover in 10 lifetimes.
For some people hunting is about the camaraderie, for others it’s about success, for me it’s about the solitude of being in the mountains and the experiences that few will get the privilege of having.
To each his own and we all have the limitations of time, money, family, health, etc.
To the OP....I hope you can secure another good lease and continue to hunt and enjoy the companionship of great company. 👍
I think that many of you don’t quite understand lease hunting. There are a few as described, but for many it’s hunting ....just like public land. Not high fenced, the only fencing “may” be a four strand barbed wire. Often the lessors are obligated to help maintain the property.... an old farm house, fencing, etc. For many, it’s anything but a “ canned hunt”! memtb
Bullshyt. There ain't no feeders, food plots, elevated blinds or "managed' trophy bucks on public land and atv's are not allowed. If you lease guys want us to think you really hunt, you aught to at least keep the feeders and blinds out of sight when you take your hero shots with youir grain fed "trophies".
As I stated.....not all leases are operated that way. As far as the 4 wheelers....most of the west has plenty of two-tracks that are used by hunters. I’ve lived in both places, so...I’m fairly well versed in both. However, I will reiterate, to those that suffer from comprehension deficiencies, “not” all leases are operated as you seem to believe! memtb
I think that many of you don’t quite understand lease hunting. There are a few as described, but for many it’s hunting ....just like public land. Not high fenced, the only fencing “may” be a four strand barbed wire. Often the lessors are obligated to help maintain the property.... an old farm house, fencing, etc. For many, it’s anything but a “ canned hunt”! memtb
I've never had to hunt private land but that's how I always pictured lease hunting. I'd say I'm surprised to see that it's caused such a brew-ha-ha but this is the 'fire'.
Nope. Never had one and never will. I can’t see spending thousands on a lease and the required equipment for a chance at sitting in a stand and shooting a deer or feral pig. I just don’t like deer or feral pigs enough to spend that kind of money. Everyone is different and their motivations are different. I like the wilderness and the solitude of the high mountains, I like knowing that I could <theoretically> take off on foot and walk, hike and climb for weeks without crossing a fence or ever seeing private property. In this state and with the proper tags I can hunt 3 species of deer, elk, moose, 2 types of sheep, goats, and a myriad of small game and birds including pheasant 3 types of grouse, Hungarian partridge, quail, ducks, geese, etc. I’ve almost completed my North American deer slam with only a Coues deer left to complete it.....that’ll take some travel since there ain’t no Coues deer here. 😁 All of that is no more than a 4 hour drive from my front door and there’s more public land than I could cover in 10 lifetimes.
For some people hunting is about the camaraderie, for others it’s about success, for me it’s about the solitude of being in the mountains and the experiences that few will get the privilege of having.
To each his own and we all have the limitations of time, money, family, health, etc.
To the OP....I hope you can secure another good lease and continue to hunt and enjoy the companionship of great company. 👍
That kind of hunting really sounds great, but where I live, its just not gonna happen. Not enough public land is the main reason. I cant speak for others, but the most I ever spent was $500/yr for a lease and it was on the old Patmos Plantation. I know that probably doesn't mean anything to you, but back in the day, it was recognized in several hunting magazines as one of the best places in the US for deer hunting. Most of the time, I've paid $250-$350/ yr to hunt. The most I ever had to drive was 30 miles or so and most of the time it was 10 miles or less from my house to the lease. We never camped out to hunt or had a hunting camp.... we spent the night at home.
I have got a question for you. What are you gonna do when you get older, or God forbid hurt, and not able to navigate the mountains or the walking necessary to bird hunt? Give up hunting? Enjoy it while you can.
Ive lost more places to hunt than you could ever imagine. I mean huge multi ten thousand to 200 thousand acre places to hunt tgat you probably couldnt pay to get permission to hunt on.
Rancher dies and kids sell. Unreal.
The 104 thousand acres i got my booner on, the rancher passed 4 mo later. I had another booner scoped out. That was nanaged to take 14 deer a year. 40,000 acres west of Andrews. Primo blue quail, dove coyotes, a few deer. Old mm an had my buddy anfd his sil running it and with dementia he forgot to pay the lease. Oil co didnt want to pay damages for surface on it anyway. Adios after 30 years. 10, 000 acres on Independance Creek with 500 year old live oaks to sit in with a bow and white tails to 160 inches near Pecos R in remote, rough canyon country. Guys dad died and he married a blonde city slicker who wanted him to quit being one of Texass best ER drs and see the world. Spring fed lakes with bassx and rainbows and catfish where you could see spearheads 12c eet deep in the crystal clear water. I could go on but im starting to feel ill.
I don’t feel sorry for you.
As you well know, ive been blessed. Got you to trail one for me didnt He?
Ive lost more places to hunt than you could ever imagine. I mean huge multi ten thousand to 200 thousand acre places to hunt tgat you probably couldnt pay to get permission to hunt on.
Rancher dies and kids sell. Unreal.
The 104 thousand acres i got my booner on, the rancher passed 4 mo later. I had another booner scoped out. That was nanaged to take 14 deer a year. 40,000 acres west of Andrews. Primo blue quail, dove coyotes, a few deer. Old mm an had my buddy anfd his sil running it and with dementia he forgot to pay the lease. Oil co didnt want to pay damages for surface on it anyway. Adios after 30 years. 10, 000 acres on Independance Creek with 500 year old live oaks to sit in with a bow and white tails to 160 inches near Pecos R in remote, rough canyon country. Guys dad died and he married a blonde city slicker who wanted him to quit being one of Texass best ER drs and see the world. Spring fed lakes with bassx and rainbows and catfish where you could see spearheads 12c eet deep in the crystal clear water. I could go on but im starting to feel ill.
I don’t feel sorry for you.
As you well know, ive been blessed. Got you to trail one for me didnt He?
All of that hassle is why I quit leases years ago. It’s much easier to pay for a guided hunt. I get fed, waited on & don’t have to get my hands messy.
Never did that, but I have found a place about an hour away that has trophy deer only hunts with very limited hunter numbers. Not cheap, but nothing like Texas or one of the big-buck states. Will likely try it in the next few years. Ain't getting any younger, and dragging a deer for a mile or so and throwing it in the trunk gets tougher every year.
In the meantime, we have lots of public land here. Took two deer with a crossbow last season about 20 minutes fom home, and passed on a few meat deer during the rifle season. It's very unlikely that I'll ever see a big buck there, let alone shoot one, but except for weekends and the rifle opener, not that many people hunt there, so it's practically all mine a lot of the time.
Nope. Never had one and never will. I can’t see spending thousands on a lease and the required equipment for a chance at sitting in a stand and shooting a deer or feral pig. I just don’t like deer or feral pigs enough to spend that kind of money. Everyone is different and their motivations are different. I like the wilderness and the solitude of the high mountains, I like knowing that I could <theoretically> take off on foot and walk, hike and climb for weeks without crossing a fence or ever seeing private property. In this state and with the proper tags I can hunt 3 species of deer, elk, moose, 2 types of sheep, goats, and a myriad of small game and birds including pheasant 3 types of grouse, Hungarian partridge, quail, ducks, geese, etc. I’ve almost completed my North American deer slam with only a Coues deer left to complete it.....that’ll take some travel since there ain’t no Coues deer here. 😁 All of that is no more than a 4 hour drive from my front door and there’s more public land than I could cover in 10 lifetimes.
For some people hunting is about the camaraderie, for others it’s about success, for me it’s about the solitude of being in the mountains and the experiences that few will get the privilege of having.
To each his own and we all have the limitations of time, money, family, health, etc.
To the OP....I hope you can secure another good lease and continue to hunt and enjoy the companionship of great company. 👍
Not everyone is blessed at birth with those opportunities, and many can’t or choose not to leave their place of birth. Within 4 hours of our place, we can cover most of your hunting opportunities plus....Bison, antelope, wolves, and grizzlies ( though stopped by liberal judges), and lions. I was fortunate to get a job 1800 miles from my birthplace, and with some sacrifices....provided myself with the same opportunities that some are born with!
We all try to make the best of what opportunities we are presented with. Different doesn’t make it wrong.....just different! memtb
Oldman3....Your question is a fair question and certainly one I’ve considered. As I stated in my post, limitations as far as health, etc are a good reason for one to adapt to a different style of hunting. Disabled hunters here are allowed special concessions as far as access and modes of transportation allowed so even guys that are severely disabled are still able to hunt, albeit not in the manner I described earlier. I’ve got a place up north and could boat into areas virtually untouched and hunt from the beaches (not the boat) during the right times. There’s a lot of options and I couldn’t address them all here but if I was forced to lease and hunt from a stand over a feeder I’d probably just fish full time and let my boys do the heavy lifting. 😁. That day will come eventually and I’ll have to cross that bridge when the time comes. Everyone has to decide for themselves when it’s time to hang up the backpack and boots. I certainly support the adaptations that allow disabled hunters to continue to pursue their passion and have the utmost respect for those that refuse to quit.
I am not passing judgment on anyone that has to lease ground for any number of reasons. I suppose if I wasn’t spoiled by the wilderness I’d be happy to hunt in any way that was needed to.
For you know it alls about hunting private land AND PAYING FOR THE PRIVILIGE , what in hell makes you think we can’t, or don’t, hunt just like you ? Difference is that I don’t have to apply for a particular section and hope I get drawn and keep doing it year after year to get enough points. And I can go and scout anytime it suits me.
And the game is wary since they don’t enjoy ten months out of the year with no humans around. And if I let a buck walk, there’s not a guy a half mile away that’s gonna kill him.
There’s no rule that says you have to put up corn feeders. I killed more deer before they became common than I have since. I don’t own a four wheeler and never have.
Y’all think you’re building yourself up by tearing someone else down.
Oldman3....Your question is a fair question and certainly one I’ve considered. As I stated in my post, limitations as far as health, etc are a good reason for one to adapt to a different style of hunting. Disabled hunters here are allowed special concessions as far as access and modes of transportation allowed so even guys that are severely disabled are still able to hunt, albeit not in the manner I described earlier. I’ve got a place up north and could boat into areas virtually untouched and hunt from the beaches (not the boat) during the right times. There’s a lot of options and I couldn’t address them all here but if I was forced to lease and hunt from a stand over a feeder I’d probably just fish full time and let my boys do the heavy lifting. 😁. That day will come eventually and I’ll have to cross that bridge when the time comes. Everyone has to decide for themselves when it’s time to hang up the backpack and boots. I certainly support the adaptations that allow disabled hunters to continue to pursue their passion and have the utmost respect for those that refuse to quit.
I am not passing judgment on anyone that has to lease ground for any number of reasons. I suppose if I wasn’t spoiled by the wilderness I’d be happy to hunt in any way that was needed to.
Several people have given the impression that every lease hunter sets in a box stand over a feeder. That's not entirely correct. I'm sure lots of people do, but lots of people dont. I have a feeder on my own property and I feed the deer and yes, there is a stand 175 yds from the feeder that I take pics from. I also will let young kids take their first deer from this stand, mostly nieces and nephews. One deer only and then you have to hunt like the rest of us. That is the only stationary stand that I own. I have 1 ladder stand, 1 loc-on stand, and 6 climbing stands. I also use a pirogue to get into the bottoms where its too far for the road hunters to walk. Spending the day in the bottom is about as good as it gets.
Just because you hunt a lease doesn't mean you dont have to hunt. I'm not sure I'd be very good at setting on a mountain side, looking thru a spotting scope, trying to spot deer or whatever over a big area.... never tried it. But put me in the woods, where you cant see 100 yds in any direction, pick out the best place(s) to hunt in 5000 acres, and then your in my kind of hunting. A few yds one way or the other can be the difference in being successful or not. There isn't any 500 or 400 or 300 yd shots, very few 200 yd shots, and most shots are 100 yd or less. You have to get up close, learn to stalk, be quiet, use the wind, etc. Not saying its any harder than the kind of hunting you do, just different.
Getting old or hurt really hampers the hunting. I'm both, but getting in the pirogue and paddling a couple miles will get me away from everyone. Then climbing a stand and setting there while waiting for a deer or hog is the way I do it, but be sure you're in a good place or you're wasting your time.
I wish I had had the opportunity to try your kind of hunting when I was younger. I know it's very different from what I do and I'm guessing its a lot of fun.
Lost a great duck and goose lease when the owner died and his SIL booted everybody off. Never found one as good as the place we lost but if you don't own it then sooner or later it will be gone.
Nope. No deep state traitor who would sell us out for billions.
He just cant see a pussy grabber in the WH.
Imho, he has his requirements and accepts no less.
I accept that God changed Saul to Paul and that God used the heathen King Cyrus and God has changed Trump from a pussy grabbing Clinton pal dimocrap into a nation loving leader and believer. There are scriptures referring to the same metamorphosis but i cant find them now.
Can’t remember gut shooting a doe...but I do recall gut shooting a little bull elk, that I jumped in the timber. Wasn’t my proudest moment, required a second shot. For quite a few years I hunted elk, like I hunted deer in Louisiana...the thicker the timber the better. No feeders, no stands, no fences, and on foot....a little different than your preconceived concept of lease hunting. Just like hunting in the west, not all hunting is the same! Of course, you already knew that! memtb
Fella, you make it a point to show your ass here everyday. The same as Leroy and Paddler. Figured you turned in your guns, like a good lil commie.
Fellow let me tell you something. I know Gene (Curdog to you) and he is a good man. He'll give you the shirt off his back, if you needed it and he has the right to his beliefs, just as you do.
Gene is a hell of a lot smarter and more interesting than you think you are. I proved that earlier tonight..... remember?
Partsman, I read about guided hunts in Canada. Do the guides have to hunt public land or do they lease up the land and sell the hunts? Are guides allowed to lease public land? Is crown land and public land the same thing? Are you allowed to hunt on private land without permission?
How much do decent leases run? How many others share it?
I cant answer for others. I know of a place where doctors and lawyers out of Baton Rouge paid $40/acre and that was 20 yrs ago. The most I ever paid was $500/yr for approx 1500 acres and there were 10 of us in the lease. Most leases I have belong to were in the $250 to $350 range and they varied from 3000-5000 acres. There were 20-25 hunters in those leases. The rule of thumb around here is no more than 1 hunter per 100 acres of lease. More acres per hunter is better, but the price per hunter goes up. We lease timber company land and pay an amount equal to the taxes. We know them and they know we wont litter or damage the trees. Been leasing from them for 30 yrs.
Actually my Dad belongs to the lease and I use to. Now that I've moved back to this part of the state, I plan to get back into the club. Last year it was $350, about 20 hunters, and about 4000 acres. The lease is 10 minutes from the house.
Lots of places they pay a lot more, or so I've heard.
Added: Different leases have different rules. Some are good and some aren't. The rules and hunters can make the lease/club a good or bad one. I stayed 1 year in one club.... no rules and some of the fellows wanted to drink and hunt at the same time. Not for me. Some clubs only shoot certain size deer, or you must take a doe, or just one buck, the rules are endless, but being a member, you usually have a say. I wouldn't pay my money if I couldn't have a say. My idea may get voted down, but I had my say.
We can shoot one good buck and one cull buck, also one doe on the lease I’m still on. The lease is 2000.00 each year. Come to think of it, half is due soon.
Whether or not you have a lease, feeder and stand or hunt open ground I wish you all the best success in your pursuits.
Oldman3, Thanks for your reply and you’re right in that not every lease is hunted the same way. I think between the posts here and a lot of hunting type TV shows that’s the impression that’s reinforced. Good luck to you any way you choose to hunt! 👍
PS.....I take disabled hunters out as their “designated helper” to do the heavy lifting if needed. Usually their attitude is like mine, it’s just a blessing to be out there. I’d rather people get to enjoy what makes them happy rather than sit home in protest.
Oldman3, I'm bettin' you have a Ron Chapman pirogue. Am I correct?
hanco, sorry you lost your lease. BTDT. It sucks. Glad to hear that at least you have another.
Some folks that are lucky enough to live where they can hunt public land sure seem to think that opportunity somehow makes them a superior person. And they sure are judgemental too. And they sure seem to think they know how other people do things, not to mention how well these people they have never laid eyes on can or cannot shoot.
Others with the same fortunate circumstances seem to appreciate what they have and leave it at that.
Some folks that are lucky enough to live where they can hunt public land sure seem to think that opportunity somehow makes them a superior person. And they sure are judgemental too. And they sure seem to think they know how other people do things, not to mention how well these people they have never laid eyes on can or cannot shoot.
Others with the same fortunate circumstances seem to appreciate what they have and leave it at that.
99% broke dic public land hunter on 24hrfire’ (Have severe class envy) vs. lease hunter on fire’ (financially successful in life)
It’s amazing how making something out of your life allows you to enjoy life…until you have to listen to people who pissed their lives away, and aren’t financially able to enjoy life.
You really know you’re successful and have made it to the top in life when you can afford to have a 500 acre deer lease in Texas. 😂😂
Public land hunting ain’t necessarily cheap 😉. Horses, flight services, good equipment doesn’t come cheap. I think you have a false image of hunting our own land.
You really know you’re successful and have made it to the top in life when you can afford to have a 500 acre deer lease in Texas. 😂😂
Last deer lease I hunted in Texas was 16 sections. You couldn't walk hunt it all...even in one season. It was in the mountains of *WEST* Texas.
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Public land hunting ain’t necessarily cheap 😉. Horses, flight services, good equipment doesn’t come cheap. I think you have a false image of hunting our own land.
99% of these broke dic public land hunters here on the fire wouldn't know the first thing about handling a horse...let alone own a saddle blanket.
As far as equipment....does it take some kind of "special" equipment to hunt public land?
Do I need a special type of rifle, binoculars, backpack, clothing, cooking gear, sleeping bag...toilet paper...to hunt "public land"...or do I need to just get on a public forum on the internet, and create some freaking separate type of narcissistic alien who is "qualified" to hunt "public land"?
Tell me...what's the difference in walking 16 sections of leased land in 13* F in the West Texas mountains during the rut in December vs. a person walking "public Land"?
Tell me...what's the difference in me walking thousands of acres in Colorado at 8500+ elev. elk hunting (guiding or self-guided) on a "lease" vs. walking "public land" in Colorado elk hunting?
I'll tell you the "difference".......it's the difference between mentally sick people getting on the freaking internet in a public forum making a complete bubbling azz out of them selves and degrading someone attempting to enjoy the outdoors versus a normal mentally stable person getting on the internet in a public forum conversing with other mentally stable people and "enjoying" other's stories about "enjoying" the outdoors.
Obviously you missed the "99%" remark.
I thought you were in the 1% who wouldn't make an azz out of their self, based on your previous postings on here.
Nope. Never had one and never will. I can’t see spending thousands on a lease and the required equipment for a chance at sitting in a stand and shooting a deer or feral pig. I just don’t like deer or feral pigs enough to spend that kind of money. Everyone is different and their motivations are different. I like the wilderness and the solitude of the high mountains, I like knowing that I could <theoretically> take off on foot and walk, hike and climb for weeks without crossing a fence or ever seeing private property. In this state and with the proper tags I can hunt 3 species of deer, elk, moose, 2 types of sheep, goats, and a myriad of small game and birds including pheasant 3 types of grouse, Hungarian partridge, quail, ducks, geese, etc. I’ve almost completed my North American deer slam with only a Coues deer left to complete it.....that’ll take some travel since there ain’t no Coues deer here. 😁 All of that is no more than a 4 hour drive from my front door and there’s more public land than I could cover in 10 lifetimes.
For some people hunting is about the camaraderie, for others it’s about success, for me it’s about the solitude of being in the mountains and the experiences that few will get the privilege of having.
To each his own and we all have the limitations of time, money, family, health, etc.
To the OP....I hope you can secure another good lease and continue to hunt and enjoy the companionship of great company. 👍
Good post....
We're all hunters here.... hence I find the arguing of where one has available to hunt a little ridiculous. let the anti hunters argue.... not us...
I've never hunted leased land...
I've hunted on military reservations in my youth. Family farms when I got a little older.
Northern Wisconsin and Northern MN, forestland, that was either belonging to Paper companies or the State Forests.
Public land in Montana, Washington and here in Oregon...kinda why I moved to Oregon in 1995, and endure the liberal insanity out of Potlandia....
I get permission to shoot sage rats on private ranches, but that has cost me nothing. Treat folks property with respect, and its never been a problem.
I've learned if you want to avoid, dumbasses on public land, just skip the first few opening days of the season.. most of them tire if they don't see anything the first two days or so...they usually are the types that a shot on the paper at 50 yds and they think they are zeroed... and a box of ammo lasts them 8 to 10 yrs.... and if they do shoot anything, they swear it was taken at 500 yds...not the 50 yds it really was...
Fella, you make it a point to show your ass here everyday. The same as Leroy and Paddler. Figured you turned in your guns, like a good lil commie.
Fellow let me tell you something. I know Gene (Curdog to you) and he is a good man. He'll give you the shirt off his back, if you needed it and he has the right to his beliefs, just as you do.
Gene is a hell of a lot smarter and more interesting than you think you are. I proved that earlier tonight..... remember?
I have no reason to dislike Sand Billy and he reflects his experiences of where he hunts...
but I hate to see good folks argue between each other...
all I can add to this, is that anyone who has had the pleasure of meeting and getting to know either Gene or Randy ( much less both of them) the world is full of great guys like either one of them.. but I can also personally say, knowing them both... you'll never find anyone better than either gentlemen...
actually I hold both in high enough esteem, I'm proud that they even give someone like me the time of day. which they gladly do... and as said, Gene will give you the shirt off his back if you need it... and so will Randy....
and neither one is the type to cast the first stone in a disagreement.
Public land here is mostly in the piney woods of east Texas. During deer season a hunter will be behind every tree. It isn’t safe to be in the woods. I’m sure it’s better in other states. The country is more open, less people to run into.
I’ve hunted public land in Texas, it’s scary as hell.
Same in Louisiana, should have a good life insurance policy. The few times I hunted public land in Louisiana, there was quite a bit shooting well before daylight. You just “hunker down”, and hope you don’t slow down a round! memtb
The only time I've ever been actually shot at while hunting, was on public lands. That's why I use a climber on public lands.
I don't particularly care for the way this whole pay-to-play thing has evolved in the past few decades but depending on locale, many folks aren't afforded a lot of options. If one looks at it through a truly objective lens, it's not a hell of a lot different than the person renting a home/apartment/commercial building because they either can't/won't justify the expense of ownership.
Interesting takes above from various folks here. Some of the same folks that vehemently oppose leasing land will echo "no free lunch" in other topics/discussions.
I've never leased any land to hunt on. Growing up I was fortunate to have had family that owned a lot of land that I could hunt on, in addition to the neighbors who let me hunt. As I got older, I acquired land of my own, and currently have 300 acres of pretty fair deer and turkey hunting. My in-laws have several thousand acres that I can hunt on if I wanted to, but I usually don't ask as they have some grandkids that sometimes hunt. Also, I have a couple of friends that let me hunt coyotes on their farms.
Having said that.......the best deer and turkey hunting in my locale is a few miles north of me, and if I could lease a farm there, and didn't have to pay an arm and a leg, I would. But, hunting land there is a hot commodity, with out of staters paying huge prices to lease it. Come deer season here in my part of Kentucky, you see more trucks with Georgia and Florida plates on them, as you do in state plates.
Hanco, sorry to hear that. Been meaning to PM you and see exactly how you build your hog pen trap gates. I need to set one up on the family farm in Nacogdoches.last year we had a sounder with at least 30 pigs in it. Any chance of buying one off of you since ya got to move everything out from Woodville?
I've paid to hunt before, it just wasn't cash money. I've moved hay bales, mended fences, picked up trash and junk left by trespassing hunters, and helped paint a barn, at different times, and places, in exchange for hunting privileges. Either way, it is an exchange of value for the land owner. My biggest issue with leases, is that so many places get closed off from my type of value exchange due to cash is king, wallet hunters. More places get lost to the deapest pockets every year. I've seen company lease the Rights for thier employees only, or buy up the rights around the property they are hunting, to prevent competition from getting THIER deer. I don't like this trend.
No matter where you hunt, and by what legal methods you chose to use, I wish you well this hunting season, gentlemen.
I’ve hunted public land in Texas, it’s scary as hell.
Same in Louisiana, should have a good life insurance policy. The few times I hunted public land in Louisiana, there was quite a bit shooting well before daylight. You just “hunker down”, and hope you don’t slow down a round! memtb
The only time I've ever been actually shot at while hunting, was on public lands. That's why I use a climber on public lands.
In my post I wasn’t shot at, merely shots fired prior to daylight...“any” daylight. I was in my tree stand, well before light, and when the shots were fired....I got rather intimate with the tree, not knowing which direction the shots were fired! Unlikely to be hit, but you pucker-up, none the less! memtb
I’ve hunted public land in Texas, it’s scary as hell.
Same in Louisiana, should have a good life insurance policy. The few times I hunted public land in Louisiana, there was quite a bit shooting well before daylight. You just “hunker down”, and hope you don’t slow down a round! memtb
The only time I've ever been actually shot at while hunting, was on public lands. That's why I use a climber on public lands.
In my post I wasn’t shot at, merely shots fired prior to daylight...“any” daylight. I was in my tree stand, well before light, and when the shots were fired....I got rather intimate with the tree, not knowing which direction the shots were fired! Unlikely to be hit, but you pucker-up, none the less! memtb
I was on the ground, bow hunting during gun season (legal). Idiot shot at movement, I think. Hit a large tree behind me.
Oldman3, I'm bettin' you have a Ron Chapman pirogue. Am I correct?
GunDoc7, I really dont know what brand one of the pirogue's is. It was my wife's grandfathers and he gave it to her, cause she liked to fish. it's fiberglass and has been reworked so many times that it now weighs a ton. It's got to be 50 yrs old or older, but its a Ferrari. Easiest paddling I've ever done.
My old one is also fiberglass, weighs 2 tons, and is like paddling a boxcar. I usually hook a trolling motor to it. It's almost 50 yrs old. I forget the brand name, but it was made in Marshall, Tx.
After reading this whole thread, the only conclusion that I can come to is: If youre one of those fortunate ones that actually gets paid for your ptsd, you probably should avoid hunting public land.
1.lmao at "bullets whizzing thru the air" 2.lmao at "hitting the deck every time i hear a rifle shot"
Note* how bout not being a 'walk-around-all-day-Elmer-Fudd' and extending some goddamm hunter courtesy to others that may be out there before you decided to stroll in at 9 fugging AM after your foray to the waffle house first.
One way to cure the problem of large timber companies charging confiscatory rates for hunting rights would be to institute substantial progressive property taxes on land that go up as acreage holdings increase. In Louisiana privately held companies own hundreds of thousands of acres of timber and are busy trying to squeeze smaller land owners out by keeping the price of timber sales on small tracts down and constantly badgering heirs to sell their shares so they can file legal actions to force out the other owners. I am lucky enough to hold 300 acres in my ownership which gives us plenty of whitetail deer and hog hunting. I get form letters all the time from the companies wanting to buy land or undivided interest in land. My friends that lease have to face all kind of restrictions along with continual rises in lease rent. Income tax is progressive and maybe land tax should be also. I see families pushed off their places and very little decent land is for sale to individuals as the big companies have lawyers constantly in courthouses doing title searches and driving wedges in property ownership parcels. The leases around here started out pretty cheap but now they are outlandish. I have one 100 acre place that a hunter begged me to let him have for $1000 a year cash under the table just so he could hunt in a place that was close enough he could sleep in his own house. Bottom line is the big companies block most people from acquiring a small (100-300 acres) piece of land and they depress the timber value of the smaller individual landowner.
Oldman3, I never thought of Chapman boats as fancy, just nicely built. I had one for a while, but it wasn't suited to the intended use. I wanted to fish the flats of the Texas coast, and it caught too much wind. A flat, sit on top kayak worked better for that. But I was impressed with the boat and the people a Chapman's. Just good people.
Lease hunting does have some advantages. You know who is on the land. Most hunting accidents in Texas involve people falling from stands, not getting shot. If they do get shot, it is usually due to unsafe "administrative" gun handling as opposed to the unsafe gun handling of getting shot by someone you don't know. You can manage the game so that inferior bucks are removed early in life and the better bucks have time to grow up. This is not to say they are tame or managed like cattle, only that some rules are followed about what you shoot. (That said, I was on a lease for three years where you were allowed only one "good" buck a year. I was always holding out for a taxidermy worthy buck. I passed up a number of bucks over the years that would have been great in a year or two, but were good enough for other hunters at the time. I'd be saying "Nice deer" while thinking "$h!t, I passed on him two weeks ago. Actually had the crosshairs right where they belonged and my thumb on the safety. Oh well. Someday." But those other guys were following the rules, so it was what it was. I never got that taxidermy buck, but I did shoot plenty of deer off the place. Whining over.)
And of course there are disadvantages and opportunities for abuse. One of the reasons people hunt from stands is that you need to know where people are, or at least you ought to know. If you have five people hunting 1000 acres, it is not all that productive or safe if all are moving about the property. In the western US, where it is often easy to get in a spot and see 1000 acres, or sometimes much more, the concept of a hunter per 200 acres, sometimes less, seems ludicrous. Much depends on the size of the place, the number of hunters, number of hunters that day, fences, other surrounding properties (and how those properties are or are not hunted), just all manner of things. There are sometimes disadvantages you must work around, and sometimes you are pretty much forced to do things you'd rather not do. Not illegal things, but forced to hunt in ways you'd avoid if you could.
There are some great thoughts on this thread. But there are also some poorly thought out judgemental comments (or maybe carefully thought out comments from some overly judgemental aholes.) People who are lucky enough to have access to lots of land, be it public, due to relatives, due to good relationships with the landowners, or due to being wealthy enough to lease it or even own it, aren't "superior" people. They just happen to have, for whatever reason, great circumstances.
Everyone can spin this however they want based on their own biases and what they are used to. You have to remember that neither "public land" nor "leasing" is generic. Either can be great or crappy depending on.....wait for it.......the conditions WHERE YOU LIVE!
I live in a state with a small amount of public land. I love to hunt, I don't own land yet, so I exercise the options I have. I have a lease that I've been on for 17 years now.
It is an hour and a half from my house. No, I can't walk out my back door and go hunting (believe me, I'd love to be able to). But, on a Friday after work, I can be at a place every weekend of the year if I choose to be, hunting deer for 3.5 months of the year, quail for 4 months and hogs and varmints year round. No funky seasons or draws to worry about. I can spend time with my boys and a couple of great friends just messing around. I can hunt from a blind. I can spot and stalk. I can wonder around and hike a bit. Nothing like I can do on wide open public land, but I can do it at will, which I can't on public land in my area.
So, you self righteous asses that crow "if you can't hunt public land, you're not a hunter and you suck and blah blah blah. Well, that's just pathetic. Don't we have enough other things to worry about than tearing each other down for working with what we have available to us that allows us to enjoy the outdoors?
By the way, I have also hunted public land in SW CO for the last 17 years for elk, bear and deer. All do it yourself, no guides. So yes, that is an outstanding opportunity that I take advantage of for 10 days every year. I wish I could do it on the same schedule that I can with my lease. But, it's not possible.
I wish the best to all who are enjoying the outdoors in solitude, with friends and/or family, on public, private or whatever land they can do it on. Fact is, they're out there.
Here is a website that explains a lot of what this thread is about. Note the # of acres of public land in the states and the # of acres per person to hunt. I realize that not everyone hunts, but by using the same measuring stick for each state, it's about as accurate as we're gonna get.
Tell me...what's the difference in walking 16 sections of leased land in 13* F in the West Texas mountains during the rut in December vs. a person walking "public Land"?
I don't have to pay thousands a year to do it, and I'm not confined to where I have to hunt...and I'm far from a broke dick and unsuccessful. Your arrogance is glaring and imbecilic. Is that a Texas thing? I don't think so. Some of my best friends here are Texans and have Class.
I'm surprised TX & LA DNRs don't buy some land. Iowa just opened up a new purchase, Oxford Junction. I think they are constantly on the lookout/in the process of acquiring new land.
It was good reading this thread and to know I am not alone. Dad sold our 526 acres in Woodville MS this past August, for 1/2 price too, he got old quick, started making poor decisions and its gone! Can't tell that man anything. Had that land since 1991. The deer hunting the last 5 years was just the best ever, we were killing big bucks.
I still have my 40 acres in the swamp and I will still kill 1-4 deer a year, But there are no big rack bucks like MS had. I think about losing MS everyday. 30 years of memories that are kinda painful now.
I am looking for a lease but in Louisiana, it's hard to find a decent spot period - not even talking about the money yet, just find a good spot if you can....
Public land in Louisiana IS A JOKE and yes bullets whizing by your head... BTDT... in the Atchafalaya Basin and on LA WMA's - horrible like described above
Fella, you make it a point to show your ass here everyday. The same as Leroy and Paddler. Figured you turned in your guns, like a good lil commie.
Fellow let me tell you something. I know Gene (Curdog to you) and he is a good man. He'll give you the shirt off his back, if you needed it and he has the right to his beliefs, just as you do.
Gene is a hell of a lot smarter and more interesting than you think you are. I proved that earlier tonight..... remember?
I’m obliged for the comments, Randy, but a loudmouth like Sandbilly is not worth a response.
My parents sold all of the old dairy, most to my sister and brother in-law but the woods across the road where I hunted was sold outside the family. So I know the feeling . My son and I leased some land from a different BIL for 1000$. I'm not sure how many acres about a 150 I think.
I only own a large yard a long deep 27.4 acres at my house. I've shot 1 buck in 10 years and I should have let him walk.
I had good luck today. The guy that is taking over half of that lease bought my bunk house, feeders, stands, and pig pen today. I sold it for less than what it was worth, (2000.00) but would have spent 600.00 moving all that stuff. In a way I’m up 4800 bucks, 2000 today for cabin etc, 1100 due for lease, 1200.00 corn through December, 500 to plant oats. More if you count fuel. I’ll miss that lease and a few of the guys, but would have to give up one of my leases if I retire if I retire anyway.
Yep, I joined that club this year too. We hunted on this great place in llano County and got along great with the rancher. Well, he got sick and almost died, and had to hand the running of the ranch over to his son. We never had the same kind of interaction with the son but he left us alone to do our thing for two years. Well this year he's decided he thinks he can make more money selling day hunts for aoudad or something. I don't think that will turn out the way he wants, but that's neither her nor there. I'm left looking for a new place for my family to hunt. It hurts to loose that place. It was beautiful and had lots of deer and pigs.
Yep, I joined that club this year too. We hunted on this great place in llano County and got along great with the rancher. Well, he got sick and almost died, and had to hand the running of the ranch over to his son. We never had the same kind of interaction with the son but he left us alone to do our thing for two years. Well this year he's decided he thinks he can make more money selling day hunts for aoudad or something. I don't think that will turn out the way he wants, but that's neither her nor there. I'm left looking for a new place for my family to hunt. It hurts to loose that place. It was beautiful and had lots of deer and pigs.
Soon there won’t be an animal left if he day hunts.
Fella, you make it a point to show your ass here everyday. The same as Leroy and Paddler. Figured you turned in your guns, like a good lil commie.
Fellow let me tell you something. I know Gene (Curdog to you) and he is a good man. He'll give you the shirt off his back, if you needed it and he has the right to his beliefs, just as you do.
Gene is a hell of a lot smarter and more interesting than you think you are. I proved that earlier tonight..... remember?
I’m obliged for the comments, Randy, but a loudmouth like Sandbilly is not worth a response.
Lol. I’ve never given you [bleep] for being a commie. You stick with that, I’ll stick with the loudmouth stuff.
I don’t remember your nut rubber proving anything about being smart.
Tell me...what's the difference in walking 16 sections of leased land in 13* F in the West Texas mountains during the rut in December vs. a person walking "public Land"?
I don't have to pay thousands a year to do it, and I'm not confined to where I have to hunt...and I'm far from a broke dick and unsuccessful. Your arrogance is glaring and imbecilic. Is that a Texas thing? I don't think so. Some of my best friends here are Texans and have Class.
luv 2safari makes a valid point here, the difference is money, not everyone has enough disposable income to pay lease fees as some have described here.
For example:
Hard working young man, wife, 2 kids, stay at home mom, kids in public school, lives in good sized city in TX/LA/other low % public land state. Grew up hunting, wants to continue. Has decent paying job. (Well, I think $20 an hour is decent, for a young person in many places )
$40000 ($20/hr job x 50 weeks a year paid x 40hrs/week) -10000 (taxes) $30000 -12000 (rent, you TX fellows correct me if $1k a month is a reasonable rate in a good size city in TX ) $18000 -7800 (food/supplies @ $150/wk, dude has two kids, remember) $10200 -5400 (Health insurance at about same rate my wife pays for us) $4800 -1560 (gas for commuting at $30/wk) $3240 -500 (car insurance, 1 vehicle/yr) $2740 -500 (ave car repairs/tires/oil changes/etc) $2240 -720 ( $ 60 month electricity, they live frugally, no A/C) $1520 remaining if lucky (and I didn't even add in clothes/shoes for him and family)
Hard to imagine this young man who desires to hunt will be able to do much, given his circumstances. And according to many reports, the hunting population is aging and there is a need to recruit younger folks.
If he lived in an area with ample public land and was frugal and saved his pennies, he might be able to afford a license/tag and be able to get out in the woods for a bit. It's either that or put the wife to work, get another job & spend less time with his kids, and continue to live in a mostly lease your hunting area State.
You guys back "East" are blessed with liberal bag limits on whitetail, long seasons for various weapons, hogs, somewhat milder weather in cases, but are saddled with having to find a way to afford a place to hunt. And cursed with crowds, such as they are, on what public land is available. When I hunted the Allegheny NF in PA I was amazed at the gunfire on opening day. I had been warned if I hunted to get my back up against a BIG tree, not move, and hope I didn't catch a round from the front. Friends there didn't hunt on opening day.
We folks out here in States with lots of public land have to put up with low tag numbers, deer that can be in one spot today and 10 miles away tomorrow if the migration has started, having to cover miles of land to spot an animal, either by glassing or moving and looking, in some cases wondering if something will come along and eat us or our kill, or both. But we have the benefit, at times, of not seeing another hunter if we're willing to get away from a road. And we don't have to pay what seems to us exorbitant fees to lease someone else's land.
I'm not sure what I'd do if I was stuck having to live in one of those States with little parcels of public land. I grew up out here and have always enjoyed the freedom to take a hike for miles and miles and miles should I choose. The only fences at times are grazing allotment fences, the only roads an old logging road or even a wagon road.
Good luck to you folks who have lost your leases recently. I guess be grateful you have the financial resources to look for another situation. I'd hate to be in your shoes, no matter how much game you get to harvest. I'm not lucky that way, in harvesting lots of animals, but if I can walk around the wilds of the west for a day and not see much in the way of human influence, I'm a very happy hunter.
A wise man told me that nothing is ever perfect. That statement applies to free hunting and paying for a lease too. If you own a place you have taxes, so it’s not really free either. We all do what we can to go hunting and have fun.
I never been on a lease, not even as a guest. I hunt huge chunks of public land . I am too poor to pay for land , so public it is. It is very tough hunting but is all I have. As for the lease you lost, how much was it? and you still have a place to hunt.
I lost access to a great patch of state land when the owner leased his camp to others, so I get how the OP feels.
We lease timber company land and pay an amount equal to the taxes.
Interesting. In Michigan we have CFR (Commercial Forest Reserve) land. The state gives the owner a tax break to allow the public to hunt and fish the land. The owner can limit access of wheeled vehicles and camping, but foot access is allowed.
All of that hassle is why I quit leases years ago. It’s much easier to pay for a guided hunt. I get fed, waited on & don’t have to get my hands messy.
The biggest part of our lease is cooking, getting work done, cleaning up, its a family affair, even though we are adopted into that family. Love tracking, cleaning deer, love watching our dog trailing deer.
I don't think I could every really accept being waited on hand and foot.
But thats thankfully we don't all like the same things! IT would be a boring world.
It was good reading this thread and to know I am not alone. Dad sold our 526 acres in Woodville MS this past August, for 1/2 price too, he got old quick, started making poor decisions and its gone! Can't tell that man anything. Had that land since 1991. The deer hunting the last 5 years was just the best ever, we were killing big bucks.
I still have my 40 acres in the swamp and I will still kill 1-4 deer a year, But there are no big rack bucks like MS had. I think about losing MS everyday. 30 years of memories that are kinda painful now.
I am looking for a lease but in Louisiana, it's hard to find a decent spot period - not even talking about the money yet, just find a good spot if you can....
Public land in Louisiana IS A JOKE and yes bullets whizing by your head... BTDT... in the Atchafalaya Basin and on LA WMA's - horrible like described above
I hunted Three Rivers.....twice! That’s where I was “enlighten” about those that shoot......Way before sunrise! memtb
It was good reading this thread and to know I am not alone. Dad sold our 526 acres in Woodville MS this past August, for 1/2 price too, he got old quick, started making poor decisions and its gone! Can't tell that man anything. Had that land since 1991. The deer hunting the last 5 years was just the best ever, we were killing big bucks.
I still have my 40 acres in the swamp and I will still kill 1-4 deer a year, But there are no big rack bucks like MS had. I think about losing MS everyday. 30 years of memories that are kinda painful now.
I am looking for a lease but in Louisiana, it's hard to find a decent spot period - not even talking about the money yet, just find a good spot if you can....
Public land in Louisiana IS A JOKE and yes bullets whizing by your head... BTDT... in the Atchafalaya Basin and on LA WMA's - horrible like described above
I hunted Three Rivers.....twice! That’s where I was “enlighten” about those that shoot......Way before sunrise! memtb
You don’t ever want to blow a grunt call or doe bleat at 3 rivers, red river, cocodrie or grassy lakes. Ever. Throw in Thistlewaite, too, along with west bay. Ever.
One thing is for sure...you can be an [bleep] and still hunt public land. If you are an [bleep], constantly stirring the pot, insulting people and arguing about everything, you probably won't be invited back on private property, or a lease. People like that take the fun out of the experience quickly!
Woods savvy and knowledge being passed on to another generation!!!!! Pathetic..... My daughter when she hunted with me for 3 yrs had more knowledge about whitetail deer and putting peices of the puzzle together from sign.
Than Daddy and son in this video will ever have....
Losing the place I’ve hunted that last 10 years. It’s up for sale. Buddy is 1/3 owner. 2 siblings don’t hunt. They want their money. So family gatherings are getting awkward. I don’t blame him one bit. Great while it lasted.
Time to gather stands. Boxes, feeders, troughs, etc.
Plus is it still be unsold this coming deer season. 1000 acres hard to sell in these parts.
I just like to hunt. Some. Mostly socialize. Time of the year i get see buddies from years past. Everyone is spread out now.
I’d assume kill a doe as a buck. Heck what i spend on hunting, feed amd seed i could kill a nice buck in TX prolly.
It’s the time spent in the skinning shed with a kids first deer. Or around the grill cooking first deer meat of the season. Or at the poker table that i enjoy. No trophies. Just memories.
That being said, i hunt over feeders. It’s legal.
Don’t give a chit your state says you can run down deer on the yellow line in a Buick. Rev your motors up. It’s legal.
Losing the place I’ve hunted that last 10 years. It’s up for sale. Buddy is 1/3 owner. 2 siblings don’t hunt. They want their money. So family gatherings are getting awkward. I don’t blame him one bit. Great while it lasted. Time to gather stands. Boxes, feeders, troughs, etc. Plus is it still be unsold this coming deer season. 1000 acres hard to sell in these parts.
?Why don't y'all buy the other two out? If you don't have the money maybe y'all could buy it and sell half. You can do a lot of hunting on 500 acres, and not have to worry about someone else bothering you. The 500 acres would be easier to sell than 1000.
I’ve never heard a deer stand called a shooting house before. We hunt over feeders and oat patches cause it’s legal to do so. Some stares don’t allow hunting over bait. I see more deer in the lanes I scatter corn than the under the feeder.
No baiting of any kind allowed in Virginia. You have to real careful hunting around a picked corn or bean field. Whatever is left on the ground has to be the result of "normal agricultural practices. If you're hunting around that field you better know what's out there. Game Wardens get very picky about that stuff here.
Lots of misconceptions here about leases and lease hunting. Some have politely tried to explain parts of the ins and outs involved.
Some understand and get it, some don’t and probably never will.
Some understand it just fine.
I don’t have a problem with leases, i understand it if that’s all you have.
I still don’t see the the satisfaction in sitting under bait, and pretending you didn’t something special.
I also know that’s not what all lease hunters do. But it sure is comical watching then get defensive.
Bait hunters generally take the bait..
Lmbo! I would like to see you hunt the area I grew up around in Texas without bait....Briar fortresses and thick oak and mesquite tree stands for miles...Try walking through it without making noise or getting tangled up in the briars...It's dang near impossible...There is a reason in some areas that people hunt in stands over bait...You'd never get close to a whitetail or turkey in some of the places I've hunted in Texas trying to walk and stalk...It is nothing like sitting up high out west and scoping the side of a mountain or drainage below...
I’ve never heard a deer stand called a shooting house before. We hunt over feeders and oat patches cause it’s legal to do so. Some stares don’t allow hunting over bait. I see more deer in the lanes I scatter corn than the under the feeder.
That's because statistically bait is not a real advantage, when hunting bucks, as they typically eat at night. You are more likely to see does, but the margin of success is small. Being where deer must travel between what they want and need, is more successful and reliable.
No baiting of any kind allowed in Virginia. You have to real careful hunting around a picked corn or bean field. Whatever is left on the ground has to be the result of "normal agricultural practices. If you're hunting around that field you better know what's out there. Game Wardens get very picky about that stuff here.
Yes, our poacher in residence here, (sharp things) got nailed because he moved existing spilled corn to a spot near his custom built shooting house. He did it to give his aging father an advantage. (His father would not have approved, and did not know). Problem was, he was seen doing it, and the Warden paid him a visit. He admitted it, recieved a ticket, and paid the fine. Personally, I see no difference between apples or acorns dropped in the yard by the wind, and placing them by hand. It's food a deer would look for, and seek out, so it's bait. I have no issues with bait, since I use it for fish, predators, birds, why not deer? Every scent we use to attract game, every noise we make to attract game is bait, and everytime we position ourselves to intercept game based on learned behaviors is bait, simply because we know why they are headed that direction. We are anticipating thier needs. That is also a form of bait. If nature litters my yard with apples and acorns, and I rake them over to a fence line, or into a pile, many states then call that bait, even though I have done nothing more than move what nature herself provided. And do not get me started on food plots, as being any different than any other bait. Folks spend lots of time and money to feed deer and draw them into the area, that's bait in it's simplest form. And that is hypocritical. Food in the ground vs food on the ground. No difference, yet one may be legal, and the other may not be. Without bait of some type, you might as well hunt a parking lot, because game has no reason to go there, other than some random chance. Every orchard, nut tree grove, and honeysuckle patch is bait, because it alters how game responds. Ohio allows baiting, and I do transport acorns gathered here in-city, to gravity feeders on my property. I do it more to help them get through the winter healthy, and provide another food source. But I rarely shoot a deer at the feeders, because it's rarely at the feeders that I find them.
Lots of misconceptions here about leases and lease hunting. Some have politely tried to explain parts of the ins and outs involved.
Some understand and get it, some don’t and probably never will.
Some understand it just fine.
I don’t have a problem with leases, i understand it if that’s all you have.
I still don’t see the the satisfaction in sitting under bait, and pretending you didn’t something special.
I also know that’s not what all lease hunters do. But it sure is comical watching then get defensive.
Bait hunters generally take the bait..
Lmbo! I would like to see you hunt the area I grew up around in Texas without bait....Briar fortresses and thick oak and mesquite tree stands for miles...Try walking through it without making noise or getting tangled up in the briars...It's dang near impossible...There is a reason in some areas that people hunt in stands over bait...You'd never get close to a whitetail or turkey in some of the places I've hunted in Texas trying to walk and stalk...It is nothing like sitting up high out west and scoping the side of a mountain or drainage below...
Lol. I wonder what those other guys do in thick areas where baiting is illegal? Move out west?
The idea that you need bait is pretty silly. It certainly helps though and when your state is handing out seven tags over the counter, you probably have a deer problem anyway.
Not to mention Texans are retarded and need all the help they can get.
Tell me...what's the difference in walking 16 sections of leased land in 13* F in the West Texas mountains during the rut in December vs. a person walking "public Land"?
I don't have to pay thousands a year to do it, and I'm not confined to where I have to hunt...
When you go on a safari, Mr. “luvs2safari”, you pay many thousands you hypocrite. And I’m not “confined” on 16 sections of land you clueless dolt.
Originally Posted by luv2safari
and I'm far from a broke dick and unsuccessful.
Sure looks like you’re crying about no money here:
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by wabigoon
I believe we are better off without the big bucks.
LOL...I'm finding out in a hurry and will report back to you.
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Your arrogance is glaring and imbecilic. Is that a Texas thing? I don't think so. Some of my best friends here are Texans and have Class.
It’s not arrogance when you are simply posting truth that gets girliemen’s panties in a knot.
Lmbo! I would like to see you hunt the area I grew up around in Texas without bait....Briar fortresses and thick oak and mesquite tree stands for miles...Try walking through it without making noise or getting tangled up in the briars...It's dang near impossible...There is a reason in some areas that people hunt in stands over bait...You'd never get close to a whitetail or turkey in some of the places I've hunted in Texas trying to walk and stalk...It is nothing like sitting up high out west and scoping the side of a mountain or drainage below...
Guess you've never hunted elk or blacktails in the north coast range of Oregon and Washington. Temperate rain forest with steep muddy hillsides covered with vine maple, black berries, devils club and slash. While you're hung up in a bunch of brush thankful that it's the only thing keeping you from sliding off, that's either when you see something or realize that you can't see a thing.
I'd really like to see a list of what type of hunting is completely acceptable here.
Anyone?
Jesus.
Some of you condescending pricks meed to pull your heads out of your asses pretty quick.
While I don't shoot deer out of a blind over corn, and haven't since I was a kid, I DO shoot lots of hogs that way.
I'm Goddam sure not going to condemn other hunters for how they hunt, what they hunt with, what they spend to hunt, or where they hunt.
Y'all sound like a buncha fuggin' snowflakes that want nothing more than to make their personal views the "law of the land" beciase they know SO much more than everyone else.
Better smarten the fug up, people.... Other hunters are not the enemy. Oh. Wait...
I'd really like to see a list of what type of hunting is completely acceptable here.
Anyone?
Jesus.
Some of you condescending pricks meed to pull your heads out of your asses pretty quick.
While I don't shoot deer out of a blind over corn, and haven't since I was a kid, I DO shoot lots of hogs that way.
I'm Goddam sure not going to condemn other hunters for how they hunt, what they hunt with, what they spend to hunt, or where they hunt.
Y'all sound like a buncha fuggin' snowflakes that want nothing more than to make their personal views the "law of the land" beciase they know SO much more than everyone else.
Better smarten the fug up, people.... Other hunters are not the enemy. Oh. Wait...
Go cook you up some Cowboy Coffee on your stove top....old man... .
Tell me...what's the difference in me walking thousands of acres in Colorado at 8500+ elev. elk hunting (guiding or self-guided) on a "lease" vs. walking "public land" in Colorado elk hunting?
Seriously, you need this explained to you?
I love hunting private land, especially when friends invite me to. And the reason is as obvious as the biggest difference in hunting private vs. public pand----on private land I don't have to compete with every Tom, DIck, and Harry who wants to hunt the same land.
Hunting without that competition is a huge adavantage, especially for a species like elk that draws hunters from all over the country. Why else would people pay thousands of dollars to do it? The animals aren't pressured, you don't have to walk as far to get away from other hunters, and you can normally drive near your kill to pack it out. Which makes a huge difference with animals like elk.
$1K/acre is cheap unless you are in Hudspeth County Texas.
Paid $200 an acre for 3 1/2 sections adjoining our ranch there. Thought that was outrageous. Should have been about $50 an acre, and wasn't too long ago that it was...
$1K/acre is cheap unless you are in Hudspeth County Texas.
Paid $200 an acre for 3 1/2 sections adjoining our ranch there. Thought that was outrageous. Should have been about $50 an acre, and wasn't too long ago that it was...
How much rain do y'all get a year.? How many acres to support a cow?
$1K/acre is cheap unless you are in Hudspeth County Texas.
Paid $200 an acre for 3 1/2 sections adjoining our ranch there. Thought that was outrageous. Should have been about $50 an acre, and wasn't too long ago that it was...
How much rain do y'all get a year.? How many acres to support a cow?
We used to joke that it took a section of land there to run one animal unit... The sad part is, it's not far off from reality.
Just under 10 inches a year for annual rainfall...
But that's not the bad part. The bad part is you can't just run out a poke a hole in the ground, and get a water well.
The water wells are deep and expensive, and where you can actually strike water is even harder to find.
$1K/acre is cheap unless you are in Hudspeth County Texas.
Paid $200 an acre for 3 1/2 sections adjoining our ranch there. Thought that was outrageous. Should have been about $50 an acre, and wasn't too long ago that it was...
I tried to lease a place to deer hunt only, in Ms. a few years ago. Fellow wanted $50/acre when the surrounding land was going for $5-$7/ acre. I dont think he really wanted to lease the place and this was how he kept people out. Anyway, I told him I wanted to lease the place, not buy it. Kinda pizzed him off.
Controlling hogs is one thing. Pretending to hunt, shooting deer and the like unde bait is another. Idgaf what anyone says, it sure the [bleep] ain’t hunting..
$1K/acre is cheap unless you are in Hudspeth County Texas.
Paid $200 an acre for 3 1/2 sections adjoining our ranch there. Thought that was outrageous. Should have been about $50 an acre, and wasn't too long ago that it was...
How much rain do y'all get a year.? How many acres to support a cow?
We used to joke that it took a section of land there to run one animal unit... The sad part is, it's not far off from reality.
Just under 10 inches a year for annual rainfall...
But that's not the bad part. The bad part is you can't just run out a poke a hole in the ground, and get a water well.
The water wells are deep and expensive, and where you can actually strike water is even harder to find.
rockinbbar, 10” annual precipitation......I wish were the case here. Last year, we had our wettest year of the 21 years we’ve lived here....we went just over 10” last year. Hell, a few more centuries of that, and we’ll have Palmetto replacing the Greasewood! memtb
I grew up in Texas the fact the state has essentially no public land is why I would never move back. It’s too bad Texas never preserved any public lands other than around lakes I didn’t do much hunting when I lived there neither did most people I knew even though they claimed to be hunters
Never lived in a place you had to hunt like that. Georgia has a good bit of leases, but there was plenty of great public ground and a simple knock and a polite smile would get you onto a lot of private. Used to anyway.
The commodification of hunting has ruined a bunch of schit.
Tell me...what's the difference in me walking thousands of acres in Colorado at 8500+ elev. elk hunting (guiding or self-guided) on a "lease" vs. walking "public land" in Colorado elk hunting?
Seriously, you need this explained to you?
I love hunting private land, especially when friends invite me to. And the reason is as obvious as the biggest difference in hunting private vs. public pand----on private land I don't have to compete with every Tom, DIck, and Harry who wants to hunt the same land.
Hunting without that competition is a huge adavantage, especially for a species like elk that draws hunters from all over the country. Why else would people pay thousands of dollars to do it? The animals aren't pressured, you don't have to walk as far to get away from other hunters, and you can normally drive near your kill to pack it out. Which makes a huge difference with animals like elk.
Smokepole....watching you "claim" to go elk hunting last year on this website was the funniest schit I've ever seen posted on the internet, when I personally seen you were still signed in on here at around 8:30 PM the night before your opener ....that you had to drive across Colorado to be to the next morning. You see....you "supposedly" were driving back home all day Monday, and didn't post all day until late Monday night....so here's the catch....if it took you all day to drive back on Monday, then it sure is funny how you were in the field hunting on opening day, Saturday morning,.....when you were still signed onto this website Friday night at 8:30 PM...when "real" elk hunters are going to bed "AT" their hunting location, trail head, or already on the property they will hunt when they awake.
Also...you only hunted, "supposedly" for 2 days of the 5 day season...you started driving back on a Monday after only hunting for 2 days. I don't know "any" elk hunter that plans to go hunt for only 2 DAYS in a 5 day season...yet you "gave up" after hunting only 2 days.
You claimed you were hurt and couldn't hunt your bow season, and traded out tags to hunt first rifle season.
You "claimed" you walked 8 miles each day at 11K+ elev. through high snow, and didn't see anything or sign.
You had a whole month to re-plan your hunting strategy from the same area you bow hunt "supposedly".
Any "real" elk hunter knows snow pushes the elk down to feed in the lower areas...yet you went high, 11K+ elev.
Reading your posts are as funny as watching Johnny Carson growing up.
Thanks for the laughs.
P.S. I like how you posted in the BackPack forum, "work out thread" about only hunting 2 days, so you could "hide" your story from the elk hunters in the elk hunting forum....great laughs.
With the attitudes and self righteous indignation I have read in these last 3 pages of diatribe it is easy to see why hunters are losing against the anti's. I see a lot of jealousy here as well as a lot of immaturity.
Controlling hogs is one thing. Pretending to hunt, shooting deer and the like unde bait is another. Idgaf what anyone says, it sure the [bleep] ain’t hunting..
Hunt how you like and let others do the same.
I don’t hunt over corn as it’s illegal.
I’m not trying to argue what the definition of hunting is. But you can bet your azz if I can get a new hunter hunting in a blind or shooting house, I’m gonna do it. Every hunter (game harvester) is one for our side most likely when it counts.
Controlling hogs is one thing. Pretending to hunt, shooting deer and the like unde bait is another. Idgaf what anyone says, it sure the [bleep] ain’t hunting..
Why not just use a spotlight and shoot out the truck window ? I mean as long as everything is acceptable so long as it's legal, why not just legalize spotlighting and make things as easy as possible for the lazy and inept ?
Why not just use a spotlight and shoot out the truck window ? I mean as long as everything is acceptable as long as it's legal why not just legalize spotlighting and make things as easy as possible for the lazy and inept ?
Why not just use a spotlight and shoot out the truck window ? I mean as long as everything is acceptable as long as it's legal why not just legalize spotlighting and make things as easy as possible for the lazy and inept ?
Wouldn't bother me any.
So is there any point at which we stop calling it "hunting" and admit that we are just killing or is anything "hunting" so long as we're killing ? I shoot squirrels off the wifes bird feeders sometimes but don't call it "hunting" but maybe some would ? Likewise, I shoot woodchucks in the summer but I have a hard time saying I like to go woodchuck hunting cuz there really ain't much "hunting" to it. How about if we put up a surveilance camera over a bait pile with a monitor in the living room, embed some C-4 in the bait with a remote detonator and just blow shyt up with the push of a button from the comfort of the lazy boy ? Would that count as "hunting" too?
There is a lot of narrow minded attitude displayed on this thread. I just like being outdoors, the less populated and more scenic the country the better. When I meet someone 5 miles from the trailhead, at that moment in time we are sharing an experience only known to others like us. I won't know or care if they approve of my intentions or methods. I see plenty of hunters every year that to me degrade the experience by using ATVs and radios and run generators and play loud music, to each their own. The west is a big place and I have most of it to myself in the winter so I predator hunt and rarely see of hear a soul. If your method of hunting is enjoyable and legal go for it w/ gusto no matter where you live.
texas is hilarious generally when it comes to hunting. most people think they are huge hunters. YES I know quite a few animals get killed there by hunters. but generally speaking this is done by very few of the general populace. The area I lived didn't have any deer, why you ask? the reason is if a deer did show itself it would have been shot, wouldn't have mattered if it was in the middle of june, may whenever. there simply was not deer because they had all been killed. by the same token hogs were a problem in some areas. I have to laugh if hogs were anywhere in a public land state they wouldn't last long. seems counter intuitive that game are so much more easily managed on public land, both preserved or eradicated, whereas with no public land like you have in texas it seems like you get neither.
texas does have a huge thing going for it and when I go back to visit I am reminded why Texas always has an independent spirit to it. The reason is the small towns, it very common to have property and land there be it 5-10 acres with a house or whatever. This more spread out situation makes people more independent because they rightly realize look I simply don't need that much from the government. If need be our town can secure itself. I could drill a well for water. So many areas could simply go back in time 120 years and still manage to make it. This makes a keep the government off my back mentality. I greatly miss that. I live in the heart of the west with public land everywhere the problem this creates is it clusters the population, the more densley populated an area becomes the more liberal and less freedom the government becomes.
still being able to drive an hour in any direction, shoot guns, ride ATV's shoot jackrabbits, camp, do what I want. I would never trade that to move back to texas, but hey at least you guys have Whataburger
Anyone can set and fill a feeder, then shoot out a shootin house at 20-40 yards. If I’m self righteous for pointing that out, so be it. If that’s as far as your hunting ability takes you, so be it. If smoking something like that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling, bragging ammo..fine with me.
IMO that’s what also gives hunters a bad name. Anti’s watch that dumb [bleep] on TV and I have to agree with them, where’s the sport in that? Really?
Wounded warrior, introducing a kid to the sport, sure.
Don’t blow smoke up my ass and expect me to agree..
I'd really like to see a list of what type of hunting is completely acceptable here.
Anyone?
Hell that is easy. Ya got to do it like the poster that you are talking to does it. miles
Loin cloth and a sharp stick!!!,! 😂
Well, no loin cloth (that'd be silly) but I have hunted barefoot, in sandals, and in handmade leather soled mockersins. With a 13 oz (55lb draw wt) stick bow and a wooden arrow. Am I getting close to having a completely acceptable method of hunting?
Tell me...what's the difference in me walking thousands of acres in Colorado at 8500+ elev. elk hunting (guiding or self-guided) on a "lease" vs. walking "public land" in Colorado elk hunting?
Seriously, you need this explained to you?
I love hunting private land, especially when friends invite me to. And the reason is as obvious as the biggest difference in hunting private vs. public pand----on private land I don't have to compete with every Tom, DIck, and Harry who wants to hunt the same land.
Hunting without that competition is a huge adavantage, especially for a species like elk that draws hunters from all over the country. Why else would people pay thousands of dollars to do it? The animals aren't pressured, you don't have to walk as far to get away from other hunters, and you can normally drive near your kill to pack it out. Which makes a huge difference with animals like elk.
Smokepole....watching you "claim" to go elk hunting last year on this website was the funniest schit I've ever seen posted on the internet, when I personally seen you were still signed in on here at around 8:30 PM the night before your opener ....that you had to drive across Colorado to be to the next morning. You see....you "supposedly" were driving back home all day Monday, and didn't post all day until late Monday night....so here's the catch....if it took you all day to drive back on Monday, then it sure is funny how you were in the field hunting on opening day, Saturday morning,.....when you were still signed onto this website Friday night at 8:30 PM...when "real" elk hunters are going to bed "AT" their hunting location, trail head, or already on the property they will hunt when they awake.
Also...you only hunted, "supposedly" for 2 days of the 5 day season...you started driving back on a Monday after only hunting for 2 days. I don't know "any" elk hunter that plans to go hunt for only 2 DAYS in a 5 day season...yet you "gave up" after hunting only 2 days.
You claimed you were hurt and couldn't hunt your bow season, and traded out tags to hunt first rifle season.
You "claimed" you walked 8 miles each day at 11K+ elev. through high snow, and didn't see anything or sign.
You had a whole month to re-plan your hunting strategy from the same area you bow hunt "supposedly".
Any "real" elk hunter knows snow pushes the elk down to feed in the lower areas...yet you went high, 11K+ elev.
Reading your posts are as funny as watching Johnny Carson growing up.
Thanks for the laughs.
P.S. I like how you posted in the BackPack forum, "work out thread" about only hunting 2 days, so you could "hide" your story from the elk hunters in the elk hunting forum....great laughs.
LOL, if you were half as smart as you think you are you'd be dangerous. I never knew you followed me so closely, should I be flattered? Apparently not closely enough though, you got just about everything you said about me wrong.
Of course, when you have zero response to the points I made in my previous post, personal attacks are all you have left, right?
First, as far as being signed in the night before the opener and then needing to drive across the state, that's outstanding work, Encyclopedia Brown. The only thing unaccounted for is the fact that it's not only possible but quite simple to log on to this site on a cell phone, many of us do it all the time. You were aware of that, right? Sorry, dumb question obviously you weren't aware of that. I was logged in the night before the opener, as I sat in my rented room in Rico Colorado. Look it up on a map. If you want to dispute that, let's make a sizable wager, I rented the room with a credit card so it'll be easy to prove. We can even ask Andrew (the owner of the Inn) what time I left in the morning if you'd like. Hint--it was before the breakfast service.
Second, I never had an archery tag or planned to go archery hunting, get your facts straight. You want to place a sizable wager on that, it's easy to prove also just let me know.
Third, as far as "claiming to be hurt," I didn't. What I "claimed" is what actually happened. I got a cut on my elbow that punctured the bursa and caused an infection that put me in the hospital getting IV antibiotics for three days. That was right before the muzzleloader season and when I was discharged I had to have a PIC line (google it) put in my arm so I could continue giving myself IV antibiotics for a total of four weeks. If you think that's "funny" you're a warped individual. No way I could go on the planned backpack hunt with a catheter in my arm and daily injections of antibiotics that required refrigeration. You want to dispute any of that, let me know, I have medical records out the wazoo. How much would you like to wager?
Last, as far as "quitting after 2 days," I quit for two reasons. First, the animals weren't in my favorite spots. I hunt the early seasons and the areas I like to hunt (and know) are all up near timberline. In those areas, first rifle seaosn is always a crapshoot, sometimes snow, many times not. But I hunt them anyway because where I hunt is more important to me than whether I get an animal. If getting an animal was more important to me, I'd pay someone to hunt on lower elevation private land like you do. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, it's just not a priority for me. And yes, last year there was lots of snow and very little fresh sign in my favorite spot. I did an 8 mile loop the first day, then decided to go somewhere else, down at lower elevation the second two days, Sunday and Monday morning. Couldn't really put in the miles to effectively check out the new area though, because of the two three-inch screws that had been used to fuse my ankle eight months prior that were causing a fair amount of pain on long walks. Which was the second reason I came home. I had to get those screws removed in December, which is not normally done or covered by insurance unless the screws are causing a problem, which they were. You want to dispute that, let me know.
Lodging receipts and medical records don't lie, unlike pathetic little pukes like you.
This thread is paying off. I think some of the funniest stuff is definitely coming out of Texas from those that feel cornered and get defensive. The whip cream on this cake (pun intended) has to be a Texan that doesn’t drink milk because he thinks it’s cow sperm. 😂.
I’ll bet just looking at a set of tits gets him confused. Freud was right...Texans are homocentric. 😂
I most certainly would if I hunted in states that allow them.
I have an excellent source of obsidian in this area, matter of fact there's a big chunk sitting on the wooden border of the flower bed for decoration. Obsidian mines within a few miles of here. I'm sure a man of you profession knows how sharp an obsidian shard can be.
My stick bow is a commercial one too, but about as light as one can find and nearly as simple as an osage or yew bow.
Geno
PS, but I'm not a snob.....................I own and hunt with a firearm too............smokeless powder even.
Smokepole, Remember you’re arguing with a “guy” that thinks milk is cow sperm so bear that in mind as you attempt to argue facts with him.
I’m sitting in a hotel room in Chelan right now because I made a surprise visit to my in-laws to help out with winter chores and to check up on FIL with Alzheimer’s. This is an area I grew up hunting, the vastness of this area has always drawn me in. Lake Chelan is the 3rd deepest lake and is roughly 55 miles long. On this quick trip I’ve seen countless deer, a herd of over 50 bighorn sheep, mountain goats and tons of other critters. Not one of them was artificially attracted by bait and they were all on public land. The jagged peaks of the North Cascades and the Sawtooth wilderness frames this beautiful lake and if a guy spent his entire life hunting this area alone he’d never see even a fraction of what’s available to him.
I don’t care how another guy hunts as long as it’s legal but I do find the extreme defensiveness displayed as a manifestation of a guilty conscience. 😉
I'd really like to see a list of what type of hunting is completely acceptable here.
Anyone?
Hell that is easy. Ya got to do it like the poster that you are talking to does it. miles
Loin cloth and a sharp stick!!!,! 😂
Well, no loin cloth (that'd be silly) but I have hunted barefoot, in sandals, and in handmade leather soled mockersins. With a 13 oz (55lb draw wt) stick bow and a wooden arrow. Am I getting close to having a completely acceptable method of hunting?
Geno
Amateur. I actually DID wear a loincloth once, because it turned a woman on, and she bought it. (Laughing) of course it wasn't GAME I was hunting at the time.....
Anyone can set and fill a feeder, then shoot out a shootin house at 20-40 yards. If I’m self righteous for pointing that out, so be it. If that’s as far as your hunting ability takes you, so be it. If smoking something like that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling, bragging ammo..fine with me.
IMO that’s what also gives hunters a bad name. Anti’s watch that dumb [bleep] on TV and I have to agree with them, where’s the sport in that? Really?
Wounded warrior, introducing a kid to the sport, sure.
Don’t blow smoke up my ass and expect me to agree..
They may view that as low hanging fruit..
But does the way you or I hunt really offend them any less?
No.
They are offended by any hunting of any animal.
They also like division among our ranks. They sure don't have it with their anti-hunting cause.
I'd really like to see a list of what type of hunting is completely acceptable here.
Anyone?
Hell that is easy. Ya got to do it like the poster that you are talking to does it. miles
Loin cloth and a sharp stick!!!,! 😂
Well, no loin cloth (that'd be silly) but I have hunted barefoot, in sandals, and in handmade leather soled mockersins. With a 13 oz (55lb draw wt) stick bow and a wooden arrow. Am I getting close to having a completely acceptable method of hunting?
Geno
Amateur. I actually DID wear a loincloth once, because it turned a woman on, and she bought it. (Laughing) of course it wasn't GAME I was hunting at the time.....
I'd really like to see a list of what type of hunting is completely acceptable here.
Anyone?
Hell that is easy. Ya got to do it like the poster that you are talking to does it. miles
Loin cloth and a sharp stick!!!,! 😂
Well, no loin cloth (that'd be silly) but I have hunted barefoot, in sandals, and in handmade leather soled mockersins. With a 13 oz (55lb draw wt) stick bow and a wooden arrow. Am I getting close to having a completely acceptable method of hunting?
Geno
Amateur. I actually DID wear a loincloth once, because it turned a woman on, and she bought it. (Laughing) of course it wasn't GAME I was hunting at the time.....
And no doubt you were indoors?
If not, I commend you, especially if it was a bit chilly and the loincloth was not down lined. That may have caused some consternation on the part of the Indian Maiden.
Anyone can set and fill a feeder, then shoot out a shootin house at 20-40 yards. If I’m self righteous for pointing that out, so be it. If that’s as far as your hunting ability takes you, so be it. If smoking something like that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling, bragging ammo..fine with me.
IMO that’s what also gives hunters a bad name. Anti’s watch that dumb [bleep] on TV and I have to agree with them, where’s the sport in that? Really?
Wounded warrior, introducing a kid to the sport, sure.
Don’t blow smoke up my ass and expect me to agree..
They may view that as low hanging fruit..
But does the way you or I hunt really offend them any less?
No.
They are offended by any hunting of any animal.
They also like division among our ranks. They sure don't have it with their anti-hunting cause.
Probably not, Barry. But we don’t need anymore on their side, and when someone that hasn’t been raised around or exposed to it, I think they’re more likely to pick the other side, given the limited information they have.
Tell me...what's the difference in me walking thousands of acres in Colorado at 8500+ elev. elk hunting (guiding or self-guided) on a "lease" vs. walking "public land" in Colorado elk hunting?
Seriously, you need this explained to you?
I love hunting private land, especially when friends invite me to. And the reason is as obvious as the biggest difference in hunting private vs. public pand----on private land I don't have to compete with every Tom, DIck, and Harry who wants to hunt the same land.
Hunting without that competition is a huge adavantage, especially for a species like elk that draws hunters from all over the country. Why else would people pay thousands of dollars to do it? The animals aren't pressured, you don't have to walk as far to get away from other hunters, and you can normally drive near your kill to pack it out. Which makes a huge difference with animals like elk.
Smokepole....watching you "claim" to go elk hunting last year on this website was the funniest schit I've ever seen posted on the internet, when I personally seen you were still signed in on here at around 8:30 PM the night before your opener ....that you had to drive across Colorado to be to the next morning. You see....you "supposedly" were driving back home all day Monday, and didn't post all day until late Monday night....so here's the catch....if it took you all day to drive back on Monday, then it sure is funny how you were in the field hunting on opening day, Saturday morning,.....when you were still signed onto this website Friday night at 8:30 PM...when "real" elk hunters are going to bed "AT" their hunting location, trail head, or already on the property they will hunt when they awake.
Also...you only hunted, "supposedly" for 2 days of the 5 day season...you started driving back on a Monday after only hunting for 2 days. I don't know "any" elk hunter that plans to go hunt for only 2 DAYS in a 5 day season...yet you "gave up" after hunting only 2 days.
You claimed you were hurt and couldn't hunt your bow season, and traded out tags to hunt first rifle season.
You "claimed" you walked 8 miles each day at 11K+ elev. through high snow, and didn't see anything or sign.
You had a whole month to re-plan your hunting strategy from the same area you bow hunt "supposedly".
Any "real" elk hunter knows snow pushes the elk down to feed in the lower areas...yet you went high, 11K+ elev.
Reading your posts are as funny as watching Johnny Carson growing up.
Thanks for the laughs.
P.S. I like how you posted in the BackPack forum, "work out thread" about only hunting 2 days, so you could "hide" your story from the elk hunters in the elk hunting forum....great laughs.
LOL, if you were half as smart as you think you are you'd be dangerous. I never knew you followed me so closely, should I be flattered? Apparently not closely enough though, you got just about everything you said about me wrong.
Of course, when you have zero response to the points I made in my previous post, personal attacks are all you have left, right?
First, as far as being signed in the night before the opener and then needing to drive across the state, that's outstanding work, Encyclopedia Brown. The only thing unaccounted for is the fact that it's not only possible but quite simple to log into this site on a cell phone, many of us do it all the time.. You were aware of that, right? Sorry, dumb question obviously you weren't aware of that. I was logged in the night before the opener, as I sat in my rented room in Rico Colorado. Look it up on a map. If you want to dispute that, let's make a sizable wager, I rented the room with a credit card so it'll be easy to prove. We can even ask Andrew (the owner of the Inn) what time I left in the morning if you'd like. Hint--it was before the breakfast service.
Second, I never had an archery tag or planned to go archery hunting, get your facts straight. You want to place a sizable wager on that, it's easy to prove also just let me know.
Third, as far as "claiming to be hurt," I didn't. What I "claimed" is what actually happened. I got a cut on my elbow that punctured the bursa and caused an infection that put me in the hospital getting IV antibiotics for three days. That was right before the muzzleloader season and when I was discharged I had to have a PIC line (google it) put in my arm so I could continue giving myself IV antibiotics for a total of four weeks. If you think that's "funny" you're a warped individual. No way I could go on the planned backpack hunt with a catherter in my arm and daily injections of antibiotics that required refrigeration. You want to dispute any of that, let me know, I have medical records out the wazoo. How much would you like to wager?
Last, as far as "quitting after 2 days," I quit for two reasons. First, the animals weren't in my favorite spots. I hunt the early seasons and the areas I like to hunt (and know) are all up near timberline. In those areas, first rifle seaosn is always a crapshoot, sometimes snow, many times not. But I hunt them anyway because where I hunt is more important to me than whether I get an animal. If getting an animal was more important to me, I'd pay someone to hunt on lower elevation private land like you do. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, it's just not a priority for me. And yes, last year there was lots of snow and very little fresh sign in my favorite spot. I did an 8 mile loop the first day, then decided to go somewhere else, down at lower elevation the second two days, Sunday and Monday morning. Couldn't really put in the miles to effectively check out the new area though, becuase of the two three-inch screws in my ankle that were causing a fair amount of pain on long walks. Which was the second reason I came home. I had to get those screws removed in December, which is not normally done or covered by insurance unless the screws are causing a problem, which they were. You want to dispute that, let me know.
Lodging receipts and medical records don't lie, unlike pathetic little dipshcits like you.
You'd make an excellent fictional writer. You lie as good as any liberal I've ever seen.
When I get time, I'll prove your posting is nothing but lies.
So is there any point at which we stop calling it "hunting" and admit that we are just killing or is anything "hunting" so long as we're killing ? I shoot squirrels off the wifes bird feeders sometimes but don't call it "hunting" but maybe some would ? Likewise, I shoot woodchucks in the summer but I have a hard time saying I like to go woodchuck hunting cuz there really ain't much "hunting" to it. How about if we put up a surveilance camera over a bait pile with a monitor in the living room, embed some C-4 in the bait with a remote detonator and just blow shyt up with the push of a button from the comfort of the lazy boy ? Would that count as "hunting" too?
I don't know what I'd call it but it's no dumber than somebody planting and cultivating food plots and name all their deer and leave trail cameras all over the GD place and shooting one on opening morning.
Anyone can set and fill a feeder, then shoot out a shootin house at 20-40 yards.
LOL. That IS true, but in some parts of the country you take what you can get. I'd much rather hunt deer out west than harvest them here in this part of the state, but it ain't in the cards for me---for a while at least. There's always the option of setting the feeder a little further away to make it a bit more interesting.
Have you ever done it with blinds and feeders? You can put a lot of work and money into that style of hunting. There are expenses and efforts that gotta be made...I always enjoyed being out on the lease and didn't mind a bit, but it can be a lot of work. Then when opening day comes, you get in your blind and wait. It becomes a lot like fishing at that point, and sometimes the real challenge is just staying awake.
I'd MUCH rather hunt somewhere around Piñon or Mayhill and use my feet instead of my butt, and hopefully I will in a few short years but for now I'm happy to just sit in a mesquite thicket with a rifle, and maybe sneak around a bit to see what I can scare up. In the meantime I'll just keep enjoying my last harvest, a young buck who was shot for eating my corn. He's chili in a pot in the fridge now.
I most certainly would if I hunted in states that allow them.
I have an excellent source of obsidian in this area, matter of fact there's a big chunk sitting on the wooden border of the flower bed for decoration. Obsidian mines within a few miles of here. I'm sure a man of you profession knows how sharp an obsidian shard can be.
My stick bow is a commercial one too, but about as light as one can find and nearly as simple as an osage or yew bow.
Geno
PS, but I'm not a snob.....................I own and hunt with a firearm too............smokeless powder even.
Question. In my state, the size of the razerhead is regulated, but I know of no material requirements. Is there some reason why you could NOT use obsidian if you chose to use that method?
Tell me...what's the difference in me walking thousands of acres in Colorado at 8500+ elev. elk hunting (guiding or self-guided) on a "lease" vs. walking "public land" in Colorado elk hunting?
Seriously, you need this explained to you?
I love hunting private land, especially when friends invite me to. And the reason is as obvious as the biggest difference in hunting private vs. public pand----on private land I don't have to compete with every Tom, DIck, and Harry who wants to hunt the same land.
Hunting without that competition is a huge adavantage, especially for a species like elk that draws hunters from all over the country. Why else would people pay thousands of dollars to do it? The animals aren't pressured, you don't have to walk as far to get away from other hunters, and you can normally drive near your kill to pack it out. Which makes a huge difference with animals like elk.
Smokepole....watching you "claim" to go elk hunting last year on this website was the funniest schit I've ever seen posted on the internet, when I personally seen you were still signed in on here at around 8:30 PM the night before your opener ....that you had to drive across Colorado to be to the next morning. You see....you "supposedly" were driving back home all day Monday, and didn't post all day until late Monday night....so here's the catch....if it took you all day to drive back on Monday, then it sure is funny how you were in the field hunting on opening day, Saturday morning,.....when you were still signed onto this website Friday night at 8:30 PM...when "real" elk hunters are going to bed "AT" their hunting location, trail head, or already on the property they will hunt when they awake.
Also...you only hunted, "supposedly" for 2 days of the 5 day season...you started driving back on a Monday after only hunting for 2 days. I don't know "any" elk hunter that plans to go hunt for only 2 DAYS in a 5 day season...yet you "gave up" after hunting only 2 days.
You claimed you were hurt and couldn't hunt your bow season, and traded out tags to hunt first rifle season.
You "claimed" you walked 8 miles each day at 11K+ elev. through high snow, and didn't see anything or sign.
You had a whole month to re-plan your hunting strategy from the same area you bow hunt "supposedly".
Any "real" elk hunter knows snow pushes the elk down to feed in the lower areas...yet you went high, 11K+ elev.
Reading your posts are as funny as watching Johnny Carson growing up.
Thanks for the laughs.
P.S. I like how you posted in the BackPack forum, "work out thread" about only hunting 2 days, so you could "hide" your story from the elk hunters in the elk hunting forum....great laughs.
LOL, if you were half as smart as you think you are you'd be dangerous. I never knew you followed me so closely, should I be flattered? Apparently not closely enough though, you got just about everything you said about me wrong.
Of course, when you have zero response to the points I made in my previous post, personal attacks are all you have left, right?
First, as far as being signed in the night before the opener and then needing to drive across the state, that's outstanding work, Encyclopedia Brown. The only thing unaccounted for is the fact that it's not only possible but quite simple to log into this site on a cell phone, many of us do it all the time.. You were aware of that, right? Sorry, dumb question obviously you weren't aware of that. I was logged in the night before the opener, as I sat in my rented room in Rico Colorado. Look it up on a map. If you want to dispute that, let's make a sizable wager, I rented the room with a credit card so it'll be easy to prove. We can even ask Andrew (the owner of the Inn) what time I left in the morning if you'd like. Hint--it was before the breakfast service.
Second, I never had an archery tag or planned to go archery hunting, get your facts straight. You want to place a sizable wager on that, it's easy to prove also just let me know.
Third, as far as "claiming to be hurt," I didn't. What I "claimed" is what actually happened. I got a cut on my elbow that punctured the bursa and caused an infection that put me in the hospital getting IV antibiotics for three days. That was right before the muzzleloader season and when I was discharged I had to have a PIC line (google it) put in my arm so I could continue giving myself IV antibiotics for a total of four weeks. If you think that's "funny" you're a warped individual. No way I could go on the planned backpack hunt with a catherter in my arm and daily injections of antibiotics that required refrigeration. You want to dispute any of that, let me know, I have medical records out the wazoo. How much would you like to wager?
Last, as far as "quitting after 2 days," I quit for two reasons. First, the animals weren't in my favorite spots. I hunt the early seasons and the areas I like to hunt (and know) are all up near timberline. In those areas, first rifle seaosn is always a crapshoot, sometimes snow, many times not. But I hunt them anyway because where I hunt is more important to me than whether I get an animal. If getting an animal was more important to me, I'd pay someone to hunt on lower elevation private land like you do. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, it's just not a priority for me. And yes, last year there was lots of snow and very little fresh sign in my favorite spot. I did an 8 mile loop the first day, then decided to go somewhere else, down at lower elevation the second two days, Sunday and Monday morning. Couldn't really put in the miles to effectively check out the new area though, becuase of the two three-inch screws in my ankle that were causing a fair amount of pain on long walks. Which was the second reason I came home. I had to get those screws removed in December, which is not normally done or covered by insurance unless the screws are causing a problem, which they were. You want to dispute that, let me know.
Lodging receipts and medical records don't lie, unlike pathetic little dipshcits like you.
You'd make an excellent fictional writer. You lie as good as any liberal I've ever seen.
When I get time, I'll prove your posting is nothing but lies.
Put your money where your big mouth is, you pathetic little twat.
Smokepole, Remember you’re arguing with a “guy” that thinks milk is cow sperm so bear that in mind as you attempt to argue facts with him.
Yeah, not only that, but a person who claims to be smarter than everyone else here combined, yet doesn't know that you can access the internet from a smart phone. Kind of makes you wonder what's up with this person.
I most certainly would if I hunted in states that allow them.
I have an excellent source of obsidian in this area, matter of fact there's a big chunk sitting on the wooden border of the flower bed for decoration. Obsidian mines within a few miles of here. I'm sure a man of you profession knows how sharp an obsidian shard can be.
My stick bow is a commercial one too, but about as light as one can find and nearly as simple as an osage or yew bow.
Geno
PS, but I'm not a snob.....................I own and hunt with a firearm too............smokeless powder even.
Question. In my state, the size of the razerhead is regulated, but I know of no material requirements. Is there some reason why you could NOT use obsidian if you chose to use that method?
Well, thanks for the memory jog. I moved back to Cali permanently a couple of summers ago (2017) and haven't archery hunted here yet, so haven't looked closely at those regs, or at the regs for WA where I was a resident for a few years. Shoulder surgeries kept me from practicing/hunting so I wasn't interested except in the firearms sections.
Seems in Cali the regs call for a minimum 7/8" blade (cannot pass through a 7/8" hole) and mechanical heads are legal and measured in the open position. Seems when I was last a resident here (1999) I recall there was a restriction to "metal" heads.
Washington requires a "sharp" broadhead, again 7/8" minimum.
Now I have to research AZ too, as I hunt there at times. Mostly firearm, but now that my shoulders are better I may take advantage of archery seasons again. Those tags are still hard to draw given the number of modern archery equipment hunters nowadays.
Maybe I break out some palm leather, an antler point, and some eye protection and make me some points this summer. I've got some sinew stashed somewhere in the archery supplies too. This could be fun!
I most certainly would if I hunted in states that allow them.
I have an excellent source of obsidian in this area, matter of fact there's a big chunk sitting on the wooden border of the flower bed for decoration. Obsidian mines within a few miles of here. I'm sure a man of you profession knows how sharp an obsidian shard can be.
My stick bow is a commercial one too, but about as light as one can find and nearly as simple as an osage or yew bow.
Geno
PS, but I'm not a snob.....................I own and hunt with a firearm too............smokeless powder even.
Question. In my state, the size of the razerhead is regulated, but I know of no material requirements. Is there some reason why you could NOT use obsidian if you chose to use that method?
Well, thanks for the memory jog. I moved back to Cali permanently a couple of summers ago (2017) and haven't archery hunted here yet, so haven't looked closely at those regs, or at the regs for WA where I was a resident for a few years. Shoulder surgeries kept me from practicing/hunting so I wasn't interested except in the firearms sections.
Seems in Cali the regs call for a minimum 7/8" blade (cannot pass through a 7/8" hole) and mechanical heads are legal and measured in the open position. Seems when I was last a resident here (1999) I recall there was a restriction to "metal" heads.
Washington requires a "sharp" broadhead, again 7/8" minimum.
Now I have to research AZ too, as I hunt there at times. Mostly firearm, but now that my shoulders are better I may take advantage of archery seasons again. Those tags are still hard to draw given the number of modern archery equipment hunters nowadays.
Maybe I break out some palm leather, an antler point, and some eye protection and make me some points this summer. I've got some sinew stashed somewhere in the archery supplies too. This could be fun!
Geno
Yes, it could be. I went primitive once before to see how primitive I could go, and still get meat. These are Ohio regs: "Archery Season Longbow: Minimum draw weight 40 pounds. This includes compound bows and recurve bows. The arrow tip needs a minimum of two cutting edges, which may be exposed or unexposed and a minimum 3/4-inch width. Expandable and mechanical broadheads are legal.
Crossbow: Minimum draw weight 75 pounds. The arrow tip needs a minimum of two cutting edges, which may be exposed or unexposed and a minimum 3/4-inch width. Expandable and mechanical broadheads are legal."
Smokepole, Remember you’re arguing with a “guy” that thinks milk is cow sperm so bear that in mind as you attempt to argue facts with him.
Yeah, not only that, but a person who claims to be smarter than everyone else here combined, yet doesn't know that you can access the internet from a smart phone. Kind of makes you wonder what's up with this person.
Moneys the thing. Guessing they want $350k+ a 1/3.
That kinda money can buy less land but better deer in the delta.
Hmm, my Dad sold our 526 acres for 1.5M but it was worth 3M, 26 deer stand, 14 green fields, all ready to go, basically land in Woodville MS is 2700.00 - 3800.00 per acre
Smokepole, Remember you’re arguing with a “guy” that thinks milk is cow sperm so bear that in mind as you attempt to argue facts with him.
Yeah, not only that, but a person who claims to be smarter than everyone else here combined, yet doesn't know that you can access the internet from a smart phone. Kind of makes you wonder what's up with this person.
It's a Squats To Pee alter.
David
No it's not. This guy makes Take-a-knee look like Dwayne (BC30cal). T-A-K was opinionated and confrontational but not nearly as ignorant as this person. I'm pretty sure T-A-K knew how to use a smart phone.
So is there any point at which we stop calling it "hunting" and admit that we are just killing or is anything "hunting" so long as we're killing ? I shoot squirrels off the wifes bird feeders sometimes but don't call it "hunting" but maybe some would ? Likewise, I shoot woodchucks in the summer but I have a hard time saying I like to go woodchuck hunting cuz there really ain't much "hunting" to it. How about if we put up a surveilance camera over a bait pile with a monitor in the living room, embed some C-4 in the bait with a remote detonator and just blow shyt up with the push of a button from the comfort of the lazy boy ? Would that count as "hunting" too?
I don't know what I'd call it but it's no dumber than somebody planting and cultivating food plots and name all their deer and leave trail cameras all over the GD place and shooting one on opening morning.
Smokepole, Remember you’re arguing with a “guy” that thinks milk is cow sperm so bear that in mind as you attempt to argue facts with him.
Yeah, not only that, but a person who claims to be smarter than everyone else here combined, yet doesn't know that you can access the internet from a smart phone. Kind of makes you wonder what's up with this person.
It's a Squats To Pee alter.
David
No it's not. This guy makes Take-a-knee look like Dwayne (BC30cal). T-A-K was opinionated and confrontational but not nearly as ignorant as this person. I'm pretty sure T-A-K knew how to use a smart phone.
Hanco's thread done been tarned into a football bat.
The title alone is worth 10 pages....the insinuation that Texas and hunting are not contradictory is worth 10 more. Add 10+10 and you’re left with a big tall glass of “cow sperm”.....which are contradictory words 😁
Laffin a lot on this one. More ignorance than a room full of Democrats setting hunting seasons. Gotta hope it's mostly chain rattling but sure seems real. I know it's not very sportsman like but I'll be headed to the lease my wife and I were blessed to get up in the Blue Ridge Mountains come Monday. Need to monitor the turkey population a few days. Season ain't that far away. Beautiful land, mostly mountainous, and we can see a whole lot further than we can hunt from the high spots. It's just a fun place to be. There's thousands of public mountain land down southwest a few counties away but I wouldn't trade the whole lot for the 250 or so acres we'll have to ourselves and the odd time a good friend get's to come along. Already set the trophy rules. If it's legal, you really want to shoot it, and it makes you happy, it's fair game.
If possible we'll have bush hog work done in some old Christmas tree fields to keep them from being overgrown with scrub stuff critters can't eat. Hoping to put in 2 or 3 oat and clover patches with elevated stands by season after next. Probly hit the blackberry thickets with some fertilizer because deer love the foliage and everything else including us love the berries. Outside of the Christmas tree fields the land is THICK with hardwoods, rhododendron, laurel and young white pine stands along with being cut with several stream beds. Sneak hunting can be done but it'd be strictly along the old farm roads that remain. But since we really like to eat deer our real hunting will take place before and after hunting season. That's when we determine travel routes, bedding areas, feeding areas and no entry areas (deer need someplace in their range here where they're not pressured) before setting ambush points. Then we'll sit back and try to stay warm till it's time to shoot. Really looking forward to it. Hoping to have at least two enclosed blinds where we can use a propane heater. Some days with 20+ mph winds with 40 gusts and temps in the 20s or less a warm spot is a nice place to be.
To you all I'll just say I'm happy for you if you have a place to hunt. Each to his own.
Not real sure why you got such a hard on for other hunters, but myself I can't see a lot of difference between watching corn or watching an Oak tree dropping acorns. In fact if you have Oaks dropping acorns, you probably are wasting your time watching the corn. miles
The thing is, no matter how or where you hunt, your method is always easier than what someone else does. I did a 12 day walk-in hunt for Dall Sheep, with backpacks. It wasn't easy. And then I read about guys who do the same kind of hunt but with archery gear.
The thing is, no matter how or where you hunt, your method is always easier than what someone else does. I did a 12 day walk-in hunt for Dall Sheep, with backpacks. It wasn't easy. And then I read about guys who do the same kind of hunt but with archery gear.
If you bagged that Dall, with a rifle, whatever. Hiked your ass off, glassed and hunted your ass off. Compared to sitting under a feeder and shooting it.
eta: Perhaps not a feeling of guilt, so much as a remorse and empathy and understanding. Doesn't keep me from hunting, but I didn't have that when I was younger.
Barry, I respect you and appreciate the advice you’ve given me on many things. Let’s just agree to disagree. It’s not worth it.
You guys take it easy.
I guess we do about this.
It's pointless to debate ethics. Everyone has their own ideas about things. Everyone thinks that the way they do things is "right". Not just about deer hunting, but pretty much everything they do. If they didn't, they wouldn't do it.
Not shot a deer over corn since I was a kid. Didn't do it much then either.
I'm just not going to tell someone else how they should hunt.
If having the liberals tell us what to do and not do leaves a bad taste in your mouth, I don't see how this is any different... That is the point I've been trying to make.
If I have "taken sides" in this pissing match, it's the side of letting everyone have the freedom to do what they want, as long as it's legal.
eta: Perhaps not a feeling of guilt, so much as a remorse and empathy and understanding. Doesn't keep me from hunting, but I didn't have that when I was younger.
Strangely, I'm right there with you on that. But I also agree with sandbilly. I've often said that things like planters, plows, seed, crops and feeders are the tools of the farmer and a hunter has no need for those things.
Well, since hunting is seasonal here, I have to disagree. Also I do like some vegetables along with my meat. miles
If you are growing vegetables you are farming. Which is absolutely fine but you don't need to grow vegetables to hunt nor do you need the tools of a farmer to hunt.
The thing is, no matter how or where you hunt, your method is always easier than what someone else does. I did a 12 day walk-in hunt for Dall Sheep, with backpacks. It wasn't easy. And then I read about guys who do the same kind of hunt but with archery gear.
If you bagged that Dall, with a rifle, whatever. Hiked your ass off, glassed and hunted your ass off. Compared to sitting under a feeder and shooting it.
Which one would you feel like you’ve EARNED?
Good question. I'll start by saying the older I get and the more I think about it, the more I realize that what's important to me personally doesn't mean a whole lot to most others, nor should it.
As far as earning it or feeling a sense of accomplishment, yes the sheep hunt was physically tough and the most demanding hunt I've been on as far as pure physical effort. So for this lower 48 hunter it was the ultimate backpack hunt. But as a non-resident I was required to use a guide and truth be told, if you have a good guide who's done his homework, you're physically fit and able to keep up, and you can shoot straight when the time comes success rates are pretty high and mostly depend on your guide and the area you're hunting, not your individual skill. Hell, I would've been clueless up there looking for sheep on my own. There are guys who post here regularly who do the same kind of hunt DIY every year, and guys who guide those hunts. What was one of the most difficult hunts for me is just another hunt in sheep country for them but none of them chose to denigrate my hunt.
I like to hunt different animals using different methods. The fact that one kind of hunt is more challenging or takes more skill doesn't diminish the others. My most rewarding hunt wasn't the sheep hunt, it was one of the DIY hunts down here when I was fortunate enough to take a bull with a muzzleloader or bow and pack it out on my back, on my own. Either that or tagging along with my youngest son when he killed his first elk on an RFW hunt. That hunt was guided on private land with virtually 100% of the hunters getting an opportunity for a shot on day one. But it still ranks up there as one of my favorite hunts.
Well, since hunting is seasonal here, I have to disagree. Also I do like some vegetables along with my meat. miles
If you are growing vegetables you are farming. Which is absolutely fine but you don't need to grow vegetables to hunt nor do you need the tools of a farmer to hunt.
If one of my neighbors with an apple orchard offered to let me hunt deer on his land, I'd take him up on it. I think most would. But if I was lucky enough to bag a big buck that was eating his apples, I'd try not to brag about how great a hunter I was for doing it, that's the rub.
Depends on what you mean by "brag." If I scouted a big buck pre-season and then hunted him for a month all over creation and back before I got a chance to put a stalk on him, get within 10 yards, and kill him in his bed, my hunting friends would sure enough hear the tale.
For an apple-fed buck out of the neighbor's orchard not so much.
Ok, just admit it’s a lot easier than doing your homework and setting a tree stand on a deer trail, or spot and stalk, or just HUNTING for game.
Instead of baiting the game to come to you....
Do you agree? Yes or no will work.
If you film(and locate) deer that are on a binge diet and won’t be eating anything while you’re hunting them, that would be challenging right there. I mean , that’s a true hunter: the hunter that is hunting a deer that won’t be eating. This way none of the deers movements has anything to do with food.
Sandbilly, got a few questions for you.... just want your opinion. You've stated that sitting over corn is not hunting, and that's ok with me. What exactly is your definition of 'hunting?
If you're watching a field that has been harvested such as corn or peanuts, is that deer hunting? What about sitting in the woods and watching White Oak or Over Cup acorn trees, is that deer hunting? What if you're sitting and watching a trail in the woods where deer walk, is that hunting? What about running deer with dogs and waiting (being a stander) at a place where you hope the deer will come by you, is that hunting? What if you are running deer with dogs and instead of using standers, you ride horses in the woods in an attempt to get a deer, is that hunting? What about men making a drive and using standers, is that deer hunting? What about climbing a tree to wait for deer, is that hunting? What if you use a mechanical device to climb the tree and make it more comfortable to sit there, is that deer hunting? Is using a modern rifle with a scope and practicing where you can make kills at 200+ yds, instead of using a weapon, such as a bow and arrow, where you have to get within 20-30 yds, is that deer hunting? Is taking advantage of modern equipment and practices deer hunting? Is using scents and calls of any kind, deer hunting?
California doesn't allow bait and I've only hunted out of a blind once, it's almost always spot and stalk, but I'd use a blind if it was the most effective for the situation at hand.
I hunt public and private most every year. I have friends with good property within 5 minutes of the house. I can easily kill my 2 bucks there every year if I want, but often pass, choosing to let them mature. My hunts on public are a much bigger adventure, with huge mountains and much better feed and genetics offering a real shot at a record class buck...but it's usually a grueling affair.
I'm not such a snob that I'd turn down an opportunity to hunt a lease or over bait where legal...to each his own. When in Rome, I'd do as the Romans or Texas or Africa or Alaska.
8k views on this thread. The same 25 guys posting. I guarantee you I know what most folks think, including what you two know deep down.
Most just don’t have the stones to admit it.
No, you don't. You're just embarrassing yourself. I'm sitting here trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and failing miserably. You're an obnoxious azz, who choses to denigrate anyone who disagrees with you. My bucket list includes nearly every type of hunting. You, on the other hand, are small minded, and seriously biased. Truly disgusting.
8k views on this thread. The same 25 guys posting. I guarantee you I know what most folks think, including what you two know deep down.
Most just don’t have the stones to admit it.
SandBilly, according to your theory, all Turkey, Goose and Duck hunters don’t “earn” their game when they call them to them, because that is the same as a deer coming to corn. You’re “baiting” them with a call.
According to you, we would only be safe Dove, Quail, Pheasant, etc hunting.
Using your theory in fishing, everyone can no longer use rod and reel. You must stalk with a spear. No “bait” allowed, live, dead or lures. That’s baiting.
Using your theory….you should stop purchasing any food at the grocery store, being you didn’t grow it or stalk it.
Smokepole, Remember you’re arguing with a “guy” that thinks milk is cow sperm so bear that in mind as you attempt to argue facts with him.
Yeah, not only that, but a person who claims to be smarter than everyone else here combined, yet doesn't know that you can access the internet from a smart phone. Kind of makes you wonder what's up with this person.
LOL….look at these two love birds ganging up on me now, when just a few months ago AcesNeights was handing polesmoker his azz to him.
Go to the link, and halfway down the page, you’ll see the below post, and read farther as Aces puts ole polesmoker in his place…..good laughs.
Good laughs here too, now that they seem to be the “Brokenback Mountain” couple here now teaming up.
IThat client sounds like a coward of the first order. Having been tested more than a few times I know that.....
You don't know squat. Unless you've been dragged off a horse by your ankle.
Is that how you were "tested more than a few times?"
I’ll trust what I know over your guessing.
You can use partial quotes and take statements out of context all you want (typical liberal reaction) but it makes you look stupid. You have become more and more argumentative for no good reason, not just this thread but many of the ones you insert yourself in. I don’t know if loneliness and old age is your excuse but either way you just come across as a washed up old crank that gets off on picking internet arguments because you lack excitement in your elderly life. Keep on keeping on champ....you’re always good for a laugh at your own expense.
And I’ll also point out here, as Aces did in his post above about polesmoker inserting himself into a conversation that does not involve him, so he can start arguing.
That is exactly what polesmoker did again here in this thread when he addressed my question to someone else in his response to me at the first post of page 9.
That is the definition of a troll people, and his actions right here in this very thread proves it.
So "elkslayer," it's safe to say you still have zero response to the points I made in my first post and you can't back up any of the bullsh** you laid out in your personal attacks on me.
I will admit it was wrong of me to call you a pathetic little twat. That was unfair to pathetic little twats everywhere.
The thing is, no matter how or where you hunt, your method is always easier than what someone else does. I did a 12 day walk-in hunt for Dall Sheep, with backpacks. It wasn't easy. And then I read about guys who do the same kind of hunt but with archery gear.
If you bagged that Dall, with a rifle, whatever. Hiked your ass off, glassed and hunted your ass off. Compared to sitting under a feeder and shooting it.
Which one would you feel like you’ve EARNED?
Good question. I'll start by saying the older I get and the more I think about it, the more I realize that what's important to me personally doesn't mean a whole lot to most others, nor should it.
As far as earning it or feeling a sense of accomplishment, yes the sheep hunt was physically tough and the most demanding hunt I've been on as far as pure physical effort. So for this lower 48 hunter it was the ultimate backpack hunt. But as a non-resident I was required to use a guide and truth be told, if you have a good guide who's done his homework, you're physically fit and able to keep up, and you can shoot straight when the time comes success rates are pretty high and mostly depend on your guide and the area you're hunting, not your individual skill. Hell, I would've been clueless up there looking for sheep on my own. There are guys who post here regularly who do the same kind of hunt DIY every year, and guys who guide those hunts. What was one of the most difficult hunts for me is just another hunt in sheep country for them but none of them chose to denigrate my hunt.
I like to hunt different animals using different methods. The fact that one kind of hunt is more challenging or takes more skill doesn't diminish the others. My most rewarding hunt wasn't the sheep hunt, it was one of the DIY hunts down here when I was fortunate enough to take a bull with a muzzleloader or bow and pack it out on my back, on my own. Either that or tagging along with my youngest son when he killed his first elk on an RFW hunt. That hunt was guided on private land with virtually 100% of the hunters getting an opportunity for a shot on day one. But it still ranks up there as one of my favorite hunts.
Probably the best response on this train wreck thread! Well said.
8k views on this thread. The same 25 guys posting. I guarantee you I know what most folks think, including what you two know deep down.
Most just don’t have the stones to admit it.
SandBilly, according to your theory, all Turkey, Goose and Duck hunters don’t “earn” their game when they call them to them, because that is the same as a deer coming to corn. You’re “baiting” them with a call.
According to you, we would only be safe Dove, Quail, Pheasant, etc hunting.
Using your theory in fishing, everyone can no longer use rod and reel. You must stalk with a spear. No “bait” allowed, live, dead or lures. That’s baiting.
Using your theory….you should stop purchasing any food at the grocery store, being you didn’t grow it or stalk it.
ElkSlayer91, I was getting ready to say something similar. So....let’s carry it a little farther. Is it unsportsmanlik to drive to the desired hunt. Should we all walk, (horses are also not allowed) to make hunting completely “ethical”! Just how far do we want to pursue “sandycrotch’s” narrow-minded definition of hunting. Until he can prove to me that he walks to all of his hunting locations.....I’ll call him hypocrite! Of course, this brings up the question....is it ethical to wear shoes when walking? Where does it all stop? memtb
Elkslayer, In the spirit of brevity I wanted to let you know that I’ve been worked up and pissed off on here in the past so I understand as well as anyone how this internet thing can elicit unintended emotions. I don’t care how another man “hunts” and if it makes him happy and fulfills the hunting urges that are unique to some of us then who cares?.....I know I sure don’t. I also know that age and physical limitations can prevent a backpacking, spot and stalk hunt and therefore requires a different approach or the decision to quit doing something you love, I know what I’d choose. If lease hunting over feeders is legal and a viable option then go have fun and scratch the itch. 👍
I was driving back from the east side of the mountains yesterday on a bright but cold bluebird day. The snow in the mountains reflecting that bright sun back and the thin winter trickle of mighty rivers snaking through the ice is powerful medicine for cabin fever. Listening to the cross country and snowshoeing trail reports brought a smile to my face (some trail names are funny) and I thought about this thread. I had to wait at the little intersection in Leavenworth, a Bavarian village in our “Western Alps”, for a group of 6 mule deer to cross the street and thanked God for the privilege of growing up in such a beautiful place with endless opportunity for outdoor fun. 45 minutes prior I watched a smaller group of Bighorn sheep feed on a steep wind blown hillside that was mostly snow free. Watching sheep and goats is a special and unique privilege that I have enjoyed for as long as I can remember, there’s something so wild and daring about them that captures my imagination and reaffirms to me that I’m pretty close to where I belong. I was thinking about this thread and literally was LOL’ing over the milk confusion. I needed a real laugh and this thread delivered, I hope you understand that I’m not laughing AT anyone, I’m laughing at the comments and the retorts they receive.
I wish you all the best success in your hunting adventures! I’m much more apt to be friends with a high stand, high fence, bait loving private land leasing hunter than I am a non hunter....you just can’t trust’em. 😁
PS....I don’t claim responsibility for anything I’ve previously posted on any other thread. 😁. Each thread is independently unique.....like a snowflake. 😉. I’ve been on here long enough that I’ve pissed off everyone at some point so pulling up a previous thread isn’t a good indication of my actual feelings towards any particular poster here. I’ve exchanged responses with smokepole that weren’t always the nicest because it’s the innanet but I’ll admit that I’ve found myself in agreement with him more times than I’ve disagreed with him. There’s very few people here that I detest and I don’t think a one of them has posted on this thread.....but I do understand the emotions that sometimes surface and would advise anyone here to not take them too seriously. 👍
I’m gonna have a big glass of fresh cows milk from our local dairy and finish reading the 1983 Johnson study on Sheep and Goats in Washington. Thanks to EVERYONE that made this thread so funny, whether intentional or unintentional I LMFAO. 👍
PS....I don’t claim responsibility for anything I’ve previously posted on any other thread. 😁. Each thread is independently unique.....like a snowflake. 😉. I’ve been on here long enough that I’ve pissed off everyone at some point so pulling up a previous thread isn’t a good indication of my actual feelings towards any particular poster here. I’ve exchanged responses with smokepole that weren’t always the nicest because it’s the innanet but I’ll admit that I’ve found myself in agreement with him more times than I’ve disagreed with him. There’s very few people here that I detest and I don’t think a one of them has posted on this thread.....but I do understand the emotions that sometimes surface and would advise anyone here to not take them too seriously. 👍
I’m gonna have a big glass of fresh cows milk from our local dairy and finish reading the 1983 Johnson study on Sheep and Goats in Washington. Thanks to EVERYONE that made this thread so funny, whether intentional or unintentional I LMFAO. 👍
👍. Well said.....I’m guilt of offending others, though most often unintentionally. What I see as humorous...may offend some.Too many years in the oilfield! Though occasionally, for some “special“ people it is intended......unapologetically! memtb
Nope, never had a lease so never lost one. One reason I'd never want to move to Texas or any State that didn't have plenty of public land. I'd never be able to afford the rediculous lease fee's so would never be able to hunt
Amen! If it ever comes down to having to pay for a lease to hunt I'm gonna quit hunting. I've made a lifetime out of hunting for free.
Here’s this clown calling “me” a troll, when it is him who is trolling by searching my posting history, so he can go directly to another man’s thread, where I tried to help him, and this troll disrupts it, so he can “troll” me….yet he has the gall to accuse me of being a troll….just like all of the other mentally sick mental midgets in this thread accusing me of being a troll.
That is what you get on this site trying to be helpful. All you get is polesmoker’s friends trolling me, all over this site. That is all I have had from the day ole polesmoker trolled me back last September, when he, again, inserted himself into a conversation and attacked me, just to start arguing with me. And now ever since I humiliated his azz, every swinging troll dic friend of his on this site thinks they have the mental weight to out wit me, and I love grinding these troll's noses across the concrete for the world to see just how mentally sick they are.
Here’s this clown calling “me” a troll, when it is him who is trolling by searching my posting history, so he can go directly to another man’s thread, where I tried to help him, and this troll disrupts it, so he can “troll” me….yet he has the gall to accuse me of being a troll….just like all of the other mentally sick mental midgets in this thread accusing me of being a troll.
That is what you get on this site trying to be helpful. All you get is polesmoker’s friends trolling me, all over this site. That is all I have had from the day ole polesmoker trolled me back last September, when he, again, inserted himself into a conversation and attacked me, just to start arguing with me. And now ever since I humiliated his azz, every swinging troll dic friend of his on this site thinks they have the mental weight to out wit me, and I love grinding these troll's noses across the concrete for the world to see just how mentally sick they are.
Here’s this clown calling “me” a troll, when it is him who is trolling by searching my posting history, so he can go directly to another man’s thread, where I tried to help him, and this troll disrupts it, so he can “troll” me….yet he has the gall to accuse me of being a troll….just like all of the other mentally sick mental midgets in this thread accusing me of being a troll.
That is what you get on this site trying to be helpful. All you get is polesmoker’s friends trolling me, all over this site. That is all I have had from the day ole polesmoker trolled me back last September, when he, again, inserted himself into a conversation and attacked me, just to start arguing with me. And now ever since I humiliated his azz, every swinging troll dic friend of his on this site thinks they have the mental weight to out wit me, and I love grinding these troll's noses across the concrete for the world to see just how mentally sick they are.
Here’s this clown calling “me” a troll, when it is him who is trolling by searching my posting history, so he can go directly to another man’s thread, where I tried to help him, and this troll disrupts it, so he can “troll” me….yet he has the gall to accuse me of being a troll….just like all of the other mentally sick mental midgets in this thread accusing me of being a troll.
That is what you get on this site trying to be helpful. All you get is polesmoker’s friends trolling me, all over this site. That is all I have had from the day ole polesmoker trolled me back last September, when he, again, inserted himself into a conversation and attacked me, just to start arguing with me. And now ever since I humiliated his azz, every swinging troll dic friend of his on this site thinks they have the mental weight to out wit me, and I love grinding these troll's noses across the concrete for the world to see just how mentally sick they are.
That is all I have had from the day ole polesmoker trolled me back last September, when he, again, inserted himself into a conversation and attacked me, just to start arguing with me. And now ever since I humiliated his azz, every swinging troll dic friend of his on this site thinks they have the mental weight to out wit me, and I love grinding these troll's noses across the concrete for the world to see just how mentally sick they are.
I find it funny that some Floridian "Mr. Mom" has the nerve to call anyone else a queer as he lets his wife bring home the bacon and is the boss of his house. You probably wear her panties also although I am sure you are such a little puss that you would never tell her. Able bodied men work and support their families and don't stay at home and sponge off the wife. Also funny are the guys from the Pacific Northwest thinking they have the right to attack anyone. They live in such $hithole States and probably always will. How typically liberal. "We are right and everyone else is wrong. You have to do things the way we want of you are wrong. Period". Sound familiar? Ya'll are all a bunch of whiney a$$ self important bitches that I will add to my ignore list since I have no tolerance for the likes of ya'll. Bunch of pathetic losers. I wouldn't put up with your crap around a real camp fire and I darn sure won't here.
Geezz Texasbatshit, calm down and take your meds. Ya might just try to imagine that not EVERYONE in the Great Pacific Northwest is a screaming liberal. In fact, I am about as far right as you can get without going to jail.
You gonna answer my questions? I posted them 7 hours ago and still no answer.
Sandbilly, got a few questions for you.... just want your opinion. You've stated that sitting over corn is not hunting, and that's ok with me. What exactly is your definition of 'hunting?
If you're watching a field that has been harvested such as corn or peanuts, is that deer hunting? What about sitting in the woods and watching White Oak or Over Cup acorn trees, is that deer hunting? What if you're sitting and watching a trail in the woods where deer walk, is that hunting? What about running deer with dogs and waiting (being a stander) at a place where you hope the deer will come by you, is that hunting? What if you are running deer with dogs and instead of using standers, you ride horses in the woods in an attempt to get a deer, is that hunting? What about men making a drive and using standers, is that deer hunting? What about climbing a tree to wait for deer, is that hunting? What if you use a mechanical device to climb the tree and make it more comfortable to sit there, is that deer hunting? Is using a modern rifle with a scope and practicing where you can make kills at 200+ yds, instead of using a weapon, such as a bow and arrow, where you have to get within 20-30 yds, is that deer hunting? Is taking advantage of modern equipment and practices deer hunting? Is using scents and calls of any kind, deer hunting?
You gonna answer my questions? I posted them 7 hours ago and still no answer.
Sandbilly, got a few questions for you.... just want your opinion. You've stated that sitting over corn is not hunting, and that's ok with me. What exactly is your definition of 'hunting?
If you're watching a field that has been harvested such as corn or peanuts, is that deer hunting? What about sitting in the woods and watching White Oak or Over Cup acorn trees, is that deer hunting? What if you're sitting and watching a trail in the woods where deer walk, is that hunting? What about running deer with dogs and waiting (being a stander) at a place where you hope the deer will come by you, is that hunting? What if you are running deer with dogs and instead of using standers, you ride horses in the woods in an attempt to get a deer, is that hunting? What about men making a drive and using standers, is that deer hunting? What about climbing a tree to wait for deer, is that hunting? What if you use a mechanical device to climb the tree and make it more comfortable to sit there, is that deer hunting? Is using a modern rifle with a scope and practicing where you can make kills at 200+ yds, instead of using a weapon, such as a bow and arrow, where you have to get within 20-30 yds, is that deer hunting? Is taking advantage of modern equipment and practices deer hunting? Is using scents and calls of any kind, deer hunting?
I'd just like your opinion, if you dont mind.
If you read the thread you’d have your answer. I’m not your mother.
You gonna answer my questions? I posted them 7 hours ago and still no answer.
Sandbilly, got a few questions for you.... just want your opinion. You've stated that sitting over corn is not hunting, and that's ok with me. What exactly is your definition of 'hunting?
If you're watching a field that has been harvested such as corn or peanuts, is that deer hunting? What about sitting in the woods and watching White Oak or Over Cup acorn trees, is that deer hunting? What if you're sitting and watching a trail in the woods where deer walk, is that hunting? What about running deer with dogs and waiting (being a stander) at a place where you hope the deer will come by you, is that hunting? What if you are running deer with dogs and instead of using standers, you ride horses in the woods in an attempt to get a deer, is that hunting? What about men making a drive and using standers, is that deer hunting? What about climbing a tree to wait for deer, is that hunting? What if you use a mechanical device to climb the tree and make it more comfortable to sit there, is that deer hunting? Is using a modern rifle with a scope and practicing where you can make kills at 200+ yds, instead of using a weapon, such as a bow and arrow, where you have to get within 20-30 yds, is that deer hunting? Is taking advantage of modern equipment and practices deer hunting? Is using scents and calls of any kind, deer hunting?
I'd just like your opinion, if you dont mind.
If you read the thread you’d have your answer. I’m not your mother.
You took the bait, again..... like I said before, you're too damn easy!
It's all a matter of where you want to draw the line as to what is "hunting" and what is just killing. Is it hunting when you shoot a squirrel off the wifes birdfeeder ? How about shooting deer out the truck window at night with a spotlight ? Maybe wiring a baitpile with explosives, a surveilance camera and a remote detonator so you can blow up your buck from the comfort of your own living room ? Personally I'd put shooting deer from a blind/stand over a feeder or bait pile in the same category as the above. Killing, not hunting and since shooting deer over bait/feeders is completely illegal in my state It's obvious the majority here feel it's unsportsman like. YMMV.
I find it funny that some Floridian "Mr. Mom" has the nerve to call anyone else a queer as he lets his wife bring home the bacon and is the boss of his house. You probably wear her panties also although I am sure you are such a little puss that you would never tell her. Able bodied men work and support their families and don't stay at home and sponge off the wife. Also funny are the guys from the Pacific Northwest thinking they have the right to attack anyone. They live in such $hithole States and probably always will. How typically liberal. "We are right and everyone else is wrong. You have to do things the way we want of you are wrong. Period". Sound familiar? Ya'll are all a bunch of whiney a$$ self important bitches that I will add to my ignore list since I have no tolerance for the likes of ya'll. Bunch of pathetic losers. I wouldn't put up with your crap around a real camp fire and I darn sure won't here.
Like i said. It’s easy to tell who hunts under bait.
EHNM? I know you don’t, why such a kiss ass?
Never understood fellas sucking internet dick.
I hunted deer in Texas and killed a whitetail buck and doe over corn.
I hunted black bear using dogs on the White Mountain Apache Reservation.
I hunted in South Africa twice.
I also hunted deer and antelope in Wyoming.
All these hunts were fun and I followed the laws in each place. I do not get caught up in how others hunt in their state or country. All I do is follow the laws and enjoy the people,scenery,food,cultures and just have fun.
It’s easy to tell that guilty conscience. Great white hunters like you are a dime a dozen...especially here..
When have I ever implied that I am a "great" hunter?
Enjoy your internet dick.
Just curiosity here. Have you ever hunted deer any other way besides over a feeder/bait ? Spot and stalk, still hunting, tracking or drives ? Any other folks from states where baiting is common practice are welcome to chime in too.
I killed this javelina using an electronic call. Before I did so,I called the G&F Dept in Las Cruces to ask if it was legal to do so and they said "yes,it was legal." Tell you what,that was exciting hearing the javelina grunting coming in to the call.
I killed this javelina using an electronic call. Before I did so,I called the G&F Dept in Las Cruces to ask if it was legal to do so and they said "yes,it was legal." Tell you what,that was exciting hearing the javelina grunting coming in to the call.
It’s easy to tell that guilty conscience. Great white hunters like you are a dime a dozen...especially here..
When have I ever implied that I am a "great" hunter?
Enjoy your internet dick.
Just curiosity here. Have you ever hunted deer any other way besides over a feeder/bait ? Spot and stalk, still hunting, tracking or drives ? IAny other folks from states where baiting is common practice are welcome to chime in too.
Yes, I have, but that was a long time ago when I lived in a place where that style (spot and stalk) of hunting was readily available. Those were my first attempts and I had no guidance, and even less success.
On one of those trips I worked my way up a mountainside in the dark, found a place to sit and wait for sunrise, and as the light began to increase I realized there were elk all around me and I was damned lucky to not get stepped on. Total failure, but a great memory.
Thanks for the reply. I guess I've been fortunate to have been able to utilize all those methods to take deer over the years. They've all been enjoyable and rewarding. Having said that, if I lived in an area where those methods were not available or practical, no doubt you'd find me shooting deer whatever way I could. I like venison, being outdoors and shooting deer too much to stay home just because I couldn't hunt the way I'd prefer.
Thanks for the reply. I guess I've been fortunate to have been able to utilize all those methods to take deer over the years. They've all been enjoyable and rewarding. Having said that, if I lived in an area where those methods were not available or practical, no doubt you'd find me shooting deer whatever way I could. I like venison, being outdoors and shooting deer too much to stay home just because I couldn't hunt the way I'd prefer.
Understood.
I'd dearly love to do the two-week pack trip in Alberta or hunt Browns in the Alaskan interior, or whatever, but I'm a man of limited means and I take what I can get and when I can get it. That said, I can be satisfied just roaming the wide-open deserts of west Texas with a rimfire rifle looking for jackrabbits, sneaking through the North Texas mesquite thickets with a lever gun, or sitting in a box blind with a bolt-action trying to stay awake. I enjoy those times, and if that's as good as it gets for me, then I'm okay with it.
This kind of talk simply divides us all as hunters. We get enough grief and backlash from the anti's. No need to divide ourselves and aid in their efforts.
Nobody says you must hunt inside a fence, from a stand or blind, use a feeder, scents, camo, grunt calls, rattle antlers, use a scoped rifle, muzzle loader, bow, spear or rock. Choose whatever legal method floats your boat.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt. I won't belittle anyone for their chosen legal methods. We should all give each other the same courtesy.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt.
Does this work, and would you recommend this method? The lease I lost last fall had prickly pear and mesquite in great abundance...I'm afraid I may have not taken full advantage of my opportunities while I had it.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt.
Does this work, and would you recommend this method? The lease I lost last fall had prickly pear and mesquite in great abundance...I'm afraid I may have not taken full advantage of my opportunities while I had it.
They sure like saltine crackers. I've had them take those and ritz crackers right out of my hand and chow them down with gusto. The thought did cross my mind that I could easily kill one with a hammer while feeding them crackers.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt.
Does this work, and would you recommend this method? The lease I lost last fall had prickly pear and mesquite in great abundance...I'm afraid I may have not taken full advantage of my opportunities while I had it.
They sure like saltine crackers. I've had them take those and ritz crackers right out of my hand and chow them down with gusto. The thought did cross my mind that I could easily kill one with a hammer while feeding them crackers.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt.
Does this work, and would you recommend this method? The lease I lost last fall had prickly pear and mesquite in great abundance...I'm afraid I may have not taken full advantage of my opportunities while I had it.
They sure like saltine crackers. I've had them take those and ritz crackers right out of my hand and chow them down with gusto. The thought did cross my mind that I could easily kill one with a hammer while feeding them crackers.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt.
Does this work, and would you recommend this method? The lease I lost last fall had prickly pear and mesquite in great abundance...I'm afraid I may have not taken full advantage of my opportunities while I had it.
They sure like saltine crackers. I've had them take those and ritz crackers right out of my hand and chow them down with gusto. The thought did cross my mind that I could easily kill one with a hammer while feeding them crackers.
I’d bet that if you did “hunt” one down like that you could get SCI to score it and record it in the “book”. 😉😂
Lmbo! I would like to see you hunt the area I grew up around in Texas without bait....Briar fortresses and thick oak and mesquite tree stands for miles...Try walking through it without making noise or getting tangled up in the briars...It's dang near impossible...There is a reason in some areas that people hunt in stands over bait...You'd never get close to a whitetail or turkey in some of the places I've hunted in Texas trying to walk and stalk...It is nothing like sitting up high out west and scoping the side of a mountain or drainage below...
'splain me how that would be more difficult than hunting a norther cedar swamp without bait.
I killed this javelina using an electronic call. Before I did so,I called the G&F Dept in Las Cruces to ask if it was legal to do so and they said "yes,it was legal." Tell you what,that was exciting hearing the javelina grunting coming in to the call.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt.
Does this work, and would you recommend this method? The lease I lost last fall had prickly pear and mesquite in great abundance...I'm afraid I may have not taken full advantage of my opportunities while I had it.
They sure like saltine crackers. I've had them take those and ritz crackers right out of my hand and chow them down with gusto. The thought did cross my mind that I could easily kill one with a hammer while feeding them crackers.
That’s not hunting....
It may or it may not be, depending on your own personal concept. The bottom line, though, is that it is universally accepted that hunting success is qualified by possession of an animal's body, which you have intentionally and with design,killed. Why would a hammer not be an acceptable hunting weapon if you happened to be skilled enough to make it work? That's even more impressive, skill-wise, than the guys who use dogs to catch a hog with dogs and stick it in the ribs with a knife.
Yeah...sticking a 400-pound hog in the ribs with a knife...now THAT is hunting. All else is just killing, and anyone who hasn't killed a hog this way is no hunter at all. Bunch of pikers, that's all. Same goes for bear hunting.
Lmbo! I would like to see you hunt the area I grew up around in Texas without bait....Briar fortresses and thick oak and mesquite tree stands for miles...Try walking through it without making noise or getting tangled up in the briars...It's dang near impossible...There is a reason in some areas that people hunt in stands over bait...You'd never get close to a whitetail or turkey in some of the places I've hunted in Texas trying to walk and stalk...It is nothing like sitting up high out west and scoping the side of a mountain or drainage below...
'splain me how that would be more difficult than hunting a norther cedar swamp without bait.
There's places in the lowland woods in the south where you just ain't gonna walk through, period. It's not at all like some of the wooded areas up north and other parts of the country, or western mountainous regions where you can walk where you will provided you can deal with topography.
Lmbo! I would like to see you hunt the area I grew up around in Texas without bait....Briar fortresses and thick oak and mesquite tree stands for miles...Try walking through it without making noise or getting tangled up in the briars...It's dang near impossible...There is a reason in some areas that people hunt in stands over bait...You'd never get close to a whitetail or turkey in some of the places I've hunted in Texas trying to walk and stalk...It is nothing like sitting up high out west and scoping the side of a mountain or drainage below...
'splain me how that would be more difficult than hunting a norther cedar swamp without bait.
There's places in the lowland woods in the south where you just ain't gonna walk through, period. It's not at all like some of the wooded areas up north and other parts of the country, or western mountainous regions where you can walk where you will provided you can deal with topography.
We do have some big clearcuts up here that grow up into a nearly impenetrable maze of blackberry brambles and multifora rose after a few years that are very hard to get through. We usually hunt them by donning briar proof pants/jacket and putting on an organized drive. It is also possible to still hunt through them but it is very laborious and does require the carrying and occasional use of an anvil type pruner to cut yourself loose from the brambles. I've been so tangled up in multiflora thorns that I literally couldn't move and had to cut myself free.
If one of my neighbors with an apple orchard offered to let me hunt deer on his land, I'd take him up on it. I think most would. But if I was lucky enough to bag a big buck that was eating his apples, I'd try not to brag about how great a hunter I was for doing it, that's the rub.
Now I think you're getting just a little too fussy.
That's one reason I decided synthetic stocks were probably useful. When you can use your rifle to beat your way through brush it helps, but there are still places you just can't go. There's woods like that only 100 yards behind my house...I can walk down to the creek if I want to, but I have to take certain paths. The other routes through the trees are clogged with what I call "mutherfugger vine." I don't know or care what it really is, I just know I ain't walkin through it.
Some of the woods in Tennessee and other parts of the south are clogged with kudzu. I'd not want to confront the MFer who can walk through that shiit.
Sandbilly, got a few questions for you.... just want your opinion. You've stated that sitting over corn is not hunting, and that's ok with me. What exactly is your definition of 'hunting?
If you're watching a field that has been harvested such as corn or peanuts, is that deer hunting? What about sitting in the woods and watching White Oak or Over Cup acorn trees, is that deer hunting? What if you're sitting and watching a trail in the woods where deer walk, is that hunting? What about running deer with dogs and waiting (being a stander) at a place where you hope the deer will come by you, is that hunting? What if you are running deer with dogs and instead of using standers, you ride horses in the woods in an attempt to get a deer, is that hunting? What about men making a drive and using standers, is that deer hunting? What about climbing a tree to wait for deer, is that hunting? What if you use a mechanical device to climb the tree and make it more comfortable to sit there, is that deer hunting? Is using a modern rifle with a scope and practicing where you can make kills at 200+ yds, instead of using a weapon, such as a bow and arrow, where you have to get within 20-30 yds, is that deer hunting? Is taking advantage of modern equipment and practices deer hunting? Is using scents and calls of any kind, deer hunting?
Attempting to walk through the thick sheit that is nothing but thorns and briars is a minor issue compared to kicking up the damn rattlers. More concerning in South Texas is running into the illegals (coyotes, drug runners, etc.) out in the brush country.
We're blessed in Michigan to have an abundance of public land to hunt. I rarely hunt private land and i don't bait. I'd rather others didn't bait in the area I hunt because it makes the big boys go nocturnal. You can watch it happen on game cameras. But if it's legal, then so be it. I'll hunt the way I want and others can do whatever it is they do.
Interestingly, baiting is banned starting in 2019 in the Lower. The U.P. can still bait, even though they had a positive case of CWD there. That was supposed to be the trigger to stop baiting immediately. 90% of the U.P. hunters bait. It's big business - the two week deer season is a make or break deal financially for many businesses up there. The DNR backed off it's own decree knowing the impact it would have on the U.P. economy. So all those semis loaded with sugar beets from the LP can keep rolling in the fall.
To the OP, I'm sorry, that sucks to lose your place to hunt - whether you pay for it or not. I imagine if I lived in Texas I'd have to have a lease. There's no way I'd not hunt. I really don't have an opinion on leasing as I've never done it. Now, if someone wanted to invite me down to hunt their lease so's I could render an expert opinion...
SandBilly, according to your theory, all Turkey, Goose and Duck hunters don’t “earn” their game when they call them to them, because that is the same as a deer coming to corn. You’re “baiting” them with a call.
WTF does this even mean? You make no sense at all.
Calling is calling. Period. Duck call, goose call, grunt call, doe bleat.
Baiting is baiting. Corn is food to deer. Corn is food to ducks. Baiting migratory waterfowl (ducks) is a USF&WS Federal offense because it's so effective and is not fair chase.
If you're going to make an argument with these kinds of analogies, know what the phuq you're talking about.
We're blessed in Michigan to have an abundance of public land to hunt. I rarely hunt private land and i don't bait. I'd rather others didn't bait in the area I hunt because it makes the big boys go nocturnal. You can watch it happen on game cameras. But if it's legal, then so be it. I'll hunt the way I want and others can do whatever it is they do.
Interestingly, baiting is banned starting in 2019 in the Lower. The U.P. can still bait, even though they had a positive case of CWD there. That was supposed to be the trigger to stop baiting immediately. 90% of the U.P. hunters bait. It's big business - the two week deer season is a make or break deal financially for many businesses up there. The DNR backed off it's own decree knowing the impact it would have on the U.P. economy. So all those semis loaded with sugar beets from the LP can keep rolling in the fall.
To the OP, I'm sorry, that sucks to lose your place to hunt - whether you pay for it or not. I imagine if I lived in Texas I'd have to have a lease. There's no way I'd not hunt. I really don't have an opinion on leasing as I've never done it. Now, if someone wanted to invite me down to hunt their lease so's I could render an expert opinion...
Baiting is the worst thing that has ever happened to Michigan deer hunting. That's what I told Georgia deer hunters a few years ago when they were considering starting.
I find it funny that some Floridian "Mr. Mom" has the nerve to call anyone else a queer as he lets his wife bring home the bacon and is the boss of his house. You probably wear her panties also although I am sure you are such a little puss that you would never tell her. Able bodied men work and support their families and don't stay at home and sponge off the wife. Also funny are the guys from the Pacific Northwest thinking they have the right to attack anyone. They live in such $hithole States and probably always will. How typically liberal. "We are right and everyone else is wrong. You have to do things the way we want of you are wrong. Period". Sound familiar? Ya'll are all a bunch of whiney a$$ self important bitches that I will add to my ignore list since I have no tolerance for the likes of ya'll. Bunch of pathetic losers. I wouldn't put up with your crap around a real camp fire and I darn sure won't here.
Jim
Damn but Texans are kghunty.
Nope. Just tired of the BS from certain Aholes. Both northeast and northwest. Lot of good folks out there too but I am talking to those who are true blue aholes. They might even be smart enough to know who they are. Though doubtful. Also, please do stay in PA. We sure as hell don't need or want you here. That's YOU personally.
I won't belittle anyone for their chosen legal methods. We should all give each other the same courtesy.
Sure, its legal to shoot shoot them out of a pen too. Ya know, it’s legal and all, so it must be ok..
Just legal hunting..
I’m sure we could sell hunts. We’ll have the “customer” get all geeked up In camo and deer piss. He can belly crawl 20 yards up on that pen and smoke a juiced up deer. We could charge about 30k to shoot out the truck window or 50 for the belly crawl hunt..
What’s sad is dumb [bleep] pretty much already pay to do it. Hunters, they are...
Lmbo! I would like to see you hunt the area I grew up around in Texas without bait....Briar fortresses and thick oak and mesquite tree stands for miles...Try walking through it without making noise or getting tangled up in the briars...It's dang near impossible...There is a reason in some areas that people hunt in stands over bait...You'd never get close to a whitetail or turkey in some of the places I've hunted in Texas trying to walk and stalk...It is nothing like sitting up high out west and scoping the side of a mountain or drainage below...
'splain me how that would be more difficult than hunting a norther cedar swamp without bait.
I couldn't tell you how it would be different. Ive never hunted that environment. I can only tell you it's dang near impossible to sneak up on a very wary and skittish animal like a whitetail walking through the brush in the area I grew up in Texas, and that is why people choose to hunt in stands over bait or they just sit at the edge of a wheat field in the morning or evening..The whitetails around there are like ghosts when they are in the heavy brush and thick stands of trees...You'd be lucky to get close enough to spot them before they are gone...It is relatively flat in most areas, just a few small hills here and there so you don't have many natural high points to get above the trees and glass to look for animals...Most people build super high tower like stands to get above the trees and brush and get a better view...
That grown men feel the need to name call, and condemn methods that other grown men use to hunt a damn deer is pretty sad.
There's also no need to justify how you hunt to any damn body. Not the anti's, and not other hunters.
This has sounded like a 3rd grade big dick contest from the onset.
Some of you need to get off your high horses.
I don’t need to justify [bleep]. It’s not hunting, but some of YOU, need to accept that fact.
I'm sorry you are so easily offended by what your fellow hunters do.
Hell... Who needs the anti's around with YOU among our ranks?
I also am having a very hard time remembering anyone forcing any method of hunting on you? Has that happened?
Did it just now dawn on you that 10's of millions of hunters may put out corn, hunt from blinds, or plant a food plot? Hell, I have clients that hire me to plant food plots every year.
Why are you suddenly so damned offended? Why now? I have another news flash for you, since you are so easily offended... That area you are fixing to move to probably has the highest concentration of deer blinds and feeders within a 100 mile radius that anywhere in the country...
Might think about that. No need to be offended daily is there?
Thanks for the reply. I guess I've been fortunate to have been able to utilize all those methods to take deer over the years. They've all been enjoyable and rewarding. Having said that, if I lived in an area where those methods were not available or practical, no doubt you'd find me shooting deer whatever way I could. I like venison, being outdoors and shooting deer too much to stay home just because I couldn't hunt the way I'd prefer.
Understood.
I'd dearly love to do the two-week pack trip in Alberta or hunt Browns in the Alaskan interior, or whatever, but I'm a man of limited means and I take what I can get and when I can get it. That said, I can be satisfied just roaming the wide-open deserts of west Texas with a rimfire rifle looking for jackrabbits, sneaking through the North Texas mesquite thickets with a lever gun, or sitting in a box blind with a bolt-action trying to stay awake. I enjoy those times, and if that's as good as it gets for me, then I'm okay with it.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt.
Does this work, and would you recommend this method? The lease I lost last fall had prickly pear and mesquite in great abundance...I'm afraid I may have not taken full advantage of my opportunities while I had it.
Would you be attempting this with a single shot ball peen hammer, or a battery powered assault hammer with extended magazine and the shoulder thingy that goes up?
Lmbo! I would like to see you hunt the area I grew up around in Texas without bait....Briar fortresses and thick oak and mesquite tree stands for miles...Try walking through it without making noise or getting tangled up in the briars...It's dang near impossible...There is a reason in some areas that people hunt in stands over bait...You'd never get close to a whitetail or turkey in some of the places I've hunted in Texas trying to walk and stalk...It is nothing like sitting up high out west and scoping the side of a mountain or drainage below...
'splain me how that would be more difficult than hunting a norther cedar swamp without bait.
I couldn't tell you how it would be different. Ive never hunted that environment. I can only tell you it's dang near impossible to sneak up on a very wary and skittish animal like a whitetail walking through the brush in the area I grew up in Texas, and that is why people choose to hunt in stands over bait or they just sit at the edge of a wheat field in the morning or evening..The whitetails around there are like ghosts when they are in the heavy brush and thick stands of trees...You'd be lucky to get close enough to spot them before they are gone...It is relatively flat in most areas, just a few small hills here and there so you don't have many natural high points to get above the trees and glass to look for animals...Most people build super high tower like stands to get above the trees and brush and get a better view...
Sounds like it might work for a deer drive. One or two slow pushers, and a half dozen shooters at likely points. We have one piece of river bottom land between fields and river that gets hunted this way. Otherwise. It's so tangled and overgrown that they are long gone by the time you spot 'em. Done right, a drive produces slow walkers not running deer.
That grown men feel the need to name call, and condemn methods that other grown men use to hunt a damn deer is pretty sad.
There's also no need to justify how you hunt to any damn body. Not the anti's, and not other hunters.
This has sounded like a 3rd grade big dick contest from the onset.
Some of you need to get off your high horses.
I don’t need to justify [bleep]. It’s not hunting, but some of YOU, need to accept that fact.
I'm sorry you are so easily offended by what your fellow hunters do.
Hell... Who needs the anti's around with YOU among our ranks?
I also am having a very hard time remembering anyone forcing any method of hunting on you? Has that happened?
Did it just now dawn on you that 10's of millions of hunters may put out corn, hunt from blinds, or plant a food plot? Hell, I have clients that hire me to plant food plots every year.
Why are you suddenly so damned offended? Why now? I have another news flash for you, since you are so easily offended... That area you are fixing to move to probably has the highest concentration of deer blinds and feeders within a 100 mile radius that anywhere in the country...
Might think about that. No need to be offended daily is there?
I’m not offended, you all are about my opinion. And if you really agreed the way you harvest animals is hunting, you wouldn’t be.
I’m aware how it is where I’m moving. I won’t pay 4K and up to kill something that way. Especially kill something and act like I earned it or pretend it was hunting.
Again, all this is JMO. But like you guys, I’m a hard headed sob too..
I find it funny that some Floridian "Mr. Mom" has the nerve to call anyone else a queer as he lets his wife bring home the bacon and is the boss of his house. You probably wear her panties also although I am sure you are such a little puss that you would never tell her. Able bodied men work and support their families and don't stay at home and sponge off the wife. Also funny are the guys from the Pacific Northwest thinking they have the right to attack anyone. They live in such $hithole States and probably always will. How typically liberal. "We are right and everyone else is wrong. You have to do things the way we want of you are wrong. Period". Sound familiar? Ya'll are all a bunch of whiney a$$ self important bitches that I will add to my ignore list since I have no tolerance for the likes of ya'll. Bunch of pathetic losers. I wouldn't put up with your crap around a real camp fire and I darn sure won't here.
Jim
Damn but Texans are kghunty.
Nope. Just tired of the BS from certain Aholes. Both northeast and northwest. Lot of good folks out there too but I am talking to those who are true blue aholes. They might even be smart enough to know who they are. Though doubtful. Also, please do stay in PA. We sure as hell don't need or want you here. That's YOU personally.
Jim
I'd never be able to tolerate y'alls tender ego's anyhow.
So, you aren't offended, but you call good people names over a hunting method that you don't approve of?
Plus, you seem to want other people to be forced to accept that your opinion of someone else's method isn't hunting.
Your harsh words, name calling, and language seems to imply you are very offended.
You keep saying stuff like:.... "if you really agreed the way you harvest animals is hunting, you wouldn’t be."
How do you know how I hunt?
This past year, I did indeed put together a deer feeder and hammer together a blind. I also feed corn at other places on the ranch here besides that place. I feed deer corn, mineral, and have even put in oats here.
The season this past fall I killed one deer. Killed it while still hunting. Actually shot it offhand at about 125 yards.
Does that meet your stringent ethics requirement?
I feed all sorts of wildlife. I got that feeder so that I don't have to carry corn to where it's located every single day. If it's okay with you, I will probably kill as many wild hogs off of that feeder as I can. Furthermore, if I am watching that feeder and a cull buck comes up there, MAY shoot it too. Or if my grandson is with me, I MAY let him.
Here he is with a hog that he shot under one of those evil feeders at my brothers ranch not far from where you are moving to in Llano County. Notice the evil corn still on the ground...
I'm sure you would enjoy meeting him and informing him that what he did wasn't hunting.
I hope that AR15 doesn't offend you. I gave it to my son. It doesn't offend him or my grandkids much. They kill most of what they eat with it.
The buck I shot, I got with my AR10 .308. It had a 10 round magazine. I'm sure some hunters here will be offended by that as well.
Actually, I really don't give a damn who is offended by how myself, my family, or my friends hunt. I do think that to condemn and ridicule people for doing something different than they do is pretty silly.
Stalk naked through the mesquite and prickly pear and use your bare hands, or an oatmeal raisin cookie in one hand and a ball-peen hammer in the other, if that's how you want to hunt.
Does this work, and would you recommend this method? The lease I lost last fall had prickly pear and mesquite in great abundance...I'm afraid I may have not taken full advantage of my opportunities while I had it.
Would you be attempting this with a single shot ball peen hammer, or a battery powered assault hammer with extended magazine and the shoulder thingy that goes up?
Ya know, it could well be that if the old timers saw all the stuff we use to take game in this day and age---and I'm talking about fine optics, hot dog rounds like the Ultra Mags, high-tech rifles, GPS, and all that stuff, they might say "that ain't hunting!"
Draw the lines for yourself as you see fit, as long as it's legal, and enjoy. Allow others the same luxury, and try not to criticize and divide. We don't need that, we need to stick together.
Ya know, it could well be that if the old timers saw all the stuff we use to take game in this day and age---and I'm talking about fine optics, hot dog rounds like the Ultra Mags, high-tech rifles, GPS, and all that stuff, they might say "that ain't hunting!"
Outside of the campfire, not as many folks use those things as you'd think. I've killed most of my deer over the years with a pair of lever action .30-30's. One scoped and one iron sighted. I do own a gps but have never used it, a Christmas gift from a well meaning aunt years ago. I've never used a game cam in my life and the only magnum rifle in my inventory is a .22 rimfire magnum. Hell my best friend and life long hunting partner kills more deer than CWD and still uses an old Mossberg slug gun most of the time.
I see the internet badasses are still struggling for significance. Rick is brilliant for letting it go on though...it gives them a place to go, away from the grownups.
Ya know, it could well be that if the old timers saw all the stuff we use to take game in this day and age---and I'm talking about fine optics, hot dog rounds like the Ultra Mags, high-tech rifles, GPS, and all that stuff, they might say "that ain't hunting!"
Outside of the campfire, not as many folks use those things as you'd think. I've killed most of my deer over the years with a pair of lever action .30-30's. One scoped and one iron sighted. I do own a gps but have never used it, a Christmas gift from a well meaning aunt years ago. I've never used a game cam in my life and the only magnum rifle in my inventory is a .22 rimfire magnum. Hell my best friend and life long hunting partner kills more deer than CWD and still uses an old Mossberg slug gun most of the time.
Nothing would surprise me. I'm sure there are guys out there who have used only muzzle loaders, and I'm sure there are guys who wouldn't use anything but a 14-pound tacti-cool with a 20x FFP mil/mil scope. Different strokes for different folks.
I find it funny that some Floridian "Mr. Mom" has the nerve to call anyone else a queer as he lets his wife bring home the bacon and is the boss of his house. You probably wear her panties also although I am sure you are such a little puss that you would never tell her. Able bodied men work and support their families and don't stay at home and sponge off the wife. Also funny are the guys from the Pacific Northwest thinking they have the right to attack anyone. They live in such $hithole States and probably always will. How typically liberal. "We are right and everyone else is wrong. You have to do things the way we want of you are wrong. Period". Sound familiar? Ya'll are all a bunch of whiney a$$ self important bitches that I will add to my ignore list since I have no tolerance for the likes of ya'll. Bunch of pathetic losers. I wouldn't put up with your crap around a real camp fire and I darn sure won't here.
Jim
Damn but Texans are kghunty.
Nope. Just tired of the BS from certain Aholes. Both northeast and northwest. Lot of good folks out there too but I am talking to those who are true blue aholes. They might even be smart enough to know who they are. Though doubtful. Also, please do stay in PA. We sure as hell don't need or want you here. That's YOU personally.
Jim
Is a Texas Batman similar to Special Olympics Batman?
As I posted earlier, I don't put out corn, because it's a waste of my money to do so here. There's just too much other food for the deer to eat, and I've never seen a benefit. If I lived somewhere else, I might think differently about it.
As far as other things go, we all have our likes and dislikes. I prefer hunting with a bolt action rifle, others like levers, pumps, or AR's.......and I've used all of those at one time or another. I used to bow hunt, and killed several deer with a bow, but don't hunt now because of shoulder problems. Personally, I think bow hunters lose a lot of the deer that they shoot, and don't admit to it. I also can't get real excited about hunting with a muzzleloader, as it's gone from the primitive kind of hunting that it once was, to using rifles that do not fit the muzzleloader/black powder definition IMO. I'll admit that I had more fun hunting with my open sighted Hawken style rifle, as I do my scoped black powder rifle that will shoot accurately out to 200 yards.
Also, it's the same way with deer stands. I built the first tree stand in my part of the country when I was a 15 year old kid. Nobody around here had heard of anyone nailing planks to a tree in order to sit in and wait for a deer to come by. I went from that to using the climbing stands, where if you let that climber slide off your feet, you were left hanging to that tree......and I know how it felt. I went from building ladder stands out of wood, so heavy it took a tractor to move it into location, to using the lightweight metal ones today. These days, I mostly hunt out of my elevated shooting house, totally enclosed, and have a propane heater to keep warm. I have froze my azz off enough, and don't have a desire to sit out in a tree, in the wet and cold......but I have, many, many times.
While I was once all about killing something, I've reached a stage in my life when it's more important to me for the grandkids to do the shooting, with me just along for the ride. That's just me, others may see it differently. But, I don't think you should knock another guy's method, as long as they're legal. Yes, some of it may be unethical, and sooner or later, it'll catch up with him, and he'll have to pay the price, it usually does. The best thing is to just do what you think is best for you, and don't worry about the other guy.
I find it funny that some Floridian "Mr. Mom" has the nerve to call anyone else a queer as he lets his wife bring home the bacon and is the boss of his house. You probably wear her panties also although I am sure you are such a little puss that you would never tell her. Able bodied men work and support their families and don't stay at home and sponge off the wife. Also funny are the guys from the Pacific Northwest thinking they have the right to attack anyone. They live in such $hithole States and probably always will. How typically liberal. "We are right and everyone else is wrong. You have to do things the way we want of you are wrong. Period". Sound familiar? Ya'll are all a bunch of whiney a$$ self important bitches that I will add to my ignore list since I have no tolerance for the likes of ya'll. Bunch of pathetic losers. I wouldn't put up with your crap around a real camp fire and I darn sure won't here.
Jim
Damn but Texans are kghunty.
Nope. Just tired of the BS from certain Aholes. Both northeast and northwest. Lot of good folks out there too but I am talking to those who are true blue aholes. They might even be smart enough to know who they are. Though doubtful. Also, please do stay in PA. We sure as hell don't need or want you here. That's YOU personally.
Jim
I'd never be able to tolerate y'alls tender ego's anyhow.
Like we would really give a rats behind. Lucky us.
I find it funny that some Floridian "Mr. Mom" has the nerve to call anyone else a queer as he lets his wife bring home the bacon and is the boss of his house. You probably wear her panties also although I am sure you are such a little puss that you would never tell her. Able bodied men work and support their families and don't stay at home and sponge off the wife. Also funny are the guys from the Pacific Northwest thinking they have the right to attack anyone. They live in such $hithole States and probably always will. How typically liberal. "We are right and everyone else is wrong. You have to do things the way we want of you are wrong. Period". Sound familiar? Ya'll are all a bunch of whiney a$$ self important bitches that I will add to my ignore list since I have no tolerance for the likes of ya'll. Bunch of pathetic losers. I wouldn't put up with your crap around a real camp fire and I darn sure won't here.
Jim
Damn but Texans are kghunty.
Nope. Just tired of the BS from certain Aholes. Both northeast and northwest. Lot of good folks out there too but I am talking to those who are true blue aholes. They might even be smart enough to know who they are. Though doubtful. Also, please do stay in PA. We sure as hell don't need or want you here. That's YOU personally.
Jim
Is a Texas Batman similar to Special Olympics Batman?
I've said all along: during the upcoming CWII a firefight will falter because our side stands up to start arguing about beans/or not for the chili supper that night.
I've said all along: during the upcoming CWII a firefight will falter because our side stands up to start arguing about beans/or not for the chili supper that night.
I feel blessed that we have our own land in the family for hunting. Gives a place for my father, myself and my kids to go and hunt. I try to take out some new hunters every year, just to get them into the sport and interested.
I killed this javelina using an electronic call. Before I did so,I called the G&F Dept in Las Cruces to ask if it was legal to do so and they said "yes,it was legal." Tell you what,that was exciting hearing the javelina grunting coming in to the call.
Did you read this thread?
Not all of it.
Sheee it. I knew there was something wrong. I did, in a fit of forgetfullness that after 3 pages we just skip to the last page and post whatever we want anyhow.
Lots of definitions there, all over the place. One of them references the Brits, apparently some of whom consider hunting to be the chasing of foxes and such with dogs and horses. Killing game with guns is called shooting in some circles there.
I've sat/stood in a tree stand watching trails in NW PA, it wasn't fun and it was downright cold one morning, even with an insulated suit and pac boots on. I've sat alongside logs/rocks watching trails and it was about as much fun as the ones in PA. I've sat watching waterholes in the desert SW too.
I'd likely have been diagnosed with ADD or some sh--t when I was kid, but that didn't happen then. I have a hard time sitting for hours anywhere and keeping concentration. So I mostly still hunt, or stop and glass for a bit. After an hour of that stuff, without seeing much, I'm going for a walk.
Now, If I was invited to a hunt in TX out of a box blind over the mesquite thickets, I'd probably take someone up on it..............assuming that if I didn't see anything after a while, even a pig or cull buck, I might have to go on a walkabout and check out the scenery, look for tracks, birds, javelina, snakes and coatis.
Everyone "hunt" they way they want, as long as you're not in a 1/2 acre enclosure with a high fence stocked with the "game animal" of the day. I believe in fair chase, and if you're hunting from a blind and the critters can decide not to walk in front of your porthole, so be it.
Geno
PS what the heck is with this language problem we have here. Sit and set are two different words. I set crap on a table, I set up a stand or blind. I sit in a chair or I sit and watch for deer. Criminy, y'all needs t' lern t' speek.
Geezus, now we've got all the internet ninnies on here cryin' bout how sad it is we argue. Sound like a buncha old ladies. Grow a fuggin set would ya ? ya'll are makin' me sick.
It’s exciting waiting for your feeder to go off. I have two to three by my stands. You can see the big green feeder at 225 yards, another you can’t see hanging in live oak tree about a hundred yards below. There is another one hundred yards behind me.
Nope, I’ve thought about it a whole lot. A young teenager killed a 10 point that scored 180 down the hill from my house, probably about 600 yards from my house. Killed it with a 410 slug. People feed them in the neighborhood, corn, protein, sweet feed, all kinds of stuff. Neighbors had an orphan, his first set of antlers were 8 points. They will get big with good food.
I’m in the city, against the law. I could ease out in the woods(I’m on the edge of city limit) set up off the trail they use to come in my yard. Is that real hunting?
I set a tripod up at the lease on trails or places where they come through the fence sometimes. I bow hunt a good bit that way. Is that real hunting?
I’m in the city, against the law. I could ease out in the woods(I’m on the edge of city limit) set up off the trail they use to come in my yard. Is that real hunting?
I set a tripod up at the lease on trails or places where they come through the fence sometimes. I bow hunt a good bit that way. Is that real hunting?
If I had deer close to my house, I'd put a feeder right outside my shop so I wouldn't have to drag it very far to hang it and field dress it.....
I feed corn a hundred yards off my front patio.
1) To watch the deer.
2) To kill those damn hogs.
I have motion activated solar lights out there. Those hogs get lit up, and I lay the wood to 'em! Not sure how many I've killed at night shooting off the hood of my truck on hogs lit up feeding there. Probably 50 or more.... Unethical non hunting bastid that I am.
If I had deer close to my house, I'd put a feeder right outside my shop so I wouldn't have to drag it very far to hang it and field dress it.....
I feed corn a hundred yards off my front patio.
1) To watch the deer.
2) To kill those damn hogs.
I have motion activated solar lights out there. Those hogs get lit up, and I lay the wood to 'em! Not sure how many I've killed at night shooting off the hood of my truck on hogs lit up feeding there. Probably 50 or more.... Unethical non hunting bastid that I am.
I’d do that too. All day long, but I wouldn’t say I was hunting.
If I had deer close to my house, I'd put a feeder right outside my shop so I wouldn't have to drag it very far to hang it and field dress it.....
I feed corn a hundred yards off my front patio.
1) To watch the deer.
2) To kill those damn hogs.
I have motion activated solar lights out there. Those hogs get lit up, and I lay the wood to 'em! Not sure how many I've killed at night shooting off the hood of my truck on hogs lit up feeding there. Probably 50 or more.... Unethical non hunting bastid that I am.
That's not hunting to me. It's pest control. Same as when I shoot woodchucks outta my garden.
If I had deer close to my house, I'd put a feeder right outside my shop so I wouldn't have to drag it very far to hang it and field dress it.....
I feed corn a hundred yards off my front patio.
1) To watch the deer.
2) To kill those damn hogs.
I have motion activated solar lights out there. Those hogs get lit up, and I lay the wood to 'em! Not sure how many I've killed at night shooting off the hood of my truck on hogs lit up feeding there. Probably 50 or more.... Unethical non hunting bastid that I am.
I’d do that too. All day long, but I wouldn’t say I was hunting.
Neither would I (nor most everyone else I know here in Texas), but don't care if others do.
There's a lot of things and behaviors I don't agree with in this world, but as long as it's legal and doesn't adversely affect me or mine... I don't give a sheit.
A hunting license is required of any person (resident or nonresident), of any age, to hunt any animal, bird, frog or turtle in this state, except the following:
coyotes, if the coyotes are attacking, about to attack, or have recently attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowl. depredating feral hogs, if a landowner (resident or non- resident) or landowner’s agent or lessee is taking feral hogs causing depredation on the landowner’s land. fur-bearing animals, if the hunter possesses a commercial trapper’s license. depredating fur-bearing animals, if a landowner (resident or non-resident) or landowner’s agent is taking fur-bearing animals causing depredation on the landowner’s land. No portion of the nuisance fur-bearer may be possessed, sold or retained for any purpose.
"But Mr. Warden, I wasn't hunting deer. I was killing over corn. I don't need no license for that, right?"
Me, slumlord and sandbilly. Gonna go do this !!!! 25 bucks a day boat rental on a private lake. Buy your own shells and gas. Steel shot of course, #6,s work best. None of us wanna harm Donald and friends. We are all captain planet nazi warriors.
Just checking in again and making sure sandbilly is making lasting internet friendships.
Me, slumlord and sandbilly. Gonna go do this !!!! 25 bucks a day boat rental on a private lake. Buy your own shells and gas. Steel shot of course, #6,s work best. None of us wanna harm Donald and friends. We are all captain planet nazi warriors.
Just checking in again and making sure sandbilly is making lasting internet friendships.
Oh, Ren, lots of friends here. You say when, we’ll [bleep] it up..
I've heard tales of people out in the sandhills of W. Texas and New Mexico driving down dirt road until they cross deer tracks.
They study newer tracks and make an estimation of how good the buck may or may not be, then get out and track the buck until they get a shot.
An ethical hunter sure wouldn't be using a 4x4 pickup to do that with. Horse would do fine. Not Hunting!
Those scoped, high velocity, repeating rifles are unsportsmanlike as well. You need a flintlock. Not Hunting!
Be sure and don't carry shooting sticks. It gives you an unfair advantage! Not Hunting!
Now... On to "Fishing" Ol' TxJag and myself took a couple of burlap bags of soured grain out and tied them up to a tree stump in a lake a couple years ago.
I've heard tales of people out in the sandhills of W. Texas and New Mexico driving down dirt road until they cross deer tracks.
They study newer tracks and make an estimation of how good the buck may or may not be, then get out and track the buck until they get a shot.
An ethical hunter sure wouldn't be using a 4x4 pickup to do that with. Horse would do fine. Not Hunting!
Those scoped, high velocity, repeating rifles are unsportsmanlike as well. You need a flintlock. Not Hunting!
Be sure and don't carry shooting sticks. It gives you an unfair advantage! Not Hunting!
Now... On to "Fishing" Ol' TxJag and myself took a couple of burlap bags of soured grain out and tied them up to a tree stump in a lake a couple years ago.
Wow, last time I heard someone whine and cry about what someone else was doing was at my daughter's 7th grade slumber party. I think one of the other girls didn't like my daughter's curling iron.
Wow, last time I heard someone whine and cry about what someone else was doing was at my daughter's 7th grade slumber party. I think one of the other girls didn't like my daughter's curling iron.
Agreed. But I'm confused. I thought the woods in Texas were too thick to do any easin' through 'em ?
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The woods are thick with yaupon, you might be able to see 50 yards in places. I’ve killed deer sitting on the ground in the piney woods with no corn out to stop them for a shot. Is that real hunting??
Summer before last I had both knees replaced. Hurt like hades for a while and couldn't walk very well. I had cabin fever really bad, so my buddy/landowner came by one day and picked me up, put my wounded azzzz in the back of a Polaris Ranger in a high seat, gave me my rifle and a box of ammo. He drove me around, I whacked 8 pigs in 3 hours and didn't budge from the seat of that Ranger. He retrieved them, I kept shooting, we both had a blast.
Was I hunting? I know one thing..... I forgot to get SB's permission.
Summer before last I had both knees replaced. Hurt like hades for a while and couldn't walk very well. I had cabin fever really bad, so my buddy/landowner came by one day and picked me up, put my wounded azzzz in the back of a Polaris Ranger in a high seat, gave me my rifle and a box of ammo. He drove me around, I whacked 8 pigs in 3 hours and didn't budge from the seat of that Ranger. He retrieved them, I kept shooting, we both had a blast.
Was I hunting? I know one thing..... I forgot to get SB's permission.
Yeah, ok. I know who the vaginas are. The truth is eating at you, isn’t it?
I admit the truth IS eating at me.
The fact that there is division among our ranks condemning other hunters for hunting the way they see fit in a legal setting.
I'm very ashamed to admit the truth of the matter is that we have people among us stupid enough to do so, not to mention being a complete condescending prick while doing so.
That behavior is very disturbing. Especially when free grown men are exercising their freedom to do what the fug they want on property they won or pay for the right to hunt on.
It's EXACTLY like the snowflakes telling is we don't need this gun, or that gun. Or a magazine that holds 20 rounds. Or fire semi-auto.
Yeah, ok. I know who the vaginas are. The truth is eating at you, isn’t it?
I admit the truth IS eating at me.
The fact that there is division among our ranks condemning other hunters for hunting the way they see fit in a legal setting.
I'm very ashamed to admit the truth of the matter is that we have people among us stupid enough to do so, not to mention being a complete condescending prick while doing so.
That behavior is very disturbing. Especially when free grown men are exercising their freedom to do what the fug they want on property they won or pay for the right to hunt on.
It's EXACTLY like the snowflakes telling is we don't need this gun, or that gun. Or a magazine that holds 20 rounds. Or fire semi-auto.
Who needs enemies when we have friends like that?
Hmm, ok. I’ll tell you I’ll shoot game like that, for the meat. But I’ll never say I was hunting or brag about it. And I’ll damn sure never pay 4K to do it.
Agreed. But I'm confused. I thought the woods in Texas were too thick to do any easin' through 'em ?
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The woods are thick with yaupon, you might be able to see 50 yards in places. I’ve killed deer sitting on the ground in the piney woods with no corn out to stop them for a shot. Is that real hunting??
You can see 50 yards in places ? Sounds just like the places I still hunt every year. If you shot some deer in the woods without bait, yeah, that's hunting. Get used to it and you Texans might get some respect.
Hmm, ok. I’ll tell you I’ll shoot game like that, for the meat. But I’ll never say I was hunting or brag about it. And I’ll damn sure never pay 4K to do it.
As I said earlier, I don't remember anyone forcing you to do anything you want.
But by the same token, I think a grown man shouldn't be condemned for do as they wish.
This may come as a surprise to you, but there are people that enjoy hunting like that. They don't have to hump a pack over high mountains to get some satisfaction from hunting. And sometimes shooting a few meat deer for the freezer doesn't have to be too involved either.
Free men ought to have the right to do things as they want to do them.
It doesn't help to publicly condemn and ridicule people for doing another version of what you do yourself. Division among our ranks has given us more damn gun control and democrat politicians than we can shake a stick at.
Hmm, ok. I’ll tell you I’ll shoot game like that, for the meat. But I’ll never say I was hunting or brag about it. And I’ll damn sure never pay 4K to do it.
As I said earlier, I don't remember anyone forcing you to do anything you want.
But by the same token, I think a grown man shouldn't be condemned for do as they wish.
This may come as a surprise to you, but there are people that enjoy hunting like that. They don't have to hump a pack over high mountains to get some satisfaction from hunting. And sometimes shooting a few meat deer for the freezer doesn't have to be too involved either.
Free men ought to have the right to do things as they want to do them.
It doesn't help to publicly condemn and ridicule people for doing another version of what you do yourself. Division among our ranks has given us more damn gun control and democrat politicians than we can shake a stick at.
Agreed. But I'm confused. I thought the woods in Texas were too thick to do any easin' through 'em ?
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The woods are thick with yaupon, you might be able to see 50 yards in places. I’ve killed deer sitting on the ground in the piney woods with no corn out to stop them for a shot. Is that real hunting??
You can see 50 yards in places ? Sounds just like the places I still hunt every year. If you shot some deer in the woods without bait, yeah, that's hunting. Get used to it and you Texans might get some respect.
Lots of us Texans hunt that way. During bow season the deer don’t hardly come to the feeders. You have to hunt the live oak trees to kill deer. I move a tripods around to try and get a shot. I guess that’s real hunting???
The woods are thick with yaupon, you might be able to see 50 yards in places. I’ve killed deer sitting on the ground in the piney woods with no corn out to stop them for a shot. Is that real hunting??
You can see 50 yards in places ? Sounds just like the places I still hunt every year. If you shot some deer in the woods without bait, yeah, that's hunting. Get used to it and you Texans might get some respect.
Lots of us Texans hunt that way. During bow season the deer don’t hardly come to the feeders. You have to hunt the live oak trees to kill deer. I move a tripods around to try and get a shot. I guess that’s real hunting???
Then why use feeders at all ? It's considered unsportsmanlike to use bait here and akin to poaching with spot lights at night.
I wouldnt call shooing a deer under a feeder real hunting but on many smaller properties if you dont use a feeder the deer will be drawn to a neighbors place and shot. A lot of central Texas properties of 200 acres can produce for harvest/shooting/eating 10 deer a year, easily.
Folks can let their kids and grandkids get them or the neighbors grandkids will.
Fishin and huntin is two different things obviously.
I'm curious, how so?
One of the funniest things that ever happened to me one time was when I was walking in the parking lot after a day of fishing. I walked beside a guy putting in at the ramp in a $100,000 bass boat, carrying a minnow bucket in one hand and a stringer full of small mouth bass in the other! Never seen a grown man act in such a way!
There is very little public land in Nebraska, so if you don't own land or have access to land owned by family or friends, you're pretty much SOL
I grew up hunting in ME, NH, and VT where, at that time, any land that wasn't specifically posted was assumed to be open for hunting. My Parents owned around 250 acres and the only part that was off limit to hunting was the area in and around the high fenced apple orchard and the 5 acres around the house, barn, and out-buildings. My Parents were pro-hunting, but they didn't allow vehicles to go off-road on the land and there were always more than a little pissed when they found that someone had trespassed to cut firewood or Christmas trees.
Probably hunting a pecan tree or a live oak is unethical too.
If you uproot the fugger and put it in a convenient clearing under your shooting house yes. Which is exactly what a Texan would probably do. Get off your dead ass and go find where the deer are naturally feeding {that's called "scouting" and takes what we call "woodsmanship"} and no. That would be hunting.
Probably hunting a pecan tree or a live oak is unethical too.
If you uproot the fugger and put it in a convenient clearing under your shooting house yes. Which is exactly what a Texan would probably do. Get off your dead ass and go find where the deer are naturally feeding {that's called "scouting" and takes what we call "woodsmanship"} and no. That would be hunting.
It’s easier to move a tripod near a tree that has food the deer are feeding on.
Is road hunting in Colorado and Arizona considered hunting because I know people that are from (grew up in both places) that have done it and had success on elk and deer....Shoot Ive shot an elk legally in Arizona right off a state highway. Just stepped off the highway a few feet according to the az game and fish regs and blasted it while it was standing on state land...Tagged it and bagged it....I didnt feel like I was Danielle Boone, Davey Crockett, or Jeremiah Johnson because I killed a dumb elk that chose to eat by the highway. How is it any different than blasting a whitetail under the feeder for you mountain men?
It ain't no different. Both are just killing. Killing and hunting are not the same thing. I thought we covered that already pages ago ? You really think baiting and blasting shyt out the window on the side of the highway makes us look like sportsmen to the non hunting {not anti hunting, just non hunting} public ? I sure don't.
Probably hunting a pecan tree or a live oak is unethical too.
If you uproot the fugger and put it in a convenient clearing under your shooting house yes. Which is exactly what a Texan would probably do. Get off your dead ass and go find where the deer are naturally feeding {that's called "scouting" and takes what we call "woodsmanship"} and no. That would be hunting.
It’s easier to move a tripod near a tree that has food the deer are feeding on.
Whatever makes it easier man. Might better just put that corn pile out in your back yard and blast one out the bathroom window while you're takin a shyt. It's all "hunting" right ?
Is road hunting in Colorado and Arizona considered hunting because I know people that are from (grew up in both places) that have done it and had success on elk and deer....Shoot Ive shot an elk legally in Arizona right off a state highway. Just stepped off the highway a few feet according to the az game and fish regs and blasted it while it was standing on state land...Tagged it and bagged it....I didnt feel like I was Danielle Boone, Davey Crockett, or Jeremiah Johnson because I killed a dumb elk that chose to eat by the highway. How is it any different than blasting a whitetail under the feeder for you mountain men?
It ain't no different. Both are just killing. Killing and hunting are not the same thing. I thought we covered that already pages ago ? You really think baiting and blasting shyt out the window on the side of the highway makes us look like sportsmen to the non hunting {not anti hunting, just non hunting} public ? I sure don't.
I didn't blast it out the window. I did it legally according to the regs in AZ....I was off the road several yards from my truck on the same side of the highway the elk was on...my truck was already a good 50 to 75 yards from the main road where I parked it and I walked several yards further away from the highway from the truck before I shot. I didnt shoot across the highway or from my truck....I know several people in AZ and Colorado that have done the same. How does it make you any less of a sportsman if you are following the laws in your state?
Whatever makes it easier man. Might better just put that corn pile out in your back yard and blast one out the bathroom window while you're takin a shyt. It's all "hunting" right ?
Every rednecks' 'dream hunt' right there: dump a deer while taking a dump and crack open a Budweiser on the way out of the bathroom.
Is road hunting in Colorado and Arizona considered hunting because I know people that are from (grew up in both places) that have done it and had success on elk and deer....Shoot Ive shot an elk legally in Arizona right off a state highway. Just stepped off the highway a few feet according to the az game and fish regs and blasted it while it was standing on state land...Tagged it and bagged it....I didnt feel like I was Danielle Boone, Davey Crockett, or Jeremiah Johnson because I killed a dumb elk that chose to eat by the highway. How is it any different than blasting a whitetail under the feeder for you mountain men?
It ain't no different. Both are just killing. Killing and hunting are not the same thing. I thought we covered that already pages ago ? You really think baiting and blasting shyt out the window on the side of the highway makes us look like sportsmen to the non hunting {not anti hunting, just non hunting} public ? I sure don't.
I didn't blast it out the window. I did it legally according to the regs in AZ....I stepped off the road several feet on the same side of the highway the elk was on...I didnt shoot across the highway or from my truck....I know several people in AZ and Colorado that have done the same. How does it make you any less of a sportsman if you are following the laws in your state?
Not everything that's legal is ethical or sportmanlike. At your age you should know that.
Hmm, ok. I’ll tell you I’ll shoot game like that, for the meat. But I’ll never say I was hunting or brag about it. And I’ll damn sure never pay 4K to do it.
As I said earlier, I don't remember anyone forcing you to do anything you want.
But by the same token, I think a grown man shouldn't be condemned for do as they wish.
This may come as a surprise to you, but there are people that enjoy hunting like that. They don't have to hump a pack over high mountains to get some satisfaction from hunting. And sometimes shooting a few meat deer for the freezer doesn't have to be too involved either.
Free men ought to have the right to do things as they want to do them.
It doesn't help to publicly condemn and ridicule people for doing another version of what you do yourself. Division among our ranks has given us more damn gun control and democrat politicians than we can shake a stick at.
I can think of more than a few things I think a grown man should be condemned for doing, with the only justification being "he was grown and wished to do it"
I can see why someone would enjoy shooting a deer from a blind on a corn feeder. But I cannot see why anyone would call it hunting. Or brag about it. If that's the best or only method of take for them for WHATEVER reason, cool. Glad at least they shoot and kill things. Both being past times that we need to keep alive. So to speak.
Saying shooting a deer off a feeder from a blind is "another version" of a spot and stalk hunt is head scratchingly wrong. One can, and I do, easily say have fun. Do it, do the hell out of it. Enjoy the hell out of it. But don't say it's something it's not. Many analogies have been made on this thread, and I'll admit I didn't read all them. So if I'm reiterating a point made earlier, my sincere apologies. But it's a participation trophy. Nope, you didn't make the varsity team, but you still tried so here's a shiny trophy that's the same as the winners got at state. And don't let anyone tell you different!
I've busted balls on here, low hanging fruit. Very low hanging sometimes. But as a fellow hunter, I can call bullchit and even mock another's methods without the presumption of condemning them to the purgatory of the unwilling company of non-hunters or classist hunters. At least, that's how I interact with my peers. If a guy needs to approach the forums here as if he's talking to soy-boy man buns, then it's a net loss for all involved.
Hmm, ok. I’ll tell you I’ll shoot game like that, for the meat. But I’ll never say I was hunting or brag about it. And I’ll damn sure never pay 4K to do it.
As I said earlier, I don't remember anyone forcing you to do anything you want.
But by the same token, I think a grown man shouldn't be condemned for do as they wish.
This may come as a surprise to you, but there are people that enjoy hunting like that. They don't have to hump a pack over high mountains to get some satisfaction from hunting. And sometimes shooting a few meat deer for the freezer doesn't have to be too involved either.
Free men ought to have the right to do things as they want to do them.
It doesn't help to publicly condemn and ridicule people for doing another version of what you do yourself. Division among our ranks has given us more damn gun control and democrat politicians than we can shake a stick at.
I can think of more than a few things I think a grown man should be condemned for doing, with the only justification being "he was grown and wished to do it"
I can see why someone would enjoy shooting a deer from a blind on a corn feeder. But I cannot see why anyone would call it hunting. Or brag about it. If that's the best or only method of take for them for WHATEVER reason, cool. Glad at least they shoot and kill things. Both being past times that we need to keep alive. So to speak.
Saying shooting a deer off a feeder from a blind is "another version" of a spot and stalk hunt is head scratchingly wrong. One can, and I do, easily say have fun. Do it, do the hell out of it. Enjoy the hell out of it. But don't say it's something it's not. Many analogies have been made on this thread, and I'll admit I didn't read all them. So if I'm reiterating a point made earlier, my sincere apologies. But it's a participation trophy. Nope, you didn't make the varsity team, but you still tried so here's a shiny trophy that's the same as the winners got at state. And don't let anyone tell you different!
I've busted balls on here, low hanging fruit. Very low hanging sometimes. But as a fellow hunter, I can call bullchit and even mock another's methods without the presumption of condemning them to the purgatory of the unwilling company of non-hunters or classist hunters. At least, that's how I interact with my peers. If a guy needs to approach the forums here as if he's talking to soy-boy man buns, then it's a net loss for all involved.
Hmm, ok. I’ll tell you I’ll shoot game like that, for the meat. But I’ll never say I was hunting or brag about it. And I’ll damn sure never pay 4K to do it.
As I said earlier, I don't remember anyone forcing you to do anything you want.
But by the same token, I think a grown man shouldn't be condemned for do as they wish.
This may come as a surprise to you, but there are people that enjoy hunting like that. They don't have to hump a pack over high mountains to get some satisfaction from hunting. And sometimes shooting a few meat deer for the freezer doesn't have to be too involved either.
Free men ought to have the right to do things as they want to do them.
It doesn't help to publicly condemn and ridicule people for doing another version of what you do yourself. Division among our ranks has given us more damn gun control and democrat politicians than we can shake a stick at.
I can think of more than a few things I think a grown man should be condemned for doing, with the only justification being "he was grown and wished to do it"
I can see why someone would enjoy shooting a deer from a blind on a corn feeder. But I cannot see why anyone would call it hunting. Or brag about it. If that's the best or only method of take for them for WHATEVER reason, cool. Glad at least they shoot and kill things. Both being past times that we need to keep alive. So to speak.
Saying shooting a deer off a feeder from a blind is "another version" of a spot and stalk hunt is head scratchingly wrong. One can, and I do, easily say have fun. Do it, do the hell out of it. Enjoy the hell out of it. But don't say it's something it's not. Many analogies have been made on this thread, and I'll admit I didn't read all them. So if I'm reiterating a point made earlier, my sincere apologies. But it's a participation trophy. Nope, you didn't make the varsity team, but you still tried so here's a shiny trophy that's the same as the winners got at state. And don't let anyone tell you different!
I've busted balls on here, low hanging fruit. Very low hanging sometimes. But as a fellow hunter, I can call bullchit and even mock another's methods without the presumption of condemning them to the purgatory of the unwilling company of non-hunters or classist hunters. At least, that's how I interact with my peers. If a guy needs to approach the forums here as if he's talking to soy-boy man buns, then it's a net loss for all involved.
Shooting schit off a feeder is gay.
But so are handjobs and everyone seems fine with Fireballz posting here so WTF?
I already know what it means you stupid son of a bitch. Now show that woman some respect and get off your phone. She deserves it for supporting your worthless, lazy ass.
I already know what it means you stupid son of a bitch. Now show that woman some respect and get off your phone. She deserves it for supporting your worthless, lazy ass.
I already know what it means you stupid son of a bitch. Now show that woman some respect and get off your phone. She deserves it for supporting your worthless, lazy ass.
I already know what it means you stupid son of a bitch. Now show that woman some respect and get off your phone. She deserves it for supporting your worthless, lazy ass.
She understands that this is more important.
So now you are calling her retarded? Classy. Get off your phone and give the woman your attention, as a man ought to do.
I'll never forget the first time we went out for a restaurant meal.
I'm probably 5 my brother 3.5 years old. We get to growling and scrapping at the table over food(like we did at home) and people started looking at us funny.
I have a bad feeling about this Ocasio Cortex chick. The more stupid chit I see going in this country, the , more I’m afraid ’ voters will elect someone like her. The millennials and lgbt peeps , and Messcans will latch on to a radical like her . Yep, she’s being labeled a radical after attacking Reagan s and FDR’s policies. This [bleep] is regurgitating chit her liberal professors told her in class. Scary...
I have a bad feeling about this Ocasio Cortex chick. The more stupid chit I see going in this country, the , more I’m afraid ’ voters will elect someone like her. The millennials and lgbt peeps , and Messcans will latch on to a radical like her . Yep, she’s being labeled a radical after attacking Reagan s and FDR’s policies. This [bleep] is regurgitating chit her liberal professors told her in class. Scary...
I have a bad feeling about this Ocasio Cortex chick. The more stupid chit I see going in this country, the , more I’m afraid ’ voters will elect someone like her. The millennials and lgbt peeps , and Messcans will latch on to a radical like her . Yep, she’s being labeled a radical after attacking Reagan s and FDR’s policies. This [bleep] is regurgitating chit her liberal professors told her in class. Scary...
I have a bad feeling about this Ocasio Cortex chick. The more stupid chit I see going in this country, the , more I’m afraid ’ voters will elect someone like her. The millennials and lgbt peeps , and Messcans will latch on to a radical like her . Yep, she’s being labeled a radical after attacking Reagan s and FDR’s policies. This [bleep] is regurgitating chit her liberal professors told her in class. Scary...
She will get Lyin Ted to be her VP .watch
And y’all accuse me of drinking.
We’ve had the first Afro American. It’ll be a woman soon. Watch
Can you book a hunt on a high fence ranch with timed corn feeders, heated blinds (with a wet bar), mowed shooting lanes, and your own golf cart, for a GMO buck that has a name and it’s own photo album......at a Buc-ee’s?
I have a bad feeling about this Ocasio Cortex chick. The more stupid chit I see going in this country, the , more I’m afraid ’ voters will elect someone like her. The millennials and lgbt peeps , and Messcans will latch on to a radical like her . Yep, she’s being labeled a radical after attacking Reagan s and FDR’s policies. This [bleep] is regurgitating chit her liberal professors told her in class. Scary...
She will get Lyin Ted to be her VP .watch
And y’all accuse me of drinking.
This^^^. AO needs to ge et inside and out of the freaking sun. Even Occassional Cotex would never contemplate that blunder.
I buy corn in bulk, $30 for a 55gal barrel. I buy 6 barrels a year. I don't use it during deer season, my corn goes in the feeders (3) for pigs. I hunt them at night the rest of the year when the lease in not under water. So what does that make me? As if I care.
I buy corn in bulk, $30 for a 55gal barrel. I buy 6 barrels a year. I don't use it during deer season, my corn goes in the feeders (3) for pigs. I hunt them at night the rest of the year when the lease in not under water. So what does that make me? As if I care.
A good steward of the land. Kill a few pigs for me, they are a pestilence upon the land.
I don’t don’t know if we can get bulk corn here. I don’t really have time to fool with buying it in bulk anyway. I buy it in 50 lb bags. Corn has to be clean to work in a feeder.
I don’t don’t know if we can get bulk corn here. I don’t really have time to fool with buying it in bulk anyway. I buy it in 50 lb bags. Corn has to be clean to work in a feeder.
Bags are way more convenient, but you have to pay for convenience
There is a feed store about 45 minutes south of me, that sells corn in burlap sacks or loose to your buckets, and sells by weight. He is by far the cheapest source for me, but it is still not cheap, and his hours are short, so he is seldom open to sell when I need to buy. I'm half tempted to just have him fill the bed of the pick up next time, and shovel it into the feeders with a funnel. (Incidentally, a carboid water bottle makes a damn good funnel for a 55gal barrel. Fits the fill holes perfectly.)
Life is obviously frustrating for you, and knowing you are a miserable son of a bitch with nothing better to do than sit at your computer for 8+ hours a day in one forum on one site, as an internet troll, brings a smile to my face.
Life is obviously frustrating for you, and knowing you are a miserable son of a bitch with nothing better to do than sit at your computer for 8+ hours a day in one forum on one site, as an internet troll, brings a smile to my face.
Hanco sorry to hear you lost your lease. Too bad you couldn't let some of the critics "scout" that area. They'd have a better idea what they're talking about.
Here's to you finding another place as good or better.
I still have a lease in Burnet county. May lose it too, kids are trying to break trust their father set up.
Well maybe you'll just have to kill those back yard deer after all. Don't forget the corn pile. Not much different. Stick is right. The Texas version of everything is fuggin hilarious !
I still have a lease in Burnet county. May lose it too, kids are trying to break trust their father set up.
Well maybe you'll just have to kill those back yard deer after all. Don't forget the corn pile. Not much different. Texas "hunters". Stick is right. The Texas version of everything is fuggin hilarious !
Oh my God.
Stop sucking Stick's dick at every turn. It's gross.
I still have a lease in Burnet county. May lose it too, kids are trying to break trust their father set up.
Well maybe you'll just have to kill those back yard deer after all. Don't forget the corn pile. Not much different. Texas "hunters". Stick is right. The Texas version of everything is fuggin hilarious !
Oh my God.
Stop sucking Stick's dick at every turn. It's gross.
Everything with you is either about sucking dick or gay. Poor little homo just can't get cock off his sick little mind. Why don't you just come out of the closet ya fuggin F A G G OT.
I liked hunting out in west Texas where it was open enough to sneak up to the edge of a big canyons. I liked to launch ball bearings down in the thick bottoms with a wrist rocket. Many times deer would jump out, stop and look to see what the hell the noise was about. I killed several good bucks that way. That is my favorite way to hunt.
I liked hunting out in west Texas where it was open enough to sneak up to the edge of a big canyons. I liked to launch ball bearings down in the thick bottoms with a wrist rocket. Many times deer would jump out, stop and look to see what the hell the noise was about. I killed several good bucks that way. That is my favorite way to hunt.
Everything with you is either about sucking dick or gay. Poor little homo just can't get cock off his sick little mind. Why don't you just come out of the closet ya fuggin F A G G OT.
Everything with you is either about sucking dick or gay. Poor little homo just can't get cock off his sick little mind. Why don't you just come out of the closet ya fuggin F A G G OT.
I liked hunting out in west Texas where it was open enough to sneak up to the edge of a big canyons. I liked to launch ball bearings down in the thick bottoms with a wrist rocket. Many times deer would jump out, stop and look to see what the hell the noise was about. I killed several good bucks that way. That is my favorite way to hunt.
Just have a spare ball in hand, and shoot the deer with the wrist rocket. Or, would that still be hunting?
The place I hunt isn’t open enough to do much walking. That and I’m 66 years old. I was in my 20’s when I hunted in Ozona. I was on that lease for 6 years. I was my favorite lease all time. I killed several good bucks on foot. Way more fun than stand hunting.
The place I hunt isn’t open enough to do much walking. That and I’m 66 years old. I was in my 20’s when I hunted in Ozona. I was on that lease for 6 years. I was my favorite lease all time. I killed several good bucks on foot. Way more fun than stand hunting.
My dad is 77 and still walks these hills during deer season.
I suspect if it were legal everywhere, everyone would be doing it.
All the ones too lazy or stupid to actually hunt anyway.
I tell you what. I am inviting you down next year to Deer hunt. Lodging included. You can hunt anywhere but the oat fields and you have to hunt as you have said you hunt. What do you say? Are you game?
I suspect if it were legal everywhere, everyone would be doing it.
All the ones too lazy or stupid to actually hunt anyway.
I tell you what. I am inviting you down next year to Deer hunt. Lodging included. You can hunt anywhere but the oat fields and you have to hunt as you have said you hunt. What do you say? Are you game?
Jim
Why would I go to Texas to hunt ? I have several million acres of state land to wander right here. Are you trying to say it's too thick to do any walking where you are ? If so, I already said sitting over a feeder is better than nothing and I'd do it if it was all that was available. I just don't believe that's the case for everybody in Texas.
Some of these guys need to hunt some 10’ high south Texas brush. They need to do a little stalking through some of that. Maybe scare up a dozen or so Diamondbacks.
Some of these guys need to hunt some 10’ high south Texas brush. They need to do a little stalking through some of that. Maybe scare up a dozen or so Diamondbacks.
Is your lease in South Texas ? Are feeders only commonly used in South Texas ?
I liked hunting out in west Texas where it was open enough to sneak up to the edge of a big canyons. I liked to launch ball bearings down in the thick bottoms with a wrist rocket. Many times deer would jump out, stop and look to see what the hell the noise was about. I killed several good bucks that way. That is my favorite way to hunt.
Just have a spare ball in hand, and shoot the deer with the wrist rocket. Or, would that still be hunting?
Oh, I do often have a slingshot in hand while hunting deer. When we are doing a drive, and getting into position, I have often kicked up squirrel, rabbit or turkeys while moving into position. (As long as it is in season) I will knock it over with the slingshot instead of spooking the deer. Ball bearing work fine, but I use hex nuts.
Oh, I do often have a slingshot in hand while hunting deer. When we are doing a drive, and getting into position, I have often kicked up squirrel, rabbit or turkeys while moving into position. (As long as it is in season) I will knock it over with the slingshot instead of spooking the deer. Ball bearing work fine, but I use hex nuts.
I suspect if it were legal everywhere, everyone would be doing it.
All the ones too lazy or stupid to actually hunt anyway.
I tell you what. I am inviting you down next year to Deer hunt. Lodging included. You can hunt anywhere but the oat fields and you have to hunt as you have said you hunt. What do you say? Are you game?
Jim
Why would I go to Texas to hunt ? I have several million acres of state land to wander right here. Are you trying to say it's too thick to do any walking where you are ? If so, I already said sitting over a feeder is better than nothing and I'd do it if it was all that was available. I just don't believe that's the case for everybody in Texas.
I just thought you might want to try out something different.
Lets hope we don't run into one of these while stalking through the bush. They can get down right nasty.
I suspect if it were legal everywhere, everyone would be doing it.
All the ones too lazy or stupid to actually hunt anyway.
I tell you what. I am inviting you down next year to Deer hunt. Lodging included. You can hunt anywhere but the oat fields and you have to hunt as you have said you hunt. What do you say? Are you game?
Jim
Why would I go to Texas to hunt ? I have several million acres of state land to wander right here. Are you trying to say it's too thick to do any walking where you are ? If so, I already said sitting over a feeder is better than nothing and I'd do it if it was all that was available. I just don't believe that's the case for everybody in Texas.
I just thought you might want to try out something different.
Lets hope we don't run into one of these while stalking through the bush. They can get down right nasty.
Jim
We don't have a viable population of hogs here. We do have brush that is thicker than most Texans seem to think and we do hunt it in various ways that do not include bait/feeders. I can't count the number of times I've been within 20 feet of deer and still had nothing to shoot at.
I liked hunting out in west Texas where it was open enough to sneak up to the edge of a big canyons. I liked to launch ball bearings down in the thick bottoms with a wrist rocket. Many times deer would jump out, stop and look to see what the hell the noise was about. I killed several good bucks that way. That is my favorite way to hunt.
Old Europe driven hunt without the driver. Love it.
Lets hope we don't run into one of these while stalking through the bush. They can get down right nasty.
Jim[/quote]
Why wouldn’t you want to run into hogs while stalking through the brush? I kicked up 7 at less than 30’ in some 5’ high switchgrass a couple weeks ago, none of the 4 I shot wanted to do anything but get the heck out of there.
Yeah I did. I was on a pretty good lease with lots of hogs and big bucks for 7 years. But I was not a full leasee. I was a sub leaser for a guy that hunts on his inlaws place about 100 miles north. One of the primary people wanted their kids hubby on it so I lost out.
Yeah I did. I was on a pretty good lease with lots of hogs and big bucks for 7 years. But I was not a full leasee. I was a sub leaser for a guy that hunts on his inlaws place about 100 miles north. One of the primary people wanted their kids hubby on it so I lost out.
In Texas, hunting' and fugkin' go together like peas and carrots!
I’m going to the deer lease on the 30th. Put some corn in those hungry feeders. Try to trap some pigs, bow hunt pigs and Aoudads. Wish you all could come too.
I had no clue this thread was going to go crazy when I started it. I didn’t know there was so much hate for us stand hunters. It’s so thick in most places or the property is too small to stalk game safely. It’s dangerous to hunt most public land in Texas. There are too many hunters. Many leases have rules preventing hunters from wandering around.
Bags are way more convenient, but you have to pay for convenience
There is a feed store about 45 minutes south of me, that sells corn in burlap sacks or loose to your buckets, and sells by weight. He is by far the cheapest source for me, but it is still not cheap, and his hours are short, so he is seldom open to sell when I need to buy. I'm half tempted to just have him fill the bed of the pick up next time, and shovel it into the feeders with a funnel. (Incidentally, a carboid water bottle makes a damn good funnel for a 55gal barrel. Fits the fill holes perfectly.)
I had no clue this thread was going to go crazy when I started it. I didn’t know there was so much hate for us stand hunters. It’s so thick in most places or the property is too small to stalk game safely. It’s dangerous to hunt most public land in Texas. There are too many hunters. Many leases have rules preventing hunters from wandering around.
When I started posting at Accurate Reloading in 2001, I too was amazed at the vitriol and scorn directed toward folks that stand hunt as folks in Texas do. One of the reasons I post so many pictures it to illustrate our style of hunting. I have hosted several folks that post here on occasion that were from Oregon, California, or Idaho. After spending a few days hunting with me at my "Beer Lease" near Reagan wells, they typically would say something like "I had no idea........
Just got back from my fourth "24hourcampfire hog hunt" down in Crystal City. Folks from Oregon, California, Nevada, Idaho, Montana, the north east and southeast states drive as much as 3 days or fly in to sit in stands,"shoot" hogs, varmints and other critters, and enjoy some good food, renew acquaintences and consume adult libations. In the four trips, I've yet to hear one say he did not get his money's worth.
Here is an example of one of the facets of hunting at the type of lease you describe.
To get to this stand I ride up the side of a hill as far as I can on my ATV. I then walk about 300 yds to the top of the hill, and then 50 yds down to the stand and climb in.
Looking up. That's the canopy stand 175 yds up the hill under the dot!
I only hunt this stand in the morning
as should I shoot a critter there, I have to load up my gear, traipse back to my ATV, go down the hill out the gate, then drive about two miles to the entrance to the goat path that allows me to go over a hill and into the valley where the stand is.
Northwesterly view from "the canopy"
Southeasterly view from "the Canopy" and another feeder
Another spot I call "the cliffs". It's about a mile off the main ranch road we travel to access our stands. To get there I ride in as far as I can go, grab my rifle and pack, walk a zig-zag path I have marked with flagging tape about two hundred yards up the hill until I get to the cliffs. Then its a climb up the rock face of the cliff to get to either an old stand I found or just to sit on the the rock face.
view from "the Cliffs"
and one last spot, at a location on the side of a hill at a location called "#5". Got a hole in the scrum 125 yds down the hill......
ya!
GWB
PS: Hanco, I feel your pain. I've lost four leases in the last 20 years, one as recently as last year. The pix above are from what I call "my beer lease". My "deer lease" was down in Woodsboro. Sixty thousand acre low fenced ranch that 29,000 acres are being taken as a wind farm. The night before the rifle season opening, after we had worked all year, we were told that the season was canceled. Bummer!
I had no clue this thread was going to go crazy when I started it. I didn’t know there was so much hate for us stand hunters. It’s so thick in most places or the property is too small to stalk game safely. It’s dangerous to hunt most public land in Texas. There are too many hunters. Many leases have rules preventing hunters from wandering around.
They dont want you spooking the deer which jump the property fence and get shot on the neighbors place where they have feeders.
I used to hunt my uncles paper company 1200 acre lease in East Texas. The adjoining 3000 acre place had a hunting camp a half mile to the west. Toward our place and east of the camp, they had a 100 acre wooded trap pasture and a hunter had a feeder 200 yds west of our fence.
I know this because the 3000 acre place belongs to my cousin and i hunt it also.
The guy with the feeder would leave the camp at 3::00 and go through a plank gate with a chain holding it into the holding trap. I noticed when the old fart went hunting he wouldnt lay down and roll under the gate or hold the chain tight to keep it from clanging and rattling, thereby announcing his hunt in the trap.
One day i walked our west fence opposite the hunting camp and west of his feeder about 200 yds. I noticed a low spot with a lot of tracks.
Next day i got up a small post oak about 30 yards east of the crossing. Sure enough, 3:15 a small herd of whitails slip under the fence and i get dinner.
I used that at times to see if any big bucks were camping in that plot.
Lots of deer and pigs go through holes if there is a broken wire or under if there is a low place. The Aoudads in the pic below just came through hole in the fence(broken strand of barb wire.). I’m in my pussy shooting house, sitting in my office chair. All comfortable, I know I should be ashamed.
Bags are way more convenient, but you have to pay for convenience
There is a feed store about 45 minutes south of me, that sells corn in burlap sacks or loose to your buckets, and sells by weight. He is by far the cheapest source for me, but it is still not cheap, and his hours are short, so he is seldom open to sell when I need to buy. I'm half tempted to just have him fill the bed of the pick up next time, and shovel it into the feeders with a funnel. (Incidentally, a carboid water bottle makes a damn good funnel for a 55gal barrel. Fits the fill holes perfectly.)
You hunt over a feeder too?
Since I already posted exactly what I do with my feeders, how I hunt, and what I fill em with, I would suggest you actually read what I wrote, before asking dumb ass questions.
Lots of deer and pigs go through holes if there is a broken wire or under if there is a low place. The Aoudads in the pic below just came through hole in the fence(broken strand of barb wire.). I’m in my pussy shooting house, sitting in my office chair. All comfortable, I know I should be ashamed.
You ever eat any of those Aoudad? I have no desire to kill a ram but would like try a fryer.
I guess i started walking fences looking for crossings when i started bow hunting in the mid 60s.
All is fair in the war on hogs. Have you ever caught a deer with a snare??
I did once, and sure regretted it.
I was snaring coyotes and double damned checked tracks all over to make sure deer weren't using that slide. Slide was only about 6" deep under a net wire fence. Ran the traps and snares and sure enough there was a yearling dead in the snare.
Started using deer proof snares in slides where deer could get in them after that.
I had tp start carrying a decent sized roll of old rolled up net wire to tie the hog snares to. Anchored a couple close to fences before that, and they'd tear the heck out of the fence.
When I went to securing it to the roll of net wire, I'd just throw the net wire down by the fence, and when snared the hog would drag that net wire away from the fence. They usually didn't get far before the wire hang up...
Thanks for the links, GW! I'm probably gonna order some from Boarmasters.
As mentioned earlier, we set up spin cast feeders. The big boars are almost always solitary and move only at night. I do not bait my snares. I also only set them at holes in the game proof fence. That way I don't catch cows or deer. I want the hogs to be on a run or trot when they go though the fence. If you bait the snares, you attract cows and deer, plus the hogs slow down, and you miss more.
I will set a dozen or so snares. I'll sit out in the blind till about 10 AM, come back and have some breakfast, then go run the snares. Something to do before nap time.
I had tp start carrying a decent sized roll of old rolled up net wire to tie the hog snares to. Anchored a couple close to fences before that, and they'd tear the heck out of the fence.
When I went to securing it to the roll of net wire, I'd just throw the net wire down by the fence, and when snared the hog would drag that net wire away from the fence. They usually didn't get far before the wire hang up...
Thanks for the links, GW! I'm probably gonna order some from Boarmasters.
Don't know if I have any here at the house made up. However what I do is go to Harbor Freight and buy a 100 ft. roll of 1/8" aircraft cable, as it is cheap there. E-Rigging on the net that sells wire rope clips for $0.15 +/- each. I think the same clips are $0.78 at Lowes or Home Depot.
I make a 10 foot leader and make a loop at each end with about a 6" opening secured by two wire rope clips per loop. I then use a quick link to connect the leader and the snare. Most times with big boars they booger up the snare to the point it can only be used once, or sometimes you have to cut the snare cable if you can't get to the cam lock. It is much quicker changing out the snare/leader combo with the quick links.
I don't connect to fence posts. Typically there is a juniper or live oak of sufficient diameter to attach the snare to. By making your loop with a 6" opening you can wrap the loop around your point of attachment and then run the snare and leader through the loop, then set. I do keep small diameter stainless wire or twist ties to secure the snare. The snares from boarmasters have a plastic sleeve about the diameter of a soda straw. Take tie wire and wrap it around your fence wire and poke the end of the wire though this plastic sleeve and bend it accordingly to position your snare. There are any number of vids on YouTube in regards to setting snares for hogs.
Pigs are far and few between here, but we have a few. I haven't caught any yet, but I did build a portable rotisserie, and these anchors to tether my 'yote traps. Might work for pigs. These anchors I make, will not pull out with #300 pull straight up, when sunk 1' deep. Should hold more when pulling sideways. I used a #300 game scale to test, and maxed it out before retrieving my anchor with a comealong.
Pigs are far and few between here, but we have a few. I haven't caught any yet, but I did build a portable rotisserie, and these anchors to tether my 'yote traps. Might work for pigs. These anchors I make, will not pull out with #300 pull straight up, when sunk 1' deep. Should hold more when pulling sideways. I used a #300 game scale to test, and maxed it out before retrieving my anchor with a comealong.
Last year I had a couple guys join me at my lease. I had set a bunch of snares before they got there. Next morning we went on ATVs to run the snares. I think it was the 3rd one down the line that the 1/8" aircraft cable of the snare was busted. Whatever was in the snare was able to worry the cable till it severed or by brute force busted it. One of the guys asked me if I was going to track it. I told him that if whatever had got caught in that snare was able to bust it, I wanted no part of tracking it in that scrum where you can't see a foot in front of you. Been there done that....... no thanks!
Pigs are far and few between here, but we have a few. I haven't caught any yet, but I did build a portable rotisserie, and these anchors to tether my 'yote traps. Might work for pigs. These anchors I make, will not pull out with #300 pull straight up, when sunk 1' deep. Should hold more when pulling sideways. I used a #300 game scale to test, and maxed it out before retrieving my anchor with a comealong.
Last year I had a couple guys join me at my lease. I had set a bunch of snares before they got there. Next morning we went on ATVs to run the snares. I think it was the 3rd one down the line that the 1/8" aircraft cable of the snare was busted. Whatever was in the snare was able to worry the cable till it severed or by brute force busted it. One of the guys asked me if I was going to track it. I told him that if whatever had got caught in that snare was able to bust it, I wanted no part of tracking it in that scrum where you can't see a foot in front of you. Been there done that....... no thanks!
ya!
GWB
1/8" cable has a breaking strength of 2000lbs. Must have a abraded it on a rock or something. It takes a lot to break cable, but it does metal fatigue.
Pigs are far and few between here, but we have a few. I haven't caught any yet, but I did build a portable rotisserie, and these anchors to tether my 'yote traps. Might work for pigs. These anchors I make, will not pull out with #300 pull straight up, when sunk 1' deep. Should hold more when pulling sideways. I used a #300 game scale to test, and maxed it out before retrieving my anchor with a comealong.
Last year I had a couple guys join me at my lease. I had set a bunch of snares before they got there. Next morning we went on ATVs to run the snares. I think it was the 3rd one down the line that the 1/8" aircraft cable of the snare was busted. Whatever was in the snare was able to worry the cable till it severed or by brute force busted it. One of the guys asked me if I was going to track it. I told him that if whatever had got caught in that snare was able to bust it, I wanted no part of tracking it in that scrum where you can't see a foot in front of you. Been there done that....... no thanks!
ya!
GWB
1/8" cable has a breaking strength of 2000lbs. Must have a abraded it on a rock or something. It takes a lot to break cable, but it does metal fatigue.
Life is obviously frustrating for you, and knowing you are a miserable son of a bitch with nothing better to do than sit at your computer for 8+ hours a day in one forum on one site, as an internet troll, brings a smile to my face.
hey, life is good in moms basement.
P.S. Your mom & dad lied......
Looks like you're the one sitting in your basement all day in your depends, and here's the proof from your posting history:
9 hours ago Yesterday at 03:37 PM Yesterday at 03:26 PM Yesterday at 03:24 PM Yesterday at 03:21 PM Yesterday at 02:47 PM Yesterday at 01:49 PM Yesterday at 01:21 PM Yesterday at 12:48 PM Yesterday at 12:47 PM Yesterday at 12:21 PM Yesterday at 12:18 PM Yesterday at 10:40 AM Yesterday at 10:29 AM Yesterday at 08:40 AM Yesterday at 08:35 AM Yesterday at 08:24 AM 03/11/19
My dad and mom were highly successful, and came from good genes that got passed down to me, think Beefmaster or Angus, not some skin and bones Cow / Calf operation like you.
Life is obviously frustrating for you, and knowing you are a miserable son of a bitch with nothing better to do than sit at your computer for 8+ hours a day in one forum on one site, as an internet troll, brings a smile to my face.
hey, life is good in moms basement.
P.S. Your mom & dad lied......
Looks like you're the one sitting in your basement all day in your depends, and here's the proof from your posting history:
9 hours ago Yesterday at 03:37 PM Yesterday at 03:26 PM Yesterday at 03:24 PM Yesterday at 03:21 PM Yesterday at 02:47 PM Yesterday at 01:49 PM Yesterday at 01:21 PM Yesterday at 12:48 PM Yesterday at 12:47 PM Yesterday at 12:21 PM Yesterday at 12:18 PM Yesterday at 10:40 AM Yesterday at 10:29 AM Yesterday at 08:40 AM Yesterday at 08:35 AM Yesterday at 08:24 AM 03/11/19
My dad and mom were highly successful, and came from good genes that got passed down to me, think Beefmaster or Angus, not some skin and bones Cow / Calf operation like you.
Kinda looks like he checks in at break time to me....
Pigs are far and few between here, but we have a few. I haven't caught any yet, but I did build a portable rotisserie, and these anchors to tether my 'yote traps. Might work for pigs. These anchors I make, will not pull out with #300 pull straight up, when sunk 1' deep. Should hold more when pulling sideways. I used a #300 game scale to test, and maxed it out before retrieving my anchor with a comealong.
Last year I had a couple guys join me at my lease. I had set a bunch of snares before they got there. Next morning we went on ATVs to run the snares. I think it was the 3rd one down the line that the 1/8" aircraft cable of the snare was busted. Whatever was in the snare was able to worry the cable till it severed or by brute force busted it. One of the guys asked me if I was going to track it. I told him that if whatever had got caught in that snare was able to bust it, I wanted no part of tracking it in that scrum where you can't see a foot in front of you. Been there done that....... no thanks!
ya!
GWB
1/8" cable has a breaking strength of 2000lbs. Must have a abraded it on a rock or something. It takes a lot to break cable, but it does metal fatigue.
What the hey!
I don't recall if it was a new or used snare. Could have been abraded before the last snag or abraded during the current snag. Rocks aplenty at that location. I do know that there was no snare there. The snare end was gone. I've snared some big pigs that did not escape with the snare. I've been involved with hunting, snaring and trapping hogs since 1961. In my old age, I have a tendency to let the bad boyz. go. Ya! GWB
Bags are way more convenient, but you have to pay for convenience
There is a feed store about 45 minutes south of me, that sells corn in burlap sacks or loose to your buckets, and sells by weight. He is by far the cheapest source for me, but it is still not cheap, and his hours are short, so he is seldom open to sell when I need to buy. I'm half tempted to just have him fill the bed of the pick up next time, and shovel it into the feeders with a funnel. (Incidentally, a carboid water bottle makes a damn good funnel for a 55gal barrel. Fits the fill holes perfectly.)
You hunt over a feeder too?
Since I already posted exactly what I do with my feeders, how I hunt, and what I fill em with, I would suggest you actually read what I wrote, before asking dumb ass questions.
Bags are way more convenient, but you have to pay for convenience
There is a feed store about 45 minutes south of me, that sells corn in burlap sacks or loose to your buckets, and sells by weight. He is by far the cheapest source for me, but it is still not cheap, and his hours are short, so he is seldom open to sell when I need to buy. I'm half tempted to just have him fill the bed of the pick up next time, and shovel it into the feeders with a funnel. (Incidentally, a carboid water bottle makes a damn good funnel for a 55gal barrel. Fits the fill holes perfectly.)
You hunt over a feeder too?
Since I already posted exactly what I do with my feeders, how I hunt, and what I fill em with, I would suggest you actually read what I wrote, before asking dumb ass questions.
I don’t wanna read your diary
You used to do your homework on deeranddeerhunting.com. now you want to be spoon fed? I have several feeders, usually 2 are active. Gravity feeders. I move acorns from in city where they will just go out as yard waste, to my feeders. I do it to give them more food through the winter, and better health. I might hunt at a feeder if all I wanted was a doe, but bucks are nocturnal feeders. For the most part, I find my deer away from the feeders. Is that concise enough for you, or should I post it again in multiple languages?
Life is obviously frustrating for you, and knowing you are a miserable son of a bitch with nothing better to do than sit at your computer for 8+ hours a day in one forum on one site, as an internet troll, brings a smile to my face.
hey, life is good in moms basement.
P.S. Your mom & dad lied......
Looks like you're the one sitting in your basement all day in your depends, and here's the proof from your posting history:
9 hours ago Yesterday at 03:37 PM Yesterday at 03:26 PM Yesterday at 03:24 PM Yesterday at 03:21 PM Yesterday at 02:47 PM Yesterday at 01:49 PM Yesterday at 01:21 PM Yesterday at 12:48 PM Yesterday at 12:47 PM Yesterday at 12:21 PM Yesterday at 12:18 PM Yesterday at 10:40 AM Yesterday at 10:29 AM Yesterday at 08:40 AM Yesterday at 08:35 AM Yesterday at 08:24 AM 03/11/19
My dad and mom were highly successful, and came from good genes that got passed down to me, think Beefmaster or Angus, not some skin and bones Cow / Calf operation like you.
Reading comprehension.....Life IS good in moms basement. Gotta go, mom just put out the call for breakfast......
Feeders keep the Does coming around. I’ve never killed a big one under a feeder either. I’ve killed nice bucks on corn I’ve scattered up and down the roads.
My dad and mom were highly successful, and came from good genes that got passed down to me, think Beefmaster or Angus, not some skin and bones Cow / Calf operation like you.
My dad and mom were highly successful, and came from good genes that got passed down to me, think Beefmaster or Angus, not some skin and bones Cow / Calf operation like you.
Feeders keep the Does coming around. I’ve never killed a big one under a feeder either. I’ve killed nice bucks on corn I’ve scattered up and down the roads.
That has also been my experience over the last 20 years I've been employing spin cast feeders. Does come to the feeders, bucks in the rut go nuts and chase does. That's typically when one has the opportunity to take a good buck on a low fenced lease where there is sufficient groceries that an animal does not have to come to the feeder to exist.
A couple examples. We had a 160 acre place in east Texas from 1961 until 2007. A friend and I kept three feeders going for three years between 2004 and 2007. We fed a corn/roasted soybean/green pea/protien mix. We had game cams out on each of the feeders. In that three year period we did not have one picture of a buck in the daylight. Lots of pictures of does, day and night. Bucks, and some good ones at that would show up, generally between midnight and 5 AM.
Here is a buck I called "the Claw"
I and several of my buds had this buck on game cams that were at different locations at our 1,700 acre trespass lease. In three years his image was captured only at night, never in the day. In fact, not one of nine guys had ever actually laid eyes on him. I was sitting at my only ground blind on my birthday, Dec. 21, two years ago IIRC. It was in the gloaming of that eve when I saw him walking behind a pen where I had a feeder. If you don't have a pen, hogs will consume every kernel of corn before anything else other than coons gets a chance. I watched him for only a couple minutes. This pen is 30' x 30' hog panel. He came in from the back right side of the pen, walked the length of the pen, right to left and something spooked him. I typically set up my blinds north west of my feeders as our prevailing winds are from the southeast. I don't think he got my wind but I could tell he was getting ready to bolt. I managed to thread a bullet through the hog panel on both sides and make a good hit. I could tell from the "whop" of the bullet.
One last example from a lease in Woodsboro Tx.
Unlike my Reagan wells lease, at the Woodsboro lease I have cell service. Consequently at the one pen I have there, I have a game cam with a modem on the pen. I also keep a feeder going outside the pen, situated about 100 yds. down a sendero that runs about a mile long from the southwest on my left to the northeast on my right.
Here is a typical sequence, taken while using a Tamron 150 to 600 lens on Canon 7dMk2 which has a 1.6 crop factor.
Buck at the end of the Sendero to the left of my stand.
buck at 300 yds +/-
buck at +/- 200 yds
buck at +/- 100 yds.
A nice mature six point cull.
Fifteen members on this lease, each having a contiguous 640 acre plot to hunt. No one had seen him before, and I had no game cam pix of the buck.
Oh yeah, feeders do one thing really well, they keep hogs in the area. I generally set up a feeder early in the year. I will not hunt it for several months. That way the hogs get it in their piggy little brains that this is where the groceries are. I generally keep five feeders going, throwing about 100 lbs of corn, protein and milo per month. I have two pens, one that is also set up with a trap door for trapping hogs. I go up at least once a month, sometimes twice. Usually take 3 to 5 hogs each time I go. Like the saying, perforating hoglets is not a passion, its an obsession.
I bet you’d see more deer at the feeders if you put food in all of them rather than only two of the feeders. This is why you’re seeing more deer away from the feeders because all but two of your feeders are empty. Deer gotta eat too. Or did you make a typo ? Why have an empty feeder?
Edit: Ohio isn’t far if you need someone to show you.
Trapping hogs is too much fun. How come you weren’t out in the brush stalking that buck like a real hunter???😎😎😎😎
Hanco, if you're adressing me, I know that you know why" I don't go stalking in the brush like a real hunter"
other than walking the senderos that have been cut in that scrum, or walking a game/cow trail it is virtually impenetrable.
plus it's not uncommon over a weekend, year round, to have at least a half dozen encounters with Mr. No-Shoulders
or one of his bigger brothers or sisters
I don't go out into that scrum unless I absolutely have to.
One of the reasons I use rifles of calibers 6.5mm and generally larger. I want the critter I shoot to be DRT, and if not, to have a blood trail a blind man can wade in.
Them Yankee boys would wade right out in that brush, they ain’t scared of rattlers, hogs, thorns 2” long that make an infected spot if they stick you, wetbacks hiding in the brush, or big cats. They would lasso deer. They wouldn’t waste ammo like we do!!!
Them Yankee boys would wade right out in that brush, they ain’t scared of rattlers, hogs, thorns 2” long that make an infected spot if they stick you, wetbacks hiding in the brush, or big cats. They would lasso deer. They wouldn’t waste ammo like we do!!!
Being that I'm a golf-cart and gate, petting zoo type of Tejas-guy, I tend to use critter-activated lassos.
I find it to be a much more efficient use of my time and energy! Leaves much more time for elbow bending!
In the woods of east Texas deer, particularly bucks past 2 years old, usually circle around downwind in the thickets at 80-200 yards and they dont come in to the feeder if a human is around.
I thought i would be smart and climbed up on a ranchers hopper filled with range cubes for his cattle with my bow. At times some would spill when used and the deer would come clean up the spillage.
Wind was from the south and about 5pm a doe and her fawns came into the pasture 250 yards to the north, walked 50 yds out into the trap pasture until getting straight down wind, snortec and hauled ass from whence they came, taking any bucks with her that waited back in the brush across the fence that was 50 yards to the east of me.
In most places that are hunted significantly you cant put up a portable blind, put out feed and get a deer to come in for a shot with a bow as the deer circle downwind first.
On big ranches or in Mexico with very restricted hunting one may put up a blind and feed by it for many months and the deer arent so smart and will walk straight in.
In the woods of east Texas deer, particularly bucks past 2 years old, usually circle around downwind in the thickets at 80-200 yards and they dont come in to the feeder if a human is around.
I thought i would be smart and climbed up on a ranchers hopper filled with range cubes for his cattle with my bow. At times some would spill when used and the deer would come clean up the spillage.
Wind was from the south and about 5pm a doe and her fawns came into the pasture 250 yards to the north, walked 50 yds out into the trap pasture until getting straight down wind, snortec and hauled ass from whence they came, taking any bucks with her that waited back in the brush across the fence that was 50 yards to the east of me.
In most places that are hunted significantly you cant put up a portable blind, put out feed and get a deer to come in for a shot with a bow as the deer circle downwind first.
On big ranches or in Mexico with very restricted hunting one may put up a blind and feed by it for many months and the deer arent so smart and will walk straight in.
A couple of thoughts in this regard.
When I get busted, its usually an older doe. As you said she will snort, blow and stamp her front legs, and then that's all she wrote.
Try bow hunting in a tripod where you are 12' eyeheight in October and you are wearing a bug suit or leafy wear and its 95 to 105 degrees at 6pm in the afternoon and sweat is running into your eyes and dripping down onto the tripod, and you are 17 yds. from the feeder. You get busted most every time before a deer gets within bowshot range, which for me is 33 yds. max for deer and 45 yds for hogs.
At 67 I've turned into a wuss. Give me an elevated blind 100 to 300 yds. away. The odds are much more in my favor!
I bet you’d see more deer at the feeders if you put food in all of them rather than only two of the feeders. This is why you’re seeing more deer away from the feeders because all but two of your feeders are empty. Deer gotta eat too. Or did you make a typo ? Why have an empty feeder?
Edit: Ohio isn’t far if you need someone to show you.
No thanks, since I would have to charge the deer rent if I filled the other 3 feeders. They are empty and in storage. If the deer could get to them, I'd have scat throughout the cabin, and who needs that? As for the lessons, I'd prefer to learn from someone who actually knew what he was talking about. Since you clearly do not, I'll stick with what works just fine. About the only thing that will bring a mature buck out of the darkness, is sex, not food. Bucks feed at night.
In the woods of east Texas deer, particularly bucks past 2 years old, usually circle around downwind in the thickets at 80-200 yards and they dont come in to the feeder if a human is around.
I thought i would be smart and climbed up on a ranchers hopper filled with range cubes for his cattle with my bow. At times some would spill when used and the deer would come clean up the spillage.
Wind was from the south and about 5pm a doe and her fawns came into the pasture 250 yards to the north, walked 50 yds out into the trap pasture until getting straight down wind, snortec and hauled ass from whence they came, taking any bucks with her that waited back in the brush across the fence that was 50 yards to the east of me.
In most places that are hunted significantly you cant put up a portable blind, put out feed and get a deer to come in for a shot with a bow as the deer circle downwind first.
On big ranches or in Mexico with very restricted hunting one may put up a blind and feed by it for many months and the deer arent so smart and will walk straight in.
A couple of thoughts in this regard.
When I get busted, its usually an older doe. As you said she will snort, blow and stamp her front legs, and then that's all she wrote.
Try bow hunting in a tripod where you are 12' eyeheight in October and you are wearing a bug suit or leafy wear and its 95 to 105 degrees at 6pm in the afternoon and sweat is running into your eyes and dripping down onto the tripod, and you are 17 yds. from the feeder. You get busted most every time before a deer gets within bowshot range, which for me is 33 yds. max for deer and 45 yds for hogs.
At 67 I've turned into a wuss. Give me an elevated blind 100 to 300 yds. away. The odds are much more in my favor!
ya!
GWB
Where do you hunt? Looks a lot like my lease in Burnet
I really don't understand why you Texas boys don't give up your illusions that you are sporting and really hunt "fair chase" and just use thermal imaging technology and hunt at night. If that's not appealing just a spotlight will work. You could combine it with one of those new fangled integrated shooting systems that matches a rifle to a computerized, heads up display screen like in a fighter jet. The computer calculates distance, wind speed and trajectory for you. All you have to do is point the thing at a deer, lock it on target and the computer guidance system fires the rifle at precisely the right instant to virtually guarantee a hit. Supposedly makes 1000 yard hits a virtual, fool proof certainty and completely eliminates any need for skill. Should be right up your alley. Combine that with some tame, fenced in, hand raised deer and a feeder and there you go. The Texas hunters version of nirvana.
I really don't understand why you Texas boys don't give up your illusions that you are sporting and really hunt "fair chase" and just use thermal imaging technology and hunt at night. If that's not appealing just a spotlight will work. You could combine it with one of those new fangled integrated shooting systems that matches a rifle to a computerized, heads up display screen like in a fighter jet. The computer calculates distance, wind speed and trajectory for you. All you have to do is point the thing at a deer, lock it on target and the computer guidance system fires the rifle at precisely the right instant to virtually guarantee a hit. Supposedly makes 1000 yard hits a virtual, fool proof certainty and completely eliminates any need for skill. Should be right up your alley. Combine that with some tame, fenced in, hand raised deer and a feeder and there you go. The Texas hunters version of nirvana.
Blackheart, would you consider being the new Hunting Czar for 24HCF?
I really don't understand why you Texas boys don't give up your illusions that you are sporting and really hunt "fair chase" and just use thermal imaging technology and hunt at night. If that's not appealing just a spotlight will work. You could combine it with one of those new fangled integrated shooting systems that matches a rifle to a computerized, heads up display screen like in a fighter jet. The computer calculates distance, wind speed and trajectory for you. All you have to do is point the thing at a deer, lock it on target and the computer guidance system fires the rifle at precisely the right instant to virtually guarantee a hit. Supposedly makes 1000 yard hits a virtual, fool proof certainty and completely eliminates any need for skill. Should be right up your alley. Combine that with some tame, fenced in, hand raised deer and a feeder and there you go. The Texas hunters version of nirvana.
Its a simple case of mind over matter.
I don't mind,
you don't matter,
BTW,
as to the Kill light, night vision, thermal thingy"
I can do that, 24/7/365, as I live in the great state of Texas
Adds a new dimension to being "afield, which I do anywhere from sixty to ninety days( and now nights) a year for the last 20 years or so.
I really don't understand why you Texas boys don't give up your illusions that you are sporting and really hunt "fair chase" and just use thermal imaging technology and hunt at night. If that's not appealing just a spotlight will work. You could combine it with one of those new fangled integrated shooting systems that matches a rifle to a computerized, heads up display screen like in a fighter jet. The computer calculates distance, wind speed and trajectory for you. All you have to do is point the thing at a deer, lock it on target and the computer guidance system fires the rifle at precisely the right instant to virtually guarantee a hit. Supposedly makes 1000 yard hits a virtual, fool proof certainty and completely eliminates any need for skill. Should be right up your alley. Combine that with some tame, fenced in, hand raised deer and a feeder and there you go. The Texas hunters version of nirvana.
My latest are a series of solar powered motion activated lights that the hogs set off and light themselves up when they come in so I can shoot 'em!
Works well. I've learned to wait for the best shot with my AR10 .308... I wait until they line up, and shoot more than one with one shot. 4 in one shot is my personal best.
smoke, with all due respect, the Poobah has a thing for mayo and banana sandwiches. That alone disqualifies him from Czarmanship IMO. Besides, he's hunted TX enough now he's a halfasssed Texan. He did NOT learn his peculiar eating habits down here though I assure you.
smoke, with all due respect, the Poobah has a thing for mayo and banana sandwiches. That alone disqualifies him from Czarmanship IMO. Besides, he's hunted TX enough now he's a halfasssed Texan. He did NOT learn his peculiar eating habits down here though I assure you.
This is fact.
Texans usually slap a huge black dick in the middle of their meal.
Looks like a lioness. You ever shoot any free ranging, full grown male critters without bait, paying to do it or hiring a guide/professional hunter ? Just curious.
Looks like a lioness. You ever shoot any free ranging, full grown male critters without bait, paying to do it or hiring a guide/professional hunter ? Just curious.
I've culled more game than you've ever shot at. If you work in the oil patch and can't afford to hunt wherever you want to, you must be in the single digit IQ line.
Looks like a lioness. You ever shoot any free ranging, full grown male critters without bait, paying to do it or hiring a guide/professional hunter ? Just curious.
Yes,I have.
Where are your pictures?
In my photo album. BTW, I didn't mean full grown male jackrabbits.
Looks like a lioness. You ever shoot any free ranging, full grown male critters without bait, paying to do it or hiring a guide/professional hunter ? Just curious.
Yes,I have.
Where are your pictures?
You have any fair chase, public land pics or this going to be 250k pics vs 300.00 public land tags.
I've culled more game than you've ever shot at. If you work in the oil patch and can't afford to hunt wherever you want to, you must be in the single digit IQ line.
I have the money, I just understand what hunting is.
I've killed whitetails bigger than that on public ground in NY. No stands, no feeders, no food plots, no ATV'. by myself. You think you can do it come on out mr. moneybags. I'll put you into 200,000 acres of wilderness and turn you loose.
I've killed whitetails bigger than that on public ground in NY. No stands, no feeders, no food plots, no ATV'. by myself. You think you can do it come on out mr. moneybags. I'll put you into 200,000 acres of wilderness and turn you loose.
I've killed whitetails bigger than that on public ground in NY. No stands, no feeders, no food plots, no ATV'. by myself. You think you can do it come on out mr. moneybags. I'll put you into 200,000 acres of wilderness and turn you loose.
You should really stop posting all those pictures of dinks. Makes you look like the most incompetent boob hunter on the web. I had a friend who deer hunted here for 10 years and never killed a single buck. Undoubtedly the worst hunter I've ever seen. Finally out of frustration he booked a hunt on a Texas ranch. Came back with a 150" buck. And you go to Texas and shoot that piddly ass dink.
I thought this site was full of hunters. Instead, it looks to be a bunch of whiny ass hacks. Good luck with it. Hope y’all don’t run outta corn and starve to death.
I thought this site was full of hunters. Instead, it looks to be a bunch of whiny ass hacks. Good luck with it. Hope y’all don’t run outta corn and starve to death.
Good luck in Austin. At least we don't have to hear your incessant whining a crying about living in Carlsbad any more. Bet you're getting a house with a big trophy room for all those studs you've whacked on private land.
I thought this site was full of hunters. Instead, it looks to be a bunch of whiny ass hacks. Good luck with it. Hope y’all don’t run outta corn and starve to death.
Every time you think you prove how incapable you are at it.
I thought this site was full of hunters. Instead, it looks to be a bunch of whiny ass hacks. Good luck with it. Hope y’all don’t run outta corn and starve to death.
Good luck in Austin. At least we don't have to hear your incessant whining a crying about living in Carlsbad any more. Bet you're getting a house with a big trophy room for all those studs you've whacked on private land.
I’ve never personally hunted private, pastor, that’s your bag. Ya know, money always makes the best hunters, right, pastor?
If all you've ever hunted is public land NM, and you "have money" as you say, then you've nobody to blame but yourself. Jealousy is an ugly thing SB. You've gone over the edge.
I've worked hard for every penny I have, and make no apologies for it. If I choose to go on a guided hunt, or pay for private ground access to good country, I won't apologize for that either. Why should I?
If all you've ever hunted is public land NM, and you "have money" as you say, then you've nobody to blame but yourself. Jealousy is an ugly thing SB. You've gone over the edge.
When did I say that? You have no answer so you deflect to your usual bullshit. If I wanted to pay ridiculous amounts to “hunt” the way you do, I would. You don’t hunt, you pay ridiculous amounts for people to tell you when to shoot. You’re pathetic.
We've been on the verge of legalizing corn for awhile now. I used to think I didn't care either way. Some want it, some don't, and some just don't gaf..
After following this thread I'm definitely against it. The last thing we need is a bunch of Alabama rednecks runnin' around tryin' to act all Texan and shidt.
If all you've ever hunted is public land NM, and you "have money" as you say, then you've nobody to blame but yourself. Jealousy is an ugly thing SB. You've gone over the edge.
When did I say that? You have no answer so you deflect to your usual bullshit. If I wanted to pay ridiculous amounts to “hunt” the way you do, I would. You don’t hunt, you pay ridiculous amounts for people to tell you when to shoot. You’re pathetic.
How much do I pay? I guide myself on private ground TX, does that count as a guided hunt?
We've been on the verge of legalizing corn for awhile now. I used to think I didn't care either way. Some want it, some don't, and some just don't gaf..
After following this thread I'm definitely against it. The last thing we need is a bunch of Alabama rednecks runnin' around tryin' to act all Texan and shidt.
I thought this site was full of hunters. Instead, it looks to be a bunch of whiny ass hacks. Good luck with it. Hope y’all don’t run outta corn and starve to death.
Good luck in Austin. At least we don't have to hear your incessant whining a crying about living in Carlsbad any more. Bet you're getting a house with a big trophy room for all those studs you've whacked on private land.
I’ve never personally hunted private, pastor, that’s your bag. Ya know, money always makes the best hunters, right, pastor?
Drew this antelope tag here in NM and it was on a private ranch. All I paid was the license and tag.
I bet you’d see more deer at the feeders if you put food in all of them rather than only two of the feeders. This is why you’re seeing more deer away from the feeders because all but two of your feeders are empty. Deer gotta eat too. Or did you make a typo ? Why have an empty feeder?
Edit: Ohio isn’t far if you need someone to show you.
No thanks, since I would have to charge the deer rent if I filled the other 3 feeders. They are empty and in storage. If the deer could get to them, I'd have scat throughout the cabin, and who needs that? As for the lessons, I'd prefer to learn from someone who actually knew what he was talking about. Since you clearly do not, I'll stick with what works just fine. About the only thing that will bring a mature buck out of the darkness, is sex, not food. Bucks feed at night.
Deer have sex? I’ve never learned so much about deer.
We've been on the verge of legalizing corn for awhile now. I used to think I didn't care either way. Some want it, some don't, and some just don't gaf..
After following this thread I'm definitely against it. The last thing we need is a bunch of Alabama rednecks runnin' around tryin' to act all Texan and shidt.
You likely need all the help you can get anyway.
I'm always lookin' for a little help. What I really need help with is convincing all these Tejan's immigrating here that it ain't Texas. Every time I ask one why they don't go back home, I get a blank stare. They shuffle their feet, laugh and say "So you ain't been to Texas lately".
We've been on the verge of legalizing corn for awhile now. I used to think I didn't care either way. Some want it, some don't, and some just don't gaf..
After following this thread I'm definitely against it. The last thing we need is a bunch of Alabama rednecks runnin' around tryin' to act all Texan and shidt.
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No, they work and pay taxes. They seem to do whatever it takes to make payments on new 4wd, 4 door, 3/4 ton grocery getters. Those must be popular over there?
I bet you’d see more deer at the feeders if you put food in all of them rather than only two of the feeders. This is why you’re seeing more deer away from the feeders because all but two of your feeders are empty. Deer gotta eat too. Or did you make a typo ? Why have an empty feeder?
Edit: Ohio isn’t far if you need someone to show you.
No thanks, since I would have to charge the deer rent if I filled the other 3 feeders. They are empty and in storage. If the deer could get to them, I'd have scat throughout the cabin, and who needs that? As for the lessons, I'd prefer to learn from someone who actually knew what he was talking about. Since you clearly do not, I'll stick with what works just fine. About the only thing that will bring a mature buck out of the darkness, is sex, not food. Bucks feed at night.
Deer have sex? I’ve never learned so much about deer.
To interject a quick question here. Since when do big bucks only eat at night? News to me but I’ve only seen 30-35 bucks, 6-7 of those probably 150-160”ers at that, in the last 3 weeks. Best I can tell they were all eating or at least pretending to, all during the day BTW.
We've been on the verge of legalizing corn for awhile now. I used to think I didn't care either way. Some want it, some don't, and some just don't gaf..
After following this thread I'm definitely against it. The last thing we need is a bunch of Alabama rednecks runnin' around tryin' to act all Texan and shidt.
Why, it would sure be a step up for sure.
We are gentlemen deer killeers.
I think it's a little different here. We have a lot of deer and a liberal season. Corn may enhance one's experience, but not necessary by any means.
I bet you’d see more deer at the feeders if you put food in all of them rather than only two of the feeders. This is why you’re seeing more deer away from the feeders because all but two of your feeders are empty. Deer gotta eat too. Or did you make a typo ? Why have an empty feeder?
Edit: Ohio isn’t far if you need someone to show you.
No thanks, since I would have to charge the deer rent if I filled the other 3 feeders. They are empty and in storage. If the deer could get to them, I'd have scat throughout the cabin, and who needs that? As for the lessons, I'd prefer to learn from someone who actually knew what he was talking about. Since you clearly do not, I'll stick with what works just fine. About the only thing that will bring a mature buck out of the darkness, is sex, not food. Bucks feed at night.
Deer have sex? I’ve never learned so much about deer.
To interject a quick question here. Since when do big bucks only eat at night? News to me but I’ve only seen 30-35 bucks, 6-7 of those probably 150-160”ers at that, in the last 3 weeks. Best I can tell they were all eating or at least pretending to, all during the day BTW.
Yeah, and you know them fools are gonna wanna eat after they have sex. Kellory just hunts in video games apparently.
GW, who's the guy with the sombrero, he's hard to get a good look at?
I can tell you he's not a great sheep hunter, nor great elk hunter, nor even a great mule deer hunter.......
He must be one handsome sumbitch, on account of he's always hidin' from the papparazzi. You reckon he's a Kardashian??
As best as I can tell,............
Geedub tends to be passive aggressive. How often in the last 10 years he has been here has he had an open conflict with any member other than Steelhead.
So, here goes.
Quite often, on TV, and in magazines (which I quit watching/subscribing to years ago) you see guys that go on fabulous hunts and kill magnificent trophy critters. From my experience, many of these are not what I would consider a legit hunts.
I know many folk decry the way we hunt in Texas, but there are only two critters out of the 40 or so mounts that I have on my wall, or on the floor in the case of a bear rug, that I did not take DIY. I have the knowledge that I earned all of those critters solely by my own efforts.
I have no problem with how anyone hunts, high fence, in Africa over a water-hole where animals must come to drink the water of life, or elk/bear/moose/sheep/mule deer hunts where guides have scouted the areas for weeks and months, know where the critters are located and bring the client to that area for a shot. I am not jealous of a hunters ability, desire, or good fortune to be able to hunt said critters.
What bugs me as a person who takes thousands of images, is that invariably the trophy hunter will pose any distance behind the trophy-critter they have just "harvested" vs. killed, and due to the camera angle the antlers/horns or some other feature will appear to be grossly exaggerated.
So, perhaps this is too much inside baseball, but it is my own private beef. That is like misrepresentation. Setting up a photo to give a false perception. To me it's akin to lying.
So, years ago I started taking photos where I was either beside the critter I'd "killed" or in front of it. I'm a meat hunter, not a trophy hunter. Out of the hundreds of critters I've killed, I've never personally "scored" a single one. Hunting is literally called out of me, and I go afield as often as possible. You've heard the statement "pix or it did not happen". I found early on that pix were a way to establish my bona fides. They also are a lasting way to savor hunts from days gone by.
Hiding behind the Sunbody "Gus" was just an added way to passively aggressively protest misrespresented "hero shots".
GW, who's the guy with the sombrero, he's hard to get a good look at?
I can tell you he's not a great sheep hunter, nor great elk hunter, nor even a great mule deer hunter.......
He must be one handsome sumbitch, on account of he's always hidin' from the papparazzi. You reckon he's a Kardashian??
As best as I can tell,............
Geedub tends to be passive aggressive. How often in the last 10 years he has been here has he had an open conflict with any member other than Steelhead.
So, here goes.
Quite often, on TV, and in magazines (which I quit watching/subscribing to years ago) you see guys that go on fabulous hunts and kill magnificent trophy critters. From my experience, many of these are not what I would consider a legit hunts.
I know many folk decry the way we hunt in Texas, but there are only two critters out of the 40 or so mounts that I have on my wall, or on the floor in the case of a bear rug, that I did not take DIY. I have the knowledge that I earned all of those critters solely by my own efforts.
I have no problem with how anyone hunts, high fence, in Africa over a water-hole where animals must come to drink the water of life, or elk/bear/moose/sheep/mule deer hunts where guides have scouted the areas for weeks and months, know where the critters are located and bring the client to that area for a shot. I am not jealous of a hunters ability, desire, or good fortune to be able to hunt said critters.
What bugs me as a person who takes thousands of images, is that invariably the trophy hunter will pose any distance behind the trophy-critter they have just "harvested" vs. killed, and due to the camera angle the antlers/horns or some other feature will appear to be grossly exaggerated.
So, perhaps this is too much inside baseball, but it is my own private beef. That is like misrepresentation. Setting up a photo to give a false perception. To me it's akin to lying.
So, years ago I started taking photos where I was either beside the critter I'd "killed" or in front of it. I'm a meat hunter, not a trophy hunter. Out of the hundreds of critters I've killed, I've never personally "scored" a single one. Hunting is literally called out of me, and I go afield as often as possible. You've heard the statement "pix or it did not happen". I found early on that pix were a way to establish my bona fides. They also are a lasting way to savor hunts from days gone by.
Hiding behind the Sunbody "Gus" was just an added way to passively aggressively protest misrespresented "hero shots".
Internet troll In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.
Texan:
A drooling, cross-eyed retard known to suffocate if forced to close its mouth.
I bet you’d see more deer at the feeders if you put food in all of them rather than only two of the feeders. This is why you’re seeing more deer away from the feeders because all but two of your feeders are empty. Deer gotta eat too. Or did you make a typo ? Why have an empty feeder?
Edit: Ohio isn’t far if you need someone to show you.
No thanks, since I would have to charge the deer rent if I filled the other 3 feeders. They are empty and in storage. If the deer could get to them, I'd have scat throughout the cabin, and who needs that? As for the lessons, I'd prefer to learn from someone who actually knew what he was talking about. Since you clearly do not, I'll stick with what works just fine. About the only thing that will bring a mature buck out of the darkness, is sex, not food. Bucks feed at night.
Deer have sex? I’ve never learned so much about deer.
To interject a quick question here. Since when do big bucks only eat at night? News to me but I’ve only seen 30-35 bucks, 6-7 of those probably 150-160”ers at that, in the last 3 weeks. Best I can tell they were all eating or at least pretending to, all during the day BTW.
Reading comprehension is low on this site. I did say "about". Deer do not read the rule book, and have individual ideas. They are somewhat predictable, but anyone who speaks in absolutes is likely wrong. I see folks here deriding eachother's deer for being too small? That's funny. The deer that I will always remember, was just a 4 point, taken at 7 yards from a pit blind. A bent sapling, my boot lace, and hand made arrows. No camo. No feeder, no scents. The idea was to see how primitive I could be, and still get meat. You think that's not hunting, you're mistaken.
I see folks here deriding eachother's deer for being too small? That's funny. The deer that I will always remember, was just a 4 point, taken at 7 yards from a pit blind. A bent sapling, my boot lace, and hand made arrows. No camo. No feeder, no scents. The idea was to see how primitive I could be, and still get meat. You think that's not hunting, you're mistaken.
Just when you thought a thread couldn't get any better...
I see folks here deriding eachother's deer for being too small? That's funny. The deer that I will always remember, was just a 4 point, taken at 7 yards from a pit blind. A bent sapling, my boot lace, and hand made arrows. No camo. No feeder, no scents. The idea was to see how primitive I could be, and still get meat. You think that's not hunting, you're mistaken.
Just when you thought a thread couldn't get any better...
I tried rabbits with spears, and slingshots as well. I still slingshot hunt to this day.
I thought this site was full of hunters. Instead, it looks to be a bunch of whiny ass hacks. Good luck with it. Hope y’all don’t run outta corn and starve to death.
Whoever taught you that YOUR way to hunt is the ONLY way to hunt?
Who taught you that you condemn others publicly for legal means of hunting?
You just now getting all offended and butthurt when you learn that millions of other hunters don't march in lockstep to what YOUR idea of hunting is? And you have been a member here for 10 years?
As offended as you are by people hunting outside your narrow views of how something should be done, I venture to say that your condemnation and ridicule of people that are free to do what they want has offended those that don't have such narrow minded, elitist views way more.
I may or may not agree with every method of hunting I encounter on any sort of media, maybe not even your way of hunting.... But I'll damned sure defend their right to do it. And yours as well.
Either get a clue, and leave, since you are so offended by everyone else's methods... Or continue down your self righteous, holier than thou path... (Which, by the way harms "hunting" much worse than the methods you so ignorantly condemn.)
Funny you should mention "a bunch of whiny ass hacks". Because the only ones meeting that description are you and the other idiot that everyone already knows is a moron.
It's really simple: the state agency sets the rules and you stay within those rules, if feeding is legal[in your state] it doesn't mean you have to do so, but if you do-so be it.
If blinds are legal it doesn't mean you have to use them.
Our state issued guide reads "by any legal means set forth"
Internet troll In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.
Texan:
A drooling, cross-eyed retard known to suffocate if forced to close its mouth.
ANYONE that received their first ass whipping in illanausea cant say a GD thing about the South OR Texas. but I can certainly see what causes it.
I never lost a hunting lease, but I worked for a very large (350K + acres) timber company and had access in the fall for hunting. I left that job 20 years ago and I'm still bummed I can no longer access all that land.
Geno
PS we weren't allowed to put up feeders...............or even salt licks. It would have helped. Anyone who has seen a clearcut overgrown with ceanothus. Himalaya berry, and poison oak would know that.
What's the biggest animal you've killed with a slingshot?
My son and I love slingshots but I don't think we've ever killed anything more bigger than a rabbit.
I killed rabbits, squirrels, raccoons, possums, 1 Turkey, buzzards, frogs, fish, (think that's about it. Haven't tried anything larger with any attempt to injury. ) I've used it a time or two to move along a horse or cow that would not leave me alone to hunt. Not a full power shot.
I never lost a hunting lease, but I worked for a very large (350K + acres) timber company and had access in the fall for hunting. I left that job 20 years ago and I'm still bummed I can no longer access all that land.
Geno
PS we weren't allowed to put up feeders...............or even salt licks. It would have helped. Anyone who has seen a clearcut overgrown with ceanothus. Himalaya berry, and poison oak would know that.
Hanco, sorry you lost your lease. Bummer!
Hope you can find one soon that will work for you and yours.
I don't think I answered your question in regards to the location of my "beer lease" more commonly known as "the Petting Zoo" to those way up north!
It is at Reagan Wells just below Concan, Texas about six miles in on the west side of State Highway 83.
Anwho, here's to you finding a lease, making 50 pages, and may God bless Texas!
I still have my lease in Burnet, I hunted a few years close to Rock Springs. Lots of turkey, deer, Axis, Black buck, Aoudads, mouflon. I had a stand there that had electricity, glass windows, it was nice!
you keep posting pics, I'll keep looking. We'll make 50 easy.
I don't really need a feeder much, they come right up in the yard to eat here. Of course, one can't hardly draw a tag here.
Am I hunting if I do draw a tag this year and this guy comes back even bigger and later in the year during the season and I shoot him from my front doorway where I took the pic from?
Not sure where to ask this. Is it ok to use bait when fishing? Don’t want to piss anyone off.
It depends. There’s a lot of rivers and lakes where bait is not allowed and only artificial lures are allowed, I guess they think it’s unethical and too easy. 😂
Seriously though it’s not allowed in several selective (C&R for certain species and origins) fisheries around here because of the mortality suffered by fish hooked using bait, it has NOTHING to do with ethics or ease. 👍
I don't really need a feeder much, they come right up in the yard to eat here. Of course, one can't hardly draw a tag here.
Am I hunting if I do draw a tag this year and this guy comes back even bigger and later in the year during the season and I shoot him from my front doorway where I took the pic from?
Geno
10/4,
I feel ya'
I luv to make jerky out of the meat of BlackBuck Antelope!
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However I've never had the urge to nail a speed goat......
until I saw
the "airplane".
Alas, it was not to be. Rick Menefee's brother Rusty did for "the Airplne".
Once 35 years ago I discovered the westernmost recorded breeding location of Swainson’s warblers ever recorded (yes, I’m that guy ) TPWD was relatively excited.
A visiting Ornithology Professor had never seen one so out we went. The Southern population of Swainson’s warblers breeds in dense brush along intermittently flooded, muddy streams and drainages, walking around on the ground flipping over leaves and debris with its beak to find food. This was June; hot, humid, mosquitoes, chiggers and ticks.
We spent two hours belly crawling around after a singing male, friggin bird kept moving away just out of sight. Finally the Professor says “screw this”, pulls out a tape recorder (remember them?) and plays a Swainson’s warbler track.
No sooner did he turn it on than the bird zooms right at him, struck his hat at then sat on a twig two feet over his head, singing away while looking around for the intruder (turns out Swainson’s warblers don’t mess around. Who knew?).
Anyhoo, the question I have is, was that unethical?
Oh. Hell yes, totally unethical, what were you thinking???? That is the same as having a heated blind with glass windows( I have three) or having corn feeders( I have seven)!!!!!!
Once 35 years ago I discovered the westernmost recorded breeding location of Swainson’s warblers ever recorded (yes, I’m that guy ) TPWD was relatively excited.
A visiting Ornithology Professor had never seen one so out we went. The Southern population of Swainson’s warblers breeds in dense brush along intermittently flooded, muddy streams and drainages, walking around on the ground flipping over leaves and debris with its beak to find food. This was June; hot, humid, mosquitoes, chiggers and ticks.
We spent two hours belly crawling around after a singing male, friggin bird kept moving away just out of sight. Finally the Professor says “screw this”, pulls out a tape recorder (remember them?) and plays a Swainson’s warbler track.
No sooner did he turn it on than the bird zooms right at him, struck his hat at then sat on a twig two feet over his head, singing away while looking around for the intruder (turns out Swainson’s warblers don’t mess around. Who knew?).
Anyhoo, the question I have is, was that unethical?
Yep!
Thinking back to the hundreds of coyotes I've killed with a FoxPro digital caller...
People just don’t appreciate the challenges of staying awake in a heated blind. Did you bring the recliner too? It ain’t easy to muscle them things up that ladder.
Sandbilly ain't gonna fit in when he moves to Texas, if he indeed does move. Going to be interesting to see how and where he hunts. Maybe he doesn't even hunt. Anyone know his age? Be interesting to know, I'm thinking late 20's, early 30's.
Sandbilly ain't gonna fit in when he moves to Texas, if he indeed does move. Going to be interesting to see how and where he hunts. Maybe he doesn't even hunt. Anyone know his age? Be interesting to know, I'm thinking late 20's, early 30's.
I personally can't believe anybody would want to move there. Hotter than hell, can't walk around and hunt, got to pay for a lease to hunt, very little public land, what little public land there is, is full of stupid fuggin Texans who will shoot at you, rattlesnakes and thorns fuggin EVERYWHERE. Sounds like a big fuggin shyt hole to me.
Sandbilly ain't gonna fit in when he moves to Texas, if he indeed does move. Going to be interesting to see how and where he hunts. Maybe he doesn't even hunt. Anyone know his age? Be interesting to know, I'm thinking late 20's, early 30's.
I personally can't believe anybody would want to move there. Hotter than hell, can't walk around and hunt, got to pay for a lease to hunt, very little public land, what little public land there is, is full of stupid fuggin Texans who will shoot at you, rattlesnakes and thorns fuggin EVERYWHERE. Sounds like a big fuggin shyt hole to me.
The best thing about Texas is the pretty women. I’ve been all over the country, all over the world, no place compares to Texas when it comes to pretty women!!! No brag, just fact!!!
The best thing about Texas is the pretty women. I’ve been all over the country, no place compares to Texas when it comes to pretty women!!! No brag, just fact!!!
After lining up several hogs and firing a shot last year as they were eating that evil CORN at the place I can shoot from my front carport, I went down to see what kind of carnage I had wreaked, and started dragging hogs to where I could pick them up...
I looked down and there on the ground was a big, black hog's tail just like the one you pictured!
All the dead ones had tails, so I reckon one got off minus his tail!
Sandbilly ain't gonna fit in when he moves to Texas, if he indeed does move. Going to be interesting to see how and where he hunts. Maybe he doesn't even hunt. Anyone know his age? Be interesting to know, I'm thinking late 20's, early 30's.
I personally can't believe anybody would want to move there. Hotter than hell, can't walk around and hunt, got to pay for a lease to hunt, very little public land, what little public land there is, is full of stupid fuggin Texans who will shoot at you, rattlesnakes and thorns fuggin EVERYWHERE. Sounds like a big fuggin shyt hole to me.
Please stay the fug up in Yankee Land.
That way you won't have to worry about it.
You are right about one thing... Some fuggin' Texas WILL shoot at you.
Rather have the rattlesnakes than an ignorant fug like you.
Sandbilly ain't gonna fit in when he moves to Texas, if he indeed does move. Going to be interesting to see how and where he hunts. Maybe he doesn't even hunt. Anyone know his age? Be interesting to know, I'm thinking late 20's, early 30's.
I personally can't believe anybody would want to move there. Hotter than hell, can't walk around and hunt, got to pay for a lease to hunt, very little public land, what little public land there is, is full of stupid fuggin Texans who will shoot at you, rattlesnakes and thorns fuggin EVERYWHERE. Sounds like a big fuggin shyt hole to me.
Please stay the fug up in Yankee Land.
That way you won't have to worry about it.
You are right about one thing... Some fuggin' Texas WILL shoot at you.
Rather have the rattlesnakes than an ignorant fug like you.
Thats funny. A Texan calling me ignorant. Particularly a big goofy lookin dumbass Texan like you. LMFAO
I'll tell you one thing. You Texans have such a warped, fugged up view of what counts as "hunting", that folks from up here generally don't consider any deer killed in Texas a legitimate, fair chase trophy.
I'll tell you one thing. You Texans have such a warped, fugged up view of what counts as "hunting", that folks from up here generally don't consider any deer killed in Texas a legitimate trophy.
I'm sure everyone down here is losing sleep over what you idiots think of our hunting.
I'll tell you one thing. You Texans have such a warped, fugged up view of what counts as "hunting", that folks from up here generally don't consider any deer killed in Texas a legitimate trophy.
I'm sure everyone down here is losing sleep over what you idiots think of our hunting.
I got news for you boy. We don't think a bit more highly of you Texans than you think of us.
I'll tell you one thing. You Texans have such a warped, fugged up view of what counts as "hunting", that folks from up here generally don't consider any deer killed in Texas a legitimate trophy.
I'm sure everyone down here is losing sleep over what you idiots think of our hunting.
I got news for you boy. We don't think a bit more highly of you Texans than you think of us.
I wonder how many Maine deer hunters go to Texas every year? A bunch would be my guess.
I'll tell you one thing. You Texans have such a warped, fugged up view of what counts as "hunting", that folks from up here generally don't consider any deer killed in Texas a legitimate trophy.
I'm sure everyone down here is losing sleep over what you idiots think of our hunting.
I got news for you boy. We don't think a bit more highly of you Texans than you think of us.
I wonder how many Maine deer hunters go to Texas every year? A bunch would be my guess.
Generally only the incompetent and/or lazy who want an easy kill.
This how it’s done; the Antis attack hunting one step at a time. A coalition of “hunters, Veterinarians, humane shelters and Biologists” attack a method of hunting as “Unsporting” and “Not Fair Chase”.
This how it’s done; the Antis attack hunting one step at a time. A coalition of “hunters, Veterinarians, humane shelters and Biologists” attack a method of hunting as “Unsporting” and “Not Fair Chase”.
This how it’s done; the Antis attack hunting one step at a time. A coalition of “hunters, Veterinarians, humane shelters and Biologists” attack a method of hunting as “Unsporting” and “Not Fair Chase”.
Been away from this thread for a while but noticed it was going pretty long considering the topic. In my experience, that usually means the thread has devolved into a poo-flinging free-for-all.
This how it’s done; the Antis attack hunting one step at a time. A coalition of “hunters, Veterinarians, humane shelters and Biologists” attack a method of hunting as “Unsporting” and “Not Fair Chase”.
Anybody who posts pictures or gives any information that would indicate who they work for on the internet is a retard. Won't happen.
Why is that? WHat's the downside of postinga picture on this website??
None. There are gunsmiths who post their works in the Custom rifles forum.
people who are good at their trade are proud to post pics of their work.
If I wasn't good at it they wouldn't have kept paying me all these years. I have no need to justify my skill to you or anyone else who isn't writing my checks.
Anybody who posts pictures or gives any information that would indicate who they work for on the internet is a retard. Won't happen.
Why is that? WHat's the downside of postinga picture on this website??
None. There are gunsmiths who post their works in the Custom rifles forum.
people who are good at their trade are proud to post pics of their work.
People who don't post stupid schitt that'd get 'em in trouble at work don't worry about it either. As far as being a "retard" there's a lot of people who post pictures on here that I have nothing but respect for. The're not the "retard" in this equation. The photos they post also prove that they've done what they've said they've done.
Anybody who posts pictures or gives any information that would indicate who they work for on the internet is a retard. Won't happen.
Why is that? WHat's the downside of postinga picture on this website??
None. There are gunsmiths who post their works in the Custom rifles forum.
people who are good at their trade are proud to post pics of their work.
People who don't post stupid schitt that'd get 'em in trouble at work don't worry about it either. As far as being a "retard" there's a lot of people who post pictures on here that I have nothing but respect for. The're not the "retard" in this equation. The photos they post also prove that they've done what they've said they've done.
I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you. Most who post pics on here only do it to brag.
No but we are literally not allowed to bring cameras into the shop or take pictures at all. Getting caught doing so is immediate grounds for dismissal.
I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you. Most who post pics on here only do it to brag.
You're right, you don't need to prove anything to me. Because I don't give a fugg about what you say you've done. Mostly becausde of how you come off on here, you could post a pic of yourself holding the world record whitetail and no one would give a fugg.
Why don't you answer my question though, what's the downside of positng pictures on here?
Might be a bit different for an employee than an independent. Been a while since I worked for anyone, but even way back when I still did it was pretty clear that one's internet persona could cause a lot of trouble. A low profile ain't a bad idea.
Sure,then why mention that you do custom work then?
Lots of folks hint at what they do on here without getting specific as to who they work for or what their specific job within the company is. Most just aren't called liars for it.
I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you. Most who post pics on here only do it to brag.
You're right, you don't need to prove anything to me. Because I don't give a fugg about what you say you've done. Mostly becausde of how you come off on here, you could post a pic of yourself holding the world record whitetail and no one would give a fugg.
Why don't you answer my question though, what's the downside of positng pictures on here?
Well for one thing I only have a laptop here and the only pictures I have are in a photo album. I ain't interested in going someplace to scan photo's for you. And YOU, of all people, don't have one millimeter of room to talk about "how you come off on here".... Idiot.
Might be a bit different for an employee than an independent. Been a while since I worked for anyone, but even way back when I still did it was pretty clear that one's internet persona could cause a lot of trouble. A low profile ain't a bad idea.
If you don't want people to know what you do,don't mention it or give hints. When you say you do X and then keep being evasive about it,you bring the wrath of what happens next all on yourself.
I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you. Most who post pics on here only do it to brag.
You're right, you don't need to prove anything to me. Because I don't give a fugg about what you say you've done. Mostly becausde of how you come off on here, you could post a pic of yourself holding the world record whitetail and no one would give a fugg.
Why don't you answer my question though, what's the downside of positng pictures on here?
Well for one thing I only have a laptop here and the only pictures I have are in a photo album. I ain't interested in going someplace to scan photo's for you. And YOU, of all people, don't have one millimeter of room to talk about "how you come off on here".... Idiot.
Nice try but you still din't answer my question, you can understand English, right?
I'm not asking you why you don't post photos, I'm asking you why other people who do are "retards," as you said. I can draw a picture if you want.
If you don't want people to know what you do,don't mention it or give hints. When you say you do X and then keep being evasive about it,you bring the wrath of what happens next all on yourself.
Well, you say you're a farmer but you don't say a farmer of what or for who. Most every farmer I know complains about how little money there is in farming these days, yet you've got the money to traipse all over hunting, including to Africa. I've often wondered if what you "farm" is legal or not. Visions of giant pot plants have entered my thoughts a time or two. I grew up in a farming family. Knew every farmer for miles around. Never knew a one who had money to go on safari. Just never had the lack of class to accuse you of being a liar or the give a shyt to really care.
No one has pointed it out yet but there’s a whole state’s worth equivalent of ranch land in Texas that would have been converted to high-dollar acreage homesites by now we’re it not for the income derived from high fence hunting.
Personally I could care less how people kill stuff ‘long as it’s done sustainably and humanely as possible.
Fair chase? OK ya gotta start buck-nekkid with a pile of flint nodules, anything less and yer just a wannabe.
I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you. Most who post pics on here only do it to brag.
You're right, you don't need to prove anything to me. Because I don't give a fugg about what you say you've done. Mostly becausde of how you come off on here, you could post a pic of yourself holding the world record whitetail and no one would give a fugg.
Why don't you answer my question though, what's the downside of positng pictures on here?
Well for one thing I only have a laptop here and the only pictures I have are in a photo album. I ain't interested in going someplace to scan photo's for you. And YOU, of all people, don't have one millimeter of room to talk about "how you come off on here".... Idiot.
Nice try but you still din't answer my question, you can understand English, right?
I'm not asking you why you don't post photos, I'm asking you why other people who do are "retards," as you said. I can draw a picture if you want.
I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you. Most who post pics on here only do it to brag.
You're right, you don't need to prove anything to me. Because I don't give a fugg about what you say you've done. Mostly becausde of how you come off on here, you could post a pic of yourself holding the world record whitetail and no one would give a fugg.
Why don't you answer my question though, what's the downside of positng pictures on here?
Well for one thing I only have a laptop here and the only pictures I have are in a photo album. I ain't interested in going someplace to scan photo's for you. And YOU, of all people, don't have one millimeter of room to talk about "how you come off on here".... Idiot.
Nice try but you still din't answer my question, you can understand English, right?
I'm not asking you why you don't post photos, I'm asking you why other people who do are "retards," as you said. I can draw a picture if you want.
Yeah, go ahead and draw some pictures.
So, you call people who post pictures "retards" but you don't know why. Got it.
So what is wrong with showing your custom work here? If you're proud of of it why not show them?
We are forbidden from saying anything about our work on the internet. Required to sign a paper at time of hire to that effect.
And yet,you tell everyone here that you do custom work on firearms. Seems to me you brought all this upon yourself.
You should heed the high lighted and keep your mouth shut.
I've said I build custom pistols and that is all. No speifics as to what pistols, methods or tooling we use, or who I work for. I don't think I've said anything that would jeapordize my employment and don't intend to.
So, you call people who post pictures "retards" but you don't know why. Got it.
Posting personal information of any kind on the net is a bad idea on so many levels I'm just not going to get into it. Bad things can and do happen to good people who over indulge on the net and that's all I'm going to say.
So, you call people who post pictures "retards" but you don't know why. Got it.
Posting personal information of any kind on the net is a bad idea on so many levels I'm just not going to get into it. Bad things can and do happen to good people who over indulge on the net and that's all I'm going to say.
How many people do you know who have posted pictures on this website and had "bad things" happen to them for the simple reason they posted a picture of themselves?
So, you call people who post pictures "retards" but you don't know why. Got it.
Posting personal information of any kind on the net is a bad idea on so many levels I'm just not going to get into it. Bad things can and do happen to good people who over indulge on the net and that's all I'm going to say.
How many people do you know who have posted pictures on this website and had "bad things" happen to them for the simple reason they posted a picture of themselves?
NOBODY that posts pictures ONLY posts pictures. There are folks who make a living sifting through posts and pictures to put together enough information to know what you have, what you do, what your political and religious beliefs are, when you are likely to be home or not and where you are located.
How many people do you know who have posted pictures on this website and had "bad things" happen to them for the simple reason they posted a picture of themselves?
I can't speak to that but I can tell you that members on here (Fireballz) have used the internet to find personal info about me and my family and posted it online.
I think a certain level of anonymity should be respected on sites like this. Otherwise you can just take it to Facebook and post under your real name.
So, you call people who post pictures "retards" but you don't know why. Got it.
Posting personal information of any kind on the net is a bad idea on so many levels I'm just not going to get into it. Bad things can and do happen to good people who over indulge on the net and that's all I'm going to say.
How many people do you know who have posted pictures on this website and had "bad things" happen to them for the simple reason they posted a picture of themselves?
NOBODY that posts picture ONLY posts pictures. There are folks who make a living sifting through posts and pictures to put together enough information to know what you have, what you do, what your political and religious beliefs are and where you are located.
NOBODY that posts picture ONLY posts pictures. There are folks who make a living sifting through posts and pictures to put together enough information to know what you have, what you do, what your political and religious beliefs are and where you are located.
This is 100% correct.
There are some straight nut jobs out there.
Hell, one night Bristoe got so mad he found the house I was selling in Havre. LMAO. And he's Mr. "Jus da Innanet."
Or if you prefer, I can ask the question another way. How many people do you know who've had "bad things" happen to them becuase of the information they've posted here, including photos?
So, you call people who post pictures "retards" but you don't know why. Got it.
Posting personal information of any kind on the net is a bad idea on so many levels I'm just not going to get into it. Bad things can and do happen to good people who over indulge on the net and that's all I'm going to say.
How many people do you know who have posted pictures on this website and had "bad things" happen to them for the simple reason they posted a picture of themselves?
NOBODY that posts picture ONLY posts pictures. There are folks who make a living sifting through posts and pictures to put together enough information to know what you have, what you do, what your political and religious beliefs are and where you are located.
So your answer in "none," do I have that right?
I work with someone who was robbed as a result of information posted on the net. My brothers identity was stolen as a result of information posted on the net. I'm not giving out much. You do as you please.
Or if you prefer, I can ask the question another way. How many people do you know who've had "bad things" happen to them becuase of the information they've posted here, including photos?
Are you reading the thread or just posting as fast as you can?
I work with someone who was robbed as a result of information posted on the net. My brothers identity was stolen as a result of information posted on the net. I'm not giving out much. You do as you please.
"Information posted on the net" wasn't the question now was it? Photos posted on the 24 hourcampfire was the question. How many people do you know who've had "bad things" happen as a result of posting photos on this website?
Or if you prefer, I can ask the question another way. How many people do you know who've had "bad things" happen to them becuase of the information they've posted here, including photos?
Are you reading the thread or just posting as fast as you can?
Or if you prefer, I can ask the question another way. How many people do you know who've had "bad things" happen to them becuase of the information they've posted here, including photos?
Are you reading the thread or just posting as fast as you can?
I work with someone who was robbed as a result of information posted on the net. My brothers identity was stolen as a result of information posted on the net. I'm not giving out much. You do as you please.
"Information posted on the net" wasn't the question now was it? Photos posted on the 24 hourcampfire was the question. How many people do yoiu know who've had "bad things" happen as a result of posting photos on this website?
I already did answer it and you would know that if you weren't a goddam fuggin stupid mouthy retard and could actually read. I don't owe you a goddam thing and am done with your worthless ass.
I work with someone who was robbed as a result of information posted on the net. My brothers identity was stolen as a result of information posted on the net. I'm not giving out much. You do as you please.
"Information posted on the net" wasn't the question now was it? Photos posted on the 24 hourcampfire was the question. How many people do yoiu know who've had "bad things" happen as a result of posting photos on this website?
I already did answer it and you woud know that if you weren't a goddam fuggin stupid mouthy retard. I don't owe you a goddam thing and am done witjh your worthless ass.
LOL, you call people "retards" because you're worried about something happening, and you can't come up with a single example of it happening.
If you don't want people to know what you do,don't mention it or give hints. When you say you do X and then keep being evasive about it,you bring the wrath of what happens next all on yourself.
Well, you say you're a farmer but you don't say a farmer of what or for who. Most every farmer I know complains about how little money there is in farming these days, yet you've got the money to traipse all over hunting, including to Africa. I've often wondered if what you "farm" is legal or not. Visions of giant pot plants have entered my thoughts a time or two. I grew up in a farming family. Knew every farmer for miles around. Never knew a one who had money to go on safari. Just never had the lack of class to accuse you of being a liar or the give a shyt to really care.
Alfalfa,corn,pecans is what we grow. The alfalfa and corn go to the dairy and the pecans we sell to a local broker and then the pecans go to whomever wants pecans.
As far as going to Africa,it's called saving money.
You asked I answered and I did not give you the run around.
If you don't want people to know what you do,don't mention it or give hints. When you say you do X and then keep being evasive about it,you bring the wrath of what happens next all on yourself.
Well, you say you're a farmer but you don't say a farmer of what or for who. Most every farmer I know complains about how little money there is in farming these days, yet you've got the money to traipse all over hunting, including to Africa. I've often wondered if what you "farm" is legal or not. Visions of giant pot plants have entered my thoughts a time or two. I grew up in a farming family. Knew every farmer for miles around. Never knew a one who had money to go on safari. Just never had the lack of class to accuse you of being a liar or the give a shyt to really care.
Alfalfa,corn,pecans is what we grow. The alfalfa and corn go to the dairy and the pecans we sell to a local broker and then the pecans go to whomever wants pecans..
Yeah I bet. How many pot plants out in the corn field ? I know lots of farmers here grow corn and alfalfa. The only ones with much money got some pot patches out in the corn field.
If you don't want people to know what you do,don't mention it or give hints. When you say you do X and then keep being evasive about it,you bring the wrath of what happens next all on yourself.
Well, you say you're a farmer but you don't say a farmer of what or for who. Most every farmer I know complains about how little money there is in farming these days, yet you've got the money to traipse all over hunting, including to Africa. I've often wondered if what you "farm" is legal or not. Visions of giant pot plants have entered my thoughts a time or two. I grew up in a farming family. Knew every farmer for miles around. Never knew a one who had money to go on safari. Just never had the lack of class to accuse you of being a liar or the give a shyt to really care.
Alfalfa,corn,pecans is what we grow. The alfalfa and corn go to the dairy and the pecans we sell to a local broker and then the pecans go to whomever wants pecans..
Yeah I bet. How many pot plants out in the corn field ? I know lots of farmers here grow corn and alfalfa. The only ones with much money got some pot patches out in the corn field.
None.
Now I answered your questions,show us some pictures of the custom work you have done?
If you don't want people to know what you do,don't mention it or give hints. When you say you do X and then keep being evasive about it,you bring the wrath of what happens next all on yourself.
Well, you say you're a farmer but you don't say a farmer of what or for who. Most every farmer I know complains about how little money there is in farming these days, yet you've got the money to traipse all over hunting, including to Africa. I've often wondered if what you "farm" is legal or not. Visions of giant pot plants have entered my thoughts a time or two. I grew up in a farming family. Knew every farmer for miles around. Never knew a one who had money to go on safari. Just never had the lack of class to accuse you of being a liar or the give a shyt to really care.
Alfalfa,corn,pecans is what we grow. The alfalfa and corn go to the dairy and the pecans we sell to a local broker and then the pecans go to whomever wants pecans..
Yeah I bet. How many pot plants out in the corn field ? I know lots of farmers here grow corn and alfalfa. The only ones with much money got some pot patches out in the corn field.
None.
Now I answered your questions,show us some pictures of the custom work you have done?
Most are just smart enough to keep their mouth shut when it hurts what sport they say they are defending.
3 out of 4... Dumbass.
If you were worried about "the sport" you wouldn't condone methods that make hunters look like nothing more than lazy, blood thirsty killers in the eyes of the non hunting public. Dumbass.
Most are just smart enough to keep their mouth shut when it hurts what sport they say they are defending.
3 out of 4... Dumbass.
If you were worried about "the sport" you wouldn't condone methods that make hunters look like nothing more than blood thirsty killers in the eyes of the non hunting public.
So, you call people who post pictures "retards" but you don't know why. Got it.
Posting personal information of any kind on the net is a bad idea on so many levels I'm just not going to get into it. Bad things can and do happen to good people who over indulge on the net and that's all I'm going to say.
That is good advice Blackheart. But you've posted you live Upstate, hunt the Adirondacks, work as/for a custom pistolsmith which are all bits of personal info. Hard to track you down, but a good researcher probably could get a start with what you've posted.
Along with the suggestion of Oriskany Arms, perhaps you work for one of these folks? Or maybe you are one of these folks? No need to answer, as your kind of prohibited from doing so, eh?
Likely not DeBello, as he's down on Long Island from what I gather. I'd guess Turnbull might not want employees to post work related stuff for all to see, he's got a thriving business going and bad press on a forum like this might not be something he desires. Cominolli seems to have some sort of patented machining process going on, another reason for a privacy clause on hiring?
I'm with you in some ways in that I personally don't hunt over bait. I think I mentioned I have hunted from a stand, elevated and on the ground. I've hunted places that are wide open, and others you can't see 20' in front of you. Thorns (think catclaw/mesquite/berries), cholla fields, rattlers. From near zero degrees to well over 100. From over 7000' to near sea level. I've not been very successful, but I've enjoyed myself with a traditional bow, caplock rifle, revolver, and modern rifles. However I hunt I'm not going to blast these guys on here that use a different method, that is legal and apparently to the culture they grew up with, not immoral or unethical.
No more than I would go to a foreign country and tell the natives there that poison arrows are unethical for shooting monkeys out of the treetops. Or beating poisonous vines in the water to catch fish is not fishing, same with building a platform along the Columbia river to net salmon.
I have whippets, and it's legal here in Cali (for the meantime at least) to course rabbits with hounds. We'd gladly let our female out after them in the flats behind the house as she'd be likely to return, but our male might be gone on a long chase, after the rabbit, after a deer if one popped up while chasing the rabbit, after the local coyotes if he saw one of them. So for now we don't take advantage of that legal method of rabbit hunting. Some in this world would consider that "barbaric" and not "hunting" as in spot and stalk hunting for them, or walking the fields with a shotgun. If I ever decide to get him a GPS collar so we can track him down, he may yet get to course some of these jackrabbits here. Whether or not you, the local dog lovers, PETA or anyone else believes it is not a fair way to hunt.
You've made you point, as I likely have too. Stand hunting over bait is not for all of us. Big deal. Stalking the woods in period clothing with a bow or muzzleloader is not for all of us either.
Geno
PS, if gdub was to invite me down to hunt one of those "walk in and sit up in the stand" places in that brush country, and I was able to get the time and resources together to do it....................................I'd likely not turn him down. It may not be my preferred method of hunting, but it's better than no hunting at all. And he seems to be a nice enough fellow who attempts to rid the world of the porcine plague, and maybe an exotic or two.
PPS if you've followed this 'fire thing for any length of time you might have seen some of elks pics of his farm. It's for real.
Most are just smart enough to keep their mouth shut when it hurts what sport they say they are defending.
3 out of 4... Dumbass.
If you were worried about "the sport" you wouldn't condone methods that make hunters look like nothing more than blood thirsty killers in the eyes of the non hunting public.
Anyone that kills any animal by any means already looks like a bloodthirsty killer to antihunters.
My comment had more to do with blackheart not being willing to post a pic when challenged, and whining about how other people hunt.
And I gave you several legitimate reasons why I won't post pictures.
Fair enough, you don't need to explain to me why you don't post pictures, and you're right, that's none of my business. My question was why you think people who post photos here are "retards."
Do you think guys like Mule Deer and Scenarshooter are retards because they've posted pictures here?
My comment had more to do with blackheart not being willing to post a pic when challenged, and whining about how other people hunt.
And I gave you several legitimate reasons why I won't post pictures.
Fair enough, you don't need to explain to me why you don't post pictures, and you're right, that's none of my business. My question was why you think people who post photos here are "retards."
Do you think guys like Mule Deer and Scenarshooter are retards because they've posted pictures here?
I think anybody who gives out too much information on here is taking a stupid, avoidable risk.
Most are just smart enough to keep their mouth shut when it hurts what sport they say they are defending.
3 out of 4... Dumbass.
If you were worried about "the sport" you wouldn't condone methods that make hunters look like nothing more than blood thirsty killers in the eyes of the non hunting public.
Anyone that kills any animal by any means already looks like a bloodthirsty killer to antihunters.
No but we are literally not allowed to bring cameras into the shop or take pictures at all. Getting caught doing so is immediate grounds for dismissal.
I think anybody who gives out too much information on here is taking a stupid, avoidable risk.
No doubt about that. You'd make a great politician by the way, your skill at not answering questions while you're pretending to answer questions is up there with the best.
Do you consider posting photos on this website to be a stupid, avoidable risk? So much so that anyone who's done it is a retard?
If you were worried about "the sport" you wouldn't condone methods that make hunters look like nothing more than lazy, blood thirsty killers in the eyes of the non hunting public. Dumbass.
Real fishermen dangle their little Talley wackers in the water for bait.
You just gave Kellory an “I-dear”.
Eagerly awaiting a minimalist bait fishing post.
I brought back some stinky mackerel from my "deep sea" fishing adventure last year. It's in the freezer waiting for me to take it to the lake and do some minimalist catfish baiting.
New here but is losing a Texas Lease a bad thing? Is it mean you have to actually have to go Hunting?
Texas has very little public land subsidized by the rest of the country. If you want to hunt, you mostly have to hunt on private land and the landowner dictates the rules. We hunt out of box blinds because that's what the landowner wants. Simple as that. At least we don't hunt from the roads on BLM or USFS, that's more sporty I guess?
All set— used an old razor blade for a broad head. Now I just need to find a deer.
Maybe I can get corn on Amazon Prime.
Single edge? Double?
Wilkinson Sword?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Geno
I’d post pics, but fear they’d expose me to targeted advertising and internet stalkers.
You've got a safe room and a shower gun in case they show up at your '20, right?
Geno
I’m never without the dragon slayer and have hundreds of ball bearings stashed all over the place.
I see you have had fun in my absence. Now that is bizarre looking. How well does it actually shoot? Does not look very comfortable to grip, and ball bearings cost money without need. I use surplus hex nuts. Works just fine.
Nah, just go around the bottom with a churchkey and poke some holes. One hole on the top rim thru the top and side to run a string thru. Tie it up and let it drip, them deers will knock the can around and kernels will fall out some. Keeps them around the feeder until daylight, so's you can shoot 'em legal like.
If you tie em up too high for the hogs, not to worry. They'll climb right up on the back of them deers and knock even more kernels out. I've heard stories of friendly bucks liftin' the little piglet up in they horns so the little ones get a taste too.
Big Jim mentioned cream kern.......................Use that if'n ya gots an ol' granny doe with no mo teefers left. She cain't handle the kernels.
Geno
PS, the churchkey holes work for chummin' planted trouts in the lake too. Tie em up outa sight so the warden don't know. Use cat food if'n you wanna catch catfishes.
I expect this to be over 50 pages when I get back from town. Local art center is having "buy a handmade bowl and fill it with soup day" . Get a free salad and Dee-zert too!
Need some chicken supplies from the feed store too. No corn for bait though, Illegal here. I can probably shoot a deer off the salt blocks my rancher neighbor has on the BLM land right outside my fence. I better put in for a tag here, just in case.
Nah, just go around the bottom with a churchkey and poke some holes. One hole on the top rim thru the top and side to run a string thru. Tie it up and let it drip, them deers will knock the can around and kernels will fall out some. Keeps them around the feeder until daylight, so's you can shoot 'em legal like.
If you tie em up too high for the hogs, not to worry. They'll climb right up on the back of them deers and knock even more kernels out. I've heard stories of friendly bucks liftin' the little piglet up in they horns so the little ones get a taste too.
Big Jim mentioned cream kern.......................Use that if'n ya gots an ol' granny doe with no mo teefers left. She cain't handle the kernels.
Geno
PS, the churchkey holes work for chummin' planted trouts in the lake too. Tie em up outa sight so the warden don't know. Use cat food if'n you wanna catch catfishes.
Geno, were not hunting goats. For deer, you gotta open the cans for’em, right?
Oh. Probably the explosive ones.... As I already said, reading comprehension is low on this site. I have never attempted large game with a slingshot. And it wouldn't be ethical to attempt it, since the chance of success would be extremely low. Post your results when you attempt it.
How many people do you know who have posted pictures on this website and had "bad things" happen to them for the simple reason they posted a picture of themselves?
I can't speak to that but I can tell you that members on here (Fireballz) have used the internet to find personal info about me and my family and posted it online.
I think a certain level of anonymity should be respected on sites like this. Otherwise you can just take it to Facebook and post under your real name.
and that is total bullshct to do......you don't like someone...I get it....slug it out on the forum…..but to post personal info, and include family....that is the mark of a sniveling pussy...….bob
and that is total bullshct to do......you don't like someone...I get it....slug it out on the forum…..but to post personal info, and include family....that is the mark of a sniveling pussy...….bob
Those are my thoughts.
Unless somebody is being caustic or harmful I think an individual should maintain a certain level of bearing. Obviously some cannot.
and that is total bullshct to do......you don't like someone...I get it....slug it out on the forum…..but to post personal info, and include family....that is the mark of a sniveling pussy...….bob
Those are my thoughts.
Unless somebody is being caustic or harmful I think an individual should maintain a certain level of bearing. Obviously some cannot.
and that is total bullshct to do......you don't like someone...I get it....slug it out on the forum…..but to post personal info, and include family....that is the mark of a sniveling pussy...….bob
Those are my thoughts.
Unless somebody is being caustic or harmful I think an individual should maintain a certain level of bearing. Obviously some cannot.
New here but is losing a Texas Lease a bad thing? Is it mean you have to actually have to go Hunting?
Texas has very little public land subsidized by the rest of the country. If you want to hunt, you mostly have to hunt on private land and the landowner dictates the rules. We hunt out of box blinds because that's what the landowner wants. Simple as that. At least we don't hunt from the roads on BLM or USFS, that's more sporty I guess?
The ever so obvious reason for hunting Texas lies in this very pathetic thread. By having access to private land TX, you don't have to put up with insecure, jealous trolls like the ones present here. It's a huge positive not having to deal with mindless, non producing dullards.
New here but is losing a Texas Lease a bad thing? Is it mean you have to actually have to go Hunting?
Texas has very little public land subsidized by the rest of the country. If you want to hunt, you mostly have to hunt on private land and the landowner dictates the rules. We hunt out of box blinds because that's what the landowner wants. Simple as that. At least we don't hunt from the roads on BLM or USFS, that's more sporty I guess?
The ever so obvious reason for hunting Texas lies in this very pathetic thread. By having access to private land TX, you don't have to put up with insecure, jealous trolls like the ones present here. It's a huge positive not having to deal with mindless, non producing dullards.
Cmon now. Kellory has a good point once a month or three.
Hanco,I have a question,it's been 56 pages and not one post of a sexy lady,is it ok if I were to post a picture of said sexy lady?
We are a respectable, non-discriminatory bunch here. Wimmins is always welcome to join the discussion. We are not too picky about how they are dressed either.
Field Grade is missing too, he always has some shooting related beauties to entertain us with while the discussion continues unabated.
Geno
PS, the soup was most excellent. I had corn chowder. The bowls were all gone, so we got big coffee mugs instead. Lots of dee-zerts too.
PPS. Hats off to the debating society...............we made 50 pages by my 'puter's count..................Huzzah!
No but we are literally not allowed to bring cameras into the shop or take pictures at all. Getting caught doing so is immediate grounds for dismissal.
Naw...he would open it using the atlatl he fashioned out of old sandwich baggies and rubbers he finds in the ditch.
Naw, the Gerber pocket tool I carry can handle that with ease. Though there are methods of opening a can without tools, I'm just not a fan due to the waste involved.
No but we are literally not allowed to bring cameras into the shop or take pictures at all. Getting caught doing so is immediate grounds for dismissal.
I'm taking my lunch in the computer room, I'm going to get Deflave this time.. Oh consuela don't phu ck it up this time.. ice tea 4 cubes of ice, 2 tablespoons of sugar. Sandwich mayonnaise on both sides, mustard with a happy face only on one side, tomato sliced ever so perfect with salt and pepper on it, I want two slices of ham with a piece of cotto salami between the ham, on sourdough and two slices of Colby jack cheese.
I have a serious question. If you have paid for your lease and gone through all the trouble of setting up feeders and blinds, buying corn, clearing shooting lanes, etc how can the landowner revoke your lease just before deer season opens? Isn’t the “lease” a binding contract with a beginning and ending date? It seems to me that if a guy wanted to he could lease his land all year, collect the payments, reap the benefits of everyone else’s hard work and then revoke the lease just prior to the opening of deer season. I’d think that a smart and bullet proof lease would be written in such a way as to guarantee that the lease included access to the property THROUGH deer season and failure to abide by the terms of the lease would be grounds for the cost of the lease to be fully refunded to the guy leasing the property, otherwise it sounds like a month to month contract that needs to be paid in full ahead of time. All the benefits going to the landowner while screwing the guy leasing it. If the property is sold and the “lease” voided then a full refund should be given. Same thing if the brother in law or father or crazy uncle suddenly decides they don’t want to lease it anymore it seems that the contract in place remains in force. I understand that outside of deer season a guy might have access to hunt hogs and varmits on his lease but that is mostly a benefit to the landowner and doesn’t negate his contractual obligation to allow access to the property for deer hunting if it is in fact a “deer lease”. My question does NOT apply to the renewal of a lease at or after its expiration and I understand that every lease can be stipulated differently but hearing so many guys say they lost their deer lease a week before the season opener just seems wrong. Thanks. 👍
Oh. Probably the explosive ones.... As I already said, reading comprehension is low on this site. I have never attempted large game with a slingshot. And it wouldn't be ethical to attempt it, since the chance of success would be extremely low. Post your results when you attempt it.
Maybe so but kingstons slingshot looks like a moose killin slingshot if ever there was one.
I have a serious question. If you have paid for your lease and gone through all the trouble of setting up feeders and blinds, buying corn, clearing shooting lanes, etc how can the landowner revoke your lease just before deer season opens? Isn’t the “lease” a binding contract with a beginning and ending date? It seems to me that if a guy wanted to he could lease his land all year, collect the payments, reap the benefits of everyone else’s hard work and then revoke the lease just prior to the opening of deer season. I’d think that a smart and bullet proof lease would be written in such a way as to guarantee that the lease included access to the property THROUGH deer season and failure to abide by the terms of the lease would be grounds for the cost of the lease to be fully refunded to the guy leasing the property, otherwise it sounds like a month to month contract that needs to be paid in full ahead of time. All the benefits going to the landowner while screwing the guy leasing it. If the property is sold and the “lease” voided then a full refund should be given. Same thing if the brother in law or father or crazy uncle suddenly decides they don’t want to lease it anymore it seems that the contract in place remains in force. I understand that outside of deer season a guy might have access to hunt hogs and varmits on his lease but that is mostly a benefit to the landowner and doesn’t negate his contractual obligation to allow access to the property for deer hunting if it is in fact a “deer lease”. My question does NOT apply to the renewal of a lease at or after its expiration and I understand that every lease can be stipulated differently but hearing so many guys say they lost their deer lease a week before the season opener just seems wrong. Thanks. 👍
You may be referring to my situation. My partners and I had to get everything off by October 26, IIRC. It wasn't dirty dealings or anything like that, the owner had been trying to sell the land for several years and we all knew it could happen but did not believe the land would sell considering the asking price at the time. It just worked out that the land sold and the new owners took possession about a week before the season began. The former land owner even refunded all our money for that leasing period. So, we didn't get screwed over, but it was a definite bummer.
On the other hand, there are unscrupulous guys out there who WILL screw over a lessee. The best way to avoid them is via networking.
I'm taking my lunch in the computer room, I'm going to get Deflave this time.. Oh consuela don't phu ck it up this time.. ice tea 4 cubes of ice, 2 tablespoons of sugar. Sandwich mayonnaise on both sides, mustard with a happy face only on one side, tomato sliced ever so perfect with salt and pepper on it, I want two slices of ham with a piece of cotto salami between the ham, on sourdough and two slices of Colby jack cheese.
Oh. Probably the explosive ones.... As I already said, reading comprehension is low on this site. I have never attempted large game with a slingshot. And it wouldn't be ethical to attempt it, since the chance of success would be extremely low. Post your results when you attempt it.
Maybe so but kingstons slingshot looks like a moose killin slingshot if ever there was one.
Maybe If you used the kind made to launch water balloons at great distances, you might get into the lethal force range for large game. Of course, that would be a crew serviced weapon, and more in common with a Punt-gun for ethical purposes. Make sure to post your results.
I could use another laugh to carry me into Sunday.
Dave
No, I didnt even own a camera, until they started adding them to cell phones. I think my first camera was on a flip phone, if you remember those. That hunt took place in my early 20's. And I'm in my 50's now.
Edit: besides, it was never meant to last long, or be preserved in any way. It was just the minimum needed to throw a pointy stick into the soft side of an animal. It was harder to make the arrows than the bow.
I'm taking my lunch in the computer room, I'm going to get Deflave this time.. Oh consuela don't phu ck it up this time.. ice tea 4 cubes of ice, 2 tablespoons of sugar. Sandwich mayonnaise on both sides, mustard with a happy face only on one side, tomato sliced ever so perfect with salt and pepper on it, I want two slices of ham with a piece of cotto salami between the ham, on sourdough and two slices of Colby jack cheese.
RiverRider, I wasn’t thinking of anyone specific it’s just something I’ve wondered about because I’ve heard many stories similar to yours except some of the landowners weren’t as honest as yours. Thanks for your explanation and good luck in your hunting endeavors no matter how you do it. 👍
RiverRider, I wasn’t thinking of anyone specific it’s just something I’ve wondered about because I’ve heard many stories similar to yours except some of the landowners weren’t as honest as yours. Thanks for your explanation and good luck in your hunting endeavors no matter how you do it. 👍
I closed on my land just prior to hunting season 2005. The owner was supposed to have given his hunters notice, in September, that the land was being sold and they would have to find another lease. He neglected to tell them until the week before closing. I told them I would happily testify in court on their behalf if need be. Guess it never came to that because I was never called. I felt bad for them. They were done wrong.
Still have lease in Burnet, got on one in Newton county, wasn’t many deer on that place, so I got off. My son in law is still on there. They have killed one legal buck( bucks required to have 13” inside) deer amoung 14 hunters in 3 yrs. Not too good. They get pics of bucks at night, very few during the day
Lost a little lease 30 years ago in Johnson City. Covered with deer and exotics, nice old house, and spring fed creek with a great swimming hole. Last time we drove out that way it was divided up and covered with big houses. I'll miss that place till my last breath.
I have 300,000 of public forest behind my house, plus a bunch of state game lands here in Central PA. I am very fortunate, and I use it all the time. Naturally I hunt it, but my lab wants to walk the trails everyday. That is really a mandate.
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